CVG accuse Nintendo of "corner cutting" with the WiiU.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/309834/features/wii-us-corner-cutting-could-keep-core-away/

I'd love to know what Sheep make of this article.

Completely agree

Nintendo is just trying to pull the wool over core gamers eyes with 3rd party ports of current gen games. And the amount of WiiU defenders here on gamespot really worries me. Their tricks won't work on me.

No way will I splash out on this console that is only a fraction more powerful that what i already own (360, PS3) to play games that I can already play (on 360 and PS3) with added dual screen gimmicks but at the expense of putting up with a crap controller and a no doubt sub-par online service. I wish the Nintendo fanboy would see the same sense I do.

This isn't exactly new as they did the same thing with Wii.

I mean, come on! Not even surround sound! Pro logic!? Psh

Wii U is just an even more gimmicky version of the Wii. I am passing on Wii U. I learned my lesson the first time when I bought the oirignal Wii.

Shouldn't we wait until the WiiU comes out before we declare that Ninty is cutting corners.Everything about the console is not final just yet.Some of the features like DVD/blu ray playback are useless for me anyway.

Not one thing I've heard about the WiiU has excited me at all. Only things that worry me that it could end up being horrible. I honestly don't even know what Nintendo is doing anymore.. Gaming is just going to ****

"That leads me to wonder how long it will take core gamers to ignore the handheld feature altogether, at the thought of having to play Arkham City on an SD screen."

Lol, wut is he talking about? Play on your HD TV. Derp.

I wouldn't call it a failure just yet, there's still time to add or change features. They'll probably have alot of Wii U stuff to show at the next E3.

I don't see it being as successful as the Wii though, the wii had motion controls to entice the casual crowd, I don't see the casual crowd buying the Wii U , if they already have a wii.

AlsoIF MS launches the next x-box in 2013 that will pretty much take alot of the Wii U 's sales away unless they have a Wii U price drop.

the article sounds like he has not even seen the system or held the controller... it is clearly written with a bias. article writer seems to know nothing more than what we know from just following the system online. He gives no real examples of cutting corners... everyone who has seen the controller screen seems to think it is clear, almost just as clear as the TV itself... and is he really calling the circle pads a 'cut-corner'?! please.. it is clearly a design choice and will work just fine... I actually like the circle pad

besides... you get tired of holding tablet or using the circle pads?? grab a CCpro bro.... problem solved!

^ and the above comments are just random bashing from people who know nothing about the Wii-U other than what they saw at E3

The way I see it, Nintendo is basically looking at what is trending right now and incorporates that into its next console. On the topic of the Wii U, has there been any confirmation on whether multiple tablets can be used yet?

"That leads me to wonder how long it will take core gamers to ignore the handheld feature altogether, at the thought of having to play Arkham City on an SD screen."

Lol, wut is he talking about? Play on your HD TV. Derp.

SaltyMeatballs

This isn't exactly new as they did the same thing with Wii.

I mean, come on! Not even surround sound! Pro logic!? Psh

Chutebox

We don't know that. It has HDMI therefor already has support for loseless 7.1.

I don't get all the hate. It was just announced and there's still a lot more to show off. If they really did produce more controllers, they wouldn't be that expensive. You can buy an Android tablet for 80 bucks. Thats how much a complete Wiimote with M+ cost before Wiimote+. Not to mention it's still cheaper than other secondary controllers (Such as move.) They said it's still not set in stone, and devs received kits that wern't final. For all that we know, Nintendo is holding out on us.

All consoles do that.

Greatest example: Xbox 360.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

"That leads me to wonder how long it will take core gamers to ignore the handheld feature altogether, at the thought of having to play Arkham City on an SD screen."

Lol, wut is he talking about? Play on your HD TV. Derp.

nintendoman562

I don't see the problem. Exclusives these days barely run at 720p. It's not an SD screen from the looks of it. Even my phone has a larger resolution than SD screens. Making a 720p screen that small would only kill the rechargable battery.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

This isn't exactly new as they did the same thing with Wii.

