Dark Souls PC post-embargo impressions [30fps, locked 1024x720]

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#201 DJ_Headshot
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Feel bad for anyone who preorded this garbage port worth $5 at most that's even worse then the binary domain port mouse control is horrible in that game but you can run it at 1080p and 60fps and with a 360 controller controls are as good as on consoles. I can't help but wonder if they did this on purpose to purposely destroy a large chunk of potential sales and then go around and blame piracy for not releasing any future games on pc or can Japanese devs really be that bad at programming for pc?

I could tolerate 30fps for this type of game its not a deal breaker obviously though much better if It could run at 60+fps like almost all other pc games but being limited to1024x720 is and there's zero reason a 3D PC game to be resolution locked in 2012. If there is a fix in the future to increase the resolution though I'll buy it once it goes on sale on steam for a lower price but its current state not worth it to me.

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#202 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

From has historically been console....

Still the complaints havent been vocal enough, showing in their eyes its only a minority.Could also go out on a limb and blame Namco aswell might aswell.

It all reeks of stop gap project before they start the next game.Froms pretty stretched as a developer aswell im sure.

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When 99% of Pc games offer some sort of graphical option, it doesn't make sense as to why they would think it is okay to lock a game to a console's specifications. All they would have had to do is include resolution changes, AA, and V sync and everyone would have been perfectly fine with that. Now people are going to not buy it because it is an awful port and that will send a message to Namco Bandai that it was not worth it even though it is their fault.

First begging for something, then not buying it, it honestly seems as if Froms been told get it to a shippable state within say 4 months, its not gonna be just as easy when your engines built round these fixed hardware like the forced 720p might be a core area of the engine itself in how it handles things graphically and cant be changed.

It seems more like a case of they done it cause people wanted it, but in the end they cant totally fulfill this because of how the games engine itself is designed.

Then inevitable complaints dark souls 2 isnt on PC will end up happening because nobody bought this one aswell, theres a lot of negatives to the attitudes possesed by some folks in this topic.I'd honestly say that you people are honestly graphics whores and if your not going to pick up a game because it lacks anti aliasing shows how shallow some folks really are these days.

Or the fact people have too much nowadays, this is one of the few games that if the FPS is stable and i've heard it is then whats not to like if its your kinda game then more power to you theres more content, graphics rank low on the souls games anyway they have never been nout special.

Mweh thats maybe just me i just enjoy getting down and playign the game.I enjoyed R6V back in the day and it had similar issues.

Well I am still buying it, I'm just not thrilled with how this looks like it will be on of the worst ports ever. If From was not able to handle the port job, they could have outsourced it to a more competent dev. Even though that would cost more, I guarantee they would sell more copies shipping out a proper PC game than a game that barely meets console performance standards.

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#203 jjccjj92
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[QUOTE="jwsoul"]Well looks like PC only owners crying its trash are going to miss one of the best games in recent years. To bad it really is excellent. AdrianWerner

Nah, most will just wait till it's 5$ on Steam sale. It's a game worth playing, even in such res, but all the technical problems mean people won't feel the need to get it the moment it's avaible.

And then maybe if it performs poorly enough financially, FromSoftware will realize what a group of entitled babies PC gamers are and they won't bother releasing the next Souls game on the platform at all. And you'll have no one to blame but yourselves.

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#204 BeardMaster
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"] When 99% of Pc games offer some sort of graphical option, it doesn't make sense as to why they would think it is okay to lock a game to a console's specifications. All they would have had to do is include resolution changes, AA, and V sync and everyone would have been perfectly fine with that. Now people are going to not buy it because it is an awful port and that will send a message to Namco Bandai that it was not worth it even though it is their fault.BPoole96

First begging for something, then not buying it, it honestly seems as if Froms been told get it to a shippable state within say 4 months, its not gonna be just as easy when your engines built round these fixed hardware like the forced 720p might be a core area of the engine itself in how it handles things graphically and cant be changed.

It seems more like a case of they done it cause people wanted it, but in the end they cant totally fulfill this because of how the games engine itself is designed.

Then inevitable complaints dark souls 2 isnt on PC will end up happening because nobody bought this one aswell, theres a lot of negatives to the attitudes possesed by some folks in this topic.I'd honestly say that you people are honestly graphics whores and if your not going to pick up a game because it lacks anti aliasing shows how shallow some folks really are these days.

