Dark Souls VS. The Witcher 2

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="Cloud567kar"]

No, just no...

juno84

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

No, it is not close, you cant replace a book with a few dialog choices

There is a bit of a difference between 10 pages of dialogs and 300 pages of a book

loosingENDS

a movie is typically 5 times shorter than a video game, and often times games (like MGS4 lol) have more storytelling than movies ..in addition to being interactive.

what choices did you make in the witcher 2 and how did your story unravel? did you use your save file from the original witcher game?
keep in mind, I voiced my opinion in this thread and I liked dark souls more...it's just that you souls fanboys often baffle me. almost as biased as it gets.

While i did like Withcer 2, i just found the gameplay a lot of linear and boring and the world and monster design and combat very basic, so i cant consider it anywhere close to Dark Souls just because of the story and two major choices that change the 3rd chapter a bit

I played it once, so i have only seen the aspect of joining the elves and did not import Withcer 1 saves, i had those erased for a long time

I plan to play the other way on the 360 version, since i played low on my non gaming PC and will look far better on 360, so i am saving the 2ond playthrough for xbox

There's a lot more to the game than its story, however, that's one of the best parts of the series. In comparison to other videogames, it's among the best in that aspect.

now I'm more of a gameplay based gamer anyways, which is why my genre of choice is danmaku shmups, but I definitely found the story and many parts in the game...incredible. But I'm more of a fan of the original witcher just as I'm more of a fan of demon's souls than dark souls.

[QUOTE="juno84"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Nice argument. Film has been around for a century, and the medium has had plenty of time to perfect it's storytelling. Games have only been around for a few decades and haven't even come close to other mediums in the way of storytelling. Saying otherwise is being highly disrespectful to the older mediums and what people have achieved with them over the decades.Master_ShakeXXX

the games you listed definitely have good stories (though I haven't played metroid prime yet, but it's in my backlog), but I think you really need to check something out like planescape: torment or xenogears.. have you at least played the original witcher? I'd rank that game pretty high as well.

Again,I´ve already seen a big chunk of Dark Souls to know that the core game is almost the same,while TW1 is in most ways completely diferent than TW2. So yeah,I just because I haven´t played it doesn´t meant that I´m blind,almost everything I saw from that playthrough is super similar to the first game,while if I look at TW1 and then at TW2,it´s not even close,it has obvious similarities but it hardly looks like the same game. Just because Dark doesn´t have world tendencies and it´s more open world,that doesn´t change the fact that the core experience is almost the same as Demon´s Souls,something that even reviewers state..

Arach666

[QUOTE="pcps360"][QUOTE="Arach666"] The difference is,TW is very different from TW2,especially regarding the gameplay,Dark Souls plays exactly like Demon´s Souls,and looks almost exactly like Demon´s Souls,even the hud is basically the same thing lol.

I´ve been watching Josh´s playthrough of Dark Souls on Justintv and if I didn´t knew better,I thought he was playing Demon´s Souls.

ducati101

How would you know how Demon's Soul is? It wasn't on the 360 and we all know your feelings towards other platforms ;) Still haven't gotten over Fable 3 flopping eh? Or KUF II getting cancelled on the 360? I prefer Demon's Soul to Dark Souls and I think the Witcher 2 is a better "RPG" than both.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Darth_Kane"]

The one that doesn't have a pathethic excuse for a story/plot. The one that actually has interesting characters and dialogue. The one where a single choice can change all the characters, quests and locations for the rest of the game

GD1551

I will take the one that has 1000x more fun, challenging, long and exiting gameplay and depth in combat and world design than linear stages and cut scenes, scripted "story changes" that games had for decades anyway and boring combat

Why do people keep saying dark souls gameplay is exciting? It's not. It's engaging but I don't really get excited playing it, NG and Bayonetta are exciting games. Also there's no depth in dark soul's combat, stop saying that. The depth comes from the amount of gear options available to you allowing you to handle situations completely differently.

Witcher2 is RPGOTY for me(so far)

[QUOTE="juno84"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Nice argument. Film has been around for a century, and the medium has had plenty of time to perfect it's storytelling. Games have only been around for a few decades and haven't even come close to other mediums in the way of storytelling. Saying otherwise is being highly disrespectful to the older mediums and what people have achieved with them over the decades.Master_ShakeXXX

uhhh my playthrough of the witcher 2 was a little over 50 hours and I barely touched any of the sidequests...
what choices did you make in your playthrough of the witcher 2? did you play the game on easy? even on easy not doing any sidequests the game should take 35-40 hours, but that's definitely not as much as dark souls.

Some-Mist

That's with anything though. There's crappy books, crappy movies, crappy games, etc. Just saying that video games have yet to even compare with the quality of storytelling in other mediums, and I'm not sure if they ever will.Master_ShakeXXX

And the story and execution of it in a game is not of the same quality as a good movie or book.loosingENDS

Umm..no.. Witcher 2's story and it's execution is better than anything movies have ever managed to achieve in fantasy genre and it's on the level of good (not great, but good) novel.

