Demon's Souls is gamespot's GOTY (Keep it here or face punishment)

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#201 aroxx_ab
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....and PS3 get another GOTY game, 360 is left out in the dust :lol:

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#202 JLF1
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You'd think a game that implements better RPG elements, and focuses on the genre better would win that genre award... Odd, indeed. And don't get me started on that strategy award. Bah.

Stevo_the_gamer

So you think Hearts of Iron 3 should have won best strategy game as well? After all it was the deepest game in the genre this year.

I can understand why people think Sims 3 isn't a strategy game but it really frustrates me that people nominate Dawn of War 2 instead which is even less of a strategy game than Sims 3.

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#203 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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So you think Hearts of Iron 3 should have won best strategy game as well? After all it was the deepest game in the genre this year.

I can understand why people think Sims 3 isn't a strategy game but it really frustrates me that people nominate Dawn of War 2 instead which is even less of a strategy game than Sims 3.

JLF1

Nope, I would think that belongs to Empire: Total War. I'm not sure how measuring the level of depth is actually possible though.

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#204 tubbyc
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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Then how'd a game with light RPG elements beat Dragon Age: Origins for Best RPG? :?

Stevo_the_gamer

Because it won the best RPG of the year not the deepest RPG of the year.

It's not always the deepest game in a genre that represents it the best. If that was the case then Hearts of Iron 3 would have won Strategy game of the year and Arma 2 Shooter of the year.

Demon's souls are more of a flawless game than Dragon Age. Dragon Age goes deeper but not everything works as good as it should because of that.

Demon's souls is an RPG but it's not RPG parts in it that are the core fundations of the gameplay. It's more in the background.

You'd think a game that implements better RPG elements, and focuses on the genre better would win that genre award... Odd, indeed. And don't get me started on that strategy award. Bah.

Here's the explanation:

"The 2009 awards break down the top games of the year into categories based on genre. As games grow increasingly diverse and inventive and incorporate multiple facets of various genres, it becomes harder and harder to assign them to a single category, but we've done so here to the best of our ability. Therefore, our awards represent the best game in the genre, and not the game that best represents the genre it's categorized as."

http://au.gamespot.com/best-of/genre-awards/index.html

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#205 shikakrinks
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really? this game doesnt appeal to me in the slightest....is it really that good?

BeanTownBrown86

i was also thinking the same before i bought this game. but man, this game is really awesome than i expected. if u2, mw2, ac2 wasnt released this year, i probably still playing this game. im on my 2nd playthrough right now and the enemies is more harder even on a pure white WT.

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#206 jmdude
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that was surprising :o

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#207 awuilfj
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You'd think a game that implements better RPG elements, and focuses on the genre better would win that genre award... Odd, indeed. And don't get me started on that strategy award. Bah.Stevo_the_gamer
Better rpg elements oh you mean using that awful combat system from BG2 which they had 10 years to improve or choosing 4 lines of dialogue all the time.
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#208 fun-da-mental
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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Then how'd a game with light RPG elements beat Dragon Age: Origins for Best RPG? :?

Stevo_the_gamer

Because it won the best RPG of the year not the deepest RPG of the year.

It's not always the deepest game in a genre that represents it the best. If that was the case then Hearts of Iron 3 would have won Strategy game of the year and Arma 2 Shooter of the year.

Demon's souls are more of a flawless game than Dragon Age. Dragon Age goes deeper but not everything works as good as it should because of that.

Demon's souls is an RPG but it's not RPG parts in it that are the core fundations of the gameplay. It's more in the background.

You'd think a game that implements better RPG elements, and focuses on the genre better would win that genre award... Odd, indeed. And don't get me started on that strategy award. Bah.

I believe the reason why DS won best RPG award because it broke away with tradition casual RPG games and tried new and innovative gameplay elements to RPG genre, whereas DA:O offered great traditional RPG game mechanics but offered nothing new.

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#209 R3FURBISHED
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Very glad Dragon Age or Modern Warfare 2 didn't win it, and also glad Uncharted II lost it as well. Demon's Souls is a great winner, I need to find some way to play it.
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#210 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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>I believe the reason why DS won best RPG award because it broke away with tradition casual RPG games and tried new and innovative gameplay elements to RPG genre, whereas DA:O offered great traditional RPG game mechanics but offered nothing new.

fun-da-mental

So why did Killzone 2 win best FPS if it brought nothing new to the table, or how about Uncharted 2--how did that win with no innovation? I really doubt that's the reason DS won. :P

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#211 FIipMode
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lol PS3 fanboys are pissed out too...