Or the fact people have too much nowadays, this is one of the few games that if the FPS is stable and i've heard it is then whats not to like if its your kinda game then more power to you theres more content, graphics rank low on the souls games anyway they have never been nout special.

Mweh thats maybe just me i just enjoy getting down and playign the game.I enjoyed R6V back in the day and it had similar issues.

Well I am still buying it, I'm just not thrilled with how this looks like it will be on of the worst ports ever. If From was not able to handle the port job, they could have outsourced it to a more competent dev. Even though that would cost more, I guarantee they would sell more copies shipping out a proper PC game than a game that barely meets console performance standards.

they had no plans to ever make a PC version. and the games were never very technically impressive, even on consoles (ran like crap). It was always a series based 100% on gameplay.
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#205 Mcspanky37
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They should just delay it 3-4 months.

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#206 RyviusARC
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Ironbash"]Its because japanese devs never do PC ports? There is no such thing as a PC gaming market in Japan. BeardMaster

Not true. Most publishers have specialized japanese pc teams and they often even make pc exclusives. THeyre's also a vibrant indie community. So the "japanese devs don't make pc games excuse" doesn't work. It's not japanese gaming industry, it's just From Software programmers that suck and are completely incompetent. Sorry, From Software has no excuses. They just suck.

right but you see the flipside of the coin? PC gamers begged and petitioned for this game, so from software went out of their way and wasted money to make it available on the PC... and the PC gamers just complained about it and didnt buy it. I knew this would happen from the getgo. PC gamers are very entitled and want everything catered to them, while making up an incredibly small portion of software revenue.

Maybe if you were a PC gamer you would understand. The only big complaint is that the resolution is locked which has never been seen except for some games a decade back. This is something even a individual amateur game dev can do and yet they couldn't.
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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Not true. Most publishers have specialized japanese pc teams and they often even make pc exclusives. THeyre's also a vibrant indie community. So the "japanese devs don't make pc games excuse" doesn't work. It's not japanese gaming industry, it's just From Software programmers that suck and are completely incompetent. Sorry, From Software has no excuses. They just suck.RyviusARC

right but you see the flipside of the coin? PC gamers begged and petitioned for this game, so from software went out of their way and wasted money to make it available on the PC... and the PC gamers just complained about it and didnt buy it. I knew this would happen from the getgo. PC gamers are very entitled and want everything catered to them, while making up an incredibly small portion of software revenue.

Maybe if you were a PC gamer you would understand. The only big complaint is that the resolution is locked which has never been seen except for some games a decade back. This is something even a individual amateur game dev can do and yet they couldn't.

This!

1080p on the PC is a basic standard,you don't demand it,it's just there,you take it for granted.Not fullfiling it could be comparable to a console dev making a console game that doesn't have a controller support.No "entitlement" of any kind here.

OK,maybe not THAT bad,but you get the idea.Consolites may run around making excuses,but the cold hard truth is,From Software handled this whole situation in a very incompetent manner.And incompetence doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

I'm giving $5 for this game at most,and only in case a group of modders brings the whole mess under control.

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#208 BeardMaster
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[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="BeardMaster"] right but you see the flipside of the coin? PC gamers begged and petitioned for this game, so from software went out of their way and wasted money to make it available on the PC... and the PC gamers just complained about it and didnt buy it. I knew this would happen from the getgo. PC gamers are very entitled and want everything catered to them, while making up an incredibly small portion of software revenue.

Rocker6

Maybe if you were a PC gamer you would understand. The only big complaint is that the resolution is locked which has never been seen except for some games a decade back. This is something even a individual amateur game dev can do and yet they couldn't.

This!

1080p on the PC is a basic standard,you don't demand it,it's just there,you take it for granted.Not fullfiling it could be comparable to a console dev making a console game that doesn't have a controller support.No "entitlement" of any kind here.

OK,maybe not THAT bad,but you get the idea.Consolites may run around making excuses,but the cold hard truth is,From Software is an incompetent game developer.And incompetence doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

I'm giving $5 for this game at most,and only in case a group of modders brings the whole mess under control.

i thought someone said it wasnt really locked at 720p earlier in the thread? and im a PC gamer too. I understand that not having 1080p seems silly, i just thought i read someone say earlier that wasnt actually the case... and PC gamers were just complaining about it being unoptimized, when the console version is also terrible unoptimized. Maybe i just glanced over the posts too quickly, its actually locked at 720p?
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#209 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"] Maybe if you were a PC gamer you would understand. The only big complaint is that the resolution is locked which has never been seen except for some games a decade back. This is something even a individual amateur game dev can do and yet they couldn't.BeardMaster

This!

