DA2 OBVIOUSLY held back by the PC

DA2 is an excellent example of PC gaming holding back the industry. It is clear Bioware was going for something different this time, just watch some gameplay and you will know what I mean, they were clearly going for something different than the previous DA.

alfredooo

Oh please. Just stop with your assuming. You really think telling us to "watch the video" to see "what you mean" is going to magically convince us of your viewpoint? Try again, buddy.

yep holding it back from being a truely woeful hack and slash experience 8)

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

Our Dragon Age 2 review is in, and we've given it a score worthy of an Editor's Choice award, calling it "darkier, sexier, better." You can read the full review on February 16 when the latest issue of PC Gamer UK hits store shelves.

Satisfying, lightning-fast combat and spectacular spacial moves helped Dragon Age 2 to take the PC Gamer Editor's Choice award, but the game excelled in other areas, too. A conversation system that doesn't restrict you with an arbitrary morality meter and the huge, evolving city of Kirkwall help to fill Dragon Age 2 with "more character and vitality than any title in recent memory".

Link to Bioware forums.

N3xus9

Not surprising considering the PC has LOWER STANDARDS for third person hack and slash combat.

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yep holding it back from being a truely woeful hack and slash experience 8)

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

Our Dragon Age 2 review is in, and we've given it a score worthy of an Editor's Choice award, calling it "darkier, sexier, better." You can read the full review on February 16 when the latest issue of PC Gamer UK hits store shelves.

Satisfying, lightning-fast combat and spectacular spacial moves helped Dragon Age 2 to take the PC Gamer Editor's Choice award, but the game excelled in other areas, too. A conversation system that doesn't restrict you with an arbitrary morality meter and the huge, evolving city of Kirkwall help to fill Dragon Age 2 with "more character and vitality than any title in recent memory".

Link to Bioware forums.

alfredooo

Not surprising considering the PC has LOWER STANDARDS for third person hack and slash combat.

[QUOTE="N3xus9"]

yep holding it back from being a truely woeful hack and slash experience 8)

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

Our Dragon Age 2 review is in, and we've given it a score worthy of an Editor's Choice award, calling it "darkier, sexier, better." You can read the full review on February 16 when the latest issue of PC Gamer UK hits store shelves.

Satisfying, lightning-fast combat and spectacular spacial moves helped Dragon Age 2 to take the PC Gamer Editor's Choice award, but the game excelled in other areas, too. A conversation system that doesn't restrict you with an arbitrary morality meter and the huge, evolving city of Kirkwall help to fill Dragon Age 2 with "more character and vitality than any title in recent memory".

Link to Bioware forums.

alfredooo

Not surprising considering the PC has LOWER STANDARDS for third person hack and slash combat.

lol awww that's a pity and you started off so strong ... and now look!

because tc cant handle anything that requires him to plan and make decisions beyond button mashing

because tc cant handle anything that requires him to plan and make decisions beyond button mashing

tutt3r

because tc cant handle anything that requires him to plan and make decisions beyond button mashing

tutt3r

that makes no sense.... in fact, its the opposite. I enjoy games that aren't pure button mashing. That is why this thread exists.

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because tc cant handle anything that requires him to plan and make decisions beyond button mashing

alfredooo

that makes no sense.... in fact, its the opposite. I enjoy games that aren't pure button mashing. That is why this thread exists.

okay bro, i wasnt the one wishing a rpg was instead a hack n slash

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[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

because tc cant handle anything that requires him to plan and make decisions beyond button mashing

tutt3r

that makes no sense.... in fact, its the opposite. I enjoy games that aren't pure button mashing. That is why this thread exists.

okay bro, i wasnt the one wishing a rpg was instead a hack n slash

no bro, I never wished that. You completely missed my point. I like RPGs and I like hack and slash.

Its also funny that you think hack and slash = shallow, shows you have no knowledge of the genre.

Basically instead of being more like Ninja Gaiden or DMC its designed to have a shallow point and click gameplay to appeal to the PC crowd.

alfredooo

And DMC has its faults, such as puzzles and platforming ruining the pace of what could have been a better game.

Capcom must have been on drugs when they thought making Dante and Nero jump around like Mario in Donkey Kong added to the game.:lol:

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="jasonharris48"] There is actualy depth in the combat systems compared to Western titles like God of War. Try button mashing on Master Ninja in Ninja Gaiden Black and see how far you'll get.

jasonharris48

You haven't defined why keyboard+mouse controls can't be mapped to a Xbox 360 controller and why keyboard+mouse can't have multi-level actions..