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Huh? Why would PS fans be pissed? A PS3 game still won.
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#212 ZookGuy
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Great *moves on with life*.
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#213 JLF1
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Nope, I would think that belongs to Empire: Total War. I'm not sure how measuring the level of depth is actually possible though.

Stevo_the_gamer



Same way someone would judge the depth of an RPG.

HOI3 kicks the ass of Empire when it comes to strategy but it lacks the tactical battles of Empire. HOI3 is the better "strategy" game but falls when it comes to other things. The overworld map in Empire is a joke compared to the overworld map in HOI3 but that's all HOI3 has.

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#214 awuilfj
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[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]>I believe the reason why DS won best RPG award because it broke away with tradition casual RPG games and tried new and innovative gameplay elements to RPG genre, whereas DA:O offered great traditional RPG game mechanics but offered nothing new.

Stevo_the_gamer

So why did Killzone 2 win best FPS if it brought nothing new to the table, or how about Uncharted 2--how did that win with no innovation? I really doubt that's the reason DS won. :P

They have everything justified.
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#215 calvinx6
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And Boom there goes the dynamite. LMAO

Although DS won GOTY i still won't get, not my type of game.

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#216 WasntAvailable
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Intresting pick. Seems a bit of a double standard, but still an awesome game.

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#217 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nope, I would think that belongs to Empire: Total War. I'm not sure how measuring the level of depth is actually possible though.

JLF1



Same way someone would judge the depth of an RPG.

HOI3 kicks the ass of Empire when it comes to strategy but it lacks the tactical battles of Empire. HOI3 is the better "strategy" game but falls when it comes to other things. The overworld map in Empire is a joke compared to the overworld map in HOI3 but that's all HOI3 has.

So HI3 has a better World Map? I'll take the tactical battles on land, siege, and naval combat thank you very much. That's what makes Empire so much damn fun -- nothing beats having thousands of soldiers march across a field getting hit by arty and then having a massive line-infantry combat war. Ha. Regardless, I honestly couldn't discuss with you the level of depth within HoI3 due too I haven't had the pleasure of experiencing it; twas on my Christmas list, but Santa did not deliver.

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#218 jmdude
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that was surprising :o

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#219 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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that was surprising :o

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Even after the platform awards?
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#220 brickdoctor
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Game looks stupid to me. :(

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#221 fun-da-mental
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[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]>I believe the reason why DS won best RPG award because it broke away with tradition casual RPG games and tried new and innovative gameplay elements to RPG genre, whereas DA:O offered great traditional RPG game mechanics but offered nothing new.

Stevo_the_gamer

So why did Killzone 2 win best FPS if it brought nothing new to the table, or how about Uncharted 2--how did that win with no innovation? I really doubt that's the reason DS won. :P

KillZone2 offered nothing new but it was better than other shooters. You are probably undermining the fact that Demon Souls is just a game with few innovative ideas. The game has lot of depth and is awesome in almost every way, it has outstanding level design and atmosphere. Its combat mechanics and animations is way ahead of games like DA:O and Oblivion.
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#222 Gxgear
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My mind is blown.

As much as I enjoyed Demon's Souls, I didn't think GS would go for a game that's doesn't have a lot of mass appeal.

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#223 JLF1
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So HI3 has a better World Map? I'll take the tactical battles on land, siege, and naval combat thank you very much. That's what makes Empire so much damn fun -- nothing beats having thousands of soldiers march across a field getting hit by arty and then having a massive line-infantry combat war. Ha. Regardless, I honestly couldn't discuss with you the level of depth within HoI3 due too I haven't had the pleasure of experiencing it; twas on my but Santa did not deliver.

Stevo_the_gamer

Have you played any of the Europa Univeralis or Hearts of Iron games before?

I was trying to make an awfully bad analogy with HOI3 and Empire. HOI3 is the deepest pure strategy game (Dragon Age) but Empire which is weaker on strategy even if it works great also has the whole tactical battle gameplay in place that makes it the overall more interesting game (Demon's souls).

Yes I draw a difference between Strategy (overworld, planning and mico-managing gameplay outside combat)and tactical (battle) gameplay which is why I find it funny when people hate on Sims 3 not being a strategy game but then mention games like Dawn of War 2 instead which basically is a pure tactics game.

