Dead Or Alive tone down objectification of womans (you pigs)

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#51 lamprey263
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One reason I can also see it smart to tone down the sexualization of the DoA games is possibly worry people might not take it seriously as a top notch fighting series if it appears it is simply pandering to baser interests. That being said, not assuming in least that is their intention, maybe they are just saving the sexiest stuff as DLC, last game certainly had a crap-ton of that, and if they made lots of money on that (I have no idea), I can't see them abandoning that.

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#52 TryIt
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I think its all 'manufacturing controversy'

either part of or result of.

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#53 Paradocs
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@EnergyAbsorber said:

Sales for this game will probably bomb without the big bouncing boobies.

Then the devs will realize they made a mistake and go back to what the fans want with “fan service” when they make the next sequel (DOA7).

Just imagine DOA7 for PS5 and Xbox Scarlett with much better graphics and extra fan service (big bouncing boobies in your face) etc.

If that's the case, there probaly wouldn't be a Dead or Alive 7, they'd probably decide to start from scratch with a new game that isn't centered around jiggle physics. lol

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#54 deactivated-5c18005f903a1
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Has anyone mentioned SJWs yet?

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#55 lundy86_4
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I feel it's always been overplayed for comical effect, which is cool. Bleh... But not thew biggest issue... Unless they go full cover.

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#56 TryIt
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@boycie said:

Has anyone mentioned SJWs yet?

plenty of times.

The idea is basically that its ok to pander to existing customers but if you are interested in bringing in new customers you cant pander to them.

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#57  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@lamprey263 said:

One reason I can also see it smart to tone down the sexualization of the DoA games is possibly worry people might not take it seriously as a top notch fighting series if it appears it is simply pandering to baser interests. That being said, not assuming in least that is their intention, maybe they are just saving the sexiest stuff as DLC, last game certainly had a crap-ton of that, and if they made lots of money on that (I have no idea), I can't see them abandoning that.

Pretty much what SFV does. And it works. The females have the majority of costumes.

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#58  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@quadknight said:
@davillain- said:

I'm getting Senran Kagura Burst: Renewal on PC instead of Dead Or Alive 6.

I'll wait for DoA6 GOTY Edition.

You will still be getting Soul Calibur 6 tho' right?

Of course, I already pre-order PC/PS4 versions :)

PC for mods/single player stuff & PS4 to game with my pals cause 5 I know are getting it as well, so I wanna play against them

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#59 DocSanchez
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They should tone up the gameplay more to the point.

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#60 uninspiredcup
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Soul Caliber deffo looks better.

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#61  Edited By QuadKnight
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@uninspiredcup said:

Soul Caliber deffo looks better.

Definitely, and I say this as both a DOA and SC fan. I’ve always preferred SC a bit more but this is the first time I’ve felt that SC has completely blown DOA out of the water. DOA without sex appeal is like a poor man's Virtua Fighter. It looks generic as hell. It’s like Mortal Kombat without fatalities. Fatalities serve no real purpose but they give MK its own character. I feel it’s the same with DOA, fanservice doesn’t add to its gameplay but it gives the series its own character and a way to stand out from the crowd.

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#62 TryIt
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@quadknight said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Soul Caliber deffo looks better.

Definitely, and I say this as both a DOA and SC fan. I’ve always preferred SC a bit more but this is the first time I’ve felt that SC has completely blown DOA out of the water. DOA without sex appeal is like a poor man's Virtua Fighter. It looks generic as hell. It’s like Mortal Kombat without fatalities. Fatalities serve no real purpose but they give MK it's own character. I feel it’s the same with DOA, fanservice doesn’t add to its gameplay but it gives the series its own character and a way to stand out from the crowd.

I think porn is better

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#63  Edited By QuadKnight
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@tryit: Obviously porn is better, if you like fapping. I don’t buy DOA to fap believe it or not, I just like bouncing boobs in my games and I despise censorship.

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#64  Edited By QuadKnight
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@davillain- said:
@quadknight said:
@davillain- said:

I'm getting Senran Kagura Burst: Renewal on PC instead of Dead Or Alive 6.

