Dark Souls PC post-embargo impressions [30fps, locked 1024x720]

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#101 Rocker6
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Yup and consoles are stagnant. lol!! They can do 1080p native though. Many PC's out there still have to play games in lower resolution Not everyone has a high-tech PC. The game is a port, like I knew it would be. Hermits will get someone to mod it no doubt.

blackace

In theory,yes,consoles can do 1080p.However,the amount of game design sacriffices needed to pull it off in ANY high-budget title makes the whole point moot to discuss...

And that's why no "high-profile" dev does it...

Also,today,nearly any PC built with gaming in mind easily outmatches the consoles.Even an AMD APU does it with ease...

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#102 clone01
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Some idiot invading my gamespace? If I can turn it off, that's the first thing I'll do.jun_aka_pekto
There's certain criteria to be invaded or invade. If you want to avoid that, just play offline, or play in soul form in demon's souls, or hollow in dark souls.
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#103 blackace
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Black Ops :lol:Rocker6

Alan Wake on 360 is at 540p, lulz.

Let's not go there.The list is rather lengthy,and shameful,when you take into the account you're speaking about "HD" consoles :P

540P isn't considered HD. 720P and higher is considered to be HD. Hopefully Sony & Microsoft make their next consoles truly HD so they can be connected to PC monitors and display games at the highest resolution PC games can be displayed. They should have done this for this current generation. Just because they connect to 1080p HDTV doesn't mean the resolution should be locked at that standard. We all know the cards can do much more.
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#104 blackace
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[QUOTE="blackace"]

Yup and consoles are stagnant. lol!! They can do 1080p native though. Many PC's out there still have to play games in lower resolution Not everyone has a high-tech PC. The game is a port, like I knew it would be. Hermits will get someone to mod it no doubt.

Rocker6

In theory,yes,consoles can do 1080p.However,the amount of game design sacriffices needed to pull it off in ANY high-budget title makes the whole point moot to discuss...

And that's why no "high-profile" dev does it...

Also,today,nearly any PC built with gaming in mind easily outmatches the consoles.Even an AMD APU does it with ease...

There are 1080p games on both XBox 360 and PS3 that run perfectly fine. The fact that is can be done and has been, is proof enough. You do understand what stagnant means right? The current consoles are 5-6 years old with NO HARDWARE UPGRADE over those years. You're comparing them to CURRENT PC'S OF TODAY?!?!? LMAO!! That's the dumbest thing I've seen. Of course they don't compare. PC's hardware upgrades every 3-6 months minimum. Compare your best PC to the best Apple MAC computer. That's what you should be comparing.
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#105 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] Alan Wake on 360 is at 540p, lulz.

blackace

Let's not go there.The list is rather lengthy,and shameful,when you take into the account you're speaking about "HD" consoles :P

540P isn't considered HD. 720P and higher is considered to be HD. Hopefully Sony & Microsoft make their next consoles truly HD so they can be connected to PC monitors and display games at the highest resolution PC games can be displayed. They should have done this for this current generation. Just because they connect to 1080p HDTV doesn't mean the resolution should be locked at that standard. We all know the cards can do much more.

Thank you,Captain Obvious :P

But don't expect next Gen consoles to run on native 1080p.I'd say it's more likely they'll end up running in good and stable 720p/60FPS,but with better anti-aliasing and VSync methods.

It's a waste of time and resources to make console game assets in 1080p.Development costs would once again skyrocket,and for what?

Outside of boards like this,"common" console gamers don't really care about resolutions and all that stuff.They don't pay too much attention to it,and just play their games...

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#106 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]

Yup and consoles are stagnant. lol!! They can do 1080p native though. Many PC's out there still have to play games in lower resolution Not everyone has a high-tech PC. The game is a port, like I knew it would be. Hermits will get someone to mod it no doubt.

blackace

In theory,yes,consoles can do 1080p.However,the amount of game design sacriffices needed to pull it off in ANY high-budget title makes the whole point moot to discuss...

And that's why no "high-profile" dev does it...

Also,today,nearly any PC built with gaming in mind easily outmatches the consoles.Even an AMD APU does it with ease...

Compare your best PC to the best Apple MAC computer. That's what you should be comparing.

Mac? Exactly what can a Mac do better than a PC gamewise?

I have a Mac. I don't see it doing games better on equivalent PC hardware.

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#107 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="blackace"]

Yup and consoles are stagnant. lol!! They can do 1080p native though. Many PC's out there still have to play games in lower resolution Not everyone has a high-tech PC. The game is a port, like I knew it would be. Hermits will get someone to mod it no doubt.

blackace

In theory,yes,consoles can do 1080p.However,the amount of game design sacriffices needed to pull it off in ANY high-budget title makes the whole point moot to discuss...

And that's why no "high-profile" dev does it...

Also,today,nearly any PC built with gaming in mind easily outmatches the consoles.Even an AMD APU does it with ease...