I mean, come on! Not even surround sound! Pro logic!? Psh

ChubbyGuy40

We don't know that. It has HDMI therefor already has support for loseless 7.1.

I don't get all the hate. It was just announced and there's still a lot more to show off. If they really did produce more controllers, they wouldn't be that expensive. You can buy an Android tablet for 80 bucks. Thats how much a complete Wiimote with M+ cost before Wiimote+. Not to mention it's still cheaper than other secondary controllers (Such as move.) They said it's still not set in stone, and devs received kits that wern't final. For all that we know, Nintendo is holding out on us.

The way I see it, Nintendo is basically looking at what is trending right now and incorporates that into its next console. On the topic of the Wii U, has there been any confirmation on whether multiple tablets can be used yet?

OneLazyAsian

No confirmation yet. Nintendo is as set in stone for multiple tablet controllers as CD Projekt RED was about having TW2 on consoles. (It's happening, its not happening, we don't know, we've tested it, ect.)

the article sounds like he has not even seen the system or held the controller... it is clearly written with a bias. article writer seems to know nothing more than what we know from just following the system online. He gives no real examples of cutting corners... everyone who has seen the controller screen seems to think it is clear, almost just as clear as the TV itself... and is he really calling the circle pads a 'cut-corner'?! please.. it is clearly a design choice and will work just fine... I actually like the circle pad

besides... you get tired of holding tablet or using the circle pads?? grab a CCpro bro.... problem solved!

^ and the above comments are just random bashing from people who know nothing about the Wii-U other than what they saw at E3

enzyme36

Thats all anyone knows, what a ridiculous thing to say. Unless Nintendo completely change the console and the direction they are heading in (which they won't) it'll be the same crap it is now when it releases next year.

Im sure the screen is clear, but put it side by side with an iphone 4 or the PSP Vita and it looks baaaad. Also yeah the circle pads are an idiotic choice. Their purpose is to replicate analogue sticks in confined spaces, so why Nintendo decided to use them on this huge slab of a controller baffles the mind.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

"That leads me to wonder how long it will take core gamers to ignore the handheld feature altogether, at the thought of having to play Arkham City on an SD screen."

Lol, wut is he talking about? Play on your HD TV. Derp.

nintendoman562

...on this console that is only a fraction more powerful that what i already own (360, PS3) to play games that I can already play (on 360 and PS3) with added dual screen gimmicks but at the expense of putting up with a crap controller and a no doubt sub-par online service.....RR360DD

can you possibly fit anymore uninformed assumptions in those few lines? it would be impressive if you could

Was talking bout Wii.Chutebox

Good point though. It's odd as even the GC had support for optical (It was there on the mobo, but support or connector was never included.) Quite sad really but it's not like they had any games where surround was necessary :D

"Absolutely," beams Nintendo. "As long as you're in the same room as the console itself."

This is understandable though. Wth did the writer expect? The controller simply can't output the power of the console, isn't the controler just supposed to receive the imagery from the console?

That said, I agree. There's a lot of ifs and buts at this point. I'll definitely take the wait and see approach. Then again, I did this this generation.

and all i was saying is that there is clearly a difference between the reports from people who have seen it hands on and those who are just reporting on it from online articles.... this journalists clearly falls in the later category....

no one knows all the systems details... so to say that they cut corners at this point is unfair

"Absolutely," beams Nintendo. "As long as you're in the same room as the console itself."

This is understandable though. Wth did the writer expect? The controller simply can't output the power of the console, isn't the controler just supposed to receive the imagery from the console?

That said, I agree. There's a lot of ifs and buts at this point. I'll definitely take the wait and see approach. Then again, I did this this generation.