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#224 XenogearsMaster
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Damn... That's a huge surprise. Uncharted 2 seems to had overall package though. Oh well...
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#225 yoyo462001
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Now this is just stupid, i dont even know why everyone is arguing even cows are arguing with each other. This is gamespot awards they mean absolutely nothing, they are not the academy awards, who cares who some guys called xxxx and yyyy from Gamspot think..if you thought uncharted was your GOTY then guess what IT IS. GS dont decide what was your GOTY is. Mine was Borderlands ive had the most fun on that, im not complaining about it because..really arguing over goty is pathetic.
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#226 haziqonfire
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My response is .. 'really?'

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#227 delta3074
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

That is awesome. Good job Gamespot. You didn't fall victim to hype.

Though, a better upset pick would have been The Sims 3.

Now I want a PS3 even more. :cry:

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Hype for what?

UC 2
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#228 nervmeister
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So, is it safe to call Demon's Souls the Sleeper Hit of the Year as well?
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#229 heretrix
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Ugh. I love Demon's Souls but game of the year? Meh.

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#230 InsaneBasura
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I can't understand why everyone likes this game. Everything I've heard about it makes it sound like something only a small niche would be into, but everywhere I go everyone's praising it. The success of this game has baffled me. I've always failed to see the appeal of dungeon crawlers. The idea of one that is horrendously difficult and unforgiving, and takes place in medieval dullness is wholly unappetizing to the point of vomiting being imminent.

What I can appreciate however is the innovative gameplay mechanics that are strewn about. Hope that stuff finds its way into games I'd have the possibility to enjoy.

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#231 colosion
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]you really should not write U2 in the same sentence like MW2...foxhound_fox

Why not? Both games were incredibly hyped up by the community, deserved or not. There are plenty of people out there who think these games are the best things ever made... and haven't even come close to passing the honeymoon period, let alone seeing if it stands the test of time over a 5, 10 and 20 year period.

I have no doubt that 20 years from now, Demon's Souls is going to be one of those unique games that people look back upon fondly like with other unique games from the NES and SNES eras. Uncharted 2 however, will probably be lost to the ravages of time, even within the next couple years.

I am sorry, but you sound a bit hypocrite. You haven't even played the games. How can you make an assumption like that. And I advise you to not play MGS4. Well, if you at least don't want the series ruined for you.

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#232 superapo
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this made my day:lol:

gamespot didn't even give uncharted 2 best ps3 game:lol:

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#233 KHAndAnime
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I can't understand why everyone likes this game. Everything I've heard about it makes it sound like something only a small niche would be into

InsaneBasura

If it's a good game, who cares if it only appeals to a small niche? Aren't simulators and sports games eligible for GOTY?

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#234 JLF1
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I can't understand why everyone likes this game. Everything I've heard about it makes it sound like something only a small niche would be into, but everywhere I go everyone's praising it. The success of this game has baffled me. I've always failed to see the appeal of dungeon crawlers. The idea of one that is horrendously difficult and unforgiving, and takes place in medieval dullness is wholly unappetizing to the point of vomiting being imminent.

What I can appreciate however is the innovative gameplay mechanics that are strewn about. Hope that stuff finds its way into games I'd have the possibility to enjoy.

InsaneBasura

Have you played the game?

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#235 foxhound_fox
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My mind is blown.

As much as I enjoyed Demon's Souls, I didn't think GS would go for a game that's doesn't have a lot of mass appeal.

Gxgear


What does appeal have to do with an award? The award is about what the editor's at Gamespot think is the best game of the year... not what they think the community likes the most. That is why we have reader's choice awards, so we can say what our picks are. Gamespot's GOTY is about what Gamespot thinks.

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#236 Espada12
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[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

I can't understand why everyone likes this game. Everything I've heard about it makes it sound like something only a small niche would be into

KHAndAnime

If it's a good game, who cares if it only appeals to a small niche? Aren't simulators and sports games eligible for GOTY?

Don't think I've seen either make a GOTY nominee list.. but I could be wrong.

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#237 kweeni
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i thought uncharted 2 would win, nice surprise. now i want the game xD
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#238 ElTriforceo
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So how in the world did Infamous get IPotY?

Mogotoo
I think they saw it as setting a better basis for future games, while they kinda see Demon's Souls as a one time fantastic thing. Maybe that's what they mean by it.
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#239 Lab392
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Woah! Underdog of the year takes it!

