Dead Or Alive tone down objectification of womans (you pigs)

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

nah that aint what im saying though. if u love dem girlz like dat then thats fine. we all have our preferences.

not really because this is essential soft core porn.

@sheephats said:

@boycie said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

Imagine how embarrassing it would be trying to explain to someone in real life why you was upset about this kind of thing.

People by and large are embarrassed in real life by pornography, when really, they shouldn't be.

Le shame, is actually a very shitty argument.

Porn is one thing. Getting weird about the size of tits in a video game is another.

not really because this is essential soft core porn.

with unrealistic hair.

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

Imagine how embarrassing it would be trying to explain to someone in real life why you was upset about this kind of thing.

People by and large are embarrassed in real life by pornography, when really, they shouldn't be.

Le shame, is actually a very shitty argument.

Porn is one thing. Getting weird about the size of tits in a video game is another.

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

^ ^ I find all the people getting offended over big anime tiddies in videogames to be weird. Anime tiddies never hurt anyone, people getting mad over them need to go sort out their lives and priorities. If fictional anime tiddies make you this upset and offended then there’s something seriously wrong with you. There’s far more things in the world to be upset about than whether tiddies in a videogame are bouncy and exposed.

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

Imagine how embarrassing it would be trying to explain to someone in real life why you was upset about this kind of thing.

People by and large are embarrassed in real life by pornography, when really, they shouldn't be.

Le shame, is actually a very shitty argument.

Porn is one thing. Getting weird about the size of tits in a video game is another.

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

^ ^ I find all the people getting offended over big anime tiddies ...

I actually think those people dont even exist.

its like the now should be famous Out Foxed where they explained how 'some people say' is code word for 'nobody says we are just making this shit up'

In real life, breast has movement based on physics.

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

Imagine how embarrassing it would be trying to explain to someone in real life why you was upset about this kind of thing.

People by and large are embarrassed in real life by pornography, when really, they shouldn't be.

Le shame, is actually a very shitty argument.

Porn is one thing. Getting weird about the size of tits in a video game is another.

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

^ ^ I find all the people getting offended over big anime tiddies in videogames to be weird. Anime tiddies never hurt anyone, people getting mad over them need to go sort out their lives and priorities. If fictional big tiddies make you upset and offended then there’s something seriously wrong with you. There’s far more things in the world to be upset about than whether tiddies in a videogame are exposed.

Equally there are far more important things in life to be upset over than a video game that doesn't want to be know for big anime titties anymore.

@tryit said:

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

@uninspiredcup said:

People by and large are embarrassed in real life by pornography, when really, they shouldn't be.

Le shame, is actually a very shitty argument.

Porn is one thing. Getting weird about the size of tits in a video game is another.

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

^ ^ I find all the people getting offended over big anime tiddies ...

I actually think those people dont even exist.

its like the now should be famous Out Foxed where they explained how 'some people say' is code word for 'nobody says we are just making this shit up'

Those people exist in “gaming journalism”. Kotaku already has a piece out there bashing SC6 for being antiquated when it comes to its depiction of women because they refuse to bow down to the will of SJWs. I think most gamers don’t give a shit but the videogame “journalists” out there do have an agenda they are trying to promote.

@quadknight said:

@tryit said:

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

^ ^ I find all the people getting offended over big anime tiddies ...

I actually think those people dont even exist.

its like the now should be famous Out Foxed where they explained how 'some people say' is code word for 'nobody says we are just making this shit up'

Those people exist in “gaming journalism”. Kotaku already has a piece out there bashing SC6 for being antiquated when it comes to its depiction of women because they refuse to bow down to the will of SJWs. I think most gamers don’t give a shit but the videogame “journalists” out there do have an agenda they are trying to promote.

As soon as you use the 'SJW' or 'agenda 'word you lose the argument in my opinion. It's just something to blame that doesn't really exist.

I also think that most gamers don't give a shit about anime titties.

@boycie said:

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

@uninspiredcup said:

People by and large are embarrassed in real life by pornography, when really, they shouldn't be.

Le shame, is actually a very shitty argument.

Porn is one thing. Getting weird about the size of tits in a video game is another.

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

^ ^ I find all the people getting offended over big anime tiddies in videogames to be weird. Anime tiddies never hurt anyone, people getting mad over them need to go sort out their lives and priorities. If fictional big tiddies make you upset and offended then there’s something seriously wrong with you. There’s far more things in the world to be upset about than whether tiddies in a videogame are exposed.

Equally there are far more important things in life to be upset over than a video game that doesn't want to be know for big anime titties anymore.