I'll wait for DoA6 GOTY Edition.

You will still be getting Soul Calibur 6 tho' right?

Of course, I already pre-order PC/PS4 versions :)

PC for mods/single player stuff & PS4 to game with my pals cause 5 I know are getting it as well, so I wanna play against them

? I’m doing the same thing. PC version for mods and Single Player and PS4 version to play with friends.

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#65 glez13
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Funny thing is that they almost did the same thing with DOA 5. They announced that they would tone down things with a more sophisticated sensuality and that they would focus more than ever on the fighting aspect. They even took the title of one of the songs of the game "I'm a fighter" as a motif to promote the game. By the time the game was about to release there was already and extra DLC pre-order bonus with swimsuits, the focus of the PR was mostly the soft engine. Then every female character had a skimpy outfit with the "I'm a fighter" logo, and there was an unlockable "OMG" boob physics option, plus like seven or something different DLC season passes with plenty of skimpy outfits scattered among the various versions the game had, some of which included destructible outfits.

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#66  Edited By QuadKnight
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@glez13: You’re right, though I believe the OMG physics didn’t make an appearance till DOA5 Ultimate. It’s the same bullshit all over again, and they’ll go back to fanservice when they want to sell DLC outfits because they know that’s where their money comes from. I don’t believe for one second they are gonna tone down fanservice. They made a killing off those DLC outfits and Season Passes, way more than they made from selling the actual games.

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#67 Dark_sageX
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Who gives a damn about this rubbish? why hasn't the Ninja Gaiden Trilogy been ported to the PC yet?! instead of this terrible excuse of a porn simulator, give me my god damn Ryu Hyabusa!

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#68  Edited By BassMan
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All I know is DOA Xtreme is so sexist. It doesn't even let me play as a male volleyball player. This level of male discrimination is so offensive. They need to be more inclusive. ;)

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#69 lundy86_4
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@BassMan said:

All I know is DOA Xtreme is so sexist. It doesn't even let me play as a male volleyball player. This level of male discrimination is so offensive. They need to be more inclusive. ;)

Reverse-sexism doesn't exist!

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#70 Pedro
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@BassMan said:

All I know is DOA Xtreme is so sexist. It doesn't even let me play as a male volleyball player. This level of male discrimination is so offensive. They need to be more inclusive. ;)

You kid but I don't see why not. The first people to cry fowl would be most of the people in this thread. ;)

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#71 TryIt
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@lundy86_4 said:
@BassMan said:

All I know is DOA Xtreme is so sexist. It doesn't even let me play as a male volleyball player. This level of male discrimination is so offensive. They need to be more inclusive. ;)

Reverse-sexism doesn't exist!

people (mostly people on the Right) are overly focused and offended by labels.

they get lost in the label fighting and forget about substance. I think they do it on purpose but I will give them the benefit of the doubt and just go with they have trouble paying attention :)

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#72 lundy86_4
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@tryit said:
@lundy86_4 said:
@BassMan said:

All I know is DOA Xtreme is so sexist. It doesn't even let me play as a male volleyball player. This level of male discrimination is so offensive. They need to be more inclusive. ;)

Reverse-sexism doesn't exist!

people (mostly people on the Right) are overly focused and offended by labels.

they get lost in the label fighting and forget about substance. I think they do it on purpose but I will give them the benefit of the doubt and just go with they have trouble paying attention :)

I was being heavily sarcastic. Mostly due to the reverse-racism shit.

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#73 TryIt
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@lundy86_4 said:
@tryit said:
@lundy86_4 said:
@BassMan said:

All I know is DOA Xtreme is so sexist. It doesn't even let me play as a male volleyball player. This level of male discrimination is so offensive. They need to be more inclusive. ;)

Reverse-sexism doesn't exist!

people (mostly people on the Right) are overly focused and offended by labels.

they get lost in the label fighting and forget about substance. I think they do it on purpose but I will give them the benefit of the doubt and just go with they have trouble paying attention :)

I was being heavily sarcastic. Mostly due to the reverse-racism shit.