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#240 KHAndAnime
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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

I can't understand why everyone likes this game. Everything I've heard about it makes it sound like something only a small niche would be into

Espada12

If it's a good game, who cares if it only appeals to a small niche? Aren't simulators and sports games eligible for GOTY?

Don't think I've seen either make a GOTY nominee list.. but I could be wrong.

Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't a game with mass appeal either. It's the 4th game in a line of cinematic espionage games. Mass appeal isn't necessary. Demons Souls isn't really a niche game either. It's just an RPG.
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#241 theSADmafioso
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I can't understand why everyone likes this game. Everything I've heard about it makes it sound like something only a small niche would be into, but everywhere I go everyone's praising it. The success of this game has baffled me. I've always failed to see the appeal of dungeon crawlers. The idea of one that is horrendously difficult and unforgiving, and takes place in medieval dullness is wholly unappetizing to the point of vomiting being imminent.

What I can appreciate however is the innovative gameplay mechanics that are strewn about. Hope that stuff finds its way into games I'd have the possibility to enjoy.

InsaneBasura

I felt exacly like you but I got the game anyways and I agree with Gamespot on GOTY. Try this game before passing it on because it's a gem much like the game in your sig. ;)

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#242 deactivated-59d151f079814
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I am still trying to figure out how Uncharted 2, and Ratchet and Clank.. Beat Dragon Age in voice acting and script..
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#243 heretrix
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I can't understand why everyone likes this game. Everything I've heard about it makes it sound like something only a small niche would be into, but everywhere I go everyone's praising it. The success of this game has baffled me. I've always failed to see the appeal of dungeon crawlers. The idea of one that is horrendously difficult and unforgiving, and takes place in medieval dullness is wholly unappetizing to the point of vomiting being imminent.

What I can appreciate however is the innovative gameplay mechanics that are strewn about. Hope that stuff finds its way into games I'd have the possibility to enjoy.

InsaneBasura

Well it's certainly worthy of the praise it gets. The thing about it being difficult is kind of tricky, It isn't really hard or unforgiving, it's just challenging in a fair way, unlike most games that cheapen the difficulty by either gimping the controls or giving you overpowered enemies to fight. The learning curve is the thing in this game, you have to figure out how the world works, once you figure that out, you see why everyone is praising it so much. It's one of those games that once it clicks with you, you will appreciate how good it is.

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#244 Vandalvideo
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I am still trying to figure out how Uncharted 2, and Ratchet and Clank.. Beat Dragon Age in voice acting and script.. sSubZerOo
I didn't really think Dragon Age was all that good in voice acting. I mean, Duncan was the only voice that really stuck out to me. Shale made me giggle once or twice, but that was about it. Nothing mind blowing about the performances. I greatly prefer U2's vo.
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#245 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I am still trying to figure out how Uncharted 2, and Ratchet and Clank.. Beat Dragon Age in voice acting and script.. Vandalvideo
I didn't really think Dragon Age was all that good in voice acting. I mean, Duncan was the only voice that really stuck out to me. Shale made me giggle once or twice, but that was about it. Nothing mind blowing about the performances. I greatly prefer U2's vo.

... Hehehe its kind of funny you mention that because Alister voices in U2 as well. And the dwarf npc (wow can't remember his name) sounds just like Wolverine.

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#246 heretrix
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I am still trying to figure out how Uncharted 2, and Ratchet and Clank.. Beat Dragon Age in voice acting and script.. sSubZerOo

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#247 Vandalvideo
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... Hehehe its kind of funny you mention that because Alister voices in U2 as well. And the dwarf npc (wow can't remember his name) sounds just like Wolverine.sSubZerOo
Really? And which character was he in U2? BTW; As far as that wolverine sounding dwarf goes, I'm like 90% sure that was Steven Blum.
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#248 colosion
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I am still trying to figure out how Uncharted 2, and Ratchet and Clank.. Beat Dragon Age in voice acting and script.. sSubZerOo
I AM COVERED IN BLOOD!!

Great story man.

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#249 heretrix
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] ... Hehehe its kind of funny you mention that because Alister voices in U2 as well. And the dwarf npc (wow can't remember his name) sounds just like Wolverine.Vandalvideo
Really? And which character was he in U2? BTW; As far as that wolverine sounding dwarf goes, I'm like 90% sure that was Steven Blum.

He was Harry Flynn.

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#250 Killfox
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I now remember why I hated gamespot. It always takes atleast a year for me to remember and then bam its in your face. DS is deserving, but UC2 or DAO should have won.