Plus please...generally stories in movies are nowhere near the level of the ones found in books, but people still watch movies.

What was so completly different ? They were different, but the major areas etc are still same

loosingENDS

Nice argument. Film has been around for a century, and the medium has had plenty of time to perfect it's storytelling. Games have only been around for a few decades and haven't even come close to other mediums in the way of storytelling. Saying otherwise is being highly disrespectful to the older mediums and what people have achieved with them over the decades.Master_ShakeXXX

Nobody is being disrespectful to the older mediums. We all enjoy movies. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Doesn't the fact that video games being a new medium gives them a plus though? They are catching up quite fast considering how new they are in the game. Don't forget that video games are the only medium that can deliver interactive storytelling. It makes the story more personal by letting you choose your character, making choices (or the illusion of them), it lets you travel around and discover places and characters at your own pace. That's something neither a book nor a movie offers. It's not at the same level with the older mediums yet but who knows what the future will bring. As a medium it has great potential.

[QUOTE="juno84"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"] Nice argument. Film has been around for a century, and the medium has had plenty of time to perfect it's storytelling. Games have only been around for a few decades and haven't even come close to other mediums in the way of storytelling. Saying otherwise is being highly disrespectful to the older mediums and what people have achieved with them over the decades.Master_ShakeXXX

You have no idea what your talking about.

Witcher 2 is a better game

I played Dark Souls right after The Witcher 2 and I would say they are pretty equal

Dark Souls has better combat, bosses, upgrades, and allows NG+

The Witcher 2 has better characters, dialogue, story, and graphics

They tie for atmosphere

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="pcps360"] oh interesting, so, I played TW1, dull as hell, but I should know TW2 is duller because they are so similar even though I never TW2. Best logic in the world pcps360

I´ve been watching Josh´s playthrough of Dark Souls on Justintv and if I didn´t knew better,I thought he was playing Demon´s Souls.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

uhhh my playthrough of the witcher 2 was a little over 50 hours and I barely touched any of the sidequests...
what choices did you make in your playthrough of the witcher 2? did you play the game on easy? even on easy not doing any sidequests the game should take 35-40 hours, but that's definitely not as much as dark souls.

Grawse

for instance, my dark souls playthrough took 75 hours but many people are beating it in 40-60. I typically take my time :O

[QUOTE="pcps360"][QUOTE="Arach666"] The difference is,TW is very different from TW2,especially regarding the gameplay,Dark Souls plays exactly like Demon´s Souls,and looks almost exactly like Demon´s Souls,even the hud is basically the same thing lol.

I´ve been watching Josh´s playthrough of Dark Souls on Justintv and if I didn´t knew better,I thought he was playing Demon´s Souls.

Chutebox

It's funny how no one even talks about Witcher 2 anymore. People were still talking about Demon's Souls two years after release.

It's funny how no one even talks about Witcher 2 anymore. People were still talking about Demon's Souls two years after release.

jjccjj92

sense, this does not make. It's best to let this thread die, there's a fine line between obvious fanboyism and plain ignorance coupled with misguided hate just because a game is on another platform. A lot of posters crossed that line. Then again, this is system wars, how dare I expect anything more. Keep in mind I am not insulting anyone here, I just don't want to end up in a childish argument all because of a video game. I like dark souls but some of you fans take things too far --(thrashing witcher 2 for having a story, wtf?) hope you guys never find your way to the pc boards and make such claims.

Have fun folks.

Skyrim is the real answer here.

But if it was just between these two than I would say the Witcher.

It's funny how no one even talks about Witcher 2 anymore. People were still talking about Demon's Souls two years after release.

jjccjj92

It's funny how no one even talks about Witcher 2 anymore. People were still talking about Demon's Souls two years after release.

jjccjj92

Indeed, in GAF Dark Souls has reached a 3rd thread of discussion, in comparisson Demons Souls had reached a second thread in its entire life

Which was huge too

Also Dark Souls got the 9.5/10 in Gamespot despite the frame rate drops and the standard visuals

Imagine what score it would get if like Withcer 2 has no frame rate problems and far better visuals, 200/10 or something

There is no comparisson between the two for me, both are great but Dark Souls is a 1000x better, with far better combat (actually infinitly better), more freedom, better NPCs, far better level design, far better monster design and bosses and is generally more fun, rewarding and challenging to play imo and 5x longer too

There is no comparisson between the two for me, both are great but Dark Souls is a 1000x better, with far better combat (actually infinitly better), more freedom, better NPCs, far better level design, far better monster design and bosses and is generally more fun, rewarding and challenging to play imo and 5x longer too

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

There is no comparisson between the two for me, both are great but Dark Souls is a 1000x better, with far better combat (actually infinitly better), more freedom, better NPCs, far better level design, far better monster design and bosses and is generally more fun, rewarding and challenging to play imo and 5x longer too

AdrianWerner

That is how i feel about it, it is not hyperbole, i have lost almost all desire to play Skyrim now that i have Dark Souls

