Dark Souls is not hard its just stupid.

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#251 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Also, Bruno, parkur, I have a problem. I think I need to start a "Dark Souls Builds Anonymous" group. I just started and calculated out an Ornstein build today. VIT: 30 ATT: 16 END: 30 STR: 24 DEX: 30 RES: 10 INT: 9 FAI: 30 SL98 - Ornstein's Set - Dragonslayer Spear (+ Silver Knight Straight Sword) - Dragonslayer Greatbow - Canvas Talisman - 3.0-weight shields - Havel's Ring + ROFAP/DWG/Hornet/Leo Miracles: - Great Lightning Spear - Darkmoon Blade - Great Heal - Wrath of the Gods I have some extra SL's (22 of them) I could pump into DEX/FAI if I want more damage for the spear (which B-scales to DEX/FAI). Covenant will probably be Darkmoon Blade.

Gonna want to have 40 endurance for max stamina, general rule I think. I'd put the rest into dex or faith since its B scaling with both. Or at least get Vitality up, 30 is pretty low for any build IMO.
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#252 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Zeviander"]Also, Bruno, parkur, I have a problem. I think I need to start a "Dark Souls Builds Anonymous" group. I just started and calculated out an Ornstein build today. VIT: 30 ATT: 16 END: 30 STR: 24 DEX: 30 RES: 10 INT: 9 FAI: 30 SL98 - Ornstein's Set - Dragonslayer Spear (+ Silver Knight Straight Sword) - Dragonslayer Greatbow - Canvas Talisman - 3.0-weight shields - Havel's Ring + ROFAP/DWG/Hornet/Leo Miracles: - Great Lightning Spear - Darkmoon Blade - Great Heal - Wrath of the Gods I have some extra SL's (22 of them) I could pump into DEX/FAI if I want more damage for the spear (which B-scales to DEX/FAI). Covenant will probably be Darkmoon Blade.

Gonna want to have 40 endurance for max stamina, general rule I think. I'd put the rest into dex or faith since its B scaling with both. Or at least get Vitality up, 30 is pretty low for any build IMO.

And using the dragon slayer is near impossible, finding an arrow for it is about as rare as a pure bladestone lol
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#253 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Zeviander"]Also, Bruno, parkur, I have a problem. I think I need to start a "Dark Souls Builds Anonymous" group. I just started and calculated out an Ornstein build today. VIT: 30 ATT: 16 END: 30 STR: 24 DEX: 30 RES: 10 INT: 9 FAI: 30 SL98 - Ornstein's Set - Dragonslayer Spear (+ Silver Knight Straight Sword) - Dragonslayer Greatbow - Canvas Talisman - 3.0-weight shields - Havel's Ring + ROFAP/DWG/Hornet/Leo Miracles: - Great Lightning Spear - Darkmoon Blade - Great Heal - Wrath of the Gods I have some extra SL's (22 of them) I could pump into DEX/FAI if I want more damage for the spear (which B-scales to DEX/FAI). Covenant will probably be Darkmoon Blade.

Gonna want to have 40 endurance for max stamina, general rule I think. I'd put the rest into dex or faith since its B scaling with both. Or at least get Vitality up, 30 is pretty low for any build IMO.

And using the dragon slayer is near impossible, finding an arrow for it is about as rare as a pure bladestone lol

