Destiny is already a mess on the level of FFXIII

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#101 Maneil99
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[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

Can you shut up, the heck did you miss when they mentioned merging changing the concept of single player and a persistent world to explore. Does that not scream open world MMO already and one of them even mentioned it in the presentation anywayz. The presentation was for Developers, not consumers hence the name GDC

Timstuff

The developers were not impressed (I should know, because my brother is a developer and he was there). The only people who were impressed by Bungee's presentation were the press people, because they were too enamored by all the pretty pictures to realize how little progress Bungee has actually made on the project.

Destiny has a release date does it not? Where at all do any devs say they are not impressed with Destiny's progress? 

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#102 hoplayletsplay
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Final Fantasy XIII was a good game. I can see where some of the hate comes from, but it was far from a mess.

6_Shooter_25

I don't think anyone doubted FFXIII being a good game. BUT! It could have been so much better. There is some serious potential in that FF entry. I think they've gone trough a development hell and the final product just lacked that something special. I wonder what it'll be like if Square did manage to release the game on PS2 as it was first intended to. [spoiler] A mix of FFX and FFXII wonderfulness [/spoiler]

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#103 happyduds77
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Shut up, it's an awesome game. Bungie are very talented.

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#104 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"]

FFXIII was great.

InformerSnow

if it was the first final fantasy you ever play

not really true.

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#105 Mario1331
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doesnt Destiny have a release date? maybe they want to release info as time goes on ala GTAV

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#106 Gibsonsg527
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What are you basing this off of. What footage or info have they released? 

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#107 zarshack
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What are you basing this off of. What footage or info have they released? 

Gibsonsg527

He's basing it off the fact that they haven't shown much footage or released much info and trying to say that they have nothing to show at all.

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#108 WilliamRLBaker
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lol my brother is a developer and was at gdc so I know what Im talking about.....lololol
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#109 loosingENDS
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In the end, will be like all games that come after some huge hit like Halo with MS backup

 

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#110 Optical_Order
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What are you basing this off of. What footage or info have they released? 

Gibsonsg527

Uninspiring concept art video. 

Not really going to judge the game until I can at least see some gameplay, but I definitely wasn't impressed by the video they showed. 

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#111 AdamPA1006
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I'm willing to give this game a sporting chance.  Bungie knows how to make great games.

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"Square Enix knows how to make great games"--- FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FF13.
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#112 Wickerman777
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FF13 rated 83 on PS3 and 79 on 360. That may not be the best FF ever but that's far, far, FARRRRRRRR from a mess.

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#113 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Looks like a Halo rip-off. No hype whatsoever at this point.

Timstuff

They would have been better off staying with Microsoft and being the Halo factory forever (not that Microsoft needs them anymore, if Halo 4's sales mean anything).

halo 4 sold a respectable 4 million so far.

not trying to say its in any way bad, but im pretty confident 2/3rds of those sales are from the halo name

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#114 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I'm willing to give this game a sporting chance.  Bungie knows how to make great games.

AdamPA1006

"Square Enix knows how to make great games"--- FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FF13.

the FF13 hate is really annoying here. i dont get where you guys get its a bad game, starting to think half of you havent even played it

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#115 Michael0134567
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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I'm willing to give this game a sporting chance.  Bungie knows how to make great games.

Mario1331

"Square Enix knows how to make great games"--- FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FF13.

the FF13 hate is really annoying here. i dont get where you guys get its a bad game, starting to think half of you havent even played it

People love to exaggerate.

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#116 DrTrafalgarLaw
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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I'm willing to give this game a sporting chance.  Bungie knows how to make great games.

Mario1331

"Square Enix knows how to make great games"--- FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FF13.

the FF13 hate is really annoying here. i dont get where you guys get its a bad game, starting to think half of you havent even played it

It's bad. 22 hours in and I still couldn't make my own team of three.
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#117 LustForSoul
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They talk about rare armor and all that, make it almost sound like an nmmo. I hope it's more to the mmo side. Otherwise it's a 30 hour shooter where you complete a set amount of missions with teams and that's it. What more can you expect anyway?
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#118 AdamPA1006
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[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I'm willing to give this game a sporting chance.  Bungie knows how to make great games.

