Developer Face-Off: Intelligent Systems versus Naughty Dog

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]I'm not arguing, I'm just telling a very true story. Check out my response, James Bond. :) (Shaken, not stirred, right?)

My buddy is a real life person, He's a great friend, so it's all good.I say IS, He says IS, so there is no need to argue, since we agree.

His statement regarding a single game was curious, until I remembered my friend after I quoted him, and I realized even my friend would say/respond the same way (We do some late night Diners/Denny's Conversations with a group of us). :)

SolidTy

I'm going to be completely honest here and say the story came off as more of an attack at being a Nintendo fan. The story had more of an undertone about Nintendo fans being "die hard" as you put it when in true fact, there is really no way to know. Granted I am way more uptight in SW since you can never really tell someone's tone unless they exagerate it. Also, your friends sounds nice :P

Okay, I have to be real, real careful here.

I'm surrounded by guys with MARIO SIGS!

*Gulps*

I just want to take time out and say MARIO is awesome okay...

As far as Hardcore, I wasn't sure if he was like my buddy or what, that's why I asked. I have buddies on extreme sides, too, like a Hardcore Xbox guy, a PC guy, a Nintendo guy, a Sony guy, and a bunch of Manticores. It's like SW at Denny's sometimes, and I feel bad for the waitress. :)

Respect the sig and nobody gets hurt 8)

Anyway, the only thing worse than SW around here is SW in real life. Sometimes it boggles the mind how clueless real life system Warriors were. Some guy I know things the N64 was the best selling console ever :lol: The waitress probably enjoys it though, nothing better than some Crysis > life talk right before breakfast :P

Both developers are excellent at what they do. For me, however, I have to say I enjoy IS games more-so than I do ND. Series, such as Advance Wars are absolutely amazing and fun and I have always enjoyed them. I can say the same with the Jak & Daxter series, but that's about all I've played of ND's games.

But yeah, both excellent developers who both deserve the praise they receive.

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I'm not arguing, I'm just telling a very true story. Check out my response, James Bond. :) (Shaken, not stirred, right?)

My buddy is a real life person, He's a great friend, so it's all good.I say IS, He says IS, so there is no need to argue, since we agree.

His statement regarding a single game was curious, until I remembered my friend after I quoted him, and I realized even my friend would say/respond the same way (We do some late night Diners/Denny's Conversations with a group of us). :)

Apology accepted, and I'm sorry for trying to compare you to my friend, but he is a cool guy, really.

If you like to debate about games, those late night Denny's sessions come highly recommended.We also talk sports, News, Music, and Politics, it depends on the night.

Love both but Naught Dog is my Favorite developerbesides Nintendo!

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Hey, it was a very powerful statement, I was just curious.Jeez, no need to get up in arms.

*Backs off slowly*

Put down the Wiimote Nunchuck and Nintendo Lightgun, let's chill for a sec. :)

I know you can blast me, I see that Motion Plus connection...

My friend was a real life person, so it's fine, I didn't make him up. You less like my friend with the new comments, but I was actually just curious about that one statement.

DeathScape666

Yeah, Sometimes SW makes people a little too edgy, I forget about that. It's happened to me, but these days I just try to chillax.

Glad to have gotten a laugh. :P

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I'm going to be completely honest here and say the story came off as more of an attack at being a Nintendo fan. The story had more of an undertone about Nintendo fans being "die hard" as you put it when in true fact, there is really no way to know. Granted I am way more uptight in SW since you can never really tell someone's tone unless they exagerate it. Also, your friends sounds nice :P

ActicEdge

Okay, I have to be real, real careful here.

I'm surrounded by guys with MARIO SIGS!

*Gulps*

I just want to take time out and say MARIO is awesome okay...

As far as Hardcore, I wasn't sure if he was like my buddy or what, that's why I asked. I have buddies on extreme sides, too, like a Hardcore Xbox guy, a PC guy, a Nintendo guy, a Sony guy, and a bunch of Manticores. It's like SW at Denny's sometimes, and I feel bad for the waitress. :)

Respect the sig and nobody gets hurt 8)

Anyway, the only thing worse than SW around here is SW in real life. Sometimes it boggles the mind how clueless real life system Warriors were. Some guy I know things the N64 was the best selling console ever :lol: The waitress probably enjoys it though, nothing better than some Crysis > life talk right before breakfast :P

Sometimes my friends and I (the non-XBox 360 fans!) compare girls to video games. Graphics are looks, and gameplay is personality. It's good fun always trying to find the "Crysis killer." Many think it's Megan Fox, but I wouldn't say she's much more than a Perfet Dark Zero out of 10.

Look at the list of each; I think the better one is obvious.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Okay, I have to be real, real careful here.

I'm surrounded by guys with MARIO SIGS!

*Gulps*

I just want to take time out and say MARIO is awesome okay...