The bow I wouldn't use, the spear can be good if you dedicate an entire build to using JUST the spear though. Its got one of the longest reaches in the game, great for turtling.
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#254 Zeviander
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Gonna want to have 40 endurance for max stamina, general rule I think. I'd put the rest into dex or faith since its B scaling with both. Or at least get Vitality up, 30 is pretty low for any build IMO. HoolaHoopMan
I wanted it to utilize Ornstein's stuff rather than be optimal in terms of DPS. It's more of a role-playing build than anything. It should be decent for co-op. 30 VIT is the most efficient use of points unless you are going 150+. The HP gains for every level after 30 are a joke (30 is 1325 HP, 99 is 1900 HP). The Grass Crest Shield (one of the multiple 3-weights I always use) should make up for the lowered Stamina. 30 END is exactly what I need with Havel's Ring for Equip Burden under 50% with the equipment I've chosen. Chances are, if I like the build, I'll take it up to 120+. Which is when I'll put END to 40, FAI to 50 (Sunlight Spear :3) and DEX to 40. 148 is a pretty solid finishing number, though PvP I've heard gets more sparse past 120. -- Either way, as with most RPG's I've played in the past (Elder Scrolls being bad for this), I tend to make more characters than I have the time to play all the way through. But I'm fine with that. It's how I have fun. And the fact I've put in over 100 hours and haven't killed a single Lord yet, is impressive (and quite sad). I can't think of any other game this gen, other than Oblivion, that I've played that much of.
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Also, Bruno, parkur, I have a problem. I think I need to start a "Dark Souls Builds Anonymous" group. I just started and calculated out an Ornstein build today. VIT: 30 ATT: 16 END: 30 STR: 24 DEX: 30 RES: 10 INT: 9 FAI: 30 SL98 - Ornstein's Set - Dragonslayer Spear (+ Silver Knight Straight Sword) - Dragonslayer Greatbow - Canvas Talisman - 3.0-weight shields - Havel's Ring + ROFAP/DWG/Hornet/Leo Miracles: - Great Lightning Spear - Darkmoon Blade - Great Heal - Wrath of the Gods I have some extra SL's (22 of them) I could pump into DEX/FAI if I want more damage for the spear (which B-scales to DEX/FAI). Covenant will probably be Darkmoon Blade.

i use ornstein set with ring of... forgot the name (the one that boosts health, stamina and equip weight by 20%), with a 5.0 weight shield (silver knight shield) and the black knight greatsword, and i only needed 31 endurance to keep myself on medium weight cIass. sure, you can't get rid of it, but it's not like you would unequip havel's ring anyway, so i'd rather use that one instead. right now i'm in the process of raising faith an int to 18 so i can at least use the greatsword of artorias. and F*CK i hate the crystal cave and the duke's archives. those clamp people are so annoying, those crystal people are so annoying... seriously, it's the first time i'm actually frustrated with the game >__________>
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#256 Zeviander
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And using the dragon slayer is near impossible, finding an arrow for it is about as rare as a pure bladestone lolparkurtommo
With the Covetous Gold Serpent ring equipped, the Silver Knight archers in Anor Londo drop 1-3 of them almost every time. And the Giant Blacksmith sells them for 500 souls each. It's not a cheap weapon, but it's intimidating, and the knockback is massive (especially for a bow). A couple well-placed arrows and you could knock people right off the area (especially in Sen's).
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#257 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]And using the dragon slayer is near impossible, finding an arrow for it is about as rare as a pure bladestone lolZeviander
With the Covetous Gold Serpent ring equipped, the Silver Knight archers in Anor Londo drop 1-3 of them almost every time. And the Giant Blacksmith sells them for 500 souls each. It's not a cheap weapon, but it's intimidating, and the knockback is massive (especially for a bow). A couple well-placed arrows and you could knock people right off the area (especially in Sen's).

don't know about you, but if i have less than 150 arrows with me, i feel like i'm short on ammo :P
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#258 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Gonna want to have 40 endurance for max stamina, general rule I think. I'd put the rest into dex or faith since its B scaling with both. Or at least get Vitality up, 30 is pretty low for any build IMO. Zeviander
I wanted it to utilize Ornstein's stuff rather than be optimal in terms of DPS. It's more of a role-playing build than anything. It should be decent for co-op. 30 VIT is the most efficient use of points unless you are going 150+. The HP gains for every level after 30 are a joke (30 is 1325 HP, 99 is 1900 HP). The Grass Crest Shield (one of the multiple 3-weights I always use) should make up for the lowered Stamina. 30 END is exactly what I need with Havel's Ring for Equip Burden under 50% with the equipment I've chosen. Chances are, if I like the build, I'll take it up to 120+. Which is when I'll put END to 40, FAI to 50 (Sunlight Spear :3) and DEX to 40. 148 is a pretty solid finishing number, though PvP I've heard gets more sparse past 120. -- Either way, as with most RPG's I've played in the past (Elder Scrolls being bad for this), I tend to make more characters than I have the time to play all the way through. But I'm fine with that. It's how I have fun. And the fact I've put in over 100 hours and haven't killed a single Lord yet, is impressive (and quite sad). I can't think of any other game this gen, other than Oblivion, that I've played that much of.

Here's a good place to start. #18 for the Dragon Slayer Spear if you're interested.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/606312-dark-souls/61494289

Definitely disagree on both endurance and vitality. You get diminishing returns for vitality, but 30 is still pretty low.