1080p on the PC is a basic standard,you don't demand it,it's just there,you take it for granted.Not fullfiling it could be comparable to a console dev making a console game that doesn't have a controller support.No "entitlement" of any kind here.

OK,maybe not THAT bad,but you get the idea.Consolites may run around making excuses,but the cold hard truth is,From Software is an incompetent game developer.And incompetence doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

I'm giving $5 for this game at most,and only in case a group of modders brings the whole mess under control.

i thought someone said it wasnt really locked at 720p earlier in the thread? and im a PC gamer too. I understand that not having 1080p seems silly, i just thought i read someone say earlier that wasnt actually the case... and PC gamers were just complaining about it being unoptimized, when the console version is also terrible unoptimized. Maybe i just glanced over the posts too quickly, its actually locked at 720p?

Glad you understand.Yes,the resolution is locked at 720p.Here:

There's also something curious about the resolution too in that there's no change in clarity when attempting to crank up the settings. On close inspection, it appears that Dark Souls PC uses the very same 1024x720 internal framebuffer as the console versions, regardless of which resolution has been set in the menus. The option provided is for output resolution only; a simple courtesy to allow the game to play on most monitors, but the image quality will always remain the same. In short, PC gamers will very much be getting the genuine console experience here, right down to the pixel.

Source:The link in the OP.

Now,I can deal with 30 FPS.I can deal with having to plug in a controller for optimal experience.I can even deal with GFWL.But not allowing 1080p on the PC is crossing the line!

I know we couldn't expect a stellar port here,but there are some standards that should be always upholded.Even the worst ports I ever played like Force Unleashed,GTA4 on release,etc,had 1080p support.

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#210 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

No 1080p? hermits am cry

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The 30fps lock is a much worse thing. PC gamers prefer a smoother game over a better looking game.

30 fps is friggin smooth.
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#211 BeardMaster
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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

This!

1080p on the PC is a basic standard,you don't demand it,it's just there,you take it for granted.Not fullfiling it could be comparable to a console dev making a console game that doesn't have a controller support.No "entitlement" of any kind here.

OK,maybe not THAT bad,but you get the idea.Consolites may run around making excuses,but the cold hard truth is,From Software is an incompetent game developer.And incompetence doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

I'm giving $5 for this game at most,and only in case a group of modders brings the whole mess under control.

Rocker6

i thought someone said it wasnt really locked at 720p earlier in the thread? and im a PC gamer too. I understand that not having 1080p seems silly, i just thought i read someone say earlier that wasnt actually the case... and PC gamers were just complaining about it being unoptimized, when the console version is also terrible unoptimized. Maybe i just glanced over the posts too quickly, its actually locked at 720p?

Glad you understand.Yes,the resolution is locked at 720p.Here:

There's also something curious about the resolution too in that there's no change in clarity when attempting to crank up the settings. On close inspection, it appears that Dark Souls PC uses the very same 1024x720 internal framebuffer as the console versions, regardless of which resolution has been set in the menus. The option provided is for output resolution only; a simple courtesy to allow the game to play on most monitors, but the image quality will always remain the same. In short, PC gamers will very much be getting the genuine console experience here, right down to the pixel.

Source:The link in the OP.

Now,I can deal with 30 FPS.I can deal with having to plug in a controller for optimal experience.I can even deal with GFWL.But not allowing 1080p on the PC is crossing the line!

I know we couldn't expect a stellar port here,but there are some standards that should be always upholded.Even the worst ports I ever played like Force Unleashed,GTA4 on release,etc,had 1080p support.

well to be honest thats just from software, gamers wanted streamlined online play... they wanted tons of things... and from software refused to listen to anything the console players were asking for when they made dark souls. so i cant say im surprised, the fact that they even listened to Pc gamers at all is kinda amazing.
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[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="BeardMaster"] right but you see the flipside of the coin? PC gamers begged and petitioned for this game, so from software went out of their way and wasted money to make it available on the PC... and the PC gamers just complained about it and didnt buy it. I knew this would happen from the getgo. PC gamers are very entitled and want everything catered to them, while making up an incredibly small portion of software revenue.

