Dark Souls is the most overrated crap ever

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

It's overrated, but it's far from crap.

Nanomage

[QUOTE="Jack-Burton"][QUOTE="robotapple"]

Terrible graphics, clunky controls, bad art design, always feels like everything looks the same.

Stupid AI with enemies falling off ledges.

How is this so highly rated by the gaming community? Because it's hard?

 

Give me Ninja Gaiden for a good challenge, Dark Souls sucks.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="gamefan67"]Dark Souls bores me. I love Demon's Souls, but just can't get into Dark Souls. I just get bored every time I try to play it.clone01

Im on the same boat.

I really started to appreciate Dark Souls once I got a hang of the controls, and then, once I got the hang of it, it became very quickly tedious. Repeating the same motions over and over to defeat the average AI'd enemies.

 

Then you decide to finally use your humanity and someone invades your game. You can't disable this and when they get in, you can't do anything about it except wait to die. You'll get backstabbed constantly because of the poor combat and there's nothing you can do about it. I understand having brutal challenges in the game, but bullshit like that? Yeah, that's when I realised I was done with it.

 

It seems to me that people worship this game because it's "difficult" (it's simply a matter of figuring out the predictable enemy movements) and "hardcore". 

It's "in" to be elitest over a popular game. It's also kind of pathetic. 

Flappykid

[QUOTE="Jack-Burton"][QUOTE="robotapple"]

Terrible graphics, clunky controls, bad art design, always feels like everything looks the same.

Stupid AI with enemies falling off ledges.

How is this so highly rated by the gaming community? Because it's hard?

 

Give me Ninja Gaiden for a good challenge, Dark Souls sucks.

DarkLink77

Dark Souls was easily GOTY 2011 and very high on the list of GOAT.

Dark Soul's success shows more about what is wrong with the industry then what is good about the game..  That a game that has little hand holding and is unforgiving some how is seen as game of the decade.. Don't get me wrong it is a good game, but to me I think it is magnified simply because of how bad many mainstream games have become.

The series is overrated in my opinion.  People either love it or hate it.  

Someone got destroyed after thirty minutes of playing Dark Souls and got mad on Gamespot. It's ok. It happens to the most worthless of us.

I agree it's all worthless trash.

One thing you should know about the soul games is that it is all a big piece of garbage. Now before you say *lol u suk the gam0rzz* I love hard and challenging games like NG1/2 DMC3 and have completed most of them. But the souls games are just not my cup of tea, the soul games requires a massive amount of time to spend on grinding I like hard games that I can complete on the get go like NG DMC.

I'm not a fan of spending 60 hours just to complete one level especially when the graphics are subpar and the storyline non existant. I don't have time for this nonsense.

Chrome-

There's very little farming.  The only farming I can think of is for slabs or titanite chunks.  

I've beaten the game in under 5 hours, and there's plenty of people who have done it at SL1.  As for the story, its mostly hidden in item descriptions and dialogue between characters.  Then again if story is a big deal why did you list DMC or NG?  

I've never played Dark Souls, but if it's anything like Demon Souls, then I would probably agree with you.

then don't buy it and move on with your life, crying about it on a forum isn't going to make it all of a sudden better.

Because it's hard?

 

robotapple

I somewhat agree. I do think it is overrated. It's definicient in many of the things I look for in a game.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Nah,not really.I am playing fallout 3 atm,and even after 40 hours,it is fun. I didn't complete dark souls,but there is no story till blight-town.

Minishdriveby

Playing games for story

Yah doin it wrong m8

But I play Dark Souls for the story.

I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on a lot of those same things.

Since the post I'm replying to is about story I'll start with that:

I couldn't imagine playing Dark Souls for just the story, and no I'm not going to tell you it is non-existent. Boy, is it there, and it is fantastic, the tales, lore, and implications that the game holds and tells through the game and gameplay goals are an achievement. This is what many video game developers should start thinking about. Like I said though, playing for just the story is odd to me. Maybe the incredible world that is fleshed out in the lore, but not entirely just the story/lore. Obviously I'd assume playing for gameplay, but you seem to be kind of above gameplay, if that makes sense. It sounds like gameplay is just how you traverse the world to you.