I agree. Although there‘s a thing called censorship that’s worth being offended by.

I don’t care if TN themselves decide they don’t wanna show tiddies anymore but I feel offended if they are coerced or pressured into censoring themselves. Censorship in art and media isn’t a good thing.

You and I will just have to disagree on that one then because I truly believe sites like Kotaku and Polygon have an agenda they are trying to promote. They have been doing what they’ve been doing for too long to convince me otherwise.

@quadknight said:

@boycie said:

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@boycie said:

Porn is one thing. Getting weird about the size of tits in a video game is another.

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

^ ^ I find all the people getting offended over big anime tiddies in videogames to be weird. Anime tiddies never hurt anyone, people getting mad over them need to go sort out their lives and priorities. If fictional big tiddies make you upset and offended then there’s something seriously wrong with you. There’s far more things in the world to be upset about than whether tiddies in a videogame are exposed.

Equally there are far more important things in life to be upset over than a video game that doesn't want to be know for big anime titties anymore.

I agree. Although there‘s a thing called censorship that’s worth being offended by.

I don’t care if TN themselves decide they don’t wanna show tiddies anymore but I feel offended if they are coerced or pressured into censoring themselves. Censorship in art and media isn’t a good thing.

People have already decided that they have been pressured and coerced into it, hence all the use of that dog shit term SJW.

@boycie said:

@quadknight said:

@boycie said:

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

^ ^ I find all the people getting offended over big anime tiddies in videogames to be weird. Anime tiddies never hurt anyone, people getting mad over them need to go sort out their lives and priorities. If fictional big tiddies make you upset and offended then there’s something seriously wrong with you. There’s far more things in the world to be upset about than whether tiddies in a videogame are exposed.

Equally there are far more important things in life to be upset over than a video game that doesn't want to be know for big anime titties anymore.

I agree. Although there‘s a thing called censorship that’s worth being offended by.

I don’t care if TN themselves decide they don’t wanna show tiddies anymore but I feel offended if they are coerced or pressured into censoring themselves. Censorship in art and media isn’t a good thing.

People have already decided that they have been pressured and coerced into it, hence all the use of that dog shit term SJW.

When you have sites like Kotaku bashing the Soul Calibur devs for their artistic choice, and somehow insinuating that NamcoBandia are sexist pigs, how is that not coercion? How are devs supposed to feel free in expressing themselves when sites like Kotaku are bashing them for their artistic decision? The SJW agenda does exist in gaming “journalism”.

But why. That's what I always ask myself. What would this agenda do for them.

It's projection in my opinion. People see stuff like that when they want to see it.

Then it just turns into another binary us and them argument with no nuance or rational thinking just 'I'm right so they must be SJW's with an agenda to push'.

I can't stand any of it.

Kotaku‘s current hate piece on Soul Calibur 6 isn’t “projection”. The “SJW agenda” is pretty clear to see with shitty articles like Kotaku’s.

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Not that I actually disagree that white, gruff man is boring. Having almost, struggling to finished Evil Within, he might as well have been a cardboard box.

@quadknight said:

@tryit said:

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

As long as you're not into A) pederfile or B) bestiality i.e. hurting people or society... do what the shitting shit you want. Who cares.

Oh.

^ ^ I find all the people getting offended over big anime tiddies ...

I actually think those people dont even exist.

its like the now should be famous Out Foxed where they explained how 'some people say' is code word for 'nobody says we are just making this shit up'

Those people exist in “gaming journalism”. Kotaku already has a piece out there bashing SC6 for being antiquated when it comes to its depiction of women because they refuse to bow down to the will of SJWs. I think most gamers don’t give a shit but the videogame “journalists” out there do have an agenda they are trying to promote.

so because one person writes an article its a thing?

you just add fuel to the fire by even paying attention to it frankly, you give them more credit then they deserve

actually if you can point to me the opinion piece that then caused this developer to do this that would be helpful.

an article that reports a developer is doing this doent really address my observation

@uninspiredcup said:

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Nothing to see here folks, it’s all “projection” and a figment of our imaginations. The SJW agenda is just the figment of imagination of a bunch of “sexist pigs”.

yes they have an agenda, EVERYONE has an agenda, why are they not allowed to speak it?

this sounds a lot like advocating censorship to me

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

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Nothing to see here folks, it’s all “projection” and a figment of our imaginations. The SJW agenda is just the figment of imagination of a bunch of “sexist pigs”.