I was not

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#74 locopatho
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I've always thought of this series as the gaming equivalent of softcore porn, and equally as pointless. Real porn exists (as well as real women... allegedly), I don't know who's futzing around with these jiggly polygons or why?

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#75  Edited By DocSanchez
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@locopatho: Some people like it, some people don't. I'm not one of them but....whatever. It's not harming anyone.

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#76 locopatho
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@DocSanchez: Not saying it's "evil" or should be banned or anything. I guess I just don't see these proposed changes as any sort of loss, that can't be rectified with a quick trip to a certain Hub?

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#77 DocSanchez
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@locopatho: I can see why people who enjoyed the others would be disappointed though. For me, as the fighting aspect has always been crap and most of the characters pretty uninteresting I don't see the point of releasing one without the soft porn. Let the series die if you're not going to service the fans who got it where it is today.

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#78  Edited By QuadKnight
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@locopatho said:

@DocSanchez: Not saying it's "evil" or should be banned or anything. I guess I just don't see these proposed changes as any sort of loss, that can't be rectified with a quick trip to a certain Hub?

You're assuming everyone that likes fanservice likes it for fapping purposes which is wrong. I have a real woman and "the hub" for when I'm horny. At this point, it's part of the game's DNA. It would be like taking away fatalities from MK. The series has been around since 1996, these guys practically invented 3D boob bouncing physics lol, and now people want them to drop fanservice? It's silly, why after 22 years of bouncing boobs do they feel like dropping a key part of their identity is the right choice?

Anyways, I'm not getting bent out of shape with this, there are other fighting games out there like Soul Calibur that look better and aren't trying to pander to SJWs. I just think it's silly for them to turn their backs on their identity, that's all. I'll still buy the game and enjoy it because I love the gameplay in DOA fighting games but I'm just disappointed in TN for censoring their work.

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@ProtossRushX said:

were not pigs we just like hot women what the hell is wrong with that

but fat ddd diddies aint hot. make it more real is all im saying unless ur saying u dont find real women attractive because real women dont like that.

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#81 GameboyTroy
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@quadknight said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Soul Caliber deffo looks better.

Definitely, and I say this as both a DOA and SC fan. I’ve always preferred SC a bit more but this is the first time I’ve felt that SC has completely blown DOA out of the water. DOA without sex appeal is like a poor man's Virtua Fighter. It looks generic as hell. It’s like Mortal Kombat without fatalities. Fatalities serve no real purpose but they give MK its own character. I feel it’s the same with DOA, fanservice doesn’t add to its gameplay but it gives the series its own character and a way to stand out from the crowd.

SC6 looks very good. The gameplay looks very good and the fanservice looks great.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/273704099?t=22m30s

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/273704099?t=01h15m06s

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#82 QuadKnight
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@GameboyTroy said:
@quadknight said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Soul Caliber deffo looks better.

Definitely, and I say this as both a DOA and SC fan. I’ve always preferred SC a bit more but this is the first time I’ve felt that SC has completely blown DOA out of the water. DOA without sex appeal is like a poor man's Virtua Fighter. It looks generic as hell. It’s like Mortal Kombat without fatalities. Fatalities serve no real purpose but they give MK its own character. I feel it’s the same with DOA, fanservice doesn’t add to its gameplay but it gives the series its own character and a way to stand out from the crowd.

SC6 looks very good. The gameplay looks very good and the fanservice looks great.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/273704099?t=22m30s

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/273704099?t=01h15m06s

Yup, it's why I've preordered the PC and PS4 version.

^__^ I'm very happy with the way SC6 is turning out. It's everything the fans asked for.

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#83  Edited By QuadKnight
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@sheephats said:
@ProtossRushX said:

were not pigs we just like hot women what the hell is wrong with that

but fat ddd diddies aint hot. make it more real is all im saying unless ur saying u dont find real women attractive because real women dont like that.