As far as Hardcore, I wasn't sure if he was like my buddy or what, that's why I asked. I have buddies on extreme sides, too, like a Hardcore Xbox guy, a PC guy, a Nintendo guy, a Sony guy, and a bunch of Manticores. It's like SW at Denny's sometimes, and I feel bad for the waitress. :)

ActicEdge

Respect the sig and nobody gets hurt 8)

Anyway, the only thing worse than SW around here is SW in real life. Sometimes it boggles the mind how clueless real life system Warriors were. Some guy I know things the N64 was the best selling console ever :lol: The waitress probably enjoys it though, nothing better than some Crysis > life talk right before breakfast :P

She always smiles, but I always wonder if she hates us because of our debates...but we do tip 20% or more everytime, because we know she has to deal with us. We aren't loud, or rude, but sometimes it gets nerdy.

Luckily, we do it for fun, and don't hate eachother, lol.

Naughty Dog. The Crash Bandicoot series had some of the best platformers around. The jak series is also awesome.

Naughty Dog made Crash Team Racing, for that they win.

Naughty Dog for me

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Okay, I have to be real, real careful here.

I'm surrounded by guys with MARIO SIGS!

*Gulps*

I just want to take time out and say MARIO is awesome okay...

As far as Hardcore, I wasn't sure if he was like my buddy or what, that's why I asked. I have buddies on extreme sides, too, like a Hardcore Xbox guy, a PC guy, a Nintendo guy, a Sony guy, and a bunch of Manticores. It's like SW at Denny's sometimes, and I feel bad for the waitress. :)

DeathScape666

Respect the sig and nobody gets hurt 8)

Anyway, the only thing worse than SW around here is SW in real life. Sometimes it boggles the mind how clueless real life system Warriors were. Some guy I know things the N64 was the best selling console ever :lol: The waitress probably enjoys it though, nothing better than some Crysis > life talk right before breakfast :P

Sometimes my friends and I (the non-XBox 360 fans!) compare girls to video games. Graphics are looks, and gameplay is personality. It's good fun always trying to find the "Crysis killer." Many think it's Megan Fox, but I wouldn't say she's much more than a Perfet Dark Zero out of 10.

I know lol. Honestly, even the average SW posters coulddestroy some of the arguments I hear lol. One dude I know thought all FPSs were built on soley unreal tech. Granted the guy didn't even know what an engine was :lol: Heh and that Crysis killer game, I gotta talk to my buds about that :P

You basically made this thread to make you feel better about your dislike of the Naughty Dog development stuido by comparing it to one of the largest, longest running, highest budgetand greatest game developers of all time :|. Did you really think this was going to be a fair comparison? I very much doubt that.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Okay, I have to be real, real careful here.

I'm surrounded by guys with MARIO SIGS!

*Gulps*

I just want to take time out and say MARIO is awesome okay...

As far as Hardcore, I wasn't sure if he was like my buddy or what, that's why I asked. I have buddies on extreme sides, too, like a Hardcore Xbox guy, a PC guy, a Nintendo guy, a Sony guy, and a bunch of Manticores. It's like SW at Denny's sometimes, and I feel bad for the waitress. :)

SolidTy

Respect the sig and nobody gets hurt 8)

Anyway, the only thing worse than SW around here is SW in real life. Sometimes it boggles the mind how clueless real life system Warriors were. Some guy I know things the N64 was the best selling console ever :lol: The waitress probably enjoys it though, nothing better than some Crysis > life talk right before breakfast :P

She always smiles, but I always wonder if she hates us because of our debates...but we do tip 20% or more everytime, because we know she has to deal with us. We aren't loud, or rude, but sometimes it gets nerdy.

Luckily, we do it for fun, and don't hate eachother, lol.

For 20+% tip, she had better suck it up :P I doubt she hates you though, you could always ask however though it might be awkward lol

You basically made this thread to make you feel better about your dislike of the Naughty Dog development stuido by comparing it to one of the largest, longest running, highest budgetand greatest game developers of all time :|. Did you really think this was going to be a fair comparison? I very much doubt that.

WasntAvailable

And Naughty dog is getting lots of votes. What does that say about the thread or SW in general? Naughty Dog can hold there own against anybody even if they aren't the best.

Before 2001 Intelligent systems all the way

After that.

Naughty dog all the way

The only amazing game after that i think they made was The thousand year door. And super paper mario was one of the most dissapointing games this gen. No turnbased combat FTL, its like, it tried to be a platformer and an rpg at the same time, but in doing that, the platforming wasnt good, and the rpg elements were really weak.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

You basically made this thread to make you feel better about your dislike of the Naughty Dog development stuido by comparing it to one of the largest, longest running, highest budgetand greatest game developers of all time :|. Did you really think this was going to be a fair comparison? I very much doubt that.

ActicEdge

And Naughty dog is getting lots of votes. What does that say about the thread or SW in general? Naughty Dog can hold there own against anybody even if they aren't the best.