There you go. Turning it into a us or them argument. The term SJW agenda just means you don't have to think or come up with your own opinion. You can just blame the SJW's and not have to think about anything critically or come to your own conclusions. All you need is a few out of context picture and giff from google pics and away you go... It's an agenderrrrr!!!!

@tryit: It’s not one person. It’s been happening for years and coincides like clockwork every time Namco or TN is about to release a Soul Calibur or DOA game. I know this because I’m a fan of both franchises, and Ive been seeing this bullshit from the gaming media for more than a decade now. It first started with Soul Calibur 4 and it has been going on ever since.

I‘m not adding any “fuel“ to any fire. I’m not calling for boycotts or posting on Twitter, I’m just calling out bullshit when I see it. I’m still gonna support DOA6 whether it gets censored or not because I love the franchise and anime tiddies or lack there of won’t change my love of the series.

again,

like the movie Out Foxed illustrated when a journalist says 'some people say' it usually means 'nobody said and we are making this shit up'

I am not speaking to game journalism, I am just saying there is not a large population of people out there who are demanding anima softcore porn to be removed.

are journalists saying that? perhaps I dont know, that isnt my point. HOWEVER, if they are, sad to say, they have that right. you might not agree with them but they do have the right

PLEASE READ MY WORDS CAREFULLY

@boycie said:

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

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Nothing to see here folks, it’s all “projection” and a figment of our imaginations. The SJW agenda is just the figment of imagination of a bunch of “sexist pigs”.

There you go. Turning it into a us or them argument. The term SJW agenda just means you don't have to think or come up with your own opinion. You can just blame the SJW's and not have to think about anything critically or come to your own conclusions. All you need is a few out of context picture and giff from google pics and away you go... It's an agenderrrrr!!!!

Hilarious considering I’m politically a liberal myself. This is one area I do not stand with SJWs with. I’m all about inclusion and political correctness in real life, the one area I feel should be protected from political correctness is media and art. People should be free to express themselves in art without fear of being labeled as “sexist pigs”.

Shitty sites like Kotaku have decided that they are the moral beacons of the videogame industry and have decided to bring politics into gaming. Shaming and ridiculing devs that do not bow to their idea of political correctness. They’ve become a gaming censorship force without even realizing it. If saying I don’t want those clowns deciding for me what is appropriate to play or not makes me a “sexist pig” then so be it.

@quadknight said:

@boycie said:

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

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Nothing to see here folks, it’s all “projection” and a figment of our imaginations. The SJW agenda is just the figment of imagination of a bunch of “sexist pigs”.

There you go. Turning it into a us or them argument. The term SJW agenda just means you don't have to think or come up with your own opinion. You can just blame the SJW's and not have to think about anything critically or come to your own conclusions. All you need is a few out of context picture and giff from google pics and away you go... It's an agenderrrrr!!!!

Hilarious considering I’m politically a liberal myself. This is one area I do not stand with SJWs with. I’m all about inclusion and political correctness in real life, the one area I feel should be protected from political correctness is media and art. People should be free to express themselves in art without fear of being labeled as “sexist pigs”.

Shitty sites like Kotaku have decided that they are the moral beacons of the videogame industry and have decided to bring politics into gaming. Shaming and ridiculing devs that do not bow to their idea of political correctness. They’ve become a gaming censorship force without even realizing it. If saying I don’t want those clowns deciding for me what is appropriate to play or not makes me a “sexist pig” then so be it.

no you are not.

I challenge you to proove that you are liberal in any respect. A liberal would NEVER say ' I support poltical correctness' because they firmly believe the term itself is an idotic attack on them

and YOU have decided that sites like Kotaku should not have the freedom to express their beliefs

A liberal would never say the following:

This is one area I do not stand with SJWs with. I’m all about inclusion and political correctness in real life

Perhaps you’re the one that should read carefully. Nowhere in my posts have I said there is a large population of people demanding softcore porn in anime to be taken out. In fact, I’ve said quite the opposite. I’ve said most gamers and the general public do not give a shit about anime tiddies, it’s the vocal minority (the gaming media) that are trying to make this an issue.

and I dont care if you did or did not, my orginal reply to you stands as I wrote it.

it was an observation that you got wrong,

@tryit said:

@quadknight said:

@boycie said:

@quadknight said:

@uninspiredcup said:

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Nothing to see here folks, it’s all “projection” and a figment of our imaginations. The SJW agenda is just the figment of imagination of a bunch of “sexist pigs”.