Example of a gaming keyboard

My Microsoft Habu mouse has 5 buttons e.g. left, right, middle/scroll, custom 1, custom 2. A PC keyboard has at least 101 keys.

Windows gaming mouse and keyboards can be programmed withmacro input sequencei.e. 1 button that triggers a sequence of inputs. I bet console owners wouldn't like thatnear "cheating"tricks when played against a PC player.

PS; I have wrote DirectInput-to-Xinput API bridge in C++.

Looks like someone decided to make a troll thread because he's angry DA2 will be better played on PC. aww poor baby.Jankarcop

first post ever? wow someone got so butthurt from the truth I revealed they decided to make an account just so they can post this^

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]Looks like someone decided to make a troll thread because he's angry DA2 will be better played on PC. aww poor baby.alfredooo

first post ever? wow someone got so butthurt from the truth I revealed they decided to make an account just so they can post this^

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]Looks like someone decided to make a troll thread because he's angry DA2 will be better played on PC. aww poor baby.Jankarcop

first post ever? wow someone got so butthurt from the truth I revealed they decided to make an account just so they can post this^

its okay.... right now I'm imagining a PC fanboy going throught the whole process of creating an account because they were mad at the ABSOLUTE TRUTH I releaved. Anyways, stop trolling my topic please kthxbai.

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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] PS2/PSP "big-E**" says Hi on God of War. The Windows PC has the option for Xbox 360 controller. Treat the PC like Adobe Professional (editor+ viewer) vs Xbox 360's Adobe Reader(viewer).. **Can't say the "E" word in system wars.ronvalencia

You haven't defined why keyboard+mouse controls can't be mapped to a Xbox 360 controller and why keyboard+mouse can't have multi-level actions..

Example of a gaming keyboard

My Microsoft Habu mouse has 5 buttons e.g. left, right, middle/scroll, custom 1, custom 2. APC keyboard has at least 101 keys.

PS; I have wrote DirectInput-to-Xinput API bridge in C++.

did you confuse his account with mine? why does he need to explain why keyboard+mouse can't have multi-level actions?

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]

first post ever? wow someone got so butthurt from the truth I revealed they decided to make an account just so they can post this^

its okay.... right now I'm imagining a PC fanboy going throught the whole process of creating an account because they were mad at the ABSOLUTE TRUTH I releaved. Anyways, stop trolling my topic please kthxbai.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"] you're gonna have to try harder than that to bait me, sonny boy :)ronvalencia

its okay.... right now I'm imagining a PC fanboy going throught the whole process of creating an account because they were mad at the ABSOLUTE TRUTH I releaved. Anyways, stop trolling my topic please kthxbai.

Have you ever used a controller? I'm pretty sure even the PC DMC4 review here on gamespt touches on the fact that you need a controller to play.

DA2 is an excellent example of PC gaming holding back the industry. It is clear Bioware was going for something different this time, just watch some gameplay and you will know what I mean, they were clearly going for something different than the previous DA.

Seeing Bioware's aim and knowing their great developing skills and vast resources, if it wasn't for the PC, DA2 would a deep, fast paced hack and slash game with an above average story. But now just look at it.... for it to appeal to the PC crowd they are keeping half-assed RPG elements and in order for the game to be playable with mouse and keyboard they turned it into a mediocre, shallow and slow hack and slash title. Basically instead of being more like Ninja Gaiden or DMC its designed to have a shallow point and click gameplay to appeal to the PC crowd.

alfredooo

huge troll, what a silly silly child.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]

its okay.... right now I'm imagining a PC fanboy going throught the whole process of creating an account because they were mad at the ABSOLUTE TRUTH I releaved. Anyways, stop trolling my topic please kthxbai.

alfredooo

Have you ever used a controller? I'm pretty sure even the PC DMC4 review here on gamespt touches on the fact that you need a controller to play.

For proper testing, have you programmed Xinput API without an Xbox 360 controller?

I have an Xbox 360 controller. I treat Microsoft Xbox 360 controller the same asany of my Microsoft designed input devices e.g. Microsoft Natural Keyboard and Microsoft HabuMouse.

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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] What truth? A mouse can control player's POV and forward/backward motion. A keyboard with 101 keys can directly access the required action. PS I can touch type.ronvalencia

Have you ever used a controller? I'm pretty sure even the PC DMC4 review here on gamespt touches on the fact that you need a controller to play.

For proper testing, have you programmed Xinput API without an Xbox 360 controller?

