DA2 OBVIOUSLY held back by the PC

DA2 is an excellent example of PC gaming holding back the industry. It is clear Bioware was going for something different this time, just watch some gameplay and you will know what I mean, they were clearly going for something different than the previous DA.

Seeing Bioware's aim and knowing their great developing skills and vast resources, if it wasn't for the PC, DA2 would a deep, fast paced hack and slash game with an above average story. But now just look at it.... for it to appeal to the PC crowd they are keeping half-assed RPG elements and in order for the game to be playable with mouse and keyboard they turned it into a mediocre, shallow and slow hack and slash title. Basically instead of being more like Ninja Gaiden or DMC its designed to have a shallow point and click gameplay to appeal to the PC crowd.

Yes, because clearly DA2 is an action game and not an RPG.

This is obvious of course because Bioware is a long time developer of action games likebayonetta, Diablo, and Ninja Gaiden. And who coud forget their best series ever: God of War.

I dont care or follow DA, although I have seen a vid or two of both, and that would be their first mistake. PC can do anything, so if they have a vision go for it and dont half ass it to appeal to half a crowd. I think most people who play PC would rather they keep it the same or change it completely.

Haha, a Dragon Age Devil May Cry clone is not what the world needs.

Sarcasm? Can't tell.

If not.. well it seems you are saying the PC kept the game as a RPG instead of hack n slash!

This is such obvious trolling that if any PC gamer does attack him for it that is sad.

Obvious troll attempt to get a rise out of people. Unfortunately it will work.

Silly internet.

This is all I have to contribute. Joke thread?

Haha, a Dragon Age Devil May Cry clone is not what the world needs.

Yangire

I think the TC isn't too familiar with Bioware or Western Hack & Slash titles all too well.

I think the TC isn't too familiar with Bioware or Western Hack & Slash titles all too well.

jasonharris48

Even if Bioware isn't the most skilled at hack and slash they would have still done something better than what they are doing now. They wasted resources and time creating mediocre RPG elements and kept the game's point and click system for attacking instead of a combo system. This was clearly done to appeal to the PC crowd, it wouldn't have happened if DA2 was a console exclusive.

and kept the game's point and click system for attacking instead of a combo system. This was clearly done to appeal to the PC crowd

alfredooo

Well weren't they trying to do that in the first place?

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

I think the TC isn't too familiar with Bioware or Western Hack & Slash titles all too well.

alfredooo

Even if Bioware isn't the most skilled at hack and slash they would have still done something better than what they are doing now. They wasted resources and time creating mediocre RPG elements and kept the game's point and click system for attacking instead of a combo system. This was clearly done to appeal to the PC crowd, it wouldn't have happened if DA2 was a console exclusive.

Oh,man this thread will be fun to read. XD

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

I think the TC isn't too familiar with Bioware or Western Hack & Slash titles all too well.

jasonharris48

Even if Bioware isn't the most skilled at hack and slash they would have still done something better than what they are doing now. They wasted resources and time creating mediocre RPG elements and kept the game's point and click system for attacking instead of a combo system. This was clearly done to appeal to the PC crowd, it wouldn't have happened if DA2 was a console exclusive.

Oh not this again, this is straight non sense.

Dragon Age Origins was way better on pc, much better tactical and slower paced combat. I dont want fast paced DMC combat in my rpgs sorry.

Even gamespot gave the pc version higher then xbox and ps3 for Dragon Age.

Saying that PC is holding back the Dragon Age series is kind of silly.

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Even if Bioware isn't the most skilled at hack and slash they would have still done something better than what they are doing now. They wasted resources and time creating mediocre RPG elements and kept the game's point and click system for attacking instead of a combo system. This was clearly done to appeal to the PC crowd, it wouldn't have happened if DA2 was a console exclusive.

alfredooo

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Even if Bioware isn't the most skilled at hack and slash they would have still done something better than what they are doing now. They wasted resources and time creating mediocre RPG elements and kept the game's point and click system for attacking instead of a combo system. This was clearly done to appeal to the PC crowd, it wouldn't have happened if DA2 was a console exclusive.

alfredooo

Dragon Age series is an rpg series, not an action or DMC type of game. I think you are looking in the wrong spot and genre for that type of game. The Hack and Slash action genre is that way >>>>

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Even if Bioware isn't the most skilled at hack and slash they would have still done something better than what they are doing now. They wasted resources and time creating mediocre RPG elements and kept the game's point and click system for attacking instead of a combo system. This was clearly done to appeal to the PC crowd, it wouldn't have happened if DA2 was a console exclusive.

alfredooo

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] It would of been a Action RPG with shallow RPG elements or a decent one like Jade Empire in that case. It wouldn't of been an Action game.