There are 1080p games on both XBox 360 and PS3 that run perfectly fine. The fact that is can be done and has been, is proof enough. You do understand what stagnant means right? The current consoles are 5-6 years old with NO HARDWARE UPGRADE over those years. You're comparing them to CURRENT PC'S OF TODAY?!?!? LMAO!! That's the dumbest thing I've seen. Of course they don't compare. PC's hardware upgrades every 3-6 months minimum. Compare your best PC to the best Apple MAC computer. That's what you should be comparing.

The point is,this console gen is dragging for way too long...

And nope,there are no "high-profile" console titles that run on native 1920x1080 resolution.Even games like GT5 on PS3 use various tricks,like rendering in some resolution like 1280x1080,while still having some assets downgraded.Here,read this...

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#108 ShadowDeathX
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Expected. The game was built for consoles, and solely consoles. From Software had no plans whatsoever to even build a PC version before Namco ordered to make one. As such, they didn't have to worry about creating assets or technical pipelines for anything but the Xbox 360 and PS3. Once Namco ordered a PC version and gave From Software a tiny budget to work with and a small amount of time, From Software had no choice but to do a quick port. They couldn't outsource it either because that meant that the other developer had to learn up the engine and then do a quick port themselves. Btw, the engine is a console engine. On the other hand, that 60 frames per second lock is dumb in my opinion. Hopefully it gets patched out or something. Wonder how much modders will do since the game uses Games for Windows LIVE. LIVE locks down and protects the memory values.
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#109 Zeviander
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Being a direct port, this does not surprise me. Given the potential for modders to take it over (they better release development tools) and the possibility of using one's own servers, even at 1024x720 @ 30 fps, it sh!ts all over the console versions. I understand why FS did this though... they wanted to provide a PC version while still being able to move on quickly to new projects. PC gamers should be thankful they even get the game.
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#110 NAPK1NS
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That is terrible. I thought PC's were supposed to be easier to develop for? I am waiting for PC version, now I don't see why.SaltyMeatballs
"Easier to develop for?" It's a port you damn fool.
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#111 slimjimbadboy
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Consolites have been doing it for so long, I guess now I get to enjoy this last gen game now too.

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#112 Dante2710
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Will get it once it hits $5-$10 price range

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#113 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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Will get it once it hits $5-$10 price range

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Seeing this $5 thing so often, no wonder *some* developers dont want to make games for PC gamers. Its a full lenght unique game, just because of resolution we think its value should be shed down to 10% absolutely ridiculous. Upscaled 720p looks pretty damn fine on a monitor, the level of self-entitlement is obsurd. Yes, resolutions are a standard... but it is just ridiculous to ignore such a product based on it. principles gone complete bonkers.
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#114 Timstuff
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Japanese PC development is in a very sorry state right now, I'm afraid. Most Japanese PC games today are casual games, and when it comes to core games they are pretty much a no-show other than the occasional MMO like Final Fantasy XIV (which was broken at launch). They should have outsourced the PC version to Korea, because they know what's up with PCs.

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#115 HaloinventedFPS
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wow what a god damn joke, 30fps/720p lock & GFWL? this makes the Resi 4 port look like a masterpiece.

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#116 GD1551
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Japan shows once again why they aren't relevant.

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#117 Rockman999
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Ha ha ha I'm not even going to sh!t on hermits today but my god why are Japanese developers so fvcking useless?
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#118 BigDaddyPOLO
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1024x720 what is this a psp game

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#119 BrunoBRS
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1024? i thought it would be at least widescreen. i mean i'm having to play TW2 on 720p to get playable framerates, and it doesn't take long to get used to it, but that resolution just seems like you'll either see some epic black bars, or the image will be stretched beyond recognition. on the other hand, dark souls was never an optimized game to begin with, or technically proficient.
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#120 Frostbite24
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So PC gamers get to enjoy new content, a cheaper price, and a more stable framerate. Gotcha.

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#122 Fizzman
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Gonna stick with the 360 version. No reason to support a bad port.

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#123 -Unreal-
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Those devs must be very technically incompetent. Render resolution? How hard is it to change that? It's one of the most basic things in a graphics engine. It's one of the lowest level parameters there is.

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#124 Timstuff
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Those devs must be very technically incompetent. Render resolution? How hard is it to change that? It's one of the most basic things in a graphics engine. It's one of the lowest level parameters there is.

-Unreal-
The saddest thing is that there will probably be a mod that fixes that. You know you've got a problem when your fans are better at developing than you.
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#125 -Unreal-
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Just think about this. 1024x720 is LESS than the kind of resolution we would use back in 2000.

W.T.F

I don't understand why the rendering (native) resolution would not be changeable. They could have paid one college student to fix the game for them in the space of a couple of weeks.

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#126 Nanomage
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It´s very rare to see such an incompetent developer these days,had to be japanese.
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#127 Peredith
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THHBO

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#128 Crazyguy105
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I feel like most of the thread didn't even bother reading the article.