As for difficulty. I agree, the game's difficulty is vastly overrated, not because it is easy, but because the game design offers so much more to be praise than, "Oh, this game's hard, I'm good at games."

I think the game is difficult to a certain degree, a generally high one, and that what you explain as the game not being difficult comes from your personal experience, you found the bosses weaknesses quickly you adapted well, but most people won't as they are not incredibly obvious, especially since the last thing a lot of people do is get close to a boss. I suppose I'm saying your wit is what kept you from feeling the difficulty. Not to put you above other players, you just adapted faster.

In summary: You thought it was easy because you realized things quicker, but its difficulty is overstated, or at least too much of a topic, and the game offers incredible stories and story-telling, but even then, there is more to it.

Finally, for clarification, I've never played Dark Souls, but I've seen all of it. I have seen hardly any of Demon's Souls, and anticipate Dark Souls II cautiously, but without spoilers.

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Playing games for story

Yah doin it wrong m8

TilxWLOC

But I play Dark Souls for the story.

I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on a lot of those same things.

Since the post I'm replying to is about story I'll start with that:

I couldn't imagine playing Dark Souls for just the story, and no I'm not going to tell you it is non-existent. Boy, is it there, and it is fantastic, the tales, lore, and implications that the game holds and tells through the game and gameplay goals are an achievement. This is what many video game developers should start thinking about. Like I said though, playing for just the story is odd to me. Maybe the incredible world that is fleshed out in the lore, but not entirely just the story/lore. Obviously I'd assume playing for gameplay, but you seem to be kind of above gameplay, if that makes sense. It sounds like gameplay is just how you traverse the world to you.

As for difficulty. I agree, the game's difficulty is vastly overrated, not because it is easy, but because the game design offers so much more to be praise than, "Oh, this game's hard, I'm good at games."

I think the game is difficult to a certain degree, a generally high one, and that what you explain as the game not being difficult comes from your personal experience, you found the bosses weaknesses quickly you adapted well, but most people won't as they are not incredibly obvious, especially since the last thing a lot of people do is get close to a boss. I suppose I'm saying your wit is what kept you from feeling the difficulty. Not to put you above other players, you just adapted faster.

In summary: You thought it was easy because you realized things quicker, but its difficulty is overstated, or at least too much of a topic, and the game offers incredible stories and story-telling, but even then, there is more to it.

Finally, for clarification, I've never played Dark Souls, but I've seen all of it. I have seen hardly any of Demon's Souls, and anticipate Dark Souls II cautiously, but without spoilers.

http://i.imgur.com/NTkn9iF.jpg

The combat is great and I may have understated it a bit, but the rich lore/world and exploration of the landscape is what made me come back to this game so many times.

[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

But I play Dark Souls for the story.

Minishdriveby

I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on a lot of those same things.

Since the post I'm replying to is about story I'll start with that:

I couldn't imagine playing Dark Souls for just the story, and no I'm not going to tell you it is non-existent. Boy, is it there, and it is fantastic, the tales, lore, and implications that the game holds and tells through the game and gameplay goals are an achievement. This is what many video game developers should start thinking about. Like I said though, playing for just the story is odd to me. Maybe the incredible world that is fleshed out in the lore, but not entirely just the story/lore. Obviously I'd assume playing for gameplay, but you seem to be kind of above gameplay, if that makes sense. It sounds like gameplay is just how you traverse the world to you.

As for difficulty. I agree, the game's difficulty is vastly overrated, not because it is easy, but because the game design offers so much more to be praise than, "Oh, this game's hard, I'm good at games."

I think the game is difficult to a certain degree, a generally high one, and that what you explain as the game not being difficult comes from your personal experience, you found the bosses weaknesses quickly you adapted well, but most people won't as they are not incredibly obvious, especially since the last thing a lot of people do is get close to a boss. I suppose I'm saying your wit is what kept you from feeling the difficulty. Not to put you above other players, you just adapted faster.