StealthSting

Completely agree

Nintendo is just trying to pull the wool over core gamers eyes with 3rd party ports of current gen games. And the amount of WiiU defenders here on gamespot really worries me. Their tricks won't work on me.

No way will I splash out on this console that is only a fraction more powerful that what i already own (360, PS3) to play games that I can already play (on 360 and PS3) with added dual screen gimmicks but at the expense of putting up with a crap controller and a no doubt sub-par online service. I wish the Nintendo fanboy would see the same sense I do.

RR360DD

Wow! Nobody would agree with you dude because you bashing a console that isn't completely finished yet Can't people wait until we learn everything about the WiiU before bashing. I bet this articlewas created just to bashan unfinished console.

[QUOTE="StealthSting"]

"Absolutely," beams Nintendo. "As long as you're in the same room as the console itself."

This is understandable though. Wth did the writer expect? The controller simply can't output the power of the console, isn't the controler just supposed to receive the imagery from the console?

That said, I agree. There's a lot of ifs and buts at this point. I'll definitely take the wait and see approach. Then again, I did this this generation.

SaltyMeatballs

that's exactly the reason why they didn't include something like that. Connection between walls, ect would likely cause quality issues and lag. I still don't see why they wouldn't include 4 tablet controller support though. Use Bluetooth 3.0 and it has enough bandwidth for those simple streams. If they sent a 480p signal to each controller, it'd be less than rendering 1080p still. I'm guessing it's a latency issue or something to do with the connection.

and all i was saying is that there is clearly a difference between the reports from people who have seen it hands on and those who are just reporting on it from online articles.... this journalists clearly falls in the later category....

no one knows all the systems details... so to say that they cut corners at this point is unfair

enzyme36

Wait, so you can't play Wii-U on the crapper? Well that was hype short lived.Timstuff

So you going to believe an article about an unfinshed console.I would just wait until we see the final console design.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/309834/features/wii-us-corner-cutting-could-keep-core-away/

I'd love to know what Sheep make of this article.

BigBoss255

I agree and disagree with this article. I absolutely agree that us "core" gamers should be extremely sceptical of the Wii U. Personally, I don't see new "core" titles showing up on the Wii U. Instead, I imagine ports of older games that PS3/360 owers have already played predominantl showing up a year or so later. I can't see most developers taking too big a chance in fully supporting the Wii U because they've been burned by Nintendo consoles in the past.

I DISAGREE, however, with the idea that the SD screen is an issue. I don't think so. It's going to be fairly small and so I doubt anyone will have an issue. HD is awesome for larger screens where you have more ability to make out the tiny, small details. The smaller he screen, the less likely you are to notice the HD detail anyway. So this isn't an issue.

I disagree that the "nubs" are an automatic problem. They are analog and as long at the controller feels natural and comfortable when you use it, it makes ZERO difference how much the sticks actually stick out. To say that core gamers expect sticks instead of nubs is like saying core gamers will only accept controls that stick out 6-9 mm from the controller itself. That is literally the arguement he is making and I couldn't disagree more. What matters is how well it works, not how much they stick out.

I am 50/50 on his comments regarding 1 controller per console. My PS3 only came with 1 controller. The Wii only came with 1. And replacement controllers for those aren't cheap either. So while the Wii U controller will likely be expensive, there is a chance you won't need it anyway. Hell, we don't even know yet if Nintendo is going to ALLOW more than one Wii U controller to work with the console at a time anyway.

Also, I've always disliked split screen gaming. I rarely play mutliplayer, but when I DO, split screen is garbage...always has been. Sorry, but it's true. People simply accepted it in the past because it was the only way to play multiplayer. But now we have the internet and online. There is very little reason to force people to suffer through split screen any more. So I'm not sure why he would complain about having to buy a second controller for a friend to come over and play a shooter together. Split screen sucks. Co-op mode? Okay, maybe I guess. But why wouldn't you just play online co-op instead with your friends and then you don't need another controller anyway.