Rocker6

Maybe if you were a PC gamer you would understand. The only big complaint is that the resolution is locked which has never been seen except for some games a decade back. This is something even a individual amateur game dev can do and yet they couldn't.

This!

1080p on the PC is a basic standard,you don't demand it,it's just there,you take it for granted.Not fullfiling it could be comparable to a console dev making a console game that doesn't have a controller support.No "entitlement" of any kind here.

OK,maybe not THAT bad,but you get the idea.Consolites may run around making excuses,but the cold hard truth is,From Software handled this whole situation in a very incompetent manner.And incompetence doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

I'm giving $5 for this game at most,and only in case a group of modders brings the whole mess under control.

1080i isnt a basic standard for everyone, thats a standard for you.Just thought i'd point that out theres probably PC gamers out there who plug along fine on lower resolutions.

Besides its silly saying that making a game for a console that doesnt have controller support cause y'know much like the KB and M its hardwired right into the machine at a low level in the whole scheme of things.

Besides as a few folk have said From's always been console centric and that isnt going to entirely help their case at the end of the day considering its all built from the ground up with the consoles in mind from the beginning of developement, in the most true sense this is a console port where as most multiplat games are built with PC in mind this wasnt thats one key thing to remember.

Not everything meshes together like they should when it comes to actually sitting down with the game itself adn getting the porting done, the engine itself for all we know might not have v-sync or AA systems in it on the ground level.

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#213 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"] Maybe if you were a PC gamer you would understand. The only big complaint is that the resolution is locked which has never been seen except for some games a decade back. This is something even a individual amateur game dev can do and yet they couldn't.razgriz_101

This!

1080p on the PC is a basic standard,you don't demand it,it's just there,you take it for granted.Not fullfiling it could be comparable to a console dev making a console game that doesn't have a controller support.No "entitlement" of any kind here.

OK,maybe not THAT bad,but you get the idea.Consolites may run around making excuses,but the cold hard truth is,From Software handled this whole situation in a very incompetent manner.And incompetence doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

I'm giving $5 for this game at most,and only in case a group of modders brings the whole mess under control.

1080i isnt a basic standard for everyone, thats a standard for you.Just thought i'd point that out theres probably PC gamers out there who plug along fine on lower resolutions.

Besides its silly saying that making a game for a console that doesnt have controller support cause y'know much like the KB and M its hardwired right into the machine at a low level in the whole scheme of things.

Besides as a few folk have said From's always been console centric and that isnt going to entirely help their case at the end of the day considering its all built from the ground up with the consoles in mind from the beginning of developement, in the most true sense this is a console port where as most multiplat games are built with PC in mind this wasnt thats one key thing to remember.

Not everything meshes together like they should when it comes to actually sitting down with the game itself adn getting the porting done, the engine itself for all we know might not have v-sync or AA systems in it on the ground level.

Then don't port the game at all.Don't waste resources.Come clean,say "We apologize,this game is entirely console-centric down to the lowest level,and simply isn't suited to PC architecture,without costly and lengthy adjustments".I'd be happy with it,at least they're being honest with us.

Also,it seems I misworded the part about 1080p a bit.What I should've said,1080p being AVAILIBLE as an OPTION is a standard in modern PC games.Can your argue with that?

And I said the part about controller shouldn't be taken seriously.

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#214 RyviusARC
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"] Maybe if you were a PC gamer you would understand. The only big complaint is that the resolution is locked which has never been seen except for some games a decade back. This is something even a individual amateur game dev can do and yet they couldn't.razgriz_101

This!

1080p on the PC is a basic standard,you don't demand it,it's just there,you take it for granted.Not fullfiling it could be comparable to a console dev making a console game that doesn't have a controller support.No "entitlement" of any kind here.

OK,maybe not THAT bad,but you get the idea.Consolites may run around making excuses,but the cold hard truth is,From Software handled this whole situation in a very incompetent manner.And incompetence doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

I'm giving $5 for this game at most,and only in case a group of modders brings the whole mess under control.

1080i isnt a basic standard for everyone, thats a standard for you.Just thought i'd point that out theres probably PC gamers out there who plug along fine on lower resolutions.

Besides its silly saying that making a game for a console that doesnt have controller support cause y'know much like the KB and M its hardwired right into the machine at a low level in the whole scheme of things.