In summary: You thought it was easy because you realized things quicker, but its difficulty is overstated, or at least too much of a topic, and the game offers incredible stories and story-telling, but even then, there is more to it.

Finally, for clarification, I've never played Dark Souls, but I've seen all of it. I have seen hardly any of Demon's Souls, and anticipate Dark Souls II cautiously, but without spoilers.

http://i.imgur.com/NTkn9iF.jpg

The combat is great and I may have understated it a bit, but the rich lore/world and exploration of the landscape is what made me come back to this game so many times.

Whoa, thanks for the picture, I knew you could see them, but I didn't even know where to look. Did you know that Seath uses the Channelers as eyes to scout out his Specimens?

I see that we actually do share more of an opinion on this game that I first thought. I used your posts, since you seemed to have the most knowledge of the game, to post my stance.

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]

I agree with you on some things and disagree with you on a lot of those same things.

Since the post I'm replying to is about story I'll start with that:

I couldn't imagine playing Dark Souls for just the story, and no I'm not going to tell you it is non-existent. Boy, is it there, and it is fantastic, the tales, lore, and implications that the game holds and tells through the game and gameplay goals are an achievement. This is what many video game developers should start thinking about. Like I said though, playing for just the story is odd to me. Maybe the incredible world that is fleshed out in the lore, but not entirely just the story/lore. Obviously I'd assume playing for gameplay, but you seem to be kind of above gameplay, if that makes sense. It sounds like gameplay is just how you traverse the world to you.

As for difficulty. I agree, the game's difficulty is vastly overrated, not because it is easy, but because the game design offers so much more to be praise than, "Oh, this game's hard, I'm good at games."

I think the game is difficult to a certain degree, a generally high one, and that what you explain as the game not being difficult comes from your personal experience, you found the bosses weaknesses quickly you adapted well, but most people won't as they are not incredibly obvious, especially since the last thing a lot of people do is get close to a boss. I suppose I'm saying your wit is what kept you from feeling the difficulty. Not to put you above other players, you just adapted faster.

In summary: You thought it was easy because you realized things quicker, but its difficulty is overstated, or at least too much of a topic, and the game offers incredible stories and story-telling, but even then, there is more to it.

Finally, for clarification, I've never played Dark Souls, but I've seen all of it. I have seen hardly any of Demon's Souls, and anticipate Dark Souls II cautiously, but without spoilers.

TilxWLOC

http://i.imgur.com/NTkn9iF.jpg

The combat is great and I may have understated it a bit, but the rich lore/world and exploration of the landscape is what made me come back to this game so many times.

Whoa, thanks for the picture, I knew you could see them, but I didn't even know where to look. Did you know that Seath uses the Channelers as eyes to scout out his Specimens?

I see that we actually do share more of an opinion on this game that I first thought. I used your posts, since you seemed to have the most knowledge of the game, to post my stance.

I really like Queelag and her sister's story.

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]

I agree it's all worthless trash.

One thing you should know about the soul games is that it is all a big piece of garbage. Now before you say *lol u suk the gam0rzz* I love hard and challenging games like NG1/2 DMC3 and have completed most of them. But the souls games are just not my cup of tea, the soul games requires a massive amount of time to spend on grinding I like hard games that I can complete on the get go like NG DMC.

I'm not a fan of spending 60 hours just to complete one level especially when the graphics are subpar and the storyline non existant. I don't have time for this nonsense.

HoolaHoopMan

There's very little farming.  The only farming I can think of is for slabs or titanite chunks.  

I've beaten the game in under 5 hours, and there's plenty of people who have done it at SL1.  As for the story, its mostly hidden in item descriptions and dialogue between characters.  Then again if story is a big deal why did you list DMC or NG?  

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]

I agree it's all worthless trash.

One thing you should know about the soul games is that it is all a big piece of garbage. Now before you say *lol u suk the gam0rzz* I love hard and challenging games like NG1/2 DMC3 and have completed most of them. But the souls games are just not my cup of tea, the soul games requires a massive amount of time to spend on grinding I like hard games that I can complete on the get go like NG DMC.

