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#101 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="gamer620"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] i feel like honing one's real skills is the same as honing a character's in-game skills

No, because you're not getting better at playing the RPG just by grinding a bunch of common enemies for experience. You're making the game easier by leveling and thus making your character do more damage, take less damage, miss less, evade more, etc. (speaking in general RPG terms). By increasing your own actual skills at playing Mirror's Edge, you're mastering the game as it is, not making it easier and using the same amount of skill to master the same thing (not that you don't gain personal skill as you play RPGs, but it's not as important as leveling). If in Mirror's Edge, you could sit there jumping over the exact same gap 50 times and then suddenly be able to jump higher, then it would be the same thing.

So you are saying that as long as you are artificially lengthening the game time simply to master the game based on your own skill level, it is not grinding, where as simply doing the same to boost your characters abilities IS grinding?

There are clashing definitions of "grinding" here. Jandurin's definition was not what I was initially considering as grinding, but I think both definitions can be valid. It's just that level grinding is bad IMO, while "skill grinding" is good.
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#102 clone01
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[QUOTE="TheCoreGamer_"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Jfisch93"]

^ WOW that argument about grinding is dumb.

Anyways I'm rushing to the store to get this, I hope I can get a copy.

I don't think it's going to be a HOT seller. Im sure you'll find a copy

this game is going to be a system seller...

i highly doubt that.
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#103 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="TheCoreGamer_"] this game is going to be a system seller...TheCoreGamer_
lolwut? no.

have i ever been wrong before?

Who are you?
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#104 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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It's just that level grinding is bad IMO, while "skill grinding" is good.Cherokee_Jack
It's just preference. "Skill" grinding can be very irritating especially in an imperfect game.
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#105 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]It's just that level grinding is bad IMO, while "skill grinding" is good.Jandurin
It's just preference. "Skill" grinding can be very irritating especially in an imperfect game.

Well, yeah. But I just think it's more fair on the whole.
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#106 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]It's just that level grinding is bad IMO, while "skill grinding" is good.Cherokee_Jack
It's just preference. "Skill" grinding can be very irritating especially in an imperfect game.

Well, yeah. But I just think it's more fair on the whole.

anyway, the best part of level grinding in RPGs is that you can test out various spells that you may have gained and not had an opportunity to mess with. Like Aqualung in FF7. I would never have known how badass that "enemy skill" was had I not just been messing around in the field to gain some quick xp :o
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#107 LookAnDrolL
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Is the TC a fakeboy? My guess is a, yes.

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#108 Abicus7
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] It's just preference. "Skill" grinding can be very irritating especially in an imperfect game.Jandurin
Well, yeah. But I just think it's more fair on the whole.

anyway, the best part of level grinding in RPGs is that you can test out various spells that you may have gained and not had an opportunity to mess with. Like Aqualung in FF7. I would never have known how badass that "enemy skill" was had I not just been messing around in the field to gain some quick xp :o

Aqualung is best if you get it at the end of disk one while fighting Jenova. If you wait untill later in the game to get it, its not as usefull.

Back on topic... I dont mind grinding at all. I actually like knowing that every monster you kill gets you a little closer to becoming all powerful!:twisted:

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#109 h575309
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] It's just preference. "Skill" grinding can be very irritating especially in an imperfect game.Jandurin
Well, yeah. But I just think it's more fair on the whole.

anyway, the best part of level grinding in RPGs is that you can test out various spells that you may have gained and not had an opportunity to mess with. Like Aqualung in FF7. I would never have known how badass that "enemy skill" was had I not just been messing around in the field to gain some quick xp :o

Yes but random battles are probably the most annoying thing in that era of RPGs. Run 10 steps, battle, run 5 steps battle, run 12 steps, battle, .... my god so friggin frustrating. But on the level grinding point, yea, I like it too. Like in FF10 I was so jacked up i think I killed the final boss so quickly. Its fun to make your characters almost godly after alot of work. Definitely a reason why I hate when games attach enemy skill growth to your own skill growth. Takes the incentive away to upgrade your char.
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#110 clone01
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Yes but random battles are probably the most annoying thing in that era of RPGs. Run 10 steps, battle, run 5 steps battle, run 12 steps, battle, .... my god so friggin frustrating. But on the level grinding point, yea, I like it too. Like in FF10 I was so jacked up i think I killed the final boss so quickly. Its fun to make your characters almost godly after alot of work. Definitely a reason why I hate when games attach enemy skill growth to your own skill growth. Takes the incentive away to upgrade your char.h575309
i agree. i hate random enemy encounters. that's half the reason i never really got into the Final Fantasy games. i've heard that FFXIII will do away with that, however.
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#111 CaptainHarley
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i really don't get what you ppl see in that game

da_illest101

- its exclusive

- people can claim to be 'good' if they play it a lot because its 'hard'