[QUOTE="BigBoss255"]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/309834/features/wii-us-corner-cutting-could-keep-core-away/

I'd love to know what Sheep make of this article.

ZIMdoom

I agree and disagree with this article. I absolutely agree that us "core" gamers should be extremely sceptical of the Wii U. Personally, I don't see new "core" titles showing up on the Wii U. Instead, I imagine ports of older games that PS3/360 owers have already played predominantl showing up a year or so later. I can't see most developers taking too big a chance in fully supporting the Wii U because they've been burned by Nintendo consoles in the past.

I DISAGREE, however, with the idea that the SD screen is an issue. I don't think so. It's going to be fairly small and so I doubt anyone will have an issue. HD is awesome for larger screens where you have more ability to make out the tiny, small details. The smaller he screen, the less likely you are to notice the HD detail anyway. So this isn't an issue.

I disagree that the "nubs" are an automatic problem. They are analog and as long at the controller feels natural and comfortable when you use it, it makes ZERO difference how much the sticks actually stick out. To say that core gamers expect sticks instead of nubs is like saying core gamers will only accept controls that stick out 6-9 mm from the controller itself. That is literally the arguement he is making and I couldn't disagree more. What matters is how well it works, not how much they stick out.

I am 50/50 on his comments regarding 1 controller per console. My PS3 only came with 1 controller. The Wii only came with 1. And replacement controllers for those aren't cheap either. So while the Wii U controller will likely be expensive, there is a chance you won't need it anyway. Hell, we don't even know yet if Nintendo is going to ALLOW more than one Wii U controller to work with the console at a time anyway.

Also, I've always disliked split screen gaming. I rarely play mutliplayer, but when I DO, split screen is garbage...always has been. Sorry, but it's true. People simply accepted it in the past because it was the only way to play multiplayer. But now we have the internet and online. There is very little reason to force people to suffer through split screen any more. So I'm not sure why he would complain about having to buy a second controller for a friend to come over and play a shooter together. Split screen sucks. Co-op mode? Okay, maybe I guess. But why wouldn't you just play online co-op instead with your friends and then you don't need another controller anyway.

blah! the Wii-U sucks... I cant bring the controller to my friends house to play?! it is only 1.6248 times more powerful than the current gen?! why get this when I can get a ps4 and and xbox 720 that will be 38.2789 times more powerful than this gen, and will also crap unicorns and beam rainbows!

I can make assumptions too... see how rediculous they sound

Completely agree

Nintendo is just trying to pull the wool over core gamers eyes with 3rd party ports of current gen games. And the amount of WiiU defenders here on gamespot really worries me. Their tricks won't work on me.

No way will I splash out on this console that is only a fraction more powerful that what i already own (360, PS3) to play games that I can already play (on 360 and PS3) with added dual screen gimmicks but at the expense of putting up with a crap controller and a no doubt sub-par online service. I wish the Nintendo fanboy would see the same sense I do.

RR360DD

does that mean we would have to play halo?

if so, no thank you :?

[QUOTE="enzyme36"]

and all i was saying is that there is clearly a difference between the reports from people who have seen it hands on and those who are just reporting on it from online articles.... this journalists clearly falls in the later category....

no one knows all the systems details... so to say that they cut corners at this point is unfair

RR360DD

Somebody would have to have full hands on experience with the finished console before they state their opinon. What we saw at E3 was just the beginning of what we are going to see in the future for the WiiU.A lot of things may change in the next year or so for the console.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Completely agree

Nintendo is just trying to pull the wool over core gamers eyes with 3rd party ports of current gen games. And the amount of WiiU defenders here on gamespot really worries me. Their tricks won't work on me.

No way will I splash out on this console that is only a fraction more powerful that what i already own (360, PS3) to play games that I can already play (on 360 and PS3) with added dual screen gimmicks but at the expense of putting up with a crap controller and a no doubt sub-par online service. I wish the Nintendo fanboy would see the same sense I do.