I'm not a fan of spending 60 hours just to complete one level especially when the graphics are subpar and the storyline non existant. I don't have time for this nonsense.

Lulekani

There's very little farming.  The only farming I can think of is for slabs or titanite chunks.  

I've beaten the game in under 5 hours, and there's plenty of people who have done it at SL1.  As for the story, its mostly hidden in item descriptions and dialogue between characters.  Then again if story is a big deal why did you list DMC or NG?  

noShoulderOfOrion

/thread.

I think it is overrated (story gets way too much praise simply for being minimalistic) but still a good game.  I'm enjoying it right now.

[QUOTE="Lulekani"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

There's very little farming.  The only farming I can think of is for slabs or titanite chunks.  

I've beaten the game in under 5 hours, and there's plenty of people who have done it at SL1.  As for the story, its mostly hidden in item descriptions and dialogue between characters.  Then again if story is a big deal why did you list DMC or NG?  

Minishdriveby

I think the difficulty of the game is tremendously overstated.  The game, itself, is very enjoyable.  Good gameplay and environment.

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

[QUOTE="Lulekani"]

Theres also some guy that finnished COD using just a knife. Nobody thought it was impossible, they simply knew it wouldn't be fun to play a game that way. Persistance doesn't count as a strategy and definately doesn't work in truly challenging games like Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden.

Lulekani

ummm.... Persistence actually does help in DMC and NG. If you give up you never get better. If you continue (persist) to play you improve and update your strategy.

You're right, persistance isn't the right word, how about relentlessness, or Stubborness (I lost my thesaurous). Either way what I'm trying to say is, in Dark Souls you can turn back and grind for souls to level up, the game practicaly encourages it. In DmC , however, some ingeniuity is required. Because Dante's attribute cannot be increased (excluding life and devil guage) to make the combat easier.

This may sound like an insult, and I try not to attack people on the internet, but that is a pretty stupid thing to say. The game encourages your progress, your lack of self control encourages grinding. In DMC 3 you could do side missions to make your character stronger, but from my knowledge they are hidden. Should you search every inch of a level for that before continuing, does the game "encourage" it? No, that's on you. All games that are marginally challenging require persistence. Especially if you don't go and purposely make yourself stronger than necessary. Which you don't really need to do in Dark Souls if you're good enough, nor is it encouraged, as mentioned before by somebody else.

If it isn't your kind of game, sure. Don't make up stupid excuses though, it just isn't for you.

While proofreading, I noticed that you excluded Dante's attribute increases, and I'd consider that a cop-out. Metroid is hard is you avoid power-ups they aren't necessary though. In Metroid, though, powering up is encouraged

99 percent of games with Dungeons and Dragons suck...Dark Souls MIGHT be an exception. Skyrim isn't.

[QUOTE="Lulekani"]

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

ummm.... Persistence actually does help in DMC and NG. If you give up you never get better. If you continue (persist) to play you improve and update your strategy.

TilxWLOC

You're right, persistance isn't the right word, how about relentlessness, or Stubborness (I lost my thesaurous). Either way what I'm trying to say is, in Dark Souls you can turn back and grind for souls to level up, the game practicaly encourages it. In DmC , however, some ingeniuity is required. Because Dante's attribute cannot be increased (excluding life and devil guage) to make the combat easier.

This may sound like an insult, and I try not to attack people on the internet, but that is a pretty stupid thing to say. The game encourages your progress, your lack of self control encourages grinding. In DMC 3 you could do side missions to make your character stronger, but from my knowledge they are hidden. Should you search every inch of a level for that before continuing, does the game "encourage" it? No, that's on you. All games that are marginally challenging require persistence. Especially if you don't go and purposely make yourself stronger than necessary. Which you don't really need to do in Dark Souls if you're good enough, nor is it encouraged, as mentioned before by somebody else.

If it isn't your kind of game, sure. Don't make up stupid excuses though, it just isn't for you.