- diablo 3 isnt out yet

thats all i can think of.

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#112 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="CaptainHarley"]

[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

i really don't get what you ppl see in that game

- its exclusive

- people can claim to be 'good' if they play it a lot because its 'hard'

- diablo 3 isnt out yet

thats all i can think of.

it sure couldn't be that it might just be a good game. that's ridiculous
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#113 Abicus7
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[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

i really don't get what you ppl see in that game

CaptainHarley

- its exclusive

- people can claim to be 'good' if they play it a lot because its 'hard'

- diablo 3 isnt out yet

thats all i can think of.

-Being exclusive has nothing to do with anything really.

-Everyone who has reviewed it has said its not just "hard" but punishingly HARD.

-Diablo 3 has nothing to do with Demons souls.. they are very differnt games.

Also the game has some unique online features that I dont think have been done before. Not only does PS3 need more games like this.. This whole Gen needs more games like this.

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#114 Memoryitis
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lol I bought a PS3 just because Demons Souls is exclusive and something that is different from all the other games out there

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#115 h575309
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[QUOTE="h575309"] Yes but random battles are probably the most annoying thing in that era of RPGs. Run 10 steps, battle, run 5 steps battle, run 12 steps, battle, .... my god so friggin frustrating. But on the level grinding point, yea, I like it too. Like in FF10 I was so jacked up i think I killed the final boss so quickly. Its fun to make your characters almost godly after alot of work. Definitely a reason why I hate when games attach enemy skill growth to your own skill growth. Takes the incentive away to upgrade your char.clone01
i agree. i hate random enemy encounters. that's half the reason i never really got into the Final Fantasy games. i've heard that FFXIII will do away with that, however.

I know FF12 got rid of it and having it this day and age is just stupid. Looking forward to some good rpgs in the next 6-8 months, this gen has been seriously lacking in that genre.
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#116 Jfisch93
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[QUOTE="Jfisch93"]

^ WOW that argument about grinding is dumb.

Anyways I'm rushing to the store to get this, I hope I can get a copy.

Jandurin

my argument or the argument in general? :x

Lol not yours just the arguement in general.

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#117 shutdown_202
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Well, I don't mind that kind of grinding, because it's actually constructive, not just eating up your time and patience in exchange for decreased difficulty. I assumed that shutdown meant level grinding, though.Cherokee_Jack

Yeah thats exactly what i meant. Like Jandurin said, DS is a mix of both but its alot more on the level grinding side. The difficulty people constantly refer to, its probably the game mechanics but like i said you can easily master that in an hour or day. Its so different (well atleast from anything ive played) that it takes people by suprise and probably takes them alot longer to get their head around it.

But once they do, its pure grinding from there. And like me, Jandurin and 110million said, thats exactly what we want.

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#118 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="CaptainHarley"]

[QUOTE="da_illest101"]

i really don't get what you ppl see in that game

Jandurin

- its exclusive

- people can claim to be 'good' if they play it a lot because its 'hard'

- diablo 3 isnt out yet

thats all i can think of.

it sure couldn't be that it might just be a good game. that's ridiculous

Of course not that would make to much sense.

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#119 sakura_Ex
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[QUOTE="TheCoreGamer_"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] lolwut? no.Chutebox
have i ever been wrong before?

Who are you?

:lol::cry: Funny stuff right there.

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#120 -Oath
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I.Cant.Freaking.Wait.

Im actually thinking of signing myself out of my last few periods of School tomorrow to no life the game for the rest of the day!

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#121 NAPK1NS
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I.Cant.Freaking.Wait.

Im actually thinking of signing myself out of my last few periods of School tomorrow to no life the game for the rest of the day!