Mario1331

"Square Enix knows how to make great games"--- FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FF13.

the FF13 hate is really annoying here. i dont get where you guys get its a bad game, starting to think half of you havent even played it

It deserves every single ounce of hate it gets. Its my most hated game. Graphics and music were great, I even didnt mind the battle system, but the story and characters are the biggest MESS in history. There is no way to make a worse story or annoying characters than that.
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#121 Gibsonsg527
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[QUOTE="Gibsonsg527"]

What are you basing this off of. What footage or info have they released? 

zarshack

He's basing it off the fact that they haven't shown much footage or released much info and trying to say that they have nothing to show at all.

Its march and the game doesn't come out until next year of course they are not going to show alot of footage or spill alot of info yet they are trying to build some hype. This is nothing new most big name developers and publishers do this. 

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#122 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"] "Square Enix knows how to make great games"--- FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FF13. AdamPA1006

the FF13 hate is really annoying here. i dont get where you guys get its a bad game, starting to think half of you havent even played it

It deserves every single ounce of hate it gets. Its my most hated game. Graphics and music were great, I even didnt mind the battle system, but the story and characters are the biggest MESS in history. There is no way to make a worse story or annoying characters than that.

only character i could see annoying is lightning....possibly Sazh, but the game is in no way a bad game....Big Mutha Truckers is a BAD game.

you just admitted you only have a problem with the characters and story. story in video games are almost always terrible anyway

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#123 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]They would have been better off staying with Microsoft and being the Halo factory forever (not that Microsoft needs them anymore, if Halo 4's sales mean anything).AncientDozer

halo 4 sold a respectable 4 million so far.

not trying to say its in any way bad, but im pretty confident 2/3rds of those sales are from the halo name

That could be said of any game or, really, anything. Apple products sell on name alone. . Bioshock sells on name alone. . anything Blizzard does sells on name and brand alone. . et cetera. . et cetera.

The Iphone sells on name alone, not apple tv

Mario sells on name alone.....not Pikmin

COD sells on name alone not Blur. Do you kind of seeing what im doing here?

games and merchandise thats already critically known and loved will always sell, but the ones who are trying to make a name for themselves will always have a challenge

thats why halo will never have a problem because its brand is so strong. im pretty sure most people that bought Halo 4 had no idea Bungie didnt make the game until it said 343 industries when you start it

you cant really generalize everything a branch sells is going to be a hit.

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#124 SecretPolice
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Oh ye of little faith, Destiny is gonna rock, trust me or better yet... Believe. :P

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#125 Rockman999
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Halo 4 showed me that it is much better off without Bungie.

i343 just proved how useless Bungie were.

For 10 years Microsoft gave Bungie an unlimited buget yet their games had the production values of a home movie shot by a second grader.

Looking at the Destiny reveal(@ 3:18) I can see they are still using the same animations from Halo 2.

Same animations from the Destiny video(@8:42)

:lol:

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#126 parkurtommo
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Guess it's a troll thread since TC just abandoned ship. *sigh*

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#127 SecretPolice
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Halo 4 showed me that it is much better off without Bungie.

i343 just proved how useless Bungie were.

For 10 years Microsoft gave Bungie an unlimited buget yet their games had the production values of a home movie shot by a second grader.

Looking at the Destiny reveal(@ 3:18) I can see they are still using the same animations from Halo 2.

Same animations from the Destiny video(@8:42)

:lol:

Rockman999

Firstly, name another dev with 5, count'em, 5 AAAE's in a row? :shock:

Secondly, your sig looks like a launch title for Kinect 2 :o :twisted:

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#128 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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I'm not really an Halo fan (actually FAR from it) but Destiny caught my eye. I like the Star Wars kinda artsyle way more than the "space rangers hurrah" of Halo. I just hope its an optional MMO and you can also play it SP offline...

