Dark Souls 2 will absolutely destroy Witcher 3 in quality

So much agreement from me on that. The games are great, but the more ardent fanboys of the series idiotically think they have some skills that anyone criticizing anything about the series doesn't have. Fact is, these games require no more skill than any other game out there, they just demand extreme patience in the form of trial and error.

One things for certain is that Souls is the cheaper and easier game to make.

Please provide an example of this emergent gameplay you speak of.

Both will be awesome and i will get both:P

I don't think the first line in your post is a point in favour of the witcher in any shape or form. and not entirely true, the witcher has much higher production values granted. and narrative... neither of which is hardwork from the gameplay standpoint in which the witcher is a very simple game with very little custimization (so far anyway) ... whereas the dark souls games had far more custimization and factors into balance (which sadly was poorly done, better luck with dark souls 2 hopefully) and making meaningful player interactions is something not considered. I would argue Dragon: Age Inquisition is a MUCH bigger project than the Witcher and will offer so much more again, does that make it automatically the better game?

Geralt has a measley handful of powers.... even now they say its only double in TWIII ..... DA:A will have what 8-10 characters and many different class branches.... and its hard to make a 1-character rpg as complex as a 4 group RPG.

"Emergent" gameplay might of been a stretch. but the fact that in DSII your forced into the PvP element adds a layer you can't get in standard RPGs. and the heavier faction intergration this time around.

apples to oranges.

easy for witcher fans to ignore the "real" competition.... DA:A. and pinpoint on Dark Souls .... a PvE/PvP hybrid game with a very different focus... that happens to also be an rpg.

its like comparing the witcher to path of exile? the people playing PoE don't give a damn about your 1000s of lines of "boring pointless storytelling" ... to them... PoE is a miles better "RPG" because it actually focuses 100% on gameplay and custimization and manages to make it endless with player interaction.

so again, this topic is borderline pointless.

Nah. The Witcher 3 is my most anticipated game right now. They are also very different games.

Witcher is all about playing Geralt. Cant fault it for not having more customization.

To me, liking Dark Souls over The Witcher because of combat is like enjoying Gears more than GTA because of the shooting mechanics.

Dragon Age and Witcher differ just as much as Souls and Witcher. The thread is about Souls VS Witcher anyways.

More powers isnt always better. I would take Unreals 10 or so guns over all of Borderlands guns for example.

Like all point and click games, Path of Exile has no immersion and the combat is awful, at least in the first 10 minutes which is where I stopped playing. Maybe I should give it another chance.

ALL I know is I wouldn't want to be the poor sap caught playing these on consoles.

Apples and oranges.

As said before the two are better at different things.
Dark Souls2 will have better combat,boss fights,level design,atmosphere. Where The Witcher 3 will have better graphics,better story telling,more meaningful choices,better open world and overall a better rpg.
I am personally stoked for both of them. One is gonna be out in a month. So you guys will get to know stuff really soon :)

@Thunder7151: Listen dude....

The Witcher series and Dark Souls series are both insane.

But I don’t think you can say that The Witcher has bad quality because it has a different control or gameplay mechanic.

I can even say that The Witcher series has more focus on the character of the game than in Dark Souls but is that what DS wanted to achieve ? NO!

Both are aiming for different things.

Dark Souls II will be insane.

But The Witcher 3 is created by CD Projekt Red and they shouldn’t be underestimated.

They are probably one of the best Developers alongside Bethesda in the RPG genre.

Dark Souls 2 versus Witcher 3

• Better Gameplay = Dark Souls 2
• Better Atmosphere = Dark Souls 2
• Better Graphics = Debatable
• Better Story = Debatable
• Choice of Character Classes = Dark Souls 2
• Better Replay Value = Dark Souls 2

DARK SOULS 2 WINS BY A LANDSLIDE!!!!

agreed both will be amazing on PC

Most of these are opinions, and the graphics one is factually wrong. (TW2 looks far superior). I find TW2's gameplay, atmosphere, story, story teling, and characters considerably superior.

The only point you have is choice of character class and replay value, which isn't always a PRO depending on game's style and objective.

Gameplay - Debatable.
Atmosphere - Debatable
Graphics - Witcher 3... you tool.
story - debatable but very likely to be the witcher... unless we are pretending the souls games have good stories now ... sigh.
choice - .... yes cherry pick intentional game design differences that are purely subjective to the game's differences.
replay value - subjective again.

OP is stating the obvious. Graphics whores and people looking for big spectacle and things that make them go "oo" and "ah" will of course eat up Witcher 3 (basically 99% of the gaming press and casual gamers).

Gaming enthusiasts will have a greater appreciation for the deep, intricate, and methodical nature that can only be found in Dark Souls II.

Comparing Witcher to Dark Souls is like comparing fast food to expensive high class dining.

Also this. A much better comparison would be Witcher 3 and DA: Inquisition seeing as both of those games appeal more to people looking for instant gratification.

Dark Souls II is doing something else entirely. Something incredibly rare in this day and age, which makes it far more special imo.

Dark Souls 2 is the only game I'm looking forward to this year. It'll probably be the best rpg of this gen.

I will be getting both, but TW3 will more than likely be the better game in all areas except combat. Story, graphics, world design, characters, etc all go to TW3 more than likely. It's going to be funny when DS2 comes out and they have done what they said, appeal to a wider audience....which will really lower the appeal of the game to the douchers who only praise it because it is difficult. See above.