While proofreading, I noticed that you excluded Dante's attribute increases, and I'd consider that a cop-out. Metroid is hard is you avoid power-ups they aren't necessary though. In Metroid, though, powering up is encouraged

99 percent of games with Dungeons and Dragons suck...Dark Souls MIGHT be an exception. Skyrim isn't.

StrongBlackVine

You spelt Skyrim wrong in the thread title, OP.

I think the difficulty of the game is tremendously overstated.  The game, itself, is very enjoyable.  Good gameplay and environment.

sonicare

I think the difficulty of the game is tremendously overstated.  The game, itself, is very enjoyable.  Good gameplay and environment.

sonicare

I only find fighting the enemies fun because it actually feels like a proper fight instead of just mashing buttons and killing them for cannon fodder(which is still fun), however, I really despise the bosses. I know they're meant to be hard and you need to work harder but everytime you encounter one you're always massively underpowered, get dominated, then spend another 3 or 4 hours grinding so you can get a better chance. Now that's very RPG like and not player skill. Good thing you can bring other people into your world so they kill the enemies for you and you get free souls to level up on.

Wrote more than I thought I would o.o

blangenakker

Demon Souls>Dark Souls

I think the difficulty of the game is tremendously overstated.  The game, itself, is very enjoyable.  Good gameplay and environment.

sonicare

[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]

[QUOTE="Lulekani"]

You're right, persistance isn't the right word, how about relentlessness, or Stubborness (I lost my thesaurous). Either way what I'm trying to say is, in Dark Souls you can turn back and grind for souls to level up, the game practicaly encourages it. In DmC , however, some ingeniuity is required. Because Dante's attribute cannot be increased (excluding life and devil guage) to make the combat easier.

Lulekani

This may sound like an insult, and I try not to attack people on the internet, but that is a pretty stupid thing to say. The game encourages your progress, your lack of self control encourages grinding. In DMC 3 you could do side missions to make your character stronger, but from my knowledge they are hidden. Should you search every inch of a level for that before continuing, does the game "encourage" it? No, that's on you. All games that are marginally challenging require persistence. Especially if you don't go and purposely make yourself stronger than necessary. Which you don't really need to do in Dark Souls if you're good enough, nor is it encouraged, as mentioned before by somebody else.

If it isn't your kind of game, sure. Don't make up stupid excuses though, it just isn't for you.

While proofreading, I noticed that you excluded Dante's attribute increases, and I'd consider that a cop-out. Metroid is hard is you avoid power-ups they aren't necessary though. In Metroid, though, powering up is encouraged

Lol. I get the impression Dark Souls is more than just a video game to you. Anyway Dante's attributes (other than Health and Devil Guage) can't be increased under any circumstances he'l never become faster or stronger. This puts Opponents on fair ground, this type of consistancy is absent from Dark Souls because of It's Attribute Based Character Progression (whether one decides to level up or not won't change this flaw) why would a game with already tight, responsive and strategic combat muddy the concept by allowing the attributes to be improved ? You definately can't have it both ways.

Is the devil guage not a tool to make Dante stronger, so wouldn't upgrading it(s duration) become progress in making your character more powerful? Along with HP.

Before I continue on your other point I'd like you to elaborate on what other kinds of character progression there is. Just to be clear we're speaking gameplay.

Dark Souls is a game to me, but it is an amazing one and while I definitely find flaws in it I can't seem to let your excuse pass for an actual flaw in the game or its design.

[QUOTE="Lulekani"]

[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]

This may sound like an insult, and I try not to attack people on the internet, but that is a pretty stupid thing to say. The game encourages your progress, your lack of self control encourages grinding. In DMC 3 you could do side missions to make your character stronger, but from my knowledge they are hidden. Should you search every inch of a level for that before continuing, does the game "encourage" it? No, that's on you. All games that are marginally challenging require persistence. Especially if you don't go and purposely make yourself stronger than necessary. Which you don't really need to do in Dark Souls if you're good enough, nor is it encouraged, as mentioned before by somebody else.