There you go. Turning it into a us or them argument. The term SJW agenda just means you don't have to think or come up with your own opinion. You can just blame the SJW's and not have to think about anything critically or come to your own conclusions. All you need is a few out of context picture and giff from google pics and away you go... It's an agenderrrrr!!!!

Hilarious considering I’m politically a liberal myself. This is one area I do not stand with SJWs with. I’m all about inclusion and political correctness in real life, the one area I feel should be protected from political correctness is media and art. People should be free to express themselves in art without fear of being labeled as “sexist pigs”.

Shitty sites like Kotaku have decided that they are the moral beacons of the videogame industry and have decided to bring politics into gaming. Shaming and ridiculing devs that do not bow to their idea of political correctness. They’ve become a gaming censorship force without even realizing it. If saying I don’t want those clowns deciding for me what is appropriate to play or not makes me a “sexist pig” then so be it.

no you are not.

I challenge you to proove that you are liberal in any respect. A liberal would NEVER say ' I support poltical correctness' because they firmly believe the term itself is an idotic attack on them

and YOU have decided that sites like Kotaku should not have the freedom to express their beliefs

How does one “prove they are a liberal”? Listen to yourself ?, you’re not even trying to make sense. There’s no litmus test to prove whether one is a liberal or not. You can be liberal and still disagree with people from your own party. I’m a liberal and I voted accordingly during the 2016 elections, just because I don’t conform to your stupid idea of what a liberal is doesn’t make me not a liberal. This kind of stupid reasoning is why we have a despot in the W.H right now.

Kotaku is free to express themselves but they aren’t free to bash devs for not going along with their political agenda. That only leads to censorship which is dumb.

If you don’t care what i say then why are you quoting me? Please keep your thoughts to yourself if that’s how you’re going to address me. Part of any reasonable discussion is listening to what the other party is saying. You can’t be misquoting me and expect me to listen to what you have to say, that’s bullshit, and we’ll have to agree to disagree because I’m not sure what point you’re even trying to make here.

@quadknight said:

@tryit said:

@quadknight said:

@boycie said:

@quadknight said:

Nothing to see here folks, it’s all “projection” and a figment of our imaginations. The SJW agenda is just the figment of imagination of a bunch of “sexist pigs”.

There you go. Turning it into a us or them argument. The term SJW agenda just means you don't have to think or come up with your own opinion. You can just blame the SJW's and not have to think about anything critically or come to your own conclusions. All you need is a few out of context picture and giff from google pics and away you go... It's an agenderrrrr!!!!

Hilarious considering I’m politically a liberal myself. This is one area I do not stand with SJWs with. I’m all about inclusion and political correctness in real life, the one area I feel should be protected from political correctness is media and art. People should be free to express themselves in art without fear of being labeled as “sexist pigs”.

Shitty sites like Kotaku have decided that they are the moral beacons of the videogame industry and have decided to bring politics into gaming. Shaming and ridiculing devs that do not bow to their idea of political correctness. They’ve become a gaming censorship force without even realizing it. If saying I don’t want those clowns deciding for me what is appropriate to play or not makes me a “sexist pig” then so be it.

no you are not.

I challenge you to proove that you are liberal in any respect. A liberal would NEVER say ' I support poltical correctness' because they firmly believe the term itself is an idotic attack on them

and YOU have decided that sites like Kotaku should not have the freedom to express their beliefs

How does one “prove they are a liberal”? Listen to yourself ?, you’re not even trying to make sense. There’s no litmus test to prove whether one is a liberal or not.

yes there is and 'This is one area I do not stand with SJWs with. I’m all about inclusion and political correctness in real life, the one area I feel should be protected from political correctness ..' just SCREAMS to me that you are not remotely liberal.

liberals think the SJW moniker is ridiculous, they think the term 'political correctness' is an unfair attack on them. they are not going to use those terms in the context you are. so at least with me, your honestly is highly specious

get past it.

I made an observation, you read it wrong, you feel it doesn't apply to your point which is fine but the struggle was you understanding it.

now that you understand it, lets just move on and away from it

? Absolute nonsense. You’re not the judge of who’s liberal or not and you don’t get to decide what I am. I am politically liberal and that’s it, you can accept it or go jump in a lake for all I care. I will use whatever terms I feel like using and it won’t change how I feel about politics or who I choose to vote for during elections.

I ABSOLUTLY am. You dont know me but I am ABSOLUTLY a judge of that.

and I can tell you the way you are using those terms tells me you are full of ....

anyway, I got us off tract and I apologize for that, lets get back to the root of the conversation shall we?

ironically most SJW are conservatives

experience of course,

who wines and crys foul and starts campaigns over minor things like female leads in gaming?

conservatives do that is who

If so, then I believe that pigs can fly!