-Oath
I only have one class in the morning so I'm all set. :P Gonna' sniff the foil right off the Deluxe Edition!
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#122 BZSIN
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Will we get the review tonight, or are we gonna have to wait until tomorrow?

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#123 Kahuna_1
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Amazon shipped my game and it should arrive tomorrow. Problem is I have a test on Wednesday so I cannot touch it until after 5pm.

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#124 Kandlegoat
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I really hope the Cows/Sony Fanboys actually plan on enjoying this game,and arent just hyping DS for the sake of it being a AAA exclusive..

I can totally see a few people not even getting too far in the game,and quitting due to the brutal difficulty,then turning around and praising it on SW just because it's a Highly rated Ps3 game...which is pretty lame.

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#125 -Oath
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[QUOTE="-Oath"]

I.Cant.Freaking.Wait.

Im actually thinking of signing myself out of my last few periods of School tomorrow to no life the game for the rest of the day!

NAPK1NS

I only have one class in the morning so I'm all set. :P Gonna' sniff the foil right off the Deluxe Edition!

Lucky ass. Im still in High, full days FTL...

Im still debating over getting the deluxe version myself.

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#126 Kahuna_1
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I really hope the Cows/Sony Fanboys actually plan on enjoying this game,and arent just hyping DS for the sake of it being a AAA exclusive..

I can totally see a few people not even getting too far in the game,and quitting due to the brutal difficulty,then turning around and praising it on SW just because it's a Highly rated Ps3 game...which is pretty lame.

Kandlegoat

I cant wait to get my ass kicked by the game.

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#127 2-10-08
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Sorry, I only buy games that are possible to beat.

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#128 Ziek-AAT
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Sorry, I only buy games that are possible to beat.

2-10-08

Nice attempt at trying to bash the game.

I'll LMAO if this scores higher than any 360 RPG.

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#129 Jfisch93
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I can't freakin wait until tomorrow... right after school I'm hauling ass to Target and if they don't have it I'm hauling ass to Gamestop.

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#130 Revolution316
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Demon's Souls is the most talked about game in the studio says GS....sleeper hit title of the year no doubt

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#131 Kandlegoat
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[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

I really hope the Cows/Sony Fanboys actually plan on enjoying this game,and arent just hyping DS for the sake of it being a AAA exclusive..

I can totally see a few people not even getting too far in the game,and quitting due to the brutal difficulty,then turning around and praising it on SW just because it's a Highly rated Ps3 game...which is pretty lame.

Kahuna_1

I cant wait to get my ass kicked by the game.

that's the spirit!!

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#132 pyromaniac223
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Too poor to afford it. But really, the TC is a fakeboy
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#133 BZSIN
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Too poor to afford it.pyromaniac223

Me too at the moment, and I won't be able to get it until closer to Christmas, which pisses me off hugely. Plus I have to import it.

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#134 2beers_in_hand
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Looks like the reviewer for Destructiodtook DS for granted lol. http://n4g.com/ps3/News-406226.aspx

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#135 bokiloki
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Sorry, I only buy games that are possible to beat.

2-10-08

go play halo

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#136 Kandlegoat
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[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Sorry, I only buy games that are possible to beat.

Ziek-AAT

Nice attempt at trying to bash the game.

I'll LMAO if this scores higher than any 360 RPG.

360 rpg?...what does that have to do with anything?...there was nothing fanboy-ish about his' statement.All hhe said was,he only likes games that are possible to beat,not too mention from his' sig, it shows he also owns a PS3.So I have no idea why you thought he's a lemming.Did you ever stop to think maybe Superhard games just arent his' cup of tea?.

and who cares about scores...this game could get a 6.5,and it would still be awesome!

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#137 SilverChimera
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GOTC is spyro year of the dragon ...>,>Ratchet_Fan8
w00t. spyro = awesome until it died after year of the dragon.
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#138 2beers_in_hand
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Hmm after reading the Destructiod article I started to wonder how many reviewers have actually finished DS?

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#139 Kahuna_1
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[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

I really hope the Cows/Sony Fanboys actually plan on enjoying this game,and arent just hyping DS for the sake of it being a AAA exclusive..