The game is going to be exactly like the console version, except apparently Blighttown/New Londo doesn't lag to hell anymore. That instantly puts it above the console versions for now.

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#129 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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THHBO

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Aren't you a hermit? :?

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#130 aroxx_ab
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I feel like most of the thread didn't even bother reading the article.

The game is going to be exactly like the console version, except apparently Blighttown/New Londo doesn't lag to hell anymore. That instantly puts it above the console versions for now.

Crazyguy105

Nope, PC got higher standars right? so console version still superior ;)

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#131 AdrianWerner
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THHBO

Peredith

PC Dark Soul is bashed to hell because it's only slightly better than console versions...shows just how much higher PC standards are.

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#132 Blackbond
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No reason to get the PC version now. Bummer.

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Agreed, might as well get it for console. Once again a japanese dev proving they can't cut it on PC.

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#133 tagyhag
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I've been playing Age of Empires 2 on 1080p lately. :) *Spooky voice* How does tagggyyyyy dooooo iiiitttttt?
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#134 KHAndAnime
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Sounds like the saddest port ever made. These dumb publishers/developers are going to have to learn the hard way. People demand a PC port, they half-ass it, nobody wants it, then they blame pirates and say the venture was a waste of time. Incompetence at its most obvious.
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#135 mitu123
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I've been playing Age of Empires 2 on 1080p lately. :) *Spooky voice* How does tagggyyyyy dooooo iiiitttttt?tagyhag
Probably had to do a favor for someone I'm guessing.>.>

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#136 Senor_Kami
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... so it's not even widescreen? Do they still make 4:3 computer monitors?
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#137 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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[QUOTE="Peredith"]

THHBO

AdrianWerner

PC Dark Soul is bashed to hell because it's only slightly better than console versions...shows just how much higher PC standards are.

really? seems kinda sad to me.
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#138 N30F3N1X
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really? seems kinda sad to me.MBirdy88

What's "sad"? That we demand features that even Big Rigs and Street Cleaning Simulator had :| ?

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#139 dom2000
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Eugh...the game is basically unplayable at that resolution!
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#140 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

I feel like most of the thread didn't even bother reading the article.

The game is going to be exactly like the console version, except apparently Blighttown/New Londo doesn't lag to hell anymore. That instantly puts it above the console versions for now.

aroxx_ab

Nope, PC got higher standars right? so console version still superior ;)

That doesn't even make sense.
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#141 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

I feel like most of the thread didn't even bother reading the article.

The game is going to be exactly like the console version, except apparently Blighttown/New Londo doesn't lag to hell anymore. That instantly puts it above the console versions for now.

parkurtommo

Nope, PC got higher standars right? so console version still superior ;)

That doesn't even make sense.

We going by score right, it is no chance in hell the sloppy PC version will score higher than console version

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#142 QQabitmoar
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It's like they WANT us to pirate it. Seriously, how can they release such a crappy port and expect people to buy it? I will consider buying it during a steam sale, provided the modding community fixes the mess that those incompetent devs made.

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#143 jwsoul
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Well looks like PC only owners crying its trash are going to miss one of the best games in recent years. To bad it really is excellent.
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#144 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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Well looks like PC only owners crying its trash are going to miss one of the best games in recent years. To bad it really is excellent. jwsoul

Most will still buy it anyway, we just wish it had what every other PC game has had for a LONG time

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#145 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

Nope, PC got higher standars right? so console version still superior ;)

aroxx_ab

That doesn't even make sense.

We going by score right, it is no chance in hell the sloppy PC version will score higher than console version

Of course not, because PC has higher standards.
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#146 Peredith
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[QUOTE="Peredith"]

THHBO

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Aren't you a hermit? :?

Manticore. :)

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#147 aroxx_ab
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] That doesn't even make sense.parkurtommo

We going by score right, it is no chance in hell the sloppy PC version will score higher than console version

Of course not, because PC has higher standards.

So what is it you not get then?

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#148 cfstar
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Well, i'll still get it. If for nothing else i'll prefer the PC control, and completely stable frame rate is more than enough to attract me.

Who cares? I played this game a year ago, it was good, but overhyped by hipsters.

lol @Hermits

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lol, people still think the word hipster has any meaning?
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#149 QQabitmoar
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From: Ports DS to PC, adds some content that was planned for console DLC, no KB/M support, locks FPS and resolution, bad optimisation, 100% pure laziness or incompetence.

CDPR: Ports TW2 to 360, makes a new lighting engine to make it work on 360, tons of new content, optimised controls, optimised performance.

From has released games on PC in the past.

CDPR has never released a single title on 360 in the past.

Dev incompetence/laziness. Hopefully the modding community will fix their pirate bait of a game.

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#150 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

We going by score right, it is no chance in hell the sloppy PC version will score higher than console version

aroxx_ab

Of course not, because PC has higher standards.

So what is it you not get then?

dear god... No. just no.