I thought that political correctness and social justice are progressive activities. Why would conservatives want to engage in identity politics and victim politics, the usual stables of progressives?

@tryit: I see a triggered manchild. Please sit down and stop talking horse shit. You’re not the litmus test for knowing people’s political leanings. Your standards for who is and who isn’t a liberal is complete horse shit.

I have progressive and liberal leanings when it comes to things like the economy, education, law enforcement, women’s issues, minority issues, and immigration because I don’t agree with you on your SJW agenda when it comes to games doesn’t make me any less of a liberal or progressive. You’re a fanatical dude, and most Americans aren’t fanatics. Most people are closer to the middle when it comes to politics. I lean left but I’m not far left like you. Your mistake is assuming anyone that doesn’t lean far left like you is a conservative which is bullshit. You’re arguing like a child.

as apposed to complaining about the lack of female leads in antyhing where woman can't be arsed to step into normally?

You know that thread was about WW2 authenticity, stop trying to sell it as anything but.

I'm not saying you are wrong about conservatives, but YOU have to understand that far-left liberals are the same s*it on another shovel.

One day though, either way, I hope we are progressive enough to allow porn on consoles and mainstream PC gaming. That day will signify that this bullshit "this is a forced kid friendly enviroment" is over, and that outdated religeous values where Violence > Sex finally gets the kicking it deserves.

If I wanted sexy beach girls (Spoiler, never owned one of those games, so not really) then I should be able to have sexy beach girls games. Likewise, IF THERE IS ANY DEMAND, sexy beach men ... whatever floats whoevers boats.

But the leftist-Political correct brigade? Anti-choice ... just like conservative nutters.

"Can't have sexy woman doing sexy things, that's objectification" ... no love, that's me induldging in sexual fantasies you stupid cliche. And yea men have power fantasties, and woman have thier fantasties, leave them be you 3rd wave feminists with nothing real to fight over.

no its usually a conservative who is crying foul over simple unimportant stuff. that is why they are more SJW then liberals

yes I am and many people are as well but that aside, given your inclination to do aid homein attacks and how this side point really is not relevant its better to just drop it and move back to the conversation

and they also have a tendency to not pay attention and get distracted.

the campaign against women in video games being justifed or not does not matter.

it can still be a 100% valid and just concern worthy of an outrage, but your still a SJW for being outraged by it regardless of if its accurate or not.

Don't worry about the male feminist guys. They always turn out to be utter creeps who get outed for harassment.

Most of them get off on this and the ones that don't get off on creeping on women. Don't let it grind you all down.

when all else fails try to go for some form of an Ad Hominem attack that never works

That makes a lot of assumptions though. To call it coercion, you seem to be assuming that A) TN wants to do something other than what they are actually doing, B) that most people want them to do something other than what they are going to do, and C) that it's a relatively small group that's bullying them into doing something different against the wishes of TN and their customers.

If that's what's going on, I agree. That would be crappy. But I don't agree that's what's going on.

I read the article and the explanation for the slight shift in direction is pretty reasonable. It's also not the first time that Itagaki or TN have expressed some concern that maybe they'd swung too far into over the top sexualization in the series. I agree that games are art, and should be regarded as art in the same way that TV shows, movies, music, poetry, etc are. However, they bear a greater resemblance to movies in as much as they are also large scale products designed to make money, and as such they need to choose directions for their projects that are likely to please the largest audience. DOA has always been higher on the "sexualized content" factor than most other fighting games, but it's not the top seller. DOA5 did decent but not as well as they would have liked and it certainly didn't pull Street Fighter or Tekken numbers. I'm not surprised that they are trying to change up the formula. Sexy content is one of the things that drew some fans to the franchise, but it also pushed a lot away. Even some tournaments started banning the more ridiculous outfits because they felt it was taking away focus from the game.

At the end of the day, games are not sold or not sold based on the opinion of sites like Kotaku or even Gamespot. They are sold on what the customers like and if pendulous boob physics and dental floss outfits were what sold the most games in the end, I guarantee you that TN would be knocking out "Dead or Alive: After Dark". Hell, actually they -did- do that already. It's called DOA Beach Volleyball/Extreme, and those games didn't sell nearly as well as the fighting games because they were all about the sexualization and pretty light on the "game" part.

-Byshop

These games have always been embarrassments from the beginning. All they did was put tits on a shitty game and adolescent boys ate it up.