110million

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

DA2 is an excellent example of PC gaming holding back the industry. It is clear Bioware was going for something different this time, just watch some gameplay and you will know what I mean, they were clearly going for something different than the previous DA.

Seeing Bioware's aim and knowing their great developing skills and vast resources, if it wasn't for the PC, DA2 would a deep, fast paced hack and slash game with an above average story. But now just look at it.... for it to appeal to the PC crowd they are keeping half-assed RPG elements and in order for the game to be playable with mouse and keyboard they turned it into a mediocre, shallow and slow hack and slash title. Basically instead of being more like Ninja Gaiden or DMC its designed to have a shallow point and click gameplay to appeal to the PC crowd.

alfredooo

Both "Games For Windows" and Xbox 360 uses the same Microsoft Xinput APIs.

DA2 is closer to Bioware's Jade Empire.

TC, you hurt my brain.

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]It's already an Action RPG with shallow RPG elements.... except more like an Action RPG with shallow ACTION and RPG elements. As I said, the action was kept shallow to appeal to the PC crowd, keeping the point and click instead of a combo system and designing the game with M&KB in mind instead of a controller.

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="110million"] I don't believe you believe what you're saying, but anyways, can you name one really great action game made by a western developer? ronvalencia

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

Haha, a Dragon Age Devil May Cry clone is not what the world needs.

Yangire

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

110million

POV control can be mapped to mouse.

Direction control can be mapped tokeyboard.

Action controls(e.g. attack+block) canbe mapped to keyboard and mouse.

TC, teach me how to troll like you.

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Define this "deep action games".ronvalencia

[QUOTE="Yangire"]

Haha, a Dragon Age Devil May Cry clone is not what the world needs.

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="110million"] I don't believe you believe what you're saying, but anyways, can you name one really great action game made by a western developer? ronvalencia

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

Ninja Gaiden series, DMC series and more recently Bayonetta.

Gotta be a joke troll. This is just too bizarre otherwise.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden. 110million

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="110million"] Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, Ninja Gaiden. jasonharris48

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] What's "deep" about them?

ronvalencia

The fact that you can use a controller for the PC is irrelevant. Developers have the mouse and keyboard on mind when they make a PC game and that is what affects their final product.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] There is actualy depth in the combat systems compared to Western titles like God of War. Try button mashing on Master Ninja in Ninja Gaiden Black and see how far you'll get.

alfredooo

The fact that you can use a controller for the PC is irrelevant. Developers have the mouse and keyboard on mind when they make a PC game and that is what affects their final product.

Hahaha! I love this thread. Some PC Gamers say crap like this all the time, good to see it being used the other way around.

Hahaha! I love this thread. Some PC Gamers say crap like this all the time, good to see it being used the other way around.

Wii4Fun

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] PS2/PSP "big-E**" says Hi on God of War. The Windows PC has the option for Xbox 360 controller. Treat the PC like Adobe Professional (editor+ viewer) vs Xbox 360's Adobe Reader(viewer).. **Can't say the "E" word in system wars.ronvalencia

The fact that you can use a controller for the PC is irrelevant. Developers have the mouse and keyboard on mind when they make a PC game and that is what affects their final product.

As I said, the fact that they work is irrelevant. What matters is that it affects the development process; Bioware and almost anyone making a PC game will have the mouse and keyboard in mind and NOT the controller in order to appeal to the PC crowd who prefers the M&KB.

[QUOTE="Wii4Fun"]

Hahaha! I love this thread. Some PC Gamers say crap like this all the time, good to see it being used the other way around.

ronvalencia

That doesn't have anything to do with my post...

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] What's "deep" about them?

ronvalencia

yep holding it back from being a truely woeful hack and slash experience 8)

Our Dragon Age 2 review is in, and we've given it a score worthy of an Editor's Choice award, calling it "darkier, sexier, better." You can read the full review on February 16 when the latest issue of PC Gamer UK hits store shelves.

Satisfying, lightning-fast combat and spectacular spacial moves helped Dragon Age 2 to take the PC Gamer Editor's Choice award, but the game excelled in other areas, too. A conversation system that doesn't restrict you with an arbitrary morality meter and the huge, evolving city of Kirkwall help to fill Dragon Age 2 with "more character and vitality than any title in recent memory".

Link to Bioware forums.

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