If TW3 is anything like TW2 gameplay and replay value aren't debateable. DS2 would crush TW3 harder than an industrial hammer thrown on a chunk of chalk.

Rest I agree with.

well, look at it from my perspective, couldn't care less about building new character stats.... even for PvP ... waste of my time.

Me too. That's the one I'll be getting anyways. Dark Souls 2 can wait. I still haven't beaten the first game. I wonder if they will have a collectors edition as well?

You've played Dark Souls 2 already. I thought developers were still finishing it.

lol, how are the graphics debatable? Witcher 3 is a next gen game with PC being the lead platform. Dark Souls II is a last gen game being ported to PC. Witcher 3 wins that one by default. And the character class thing is totally irrelevant.

This game had me at "Hello"

All I'll say is Dark Souls 2 is just more Dark Souls, while The Witcher 3 is promising to literally redefine RPGs. Whether that will be the case remains to be seen (we've all heard it before), but looking at TW3, there's just a lot more to get hyped for.

If what they say is true then TW3 is suppose to be 30 times the size of TW2 and the combat is suppose ot be more tactical. If you ask me, that is why the Souls games' combat has more strategy. It sounds like that is the route that they are going in TW3's combat plus inspiration from the Arkham games.

@jhcho2: The Witcher offers next to nothing in terms of customization? Um besides equipment and weapons it had three separate skill trees you could pick and choose from. Talk about a fail post. Both games are in my top 10 of games of last gen but an open world Witcher 3 is my most anticpated game of 2014 with ease

LMAO!

Witcher 3 is gonna bend DS2 over like a cheap hooker. You shouldn't compare games that aren't even in the same league.

Well said.

What? Who said this, or are you just talking out of your ass?

Maybe you played it on console, I played it on pc and the kb/m worked great for the game.

I can see why it would be clunky using a controller, with the clumsy inventory/menu system.

Found the combat ok, but blocking seemed to be useless when you can just dodge everywhere for no damage. But its a pretty flawed combat system, hated the auto lock on to 1 enemy.

Basically. It sounds like Op sucks at RPGs. Dark Souls battle system is much more simple than that in the Witcher games.

Yet, Dark Souls combat system is considered far far better than Witcher's combat system. So the combat complexity is not helping the Witcher games, that's for sure. The Souls games' combat have less buttons to deal with, yet are much more intuitive, deeper, and more rewarding that Witcher's complex tedious annoying combat.

They have less buttons but they are deeper? That doesn't even make sense. Dark Souls is trial and error with a sword and shield. Oh the depth. There is also no general consensus on which game has better combat.

Yes, Souls games combat is deeper as in - timing matters much more and how you handle groups of enemies has to be strategized more than Witcher games. Even weapon speed and such matters more in Souls games. Having a bunch of tedious buttons (like Witcher does) doesn't equal deeper gameplay. The Souls games are well known for having the BEST combat yet seen in Action RPGs and that is well known.

Really, Witcher games just do not compare. Maybe the new Witcher technically has more advanced graphics but that's about it. However, I myself, and I am sure many others, prefer the graphics and art style of Dark Souls 2 much more than Witcher 3. Therefore, Dark Souls wins in ALL categories.

So, you are basing your judgement of one of the games with the deepest lore, story and characters, based on 30 minutes of gameplay? Riiight...

It is called clunky, and you just revealed that you never playied a Witcher game, grats your oppinion is worthless, why?

The witcher very much rely on swing speeds of weapons and tradeoff which you can not in any way miss in a Witcher game.

In a witcher game you will get absolutely KILLED if you do not prepare, just walking into a mob of enemies will get you very dead, very fast. If you have not read about monsters you will not even get teh benefits of fighting them.

Again you have never playied mosnter hunter, otherwise you would not claim th souls games to have the best of anything.

And your personal oppinion holds no value for how Things objectively is.

Yup so far it sounds like you have'nt got a clue between an ARPG and an RPG, and you clearly demonstrated that you only ever playied one of the above.

Dark Souls 2

1. Better combat mechanic. No explanation needed. TW3 is not even in the same league

2. Better enemy AI. Souls series has the best boss and most variety bosses

3. More balanced difficulty. It looks challenging, but so many ways you can beat the game, tactical sword/shield, ranged, rushing/not fighting enemies, dual swords, level 1 character, etc, etc

4. Better atmosphere.

5. Better art direction. No one does dark fantasy art better than the Souls team

6. Better Level Design. More variety envrionments, shortcuts from one area to another

The Witcher 3

1. Better (Technical) graphic: framerate, texture, resolution. This is primarily because it is made for next gen machines

IN CONCLUSION: DARK SOULS 2 BY LANDSLIDE, NOT EVEN CLOSE

So,in a nutshell: you played both?

And I lol'd at the bold part

They're different kinds of RPGs and do not forget that Dark Souls shall use the mechanics of it's predecessor.

Dark Souls 2 is not really doing anything new to its mechanics. A lot of the things that make Souls games hard could be regulated with different difficulty levels. Take away high damaging enemies and it gives people the opportunity to make more mistakes. Another big thing is the time in between swings. TW3 is actually going for something like that too, but you will not be stuck in an animation.

Dark Souls will have more enemies but I believe that the witcher 3 will allow you to interact with its enemies and world in more ways.