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#129 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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Halo 4 showed me that it is much better off without Bungie.

i343 just proved how useless Bungie were.

For 10 years Microsoft gave Bungie an unlimited buget yet their games had the production values of a home movie shot by a second grader.

Looking at the Destiny reveal(@ 3:18) I can see they are still using the same animations from Halo 2.

Same animations from the Destiny video(@8:42)

:lol:

Rockman999

On the 1st video...

"We dont know if somethin can be bigger than Halo"...

Its called Call of Duty, or Mario, or GTA, or...

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#130 casharmy
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Sounds to me like they just want everyone to know how much thought they put into their new game...

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#131 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="AncientDozer"][QUOTE="Mario1331"]

halo 4 sold a respectable 4 million so far.

not trying to say its in any way bad, but im pretty confident 2/3rds of those sales are from the halo name

Mario1331

That could be said of any game or, really, anything. Apple products sell on name alone. . Bioshock sells on name alone. . anything Blizzard does sells on name and brand alone. . et cetera. . et cetera.

The Iphone sells on name alone, not apple tv

Mario sells on name alone.....not Pikmin

COD sells on name alone not Blur. Do you kind of seeing what im doing here?

games and merchandise thats already critically known and loved will always sell, but the ones who are trying to make a name for themselves will always have a challenge

thats why halo will never have a problem because its brand is so strong. im pretty sure most people that bought Halo 4 had no idea Bungie didnt make the game until it said 343 industries when you start it

you cant really generalize everything a branch sells is going to be a hit.

Its brand is strong because a) the games are fantastic and b) its marketing.

Blur didn't sell because Activision didn't give a shlt and didn't market it.

I'm confused as to why you even brought up people buying Halo 4 just because its called Halo? Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

PS. Halo 4 has sold a lot more than 4 million. It sold 3.1 million on day one and had reached 4 million by the beginning of December. Its now April.

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#132 Pray_to_me
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Destiny seems like an interesting concept. But that's the problem. This many years into development it should be way past the concept stage. 

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#133 RR360DD
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Destiny seems like an interesting concept. But that's the problem. This many years into development it should be way past the concept stage. 

Pray_to_me
And how do you know it isnt?
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#134 Pray_to_me
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[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

Destiny seems like an interesting concept. But that's the problem. This many years into development it should be way past the concept stage. 

RR360DD

And how do you know it isnt?

There should be some real gameplay to show after what? 3, 4 years? Considering the scope of the game there should be much more. 

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#135 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

Destiny seems like an interesting concept. But that's the problem. This many years into development it should be way past the concept stage. 

Pray_to_me

And how do you know it isnt?

There should be some real gameplay to show after what? 3, 4 years? Considering the scope of the game there should be much more. 

There is gameplay to show, they just aren't showing it yet.

We will see gameplay, but historically Bungie have done it at E3. Vi-Docs with small snippets of gameplay are the norm for Bungie, theyve been doing it with Halo so its no surprise they're doing it with Destiny.

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#136 heretrix
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Bungie and Square are two completely different developers. You should be ashamed.

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#137 deactivated-5c8ff6a32bb23
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The game's not even out yet. Let's wait till it's out to see how it is.
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#138 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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Bungie and Square are two completely different developers. You should be ashamed.

heretrix
By that very logic we should not be hyping Destiny up just because they made one epic franchise heavily influence by microsoft support either. Bungie made Halo... great, what gaurentees this games success? especially considering MMOFPS are 10x more likely to fall flat on their faces.
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#139 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Bungie and Square are two completely different developers. You should be ashamed.

MBirdy88

By that very logic we should not be hyping Destiny up just because they made one epic franchise heavily influence by microsoft support either. Bungie made Halo... great, what gaurentees this games success? especially considering MMOFPS are 10x more likely to fall flat on their faces.

That's not my point at all. You can't say that Bungie is going to fail because Square did a sh!tty job on their MMO, that's just moronic. Hell, you could replace ANY developer there and it would still be a stupid assumption. Destiny might fail (I doubt it) but they probably won't fail because of what Square did. There are too many factors at work here.

