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I won the whole game by poisoning the bosses, you cant do that in Dark Souls
loosingENDS
[QUOTE="fueled-system"]
Maybe if you said Diablo 3 I would agree but Dark Souls actually DOES take skill
Not hard to avoid curses at all, if you get cursed 9/10 it is YOUR fault
GD1551
I'm sure you know those things cursed you the first time you fought them.
Which is why I said 9/10- You cant interrupt enemies attack.Second_Hokage
Translation: I have sh*t for brains and can't work out how to dodge.
Oh and it's easy to make enemies flinch, if you played the game that is.
Yeah the game will put insanely crappy situations and crappy ass mechanics just to piss you off.
The only game i could think that trolled you more is scarfare, you go towards a back alley the game throws 5 guys with chainsaws and a cutscene so you lose control. Then tell you to survive. Hell you could buy the best car in the world that cots 5 millions but the police cars and gang cars will still teleport down from enteprise and can outrun you in speed despite being a pile of crap and you having the best car in the world
PROBLEM PLAYER? PROBLEM
Why people even play those trollish games is beyond me, it seems to me as if the developers were troll and made them just to piss off people, there are games that are HARD and VERY HARD, but they take skill, they dont trolol you with treasue chests with traps in them.
dakan45
There is a visual difference between normal chest and mimic chests...
- Removing curse is extremely easy. If you got cursed, you underestimated an enemy that you thought wouldn't harm you. Your fault.
- The combat is exactly like Demon's Souls.
- Ledge.
- VALLEY OF DEFILEMENT.
Yeah the game will put insanely crappy situations and crappy ass mechanics just to piss you off.
The only game i could think that trolled you more is scarfare, you go towards a back alley the game throws 5 guys with chainsaws and a cutscene so you lose control. Then tell you to survive. Hell you could buy the best car in the world that cots 5 millions but the police cars and gang cars will still teleport down from enteprise and can outrun you in speed despite being a pile of crap and you having the best car in the world
PROBLEM PLAYER? PROBLEM
Why people even play those trollish games is beyond me, it seems to me as if the developers were troll and made them just to piss off people, there are games that are HARD and VERY HARD, but they take skill, they dont trolol you with treasue chests with traps in them.
dakan45
You can see a difference between regular chests and mimics.
Regular chests have a chain attached to them, mimics don't.
And what's so difficult about attacking a chest before trying anything? short memory spam or something?
It did not test your ability to block and attack, or how to roll, or when to use a flask. I learned to master that in the first hour. So it was not hard based on skill, but hard because of the stupid things programmed in it with the sole purpose to annoy and piss you off instead of challenging you. In other words, its not hard its cheap. Demons souls did not have any cheap moment, everything was always skill based, especially the awesome fights against the sword wielding bosses. Dark Soul cheapness - Getting cursed the first time around, and curses stacking. - You cant interrupt enemies attack. - First time Capra demon (game breaker for most ppl) - Toxic in blightown What else pissed you off?Second_Hokage
It was harder than Demon's Souls. LOL @ Capra Demon being a game breaker(Seriously WTF). There was some cheapness but once you learned the ins and outs of the game it's not very hard. I thought I would never beat it and now I'm on NG++.
I agree
my unwiped ass>dumb souls
shreshto
People like this should never play it as they will get owned over and over and can't learn to strategize having an IQ sub 70, thus they trash the game online. What a dumb fuhq...
Bingo. Capra was frustrating at first, until I took out the dogs first and focused on him. He's a joke then. Curse sucked, so I made sure I didn't get cursed a second time. Darts you can block or move or get behind something then find them and kill them. So ya. The hardest parts of the game, not cheap, but hard, were the two dudes (fat guy and knight) and 4 kings. Killer hard.AKA: i'm not good at a game so i'm going to complain about it.
Chris_Williams
you're not supposed to go there yet :P there are some stairs near the bonfire that lead to that bridge you see in the distance.I tried it and didnt like it. Im not gonna lie, i got owned outside of the staring area by a bunch of skeltons. I just got it, its not the game for me.Probably isn't bad, I can't judge becase I dont understand it at all.
Bardock47
Dark Souls isn't the only game with fake chests, Final Fantasy IV for example.bobcheeseballevery RPG worth its name has boobytrapped chests. in the case of medieval fantasy, it's usually in the form of an OP mimic boss. after your first death in dark souls for one, you'll remember to attack every chest before opening them :P
No it's pretty hard, but so god damn rewarding. Demon Souls had better balance, sure, but Dark Souls was still awesome. The raw combat surprisingly works excellently and it's one of the few games to incorporate stats that actually affect sh*t. It requires a little bit of critical thinking skills (something you probably lack), this sin't your sh*tty God of War/Bayonetta/DMC Hack n' Slash, the combat requires strategy and depth.