Besides as a few folk have said From's always been console centric and that isnt going to entirely help their case at the end of the day considering its all built from the ground up with the consoles in mind from the beginning of developement, in the most true sense this is a console port where as most multiplat games are built with PC in mind this wasnt thats one key thing to remember.

Not everything meshes together like they should when it comes to actually sitting down with the game itself adn getting the porting done, the engine itself for all we know might not have v-sync or AA systems in it on the ground level.

The point is that even a newbie game dev can make his game support custom resolutions. It wouldn't take much to add the option which is why every game I have played in the last decade or so allows for custom resolutions. They could of hired someone for very cheap to do the job or they could do it themselves. If they weren't knowledgeable enough to do it then they wouldn't have been able to create a game in the first place. This is lazy.
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#215 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

This!

1080p on the PC is a basic standard,you don't demand it,it's just there,you take it for granted.Not fullfiling it could be comparable to a console dev making a console game that doesn't have a controller support.No "entitlement" of any kind here.

OK,maybe not THAT bad,but you get the idea.Consolites may run around making excuses,but the cold hard truth is,From Software handled this whole situation in a very incompetent manner.And incompetence doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

I'm giving $5 for this game at most,and only in case a group of modders brings the whole mess under control.

Rocker6

1080i isnt a basic standard for everyone, thats a standard for you.Just thought i'd point that out theres probably PC gamers out there who plug along fine on lower resolutions.

Besides its silly saying that making a game for a console that doesnt have controller support cause y'know much like the KB and M its hardwired right into the machine at a low level in the whole scheme of things.

Besides as a few folk have said From's always been console centric and that isnt going to entirely help their case at the end of the day considering its all built from the ground up with the consoles in mind from the beginning of developement, in the most true sense this is a console port where as most multiplat games are built with PC in mind this wasnt thats one key thing to remember.

Not everything meshes together like they should when it comes to actually sitting down with the game itself adn getting the porting done, the engine itself for all we know might not have v-sync or AA systems in it on the ground level.

Then don't port the game at all.Don't waste resources.Come clean,say "We apologize,this game is entirely console-centric down to the lowest level,and simply isn't suited to PC architecture".I'd be happy with it,at least they're being honest with us.

Also,it seems I misworded the part about 1080p a bit.What I should've said,1080p being AVAILIBLE as an OPTION is a standard in modern PC games.Can your argue with that?

And I said the part about controller shouldn't be taken seriously.

Its a simple case of catch 22 for From here really, seems more like pressure from Namco in this case.

Port it and get hated.

Dont port it and be hated.

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#216 RyviusARC
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

1080i isnt a basic standard for everyone, thats a standard for you.Just thought i'd point that out theres probably PC gamers out there who plug along fine on lower resolutions.

Besides its silly saying that making a game for a console that doesnt have controller support cause y'know much like the KB and M its hardwired right into the machine at a low level in the whole scheme of things.

Besides as a few folk have said From's always been console centric and that isnt going to entirely help their case at the end of the day considering its all built from the ground up with the consoles in mind from the beginning of developement, in the most true sense this is a console port where as most multiplat games are built with PC in mind this wasnt thats one key thing to remember.

Not everything meshes together like they should when it comes to actually sitting down with the game itself adn getting the porting done, the engine itself for all we know might not have v-sync or AA systems in it on the ground level.

razgriz_101

Then don't port the game at all.Don't waste resources.Come clean,say "We apologize,this game is entirely console-centric down to the lowest level,and simply isn't suited to PC architecture".I'd be happy with it,at least they're being honest with us.

Also,it seems I misworded the part about 1080p a bit.What I should've said,1080p being AVAILIBLE as an OPTION is a standard in modern PC games.Can your argue with that?

And I said the part about controller shouldn't be taken seriously.

Its a simple case of catch 22 for From here really, seems more like pressure from Namco in this case.

Port it and get hated.

Dont port it and be hated.

RDR was never ported and people aren't foaming from the mouth.
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#217 Rocker6
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Its a simple case of catch 22 for From here really, seems more like pressure from Namco in this case.

Port it and get hated.

Dont port it and be hated.

razgriz_101

That is correct,although it's safe to say the second option leads to much less potential issues.

This port has a good chance of bringing losses to the developer,and if(when) that happens,piracy excuses will start showing up,which is negative for the PC platform in general...

What's the worst case about second option?

Some nerds raging on the Internet for a few weeks,a month max...