If it isn't your kind of game, sure. Don't make up stupid excuses though, it just isn't for you.

While proofreading, I noticed that you excluded Dante's attribute increases, and I'd consider that a cop-out. Metroid is hard is you avoid power-ups they aren't necessary though. In Metroid, though, powering up is encouraged

TilxWLOC

Lol. I get the impression Dark Souls is more than just a video game to you. Anyway Dante's attributes (other than Health and Devil Guage) can't be increased under any circumstances he'l never become faster or stronger. This puts Opponents on fair ground, this type of consistancy is absent from Dark Souls because of It's Attribute Based Character Progression (whether one decides to level up or not won't change this flaw) why would a game with already tight, responsive and strategic combat muddy the concept by allowing the attributes to be improved ? You definately can't have it both ways.

Is the devil guage not a tool to make Dante stronger, so wouldn't upgrading it(s duration) become progress in making your character more powerful? Along with HP.

Before I continue on your other point I'd like you to elaborate on what other kinds of character progression there is. Just to be clear we're speaking gameplay.

Dark Souls is a game to me, but it is an amazing one and while I definitely find flaws in it I can't seem to let your excuse pass for an actual flaw in the game or its design.

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]

I agree it's all worthless trash.

One thing you should know about the soul games is that it is all a big piece of garbage. Now before you say *lol u suk the gam0rzz* I love hard and challenging games like NG1/2 DMC3 and have completed most of them. But the souls games are just not my cup of tea, the soul games requires a massive amount of time to spend on grinding I like hard games that I can complete on the get go like NG DMC.

I'm not a fan of spending 60 hours just to complete one level especially when the graphics are subpar and the storyline non existant. I don't have time for this nonsense.

Lulekani

There's very little farming.  The only farming I can think of is for slabs or titanite chunks.  

I've beaten the game in under 5 hours, and there's plenty of people who have done it at SL1.  As for the story, its mostly hidden in item descriptions and dialogue between characters.  Then again if story is a big deal why did you list DMC or NG?  

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="Lulekani"] Isn't it obvious ? Because theres no fun at all in doing that. Im good at alot things , but I just don't enjoy all of them. I'm pretty sure your good at taking a boot to the face, however, feel free to tell me how entertaining it is, and thats Dark Souls (Soul Level 1) in a nutshell.Lulekani

I don't do SL1 runs, I'm talking about simply playing the game and leveling up with the souls you garner on the way.  Its possible to beat the game with no grinding, because as I said earlier, I don't think the game is that hard to begin with.  

If you're going to sit here and say that grinding it a necessity in the game then its quite obvious that you're just not very good at it. If you just don't find the game fun from a gameplay standpoint then that's fine. 

The game itself isn't even hard, it's more of a trial and error game where you learn from your mistake and not repeat it. Once you figure out where all the death traps are and enemies ambush then you can actually fly through the game with little effort.

The game itself isn't even hard, it's more of a trial and error game where you learn from your mistake and not repeat it. Once you figure out where all the death traps are and enemies ambush then you can actually fly through the game with little effort.

DivineSword

I wouldn't say "wtih little effort." Even knowing where all the traps and such were in Sen's Fortress, it still took me forever to get through.

I wouldn't say "wtih little effort." Even knowing where all the traps and such were in Sen's Fortress, it still took me forever to get through.

turtlethetaffer

[QUOTE="Lulekani"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

There's very little farming.  The only farming I can think of is for slabs or titanite chunks.  

I've beaten the game in under 5 hours, and there's plenty of people who have done it at SL1.  As for the story, its mostly hidden in item descriptions and dialogue between characters.  Then again if story is a big deal why did you list DMC or NG?  

HoolaHoopMan

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

I wouldn't say "wtih little effort." Even knowing where all the traps and such were in Sen's Fortress, it still took me forever to get through.

DivineSword

Reffering mostly to the swinging blades, because, at the time, I was stupid and had no ranged attack, so that one lizard that was shooting lightning right before you go outside on that thin walkway kept kicking my ass.