Games that don't punish you for beinga n idiot are cheap. The ones that reward you for it are even worse (looking at you CoD)
Also, anybody else just love leveling up in Dark Souls? Working so hard, grinding to death to add one precious point into your stats. So rewarding wehen you find out you have enough.
I myself have never dwelled into the magic in that game. Just OP'd myself in the beginning (just grind a bunch in the beginning where the dragon kills the respawning Hollows. Because of this I had an edge during most combat, yet it was still difficult. You really have to be completely dedicated to that game to truly OP yourself. I really don't want to meet those people that are level 700+. 0.o
[QUOTE="Bardock47"]you're not supposed to go there yet :P there are some stairs near the bonfire that lead to that bridge you see in the distance. Ya, that actually leads to an area nearish the end haha.I tried it and didnt like it. Im not gonna lie, i got owned outside of the staring area by a bunch of skeltons. I just got it, its not the game for me.Probably isn't bad, I can't judge becase I dont understand it at all.
BrunoBRS
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Bardock47"]you're not supposed to go there yet :P there are some stairs near the bonfire that lead to that bridge you see in the distance. Ya, that actually leads to an area nearish the end haha. lulz I remember falling for that sh*t. After killing that guy who told me ring the church bells I traveled down to that area by accident and kept thinking "THIS IS THE GOD DAMN BEGINNING IT ISN'T SUPPOSE TO BE THIS HARD!!! D;"I tried it and didnt like it. Im not gonna lie, i got owned outside of the staring area by a bunch of skeltons. I just got it, its not the game for me.Probably isn't bad, I can't judge becase I dont understand it at all.
Chutebox
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Bardock47"]you're not supposed to go there yet :P there are some stairs near the bonfire that lead to that bridge you see in the distance. Ya, that actually leads to an area nearish the end haha. not necessarily near the end, since i went there to grab the rite of kindling (which i barely use) before i went to sen's fortress.I tried it and didnt like it. Im not gonna lie, i got owned outside of the staring area by a bunch of skeltons. I just got it, its not the game for me.Probably isn't bad, I can't judge becase I dont understand it at all.
Chutebox
-Am I the only one who has never been cursed by those frogs? Not hard to stay out of the clouds they shoot.
-How can't you interrupt attacks?
-Run up the stairs as soon as you start the Capra demon fight.
-Blighttown was a little rough until you found where the bonfires are at then you could run past everything (especially if you come in the back way).
Not trying to be a wise ass or anything...just sounds like you played a different game then I did.
i remember i summoned some high ranking dude with all this fked up armour, he killed ornstein and the other guy all by himself while i was just sitting in the corner watching haha, still i think DemonSouls was much better.
[QUOTE="fueled-system"]
Maybe if you said Diablo 3 I would agree but Dark Souls actually DOES take skill
Not hard to avoid curses at all, if you get cursed 9/10 it is YOUR fault
GD1551
I'm sure you know those things cursed you the first time you fought them.
The moment I saw the curse symbol and a bar filling up the first time I knew something was wrong, and I got the hell out of there lol. It really is pretty hard to get cursed unless you're doing it on purpose.There were some cheap parts. I remember the part where you need to run up a stone beam in that large city (of which I forget the name) and there's two archers with those heavy bows shooting at you. You can sprint up to the pillar and use it for cover, but then you need to run up the rest of the beam and you're closer to them which means you're more likely to get hit. Then you need to reach them and kill them one at a time whilst the other is still shooting at you.
As long as you don't block the arrows (blocking will push you off) you'll be fine. I think I've only died twice there, once on my first playthrough and another one when I was distracted in my 8th playthrough.There were some cheap parts. I remember the part where you need to run up a stone beam in that large city (of which I forget the name) and there's two archers with those heavy bows shooting at you. You can sprint up to the pillar and use it for cover, but then you need to run up the rest of the beam and you're closer to them which means you're more likely to get hit. Then you need to reach them and kill them one at a time whilst the other is still shooting at you.
-Unreal-
One thing I love about it is that its like Metroid in level design, sort of. You can go probably near 80% of anywhere in the game world from any path, but some paths are WAY harder then others. Instead of locking you from those paths, they make them much harder so you know you don't go that way, and if you do you can get stuck or end up getting rewarded quite a bit for your risk. One example is when I completely missed the Capra Demon my first time to the second bell. I didn't even get to the sewers until long after I rung the second bell, turned out my Thief class was perfect for certain locked doors and a forest path I took led me to a special new opening right to the main bonfire (with the first fire keeper) so I could cheese my way through.