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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Then don't port the game at all.Don't waste resources.Come clean,say "We apologize,this game is entirely console-centric down to the lowest level,and simply isn't suited to PC architecture".I'd be happy with it,at least they're being honest with us.

Also,it seems I misworded the part about 1080p a bit.What I should've said,1080p being AVAILIBLE as an OPTION is a standard in modern PC games.Can your argue with that?

And I said the part about controller shouldn't be taken seriously.

RyviusARC

Its a simple case of catch 22 for From here really, seems more like pressure from Namco in this case.

Port it and get hated.

Dont port it and be hated.

RDR was never ported and people aren't foaming from the mouth.

That's because RDR isn't really that great of a game. Not nearly as good as Dark Souls is.
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#219 Rocker6
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[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Its a simple case of catch 22 for From here really, seems more like pressure from Namco in this case.

Port it and get hated.

Dont port it and be hated.

DragonfireXZ95

RDR was never ported and people aren't foaming from the mouth.

That's because RDR isn't really that great of a game. Not nearly as good as Dark Souls is.

That is subjective.General consensus says the game is great,it's well recieved both by critics,and gamers,as well as by me personally(played it on the PS3).

It's also one of the two console titles that I'm genuinly sad about not having on the PC.The other one is Heavy Rain...

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#220 BeardMaster
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="RyviusARC"] RDR was never ported and people aren't foaming from the mouth.Rocker6

That's because RDR isn't really that great of a game. Not nearly as good as Dark Souls is.

That is subjective.General consensus says the game is great,it's well recieved both by critics,and gamers,as well as by me personally(played it on the PS3).

It's also one of the two console titles that I'm genuinly sad about not having on the PC.The other one is Heavy Rain...

bit you also realize of all the player suggestions from demons souls, they implemented basically none of them in dark souls. from software just doesnt like listening to gamers.
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#221 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="RyviusARC"] RDR was never ported and people aren't foaming from the mouth.Rocker6

That's because RDR isn't really that great of a game. Not nearly as good as Dark Souls is.

That is subjective.General consensus says the game is great,it's well recieved both by critics,and gamers,as well as by me personally(played it on the PS3).

It's also one of the two console titles that I'm genuinly sad about not having on the PC.The other one is Heavy Rain...

Meh, I became bored with RDR pretty quickly(own it on PS3 also).
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#222 Mr_BillGates
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Inferior Japanese game developers confirmed.

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#223 Bangerman15
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wow sold my ps3 version to wait for this pos port too.. i wanted to play it in 1200p not this 720p bs :( 720p looks like crap when your face is 2-3ft away from a monitor
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#225 arto1223
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[QUOTE="arto1223"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

No 1080p? hermits am cry

-Unreal-

The 30fps lock is a much worse thing. PC gamers prefer a smoother game over a better looking game.

I'd much rather have it running at 1080p than ":lol:1024x720:lol:"

Well, I guess since it isn't a game from the first person perspective and fast turning isn't a huge thing in DS, 1080 would be better than 60fps. In most case though, I would take the higher framerate over the higher resolution.

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#226 santoron
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Blech. 30 fps I figured, but 1024x720? That's dumb. I know the PC isn't their cup of tea, but that's unacceptable.

Oh well. A few teenage modders will have this running in full HD within a week of release, and a high res texture pack a week later. And From Software will label them sorcerers:lol:.

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#227 ActionRemix
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I'm guessing the animations are all 30fps and they don't want to add in more frames/redesign their system to interpolate.

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#228 santoron
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I'm guessing the animations are all 30fps and they don't want to add in more frames/redesign their system to interpolate.

ActionRemix

Yup, and seeing as the PC port wasn't even considered until after release, I can understand that. But one "quasi-720p" resolution shows their laziness or incompetence.

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#229 Goyoshi12
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As long as I can play it eventually I couldn't care less about the graphics settings.

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#231 jwsoul
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[QUOTE="jwsoul"]Well looks like PC only owners crying its trash are going to miss one of the best games in recent years. To bad it really is excellent. AdrianWerner

Nah, most will just wait till it's 5$ on Steam sale. It's a game worth playing, even in such res, but all the technical problems mean people won't feel the need to get it the moment it's avaible.