I have an Xbox 360 controller. I treat Microsoft Xbox 360 controller as with any Microsoft designed input device e.g. Microsoft Keyboard and Microsoft Mouse.

you are going in circles. I already told you the fact that you can plug in a controller is irrelevant, go back a few pages/posts.

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

Have you ever used a controller? I'm pretty sure even the PC DMC4 review here on gamespt touches on the fact that you need a controller to play.

alfredooo

For proper testing, have you programmed Xinput API without an Xbox 360 controller?

I have an Xbox 360 controller. I treat Microsoft Xbox 360 controller as with any Microsoft designed input device e.g. Microsoft Keyboard and Microsoft Mouse.

you are going in circles. I already told you the fact that you can plug in a controller is irrelevant, go back a few pages/posts.

As I told you, the Xbox 360 controller is relevant. You can see Xbox 360 controller logo support on most PC action game boxes and Valve's Steam i.e. mostly from XBox 360 ports.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee417691(v=vs.85).aspx#5

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if anything, its the consoles that are holding back the pc version.

if anything, its the consoles that are holding back the pc version.

hotsoup26

Well, luckly for the TC (and, in turn, every gamer) PC gaming is dying...and with the PC dead, consoles will FLOURISH!

I agree with TC.

Well, luckly for the TC (and, in turn, every gamer) PC gaming is dying...and with the PC dead, consoles will FLOURISH!

willx10121013

i'm selling my PC because of this thread; obviously it is ruining gaming.

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

alfredooo

Without consoles DA2 would have amazing strategic combat instead of simplistic hack and slash one. DA2 was obviously held back by consoles.

I honestly think both are true. It was held back by both. Consoles made them dumb down the strategy element, while PC made them dumb down the hack and slash elemetnts. Because of that DA2 will likely be neither a good PC styled RPG nor console styled RPG

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

alfredooo

define "deep action games"

most of them are trash

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

Dead-Memories

define "deep action games"

most of them are trash

lol imagine da as a dmc clone, the horror. Are you blaming pc for for trying to preserve that bit of strategy and complexity the original had?

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

Dead-Memories

define "deep action games"

most of them are trash

lol imagine da as a dmc clone, the horror. Are you blaming pc for for trying to preserve that bit of strategy and complexity the original had?

edidili

i suggest go out buy DMC play on Dante must die and come back with the whole strategy bag.

just saying.

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[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

Jankarcop

define "deep action games"

most of them are trash

PC keyboard has at least 101 keys.

Using MS's GetAsyncKeyState() API, the programmer should able to detect multiple(e.g. 6) keys at a time. There's a problem with some PC keyboards not supporting more than 2 concurrent key presses.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

lol imagine da as a dmc clone, the horror. Are you blaming pc for for trying to preserve that bit of strategy and complexity the original had?

razgriz_101

i suggest go out buy DMC play on Dante must die and come back with the whole strategy bag.

just saying.

I did already. These games are different. One relies on your reflexes and the other is about the strategy. If I want to play dmc I play dmc, bayonetta, gow. If I want to play a game where I want to control a team of four, pause in the middle of the fight queueing spells and potions depending on the situation I play DA. Totally different gameplays. Both Dmc and DA are great games for what they are but making one a clone of the other is just stupid. Is like making DMC a turn based game.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

Dead-Memories

define "deep action games"

most of them are trash

We already went through this.... Ninja Gaiden series, DMC series and more recently Bayonetta. You have probably never played any of those if you don't know what a deep action game is.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

That actually proves my point.... Japanese developers tend to focus on PC gaming WAY less than western ones. It also just so happens that Japan is the one coming up with all the deep action games. Coincidence? I think not. DA2 is an excellent example but this is happening across most Western developers. PC gaming is CLEARLY holding back the industry.

Jankarcop

define "deep action games"

most of them are trash

lolololololol obvious troll. I would love to see you try that, you would probably rage quit considering you already seem to have a bad temper.

almost hooked me there kiddo :wink: , almost..Jankarcop

what are you talking about, bro? You made an account simply because you were mad at my topic.... if that doesn't mean I "hooked" you then I don't know what does.

oh and this is you btw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO7NILnmURU

Warning: strong language

how cute, he won't give up :) Is someone getting angry? :wink:Jankarcop

thats funny.:lol:

Anyways, I added you as a friend a few hours ago, you haven't added me back. What is this? Are you not coming back to the site? Is this a one night stand for you?:(

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]how cute, he won't give up :) Is someone getting angry? :wink:alfredooo

thats funny.:lol:

Anyways, I added you as a friend a few hours ago, you haven't added me back. What is this? Are you not coming back to the site? Is this a one night stand for you?:(