Real women have DDD tiddies and bigger, and I'm not talking about just overweight women or women with implants either. There are a lot of naturally busty slim women out there.

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#84 DJ-Lafleur
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Wait, people actually bought the main DoA games largely for the sexualization?

People do know there are ways to get their fap on without having to spend 60$, right?

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#85 freedomfreak
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I blame America, but soul calibur still exists.

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@sheephats said:
@ProtossRushX said:

were not pigs we just like hot women what the hell is wrong with that

but fat ddd diddies aint hot. make it more real is all im saying unless ur saying u dont find real women attractive because real women dont like that.

Thanks for letting me know that I'm no longer allowed to have fantasy's of completely fictitious characters. Now allow me to go and console my waifu, she will be sad about this news.

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#87 jorzorz
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sjws win again boooooo

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#88 jun_aka_pekto
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To be honest, the girls in DOA look more like underage schoolgirls with oversized boobs rather than whore-like. If the developers want whore-like, the women in the photo are it. ;)

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#90 Aki2017
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It's a solid fighting game, so now that aspect can stand out more. Also, I like the zoom in onto the face feature that seems to have been added. Looks cool

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#91 onesiphorus
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@freedomfreak said:

I blame America, but soul calibur still exists.

Political correctness has not infected America only. It has infected all the English-speaking countries, and much of Western Europe.

Yes, Soul Calibur still exists. Imagine a Soul Calibur without Ivy Valentine's large breasts?

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#92 Celsius765
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Is it bad I never looked into this series and just assumed despite the name it was just a bikini clad volley ball game

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#93  Edited By madrocketeer
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@KungfuKitten said:

The only counter-argument I have to that is, what other game is going to take its place then? Or do you think that it's - like zombie games - oversaturated and now no longer that interesting to their audience?

Personally I don't mind this either but I do want games to remain quite diverse and I always thought that DoA was kind of on the fringes of what was possible while still maintaining mass media coverage. It would be a shame if that went away for their audience. Though like you say, it doesn't seem like this will be a big change at all. In fact, they may be able to make it even sexier now with a bit more 'seriousness' and secrecy for contrast.

Bouncing titties aren't the only way to distinguish yourself in a market. Hell, maybe toning it down might allow other features of the game to rise to the surface and get noticed more.

As I said, maybe they're just tired of the jokes. It has been 22 years. You do something repeatedly for two decades, even if you enjoy it, you're going to eventually get sick of it too.

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#94 VFighter
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The series started out as a VF clone with breast physics and a reversal mechanic. The fighting mechanics have grown and the second game (on the dreamcast) became its own and its gotten better ever since. Multi layered stages, breakable items, great cast of characters, excellent gameplay and just all around fun.

I like a lot of what I've seen so far for DoA6, like the close ups of faces getting smashed and it looks like even more interactive environments, but lets not remove the scantily clad women (and men) as that's just as much of the series as everything else I've mentioned.

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I don't know which are worst the SJW or the pimple faced teenagers in this thread that say boobs all the time. Both need to get laid, and then maybe both can be laid back lol.

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@i_p_daily said:

I don't know which are worst the SJW or the pimple faced teenagers in this thread that say boobs all the time. Both need to get laid, and then maybe both can be laid back lol.

Boring.

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#97 R10nu
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Riiight, cuz people totally gonna buy this game for its indepth fighting mechanics.

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#98 deactivated-5c18005f903a1
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Imagine how embarrassing it would be trying to explain to someone in real life why you was upset about this kind of thing.

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#99 uninspiredcup
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@boycie said:

Imagine how embarrassing it would be trying to explain to someone in real life why you was upset about this kind of thing.

People by and large are embarrassed in real life by pornography, when really, they shouldn't be.

Le shame, is actually a very shitty argument.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@boycie said:

Imagine how embarrassing it would be trying to explain to someone in real life why you was upset about this kind of thing.

People by and large are embarrassed in real life by pornography, when really, they shouldn't be.

Le shame, is actually a very shitty argument.

Porn is one thing. Getting weird about the size of tits in a video game is another.