Shame it deserves to be brought the moment its available. To bad they alienated there audience with this port :(
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#232 -Unreal-
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="jwsoul"]Well looks like PC only owners crying its trash are going to miss one of the best games in recent years. To bad it really is excellent. jwsoul

Nah, most will just wait till it's 5$ on Steam sale. It's a game worth playing, even in such res, but all the technical problems mean people won't feel the need to get it the moment it's avaible.

Shame it deserves to be brought the moment its available. To bad they alienated there audience with this port :(

It deserves to be brought to bad? Who is bad? Is it a place? Where is bad?
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#233 ActionRemix
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^funny man

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#234 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="arto1223"]

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

No 1080p? hermits am cry

MBirdy88

The 30fps lock is a much worse thing. PC gamers prefer a smoother game over a better looking game.

30 fps is friggin smooth.

lol nop

i need 120+fps at all times

or no play

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#235 WithoutGraceXII
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Sucks, but if the framerate is steady and the new content is substantial enough I'll prolly pick it up. I still have nightmares about fighting those big bone creatures in Lost Izalith at negative 5 fps.

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#236 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Its a simple case of catch 22 for From here really, seems more like pressure from Namco in this case.

Port it and get hated.

Dont port it and be hated.

DragonfireXZ95
RDR was never ported and people aren't foaming from the mouth.

That's because RDR isn't really that great of a game. Not nearly as good as Dark Souls is.

Still etxremely good. The best game R* has made imo.
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#237 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="arto1223"]

The 30fps lock is a much worse thing. PC gamers prefer a smoother game over a better looking game.

JigglyWiggly_

30 fps is friggin smooth.

lol nop

i need 120+fps at all times

or no play

... the f*ck? well, you're obviously being sarcastic :P
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#238 mitu123
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well, you're obviously being sarcastic :Pparkurtommo
I don't think so seeing how he has a 120mhz monitor.:o

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#239 kozzy1234
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The 30 FPS thing I could tolerate, thats not to HUGE of a deal... but the locked reoslution is a slap in the face to pc gamers, period.

Can someone name the last PC game that had a locked resolution of 1024x768??
I go to my RESOLUTION display on my PC and that is the second lowest resolution I can select out of 14 options!

Just lazy devs that is it, period.

Good games but not worth this kind of lazy ass port.

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#240 jun_aka_pekto
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The 30 FPS thing I could tolerate, thats not to HUGE of a deal... but the locked reoslution is a slap in the face to pc gamers, period.

Can someone name the last PC game that had a locked resolution of 1024x768??
I go to my RESOLUTION display on my PC and that is the second lowest resolution I can select out of 14 options!

Just lazy devs that is it, period.

Good games but not worth this kind of lazy ass port.

kozzy1234

Ummm. Sacred Gold (2004)? :lol:

No fix and it hates Intel graphics.

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#241 kozzy1234
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

The 30 FPS thing I could tolerate, thats not to HUGE of a deal... but the locked reoslution is a slap in the face to pc gamers, period.

Can someone name the last PC game that had a locked resolution of 1024x768??
I go to my RESOLUTION display on my PC and that is the second lowest resolution I can select out of 14 options!

Just lazy devs that is it, period.

Good games but not worth this kind of lazy ass port.

jun_aka_pekto

Ummm. Sacred Gold (2004)? :lol:

No fix and it hates Intel graphics.

Over 8 years ago :lol:

I like this series but if we support this crappy port then other devs will think its ok to do a half asses job like this.

I mean locked resolution? you serious??? :?

After seeing how awesome Max Payen 3 pc version was and how Sleeping Dogs PC version is coming along and hwo much effort/features they have put into it, this just looks like a slap in the face to pc gamers.

No matter how great the game is, a locked resolution on PC is not the business imo!

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#242 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

The 30 FPS thing I could tolerate, thats not to HUGE of a deal... but the locked reoslution is a slap in the face to pc gamers, period.

Can someone name the last PC game that had a locked resolution of 1024x768??
I go to my RESOLUTION display on my PC and that is the second lowest resolution I can select out of 14 options!

Just lazy devs that is it, period.

Good games but not worth this kind of lazy ass port.

kozzy1234

Ummm. Sacred Gold (2004)? :lol:

No fix and it hates Intel graphics.

Over 8 years ago :lol:

I like this series but if we support this crappy port then other devs will think its ok to do a half asses job like this.

I mean locked resolution? you serious??? :?

After seeing how awesome Max Payen 3 pc version was and how Sleeping Dogs PC version is coming along and hwo much effort/features they have put into it, this just looks like a slap in the face to pc gamers.