Since I didn't know that, when I was in Blighttown I fought the wrong way leading to the sewer exit, and when it turned out to be locked I then had to fight my way to the other way, and with all the experience I earned and neat rewards I got it (as well as the hidden tree leading to Ash Lake), it was very rewarding and not something you often see in modern games.
Its still somewhat linear in design, there are branching paths and side paths and the world connects beautifully, but its more like an elaborate maze like series of pipes all feeding into each other and into central hubs instead of a true open world like GTA or Skyrim.
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]
Curses don't stack after the first patch.
SPYDER0416
I also killed Capra my second try. Just rolled up the stairs, killed the dogs and it was a series of jump stabs from there.
Killed it in my 3rd try. Still very cheap. Cheap=/=hard.[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]As long as you don't block the arrows (blocking will push you off) you'll be fine. I think I've only died twice there, once on my first playthrough and another one when I was distracted in my 8th playthrough. I died there over 15 times at least omg..... Probably more. Those were one of the hardest parts for me to get past at first. Nope nevermind I definitely died at that part over 20 times lol. And the curse frogs werent that easy fore me to dodge either. I knew about curse but I didnt know which enemy cursed me. When I saw the meter filling up I thought it was for poison or something. Then I went back there knowing about it and being extremely cautious and they all ended up cornering me and cursing me again....There were some cheap parts. I remember the part where you need to run up a stone beam in that large city (of which I forget the name) and there's two archers with those heavy bows shooting at you. You can sprint up to the pillar and use it for cover, but then you need to run up the rest of the beam and you're closer to them which means you're more likely to get hit. Then you need to reach them and kill them one at a time whilst the other is still shooting at you.
parkurtommo
Maybe stop being terrible at the game?
At least get up to smough and ornstein before you rev up the QQ engine.
Vaasman
It did not test your ability to block and attack, or how to roll, or when to use a flask. I learned to master that in the first hour. So it was not hard based on skill, but hard because of the stupid things programmed in it with the sole purpose to annoy and piss you off instead of challenging you. In other words, its not hard its cheap. Demons souls did not have any cheap moment, everything was always skill based, especially the awesome fights against the sword wielding bosses. Dark Soul cheapness - Getting cursed the first time around, and curses stacking. - You cant interrupt enemies attack. - First time Capra demon (game breaker for most ppl) - Toxic in blightown What else pissed you off?Second_Hokage
Getting Cursed: Sitting in a giant grey cloak of smoke emitted from an enemy, and the game gives you a solid 6 seconds to get out (Somehow cheap?)
Can't interrupt enemy attacks: Yes you can. L2Time parry.
First Capra Demon: Roll? You get 1 solid second of invulnerability when you do so... Not to mention the fight is SOOOO easy to cheeze...
Toxic in Blighttown: Blighttown was 2x easier than the bog in Dark Souls.
And for the record, Dark Souls is EASIER than Demon's Souls. Dark Souls doesn't punish you for dying, where Demon's Souls will make the world tendency darker, making enemies harder to kill.
EDIT: I would also like to point out that dying is PART OF THE GAME. It's not the end of your character's adventure, but a literal game MECHANIC players need to keep in mind. Sorry the concept went over your head, OP.
i managed to summon a guy about my skill level, it was a pretty badass fight. i had to worry about his health :P but in the end, we both made it alive.i remember i summoned some high ranking dude with all this fked up armour, he killed ornstein and the other guy all by himself while i was just sitting in the corner watching haha, still i think DemonSouls was much better.
GrayF0X786
[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]i managed to summon a guy about my skill level, it was a pretty badass fight. i had to worry about his health :P but in the end, we both made it alive. That's how all coop sessions are in DkS, get used to it son. :pi remember i summoned some high ranking dude with all this fked up armour, he killed ornstein and the other guy all by himself while i was just sitting in the corner watching haha, still i think DemonSouls was much better.
BrunoBRS
i went through that this week. i just sprinted like crazy, they missed all the arrows. then you kick the dude in the right off his place, enjoy the souls, and move on. the one in the left loses his view of you once you're up there. honestly, i had a harder time with those skinless gargoyles than them :PThere were some cheap parts. I remember the part where you need to run up a stone beam in that large city (of which I forget the name) and there's two archers with those heavy bows shooting at you. You can sprint up to the pillar and use it for cover, but then you need to run up the rest of the beam and you're closer to them which means you're more likely to get hit. Then you need to reach them and kill them one at a time whilst the other is still shooting at you.
-Unreal-
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