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#259 Zeviander
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right now i'm in the process of raising faith an int to 18 so i can at least use the greatsword of artorias.BrunoBRS
What soul level are you? Because I made the mistake of trying to use that sword at SL 80 and paid dearly (it ruined my first character... not that having most stats at 25 helped in the first place). You have to be 147+ for it to be useful: Link
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Okay so your just going to make a thread just to **** about DS whopping your ass guess you don't like a real challenge.

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#261 Zeviander
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Definitely disagree on both endurance and vitality. You get diminishing returns for vitality, but 30 is still pretty low.HoolaHoopMan
*shrugs* To me, the drop in gains over 30 VIT aren't worth the investment (about a 33% drop each level). But then again, I have never PvP'd at level 120, so I wouldn't know the difference that 400 extra HP would make. Maybe I don't notice because I'm usually using the ROFAP and get the equivalent of 40 VIT in HP (it's like 1321, 4 off). Remember I am talking mostly PvE and sub-80 PvP. I tend to use heavier armor (which is why I often use DWG when below 50% EB) to make up for the lower HP. But whatever, I feel like I'm getting way too nerdy about this. Lol.
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#262 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]right now i'm in the process of raising faith an int to 18 so i can at least use the greatsword of artorias.Zeviander
What soul level are you? Because I made the mistake of trying to use that sword at SL 80 and paid dearly (it ruined my first character... not that having most stats at 25 helped in the first place). You have to be 147+ for it to be useful: Link

70-71, i think. i just want for the cool factor, i'll probably stick with my black knight sword. it just annoys me how much of the game is tied to faith and int, so i'm getting those stats to the bare minimum so my character isn't utterly useless outside of his comfort zone (comfort zone being "tank everything with the shield, then doublehand and kill everything in 3-4 hits). i carry like 3 shields around for different situations. silver knight is my standard shield (since it has 64 stability), but if required, i'll use the dragoncrest shield (against fire) or the crest shield (against magic). bloodshield i carry in case i need condition protection, but i haven't used it yet.
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#263 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]Definitely disagree on both endurance and vitality. You get diminishing returns for vitality, but 30 is still pretty low.Zeviander
*shrugs* To me, the drop in gains over 30 VIT aren't worth the investment (about a 33% drop each level). But then again, I have never PvP'd at level 120, so I wouldn't know the difference that 400 extra HP would make. Maybe I don't notice because I'm usually using the ROFAP and get the equivalent of 40 VIT in HP (it's like 1321, 4 off). Remember I am talking mostly PvE and sub-80 PvP. I tend to use heavier armor (which is why I often use DWG when below 50% EB) to make up for the lower HP. But whatever, I feel like I'm getting way too nerdy about this. Lol.

Well personally I think it does makes a difference especially when used with the ring of favor and protection. If you're going PVE though just make a fun build. I like to use full armor sets instead of mixing and matching like everyone else does for PvP, aesthetics people! Gets pretty boring seeing everyone wear the same boring stuff like the Mask of the Mother, havels leggings, or the Giants armor. Favorite build I made is full black iron set, ring of favor/protection and havels ring, claymore, and great shield of artorios. Its just lols at PVE and is still under 50% burden.
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#264 cjmilla527
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I will have to agree with the OP on the game being kinda cheap.Im half way through the game right now started less than a week ago and have so far found most of the difficulty parts in the game from cheap mob placements and gimmicky cheap Nintendo gamish situations.Blight town for instance when there are mobs that just stand at the bottom of a ladder you have to climb down and they just wait for you there to rock you when you get down, or a mob that shoots poison darts at you from miles away that you cant even see while you take on rats and other enemies.All these things are manageable yes but don't say this game doesn't use cheapness to make it hard because it does and it does frequently. I haven't found the bosses to hard especially capera I don't get why people think that guys hard I killed him on my second try.I think the game would be just as good without the need to make you rewalk the same parts in the game over and over that's repetitive not fun.Non the less I will finish the game before gw2 drops hopefully because when I can choose between gw2 and dark souls its gonna be gw2 any day of the week.Keep it though op iv already wanted to quit a few times and the next day I'l pick it up again and down a few more bosses its worth it in the end.Nothing will be more of a final F U to the game than owning the last boss :b