No matter how great the game is, a locked resolution on PC is not the business imo!

I know. But c'mon. It's the same year Doom 3 and HL2 came out and look at those two handle widescreen and higher resolutions. I kinda like Sacred Gold even if I'm not a big RPG fan.

Sacred2012-01-0508-19-12-55.jpg

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#243 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Ummm. Sacred Gold (2004)? :lol:

No fix and it hates Intel graphics.

jun_aka_pekto

Over 8 years ago :lol:

I like this series but if we support this crappy port then other devs will think its ok to do a half asses job like this.

I mean locked resolution? you serious??? :?

After seeing how awesome Max Payen 3 pc version was and how Sleeping Dogs PC version is coming along and hwo much effort/features they have put into it, this just looks like a slap in the face to pc gamers.

No matter how great the game is, a locked resolution on PC is not the business imo!

I know. But c'mon. It's the same year Doom 3 and HL2 came out and look at those two handle widescreen and higher resolutions. I kinda like Sacred Gold even if I'm not a big RPG fan.

Sacred2012-01-0508-19-12-55.jpg

Sacred was awesome. I main battlemage too :D
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#244 jun_aka_pekto
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If Dark Souls is as good as its fans say it is, then, I can put up with the low resolution and hope From will make a better effort in the future.

I mean, I drool as much as anyone when faced with nice eye candy. But, I also play older games with so-so graphics.

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#245 clone01
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If Dark Souls is as good as its fans say it is, then, I can put up with the low resolution and hope From will make a better effort in the future.

I mean, I drool as much as anyone when faced with nice eye candy. But, I also play older games with so-so graphics.

jun_aka_pekto
You should definitely give a try. I'm terrible at the game, and I find the difficulty pretty crushing. But there's just something about it that makes it addictive. At any rate, sounds like the PC version has a steady frame rate, so that's good. Especially Blighttown. The frame rate in that area on consoles is pretty awful.
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#246 AdrianWerner
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Froms pretty stretched as a developer aswell im sure.

razgriz_101

From seems like a pretty terrible developer these days

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#247 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Ironbash"]Its because japanese devs never do PC ports? There is no such thing as a PC gaming market in Japan. BeardMaster

Not true. Most publishers have specialized japanese pc teams and they often even make pc exclusives. THeyre's also a vibrant indie community. So the "japanese devs don't make pc games excuse" doesn't work. It's not japanese gaming industry, it's just From Software programmers that suck and are completely incompetent. Sorry, From Software has no excuses. They just suck.

right but you see the flipside of the coin? PC gamers begged and petitioned for this game, so from software went out of their way and wasted money to make it available on the PC... and the PC gamers just complained about it and didnt buy it. I knew this would happen from the getgo. PC gamers are very entitled and want everything catered to them, while making up an incredibly small portion of software revenue.

I'm sorry, but such a terrible port deserves to sell like utter crap. Maybe next time they will think twice before doing such a horrible job. That's what everybody else who makes crappy ports does, they learn from mistakes. Unless From Software is composed of idiots they will learn their lesson too.

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#248 skrat_01
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"In short, PC gamers will very much be getting the genuine console experience here, right down to the pixel" Behold, a rare instance when a PC port is piratically identical to the console variety. Whelp, I hope modders somehow get to tinkering with the rendering resolution.
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#249 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="jwsoul"]Well looks like PC only owners crying its trash are going to miss one of the best games in recent years. To bad it really is excellent. jjccjj92

Nah, most will just wait till it's 5$ on Steam sale. It's a game worth playing, even in such res, but all the technical problems mean people won't feel the need to get it the moment it's avaible.

And then maybe if it performs poorly enough financially, FromSoftware will realize what a group of entitled babies PC gamers are and they won't bother releasing the next Souls game on the platform at all. And you'll have no one to blame but yourselves.

Riight..... and maybe reverse thing will happen. Maybe the problems won't stop Dark Souls from being a great seller on PC and then every other developer will realize they don't need to put any effort into making pc versions and from that point forward every multiplat on PC will be terrible. And then we'll have to blame ourself for that..if only we felt entitled enough to not make a crap like PC Dark Souls sell decently....

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#250 AdrianWerner
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1080i isnt a basic standard for everyone, thats a standard for yo

razgriz_101

Indeed. But 1366 x 768 is.