Destructoid can't be serious...

I think people are missing the point. Piracy DOES harm the PC gaming community. Developers see it as an evil. They see potentially lost sales. So they try to prevent that by adding DRM. PC gamers get indignant because DRM is inherently wrong, and rightfully so because many PC gamers are not pirates. So developers still seeing piracy as hurting their bottom line on PC only titles decide to go multiplatform. We see the consolification of games that were once great. And in the end, that is causing harm to the community. There really is no getting around that. You may argue that piracy does not equal a lost sale or that it's not wrong and blah blah blah. But can you seriously argue that piracy has done no damage to the PC community?

marq4porsche

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]I seem to remember all these argument about piracy killing PC gaming last gen, now it's stronger than ever. DD is the future of gaming and guess what the lead platform of that kind of dispersal? PC. LOXO7

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

whats funny is, the full builds were leaked on PS3/XBOX360 2 weeks before PC leak, and destructoid had nothing to say about it.

The build was leaked internally and was barely downloaded, try again :roll:

The article is stupid and console games are leaked way more often and way more early.

This is pretty old. We had a big thread on it.

The cynic in me has to remind you that you're giving the sites more hits by doing this too.

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

I think people are missing the point. Piracy DOES harm the PC gaming community. Developers see it as an evil. They see potentially lost sales. So they try to prevent that by adding DRM. PC gamers get indignant because DRM is inherently wrong, and rightfully so because many PC gamers are not pirates. So developers still seeing piracy as hurting their bottom line on PC only titles decide to go multiplatform. We see the consolification of games that were once great. And in the end, that is causing harm to the community. There really is no getting around that. You may argue that piracy does not equal a lost sale or that it's not wrong and blah blah blah. But can you seriously argue that piracy has done no damage to the PC community?

Captain__Tripps

That may be true, I was having a conversation about someone about the same thing. But it makes me wonder....if that were entirely true, why didn't the first game come out for consoles as well? If they wanted to maximize profits from the get-go, it only seems logical that they'd design every game they made for all platforms from the start. They didn't with Crysis 1, because their priority wasn't money, it was being able to realize their game to its fullest extent. For the amount Crysis was pirated, I can completely see why they went to consoles.

I think claiming piracy has no hand in titles moving multi-plat is somewhat disingenuous. It may not be the sole cause, but I have no doubt it plays a larger part than simply being a scapegoat.

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

I think people are missing the point. Piracy DOES harm the PC gaming community. Developers see it as an evil. They see potentially lost sales. So they try to prevent that by adding DRM. PC gamers get indignant because DRM is inherently wrong, and rightfully so because many PC gamers are not pirates. So developers still seeing piracy as hurting their bottom line on PC only titles decide to go multiplatform. We see the consolification of games that were once great. And in the end, that is causing harm to the community. There really is no getting around that. You may argue that piracy does not equal a lost sale or that it's not wrong and blah blah blah. But can you seriously argue that piracy has done no damage to the PC community?

Captain__Tripps

That is also true, the consoles do make a lot of money for a developer. But it does hurt the confidance a company has in the market when people are pirating their games by the millions. So that doesn't help the developer give their best to that demographic. They take away mod support and only give us a resolution bump instead of treating the game to the full PC treatment which it could have, had the company been less wary of the market.

Truth be told if someone pirates a game they really didnt plan on buying it in the first place so where is this ''lost sale''?

[QUOTE="thespywholied"]

Cheers Destructoid i such love being compared to a criminal for being a PC gamer. :roll:

Truth be told if someone pirates a game they really didnt plan on buying it in the first place so where is this ''lost sale''?

AncientDozer

Truth be told if someone pirates a game they really didnt plan on buying it in the first place so where is this ''lost sale''?

thespywholied

You might think that what you're doing is harmless. On an individual level, it is. But it's not just you doing it. There are heaps of you. You're doing harm to an industry you should be supporting if you want more good games, and there is literally no excuse for you. If you can't afford it, suck it up. There are lots of things most of us can't afford, and we don't go out stealing them. If you think DRM is bad, don't buy the game. Don't just f**** help yourself to it illegally, because all that does is qualify the DRM in the first place. Anything you can use to justify piracy is easily refuted because, guess what, piracy ain't bloody justifiable.

Truth be told if someone pirates a game they really didnt plan on buying it in the first place so where is this ''lost sale''?

thespywholied

[QUOTE="thespywholied"]

Truth be told if someone pirates a game they really didnt plan on buying it in the first place so where is this ''lost sale''?

locopatho

The biggest publisher in the world admits it's not a lost sale. Who are we to doubt them?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/EA-Admits-Pirated-Copies-Do-Not-Equal-Lost-Sales-94516.shtml

The biggest publisher in the world admits it's not a lost sale. Who are we to doubt them?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/EA-Admits-Pirated-Copies-Do-Not-Equal-Lost-Sales-94516.shtml

Espada12

"Stepping aside from the whole issue of DRM, people need to recognize thatevery BitTorrent download doesn't represent a successful copy of a game, let alone a lost sale" key word there.

what your own source is saying is that NOT ALL pirated copies equal sales. there is no denying plenty of pirated copies do equal lost sales.

Here we go again

Piracy is not killing pc gaming, PERIOD. Stop listening to the total crap the companies are feeding you. PC games have grown at a large the past several years. Consoles have been declining accross the board, and if you count all the random crap on pc, last year in NA pc had a larger marketshare than consoles.

Companies try to use it justifacation for going multiplatform, as that sounds better in the news, then well we want more of the moneyz.

Is piracy wrong, sure, is it killing any one no.

Jim Sterling is a moron, nothing more nothing less.Robbazking

It is the truth that no one wants to hear. biggest_loser

ITT: PC gamers react to an inflammatory article by stating that pirating on the consoles is on the same level as pirating on the PC, and that pirated copies /= any lost sales. Why can't anyone actually be reasonable?DarthBilf

It calls a lynch on PC gamers and it calls out to developers to stop making games on PC, because someone from EA/Crytek leaked the beta on the internet.

Makes any sense to you?

It sure as **** doesn't make any sense to me.

[QUOTE="thespywholied"]

Truth be told if someone pirates a game they really didnt plan on buying it in the first place so where is this ''lost sale''?

R3FURBISHED

You might think that what you're doing is harmless. On an individual level, it is. But it's not just you doing it. There are heaps of you. You're doing harm to an industry you should be supporting if you want more good games, and there is literally no excuse for you. If you can't afford it, suck it up. There are lots of things most of us can't afford, and we don't go out stealing them. If you think DRM is bad, don't buy the game. Don't just f**** help yourself to it illegally, because all that does is qualify the DRM in the first place. Anything you can use to justify piracy is easily refuted because, guess what, piracy ain't bloody justifiable.

The quote may not even support pirating so please take that holier-than-thou crap somewhere else. Perhaps answering his question would be the normal thing to do? :roll:

Anyway, it is seen as a loss of sale because the product similar or otherwise was aquired by another source instead of the main one.

For example, if there are two stores across from each other and they both sell the same product, any sells that the competition will make is called a "loss of sale." The reasoning is that a sale made to the competition is a sell that they could've had. In the case of pirating, while the other entity does not profit or lose anything, the main source of the product is still at a loss because the product they made was aquired but they could not profit from it. This can't apply to people that don't buy the game because - well, they don't have the game.

[QUOTE="thespywholied"]

Cheers Destructoid i such love being compared to a criminal for being a PC gamer. :roll:

Truth be told if someone pirates a game they really didnt plan on buying it in the first place so where is this ''lost sale''?

AncientDozer