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#140 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Bungie and Square are two completely different developers. You should be ashamed.

heretrix

By that very logic we should not be hyping Destiny up just because they made one epic franchise heavily influence by microsoft support either. Bungie made Halo... great, what gaurentees this games success? especially considering MMOFPS are 10x more likely to fall flat on their faces.

That's not my point at all. You can't say that Bungie is going to fail because Square did a sh!tty job on their MMO, that's just moronic. Hell, you could replace ANY developer there and it would still be a stupid assumption. Destiny might fail (I doubt it) but they probably won't fail because of what Square did. There are too many factors at work here.

Actually, all of you in favour of this game fall for the same trap that he does. only, the TC made a valid point, this isn't a damn single player game, its an MMO, these things need to show gameplay .... they need to be heavily tested by the user base. This far into its life, much like most other MMOFPS that have not shown anything are worrying. As far as im concerned its a valid concern and the word BUNGIE means NOTHING.
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#141 jg4xchamp
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Bungie will choke
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#142 ReadingRainbow4
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Destiny honestly looks pretty disappointing, I expect "planets," the same size of a halo level.

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#143 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"] That could be said of any game or, really, anything. Apple products sell on name alone. . Bioshock sells on name alone. . anything Blizzard does sells on name and brand alone. . et cetera. . et cetera.RR360DD

The Iphone sells on name alone, not apple tv

Mario sells on name alone.....not Pikmin

COD sells on name alone not Blur. Do you kind of seeing what im doing here?

games and merchandise thats already critically known and loved will always sell, but the ones who are trying to make a name for themselves will always have a challenge

thats why halo will never have a problem because its brand is so strong. im pretty sure most people that bought Halo 4 had no idea Bungie didnt make the game until it said 343 industries when you start it

you cant really generalize everything a branch sells is going to be a hit.

Its brand is strong because a) the games are fantastic and b) its marketing.

Blur didn't sell because Activision didn't give a shlt and didn't market it.

I'm confused as to why you even brought up people buying Halo 4 just because its called Halo? Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

PS. Halo 4 has sold a lot more than 4 million. It sold 3.1 million on day one and had reached 4 million by the beginning of December. Its now April.

read the conversation then you would understand.

All we know is how much Halo 4 sold from data and so far data only says it sold 4 million as of now. 

we all knows it sold more now but noody knows how much more and nobody honestly cares that isnt the point

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#144 AznbkdX
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] By that very logic we should not be hyping Destiny up just because they made one epic franchise heavily influence by microsoft support either. Bungie made Halo... great, what gaurentees this games success? especially considering MMOFPS are 10x more likely to fall flat on their faces.MBirdy88

That's not my point at all. You can't say that Bungie is going to fail because Square did a sh!tty job on their MMO, that's just moronic. Hell, you could replace ANY developer there and it would still be a stupid assumption. Destiny might fail (I doubt it) but they probably won't fail because of what Square did. There are too many factors at work here.

Actually, all of you in favour of this game fall for the same trap that he does. only, the TC made a valid point, this isn't a damn single player game, its an MMO, these things need to show gameplay .... they need to be heavily tested by the user base. This far into its life, much like most other MMOFPS that have not shown anything are worrying. As far as im concerned its a valid concern and the word BUNGIE means NOTHING.

I actually agree with you a bit. Bungie is a name, and doesn't mean that it may reproduce the same success at all especially on an untested formula.

Not everyone creates masterpieces every time. There is a good chance that there will be stinkers no matter who you are unless you don't make many games or are stuck in one franchise in general. Now that Bungie has shifted to new games it may not end the same way.

Also it is troublesome that an MMO of all things doesn't show any real amounts of gameplay nor any thoughts of a beta run. I'm not sure when this comes out but if its soon, I would probably get on doing that.

Not saying it won't at least be a good game, since the idea is fairly sound and Bungie tends to know what they are doing at least when it comes to shooters in general, but it may not be the vision that some of you are expecting it to be. I would be glad to eat my words though.