Half-Way

does that mean we would have to play halo?

if so, no thank you :?

Bro I don't know how you came to that conclusion. If you wanna stick with WiiSports, then whatever.

Why should i care about what this guy thinks? does he have any source to back up his claims...sorry, i mean, his opinions?

Because that's all i see, a bunch of opinions and assumptions and feelings.

I was chatting to someone bout this, I'll copy paste what I thinking at the moment:

Every game announced for it is also on 360/PS3.

Quote from Reggie (I think) about price: "This will not be cheap"

Quote from Miyamoto about power: "I don't know that we would be able to sit here and say that it's going to necessarily dramatically outperform the systems that are out now."

Online will have friend codes.

Hard drive will be small.

No Gamecube support.

No multimedia features of any kind.

Controller could easily go the way of the Wiimote and hurt more games then it helps. Add to that the one controller per console, SD screen, and the analogue nubs and it's just not a very impressive proposition right now.

Completely agree

Nintendo is just trying to pull the wool over core gamers eyes with 3rd party ports of current gen games. And the amount of WiiU defenders here on gamespot really worries me. Their tricks won't work on me.

No way will I splash out on this console that is only a fraction more powerful that what i already own (360, PS3) to play games that I can already play (on 360 and PS3) with added dual screen gimmicks but at the expense of putting up with a crap controller and a no doubt sub-par online service. I wish the Nintendo fanboy would see the same sense I do.

RR360DD

blah! the Wii-U sucks... I cant bring the controller to my friends house to play?! it is only 1.6248 times more powerful than the current gen?! why get this when I can get a ps4 and and xbox 720 that will be 38.2789 times more powerful than this gen, and will also crap unicorns and beam rainbows!

I can make assumptions too... see how rediculous they sound

enzyme36

Too bad you don't write in some fancy web site, if that were the case, some fanboys would take your word for granted :P

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Was talking bout Wii.ChubbyGuy40

Good point though. It's odd as even the GC had support for optical (It was there on the mobo, but support or connector was never included.) Quite sad really but it's not like they had any games where surround was necessary :D

Well I was excited at first and wanted one day one of release, but i'm starting to wonder if I should wait and see myself. Give it a bit of time after it's released. And see what people say. It'll still be there down the line if I think it's worth it. Should have done it with the Wii and now I need see if Nintendo really has changed.

Some of the doubt started to set in when I heard analog nubs tbh.

I just don't like the fact that the person with the pad has an obvious advantage to those who have Wiimotes.

blah! the Wii-U sucks... I cant bring the controller to my friends house to play?! it is only 1.6248 times more powerful than the current gen?! why get this when I can get a ps4 and and xbox 720 that will be 38.2789 times more powerful than this gen, and will also crap unicorns and beam rainbows!

I can make assumptions too... see how rediculous they sound

enzyme36

why wait for nintendo to confirm half of our biased assumptions? I would rather make crazy fanboy claims and leaps in logic, so i can look really stupid when its not true after all. ;)

im also worried. Ever since Iwata became president Nintendo has changed alot. for the worse imo.

the Wii-U didnt rock my world or anything at e3... but its just too early to call at this moment. bottom line is... if you want the next set of nintendo1st party games, you are going tohave to get a Wii-U. sorry if thats not 'hardcore' enuff for you.... MOUNTAIN DEEEWWWWW!!!

Only thing I'm worried about is only one Wii-U controller per console.

Wait... WiiU doesn't actually have real thumb sticks, but rather the DS type? Are you F'n serious? Day one not-buying.DevilMightCry

"The innovation's still there though in abundance of course; Nintendo can still pull off innovative feats its straight-faced rivals wouldn't even understand."

.... Which is why the damn thing will succeed.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/309834/features/wii-us-corner-cutting-could-keep-core-away/

I'd love to know what Sheep make of this article.

BigBoss255