I can totally see a few people not even getting too far in the game,and quitting due to the brutal difficulty,then turning around and praising it on SW just because it's a Highly rated Ps3 game...which is pretty lame.

Kandlegoat

I cant wait to get my ass kicked by the game.

that's the spirit!!

Haha, yeah. I am looking forward to playing a game that his hard and not cheap.

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#140 Kandlegoat
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[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

I cant wait to get my ass kicked by the game.

Kahuna_1

that's the spirit!!

Haha, yeah. I am looking forward to playing a game that his hard and not cheap.

it's a fair game.if you die it's because you made a foolish move or werent properly equipped/Lvled. The Game isnt cheap like NG2 where 3 enemies are spamming rockets at you.

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#141 2beers_in_hand
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[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

that's the spirit!!

Haha, yeah. I am looking forward to playing a game that his hard and not cheap.

it's a fair game.if you die it's because you made a foolish move or werent properly equipped/Lvled. The Game isnt cheap like NG2 where 3 enemies are spamming rockets at you.

Thats what everyone is saying about it.
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#142 TheOldOlder
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Sorry, I only buy games that are possible to beat.

2-10-08
Demon's Souls is not coming to the 360 anyway
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#143 Kandlegoat
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[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]

Haha, yeah. I am looking forward to playing a game that his hard and not cheap.

2beers_in_hand

it's a fair game.if you die it's because you made a foolish move or werent properly equipped/Lvled. The Game isnt cheap like NG2 where 3 enemies are spamming rockets at you.

Thats what everyone is saying about it.

yeah..it's true though.

most games this hard are usually unbalanced or extremely cheap.

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#144 2beers_in_hand
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[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"][QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

it's a fair game.if you die it's because you made a foolish move or werent properly equipped/Lvled. The Game isnt cheap like NG2 where 3 enemies are spamming rockets at you.

Kandlegoat

Thats what everyone is saying about it.

yeah..it's true though.

most games this hard are usually unbalanced or extremely cheap.

Like I posted a page back. The Destructiod review couldn't complete the game in time. But instead of blaming the game he blamed it on his faulty strategy's.

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#145 Goomba_Lord37
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I'm going to get it next week.

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[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]I hope Amazon ships mine out quickly :(Jandurin
Yeah its weird, this is the first time I pre-ordered through Amazon, typically I get my orders 1-2 day after, and the estimated shipping date is 3 days after my ship date, but for DS it says shipping on the 6th, but estimated 14-15th, so I'm consued, I hope its some sort of bug and I do get it later this week..

Shipping estimate: October 13, 2009 :( I did the free shipping, so they always add a week, I do hope they don't actually take the whole week to get it out :lol:

By the time you get Demon's Souls, I will have already ascended to demonhood. I will stand on an alter of human bone and sacrifice the souls of my enemies to dark gods. My existence will be a churning smokestack in the void, you will turn on your game and my presence will enter the world and the world will shudder. Your controller will vibrate momentarily before sputtering out, black smoke will pour out of your PS3, and the nightmares of mankind will emerge from your television set.

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Yeah, this game is awesome. Demon's Souls is the greatest game out there. It's a shame most people just can't handle it. I may start a support group for those who can't handle the awesomeness. Something like "Don't Worry, You'll Be a Man Someday".... Demon's Souls.... AGGGGGGGGGHhh. AAAAA! AHhhhhhhhhhhh! - The only appropriate response to a game this badass is to scream until your head explodes and then go outside and dragon kick a tree through a car.

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#147 bstarter29
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I would love to pick it up tomorrow, but I'm dropping $120 next week on U2/Brutal Legend, and I'm already knee deep in NGS2, KH: 358 Days, and I still haven't started Batman: AA. I suck. Everytime I go in to Gamestop though, they want me to pre-order DS. I did last time I was in there, but had to go back and cancel it because I just wouldn't have the time for it right away. Definately getting it in November/December.
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#148 subrosian
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There are no excuses for not playing Demon's Souls. Here's a visual guide to the general "nature" of the game:

If you don't play, it has already broken you :P

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#149 pyromaniac223
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I guess I am very, very broken
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#150 Kahuna_1
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There are no excuses for not playing Demon's Souls. Here's a visual guide to the general "nature" of the game:

If you don't play, it has already broken you :P

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