That is how i feel about it, it is not hyperbole, i have lost almost all desire to play Skyrim now that i have Dark Souls

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

That is how i feel about it, it is not hyperbole, i have lost almost all desire to play Skyrim now that i have Dark Souls

AdrianWerner

Funny how a few people think their opinions are better than anyone elses though, hint, they are not

Funny how a few people think their opinions are better than anyone elses though, hint, they are not

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Funny how a few people think their opinions are better than anyone elses though, hint, they are not

AdrianWerner

And i dont have a problem with that really, i always stand by my opinions no matter the case

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

That is how i feel about it, it is not hyperbole, i have lost almost all desire to play Skyrim now that i have Dark Souls

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

That is how i feel about it, it is not hyperbole, i have lost almost all desire to play Skyrim now that i have Dark Souls

jjccjj92

[QUOTE="jjccjj92"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]The way you are feeling is why nobody treats your opinions as worthy of consideration. That's just the fate of extreme fanboys.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="jjccjj92"]Nothing he said is hyperbole. The monster design, boss battles, and combat are pretty much unmatched in the genre. Witcher 2's combat in particular feels like garbage compared to Dark Souls.

jjccjj92

No hyberboles here, right? ;)

Both those games are amazing and both are a must-have for any RPG fan, but I cant honestly decide which one is atucally better...

[QUOTE="jjccjj92"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Nah, stuff like "1000x more fun" is hyberbole. Your comment about Witcher 2 combat being garbage also is hyberbole :)

AdrianWerner

No hyberboles here, right? ;)

So no, none of that is hyperbole, just ignorance and misinformed opinions.

*insert condescending wink here*

You do realize Dark Souls isn't an RPG and pretty much no informed person regards it as one? And that Dark Souls' and ToEE's combat styles are completely disparate?

So no, none of that is hyperbole, just ignorance and misinformed opinions.

jjccjj92

The Witcher 2 was great but really short. Main quest is under 20 hours.

If the Witcher 2 wasn't so short then it would be: Demon Souls>Witcher 2>Dark Souls

Pray_to_me

Witchers 2 20hrs felt short because you not die that often, i heard you can complete Dark Souls in 1,5hrs if not dying..... :lol:

[QUOTE="ducati101"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] Hahahaha, that's such a great joke. In fact, your joke is based upon a joke! (Hint: Dragon Age 2 is a joke)ryangcnx-2

Actually I'm gonna back this up. Dragon Age II is a good game. It doesn't deserve this flak its getting for some reason, so what, they reused some enviroment designs. The combat was pretty much the same but speed up, the characters were interesting, I liked having the main character voiced, the story they used was interesting and I dunno why everyone loves to hate on it.

It wasn't a terrible game, but it's not a patch on the first one. That's why it gets a lot of flak, it made no improvements over the first one. More like it took a few steps back.

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

The Witcher 2 was great but really short. Main quest is under 20 hours.

If the Witcher 2 wasn't so short then it would be: Demon Souls>Witcher 2>Dark Souls

aroxx_ab

Witchers 2 20hrs felt short because you not die that often, i heard you can complete Dark Souls in 1,5hrs if not dying..... :lol:

20 hours? It took my about 30 hours each time I played it.

The Witcher 2 was great but really short. Main quest is under 20 hours.

If the Witcher 2 wasn't so short then it would be: Demon Souls>Witcher 2>Dark Souls

Pray_to_me

Dude, dark and demons souls are much alike in gameplay. You cant argue this....Chutebox

[QUOTE="pcps360"][QUOTE="ducati101"]

How would you know how Demon's Soul is? It wasn't on the 360 and we all know your feelings towards other platforms ;) Still haven't gotten over Fable 3 flopping eh? Or KUF II getting cancelled on the 360? I prefer Demon's Soul to Dark Souls and I think the Witcher 2 is a better "RPG" than both.

ducati101

Oh give it up, we all now who you are. All these alt accounts aren't fooling anyone! Learn to spell, it's a dead give away ;)

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Dude, dark and demons souls are much alike in gameplay. You cant argue this....pcps360

other than not being able to use a catalyst for fire spells (fire has always been a separate property from the other magic), how did they overhaul the spell combat system??

'hundreds' of new weapons doesn't change the fact that the gameplay is nearly identical. what do you mean by mage c lass?? there was a priest and royal class in demon's souls....both of which were magic classes...not like the c lasses matter anyways with the exception of starting stat distribution and equips.

I get the feeling you haven't played demon's souls....or dark souls... or both. The only point you have is the world structure, but the bonfires act just as a nexus would anyways..consider it a 'moving nexus'.

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for the record I think dark souls is awesome, and I'm a huge fan of both souls games. just please don't associate or think thatany of these biased posters represent the fans of dark souls as a whole.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="pcps360"] The difference is I play both and you haven't. for one, yet the wticher1 n 2's charter by charpter,and the converation driven mechanics are the same, for two Demon's souls is nothing like dark souls, start from world structure to combat system overhaul, so why comment on an object you clearly have no knowledge of? Some-Mist