Naughty Dog are great, though it definatly does say something about SW (Something that just about everyone knows.)considering IS has about 5 times as many classic titles compared to Naughty Dog. Perhaps given time ND could be better, but really, with what ND have done at the momentthey don't have the range of classic titles across so many genres to compare to IS. Just about anyone should see that.

This thread got me strolling down through memory lane :)...and as a result I was reading through the reviews of the Crash Bandicoot games on Gamespot and I was wondering if the review for Crash Team Racing took anyone else to the downloads page of Gamespot. :?

Super Metroid beats EVERYTHING. Also having Advance Wars just makes it mega-overkill.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

You basically made this thread to make you feel better about your dislike of the Naughty Dog development stuido by comparing it to one of the largest, longest running, highest budgetand greatest game developers of all time :|. Did you really think this was going to be a fair comparison? I very much doubt that.

WasntAvailable

And Naughty dog is getting lots of votes. What does that say about the thread or SW in general? Naughty Dog can hold there own against anybody even if they aren't the best.

Naughty Dog are great, though it definatly does say something about SW (Something that just about everyone knows.)considering IS has about 5 times as many classic titles compared to Naughty Dog. Perhaps given time ND could be better, but really, with what ND have done at the momentthey don't have the range of classic titles across so many genres to compare to IS. Just about anyone should see that.

Well its fairly obvious Intellengent Systems are above Naughty Dog based solely on time frame and title output but I think its a fair comparison none the less if we are just going by what people like. Naughty Dog makes good games and if you look at the games of each on game rankings they are virtually equal (obviously that's where we take title output and variety into account but still). On top of that IS is really not that appreciated unless its by older gamers around here since alot of there stuff is generally light hearted.

This thread reminded me of how I want to pick up Paper Mario again. :s

Anyways, IS obviously has a more impressive resume.

This thread got me strolling down through memory lane :)...and as a result I was reading through the reviews of the Crash Bandicoot games on Gamespot and I was wondering if the review for Crash Team Racing took anyone else to the downloads page of Gamespot. :?

forgot_it

Don't need a review to tell me that game was awesome. One of the best kart racers ever.

Super Metroid beats EVERYTHING. Also having Advance Wars just makes it mega-overkill.

MetroidPrimePwn

Agreed but they really werent the same after Gunpei Yokoi left. The man made ONE mistake! just one, and nintendo basically fired him for the virtualboy, wtf. He gave them the gameboy their biggest success ever and some of the best games of all time

I gotta go with ND. IS doesn't have anything I like.

Super Metroid beats EVERYTHING. Also having Advance Wars just makes it mega-overkill.

MetroidPrimePwn

Looks like Naughty God has spoken despite the biased intentions of the thread.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

And Naughty dog is getting lots of votes. What does that say about the thread or SW in general? Naughty Dog can hold there own against anybody even if they aren't the best.

ActicEdge

Naughty Dog are great, though it definatly does say something about SW (Something that just about everyone knows.)considering IS has about 5 times as many classic titles compared to Naughty Dog. Perhaps given time ND could be better, but really, with what ND have done at the momentthey don't have the range of classic titles across so many genres to compare to IS. Just about anyone should see that.

Well its fairly obvious Intellengent Systems are above Naughty Dog based solely on time frame and title output but I think its a fair comparison none the less if we are just going by what people like. Naughty Dog makes good games and if you look at the games of each on game rankings they are virtually equal (obviously that's where we take title output and variety into account but still). On top of that IS is really not that appreciated unless its by older gamers around here since alot of there stuff is generally light hearted.

I still don't see ND as in the same leauge as IS. A much fairer comparison would be Blizzard, now that could be heated. It dosn't really matter though because over 40 people actually consider them better :|.

Naughty Dog? What have they did lately? I thought they went bankrupt but they did something just as brilliant, stick with Sony. They should of started to deveop things on the 360.

Burning-Sludge

The poll just goes to show how many Cows are on system wars, because ND are beating Intelligent Systems, even though Intelligent Systems have developed the likes of Advance Wars (a mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), Paper Mario (again mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), the Fire Emblem franchise, the WarioWare franchise and even Super Metroid, that's right super Metroid. Yes people have different opinions about which developer they prefer, and while they might prefer ND's work more than IS' they still can't let IS' be denied of being the overall better developer (in terms of industry impact, games made that not only they like but others as well and sales wise) as IS' overall back catalog is better than ND' from a general view.

I like Naughty Dog but I think Intellegent Systemsis better. Naughty Dog has this tendency (like Insomniac) today reproduce the same game constantly. The games are fun but, granted they get stale after a while.

ActicEdge

The poll just goes to show how many Cows are on system wars, because ND are beating Intelligent Systems, even though Intelligent Systems have developed the likes of Advance Wars (a mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), Paper Mario (again mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), the Fire Emblem franchise, the WarioWare franchise and even Super Metroid, that's right super Metroid. Yes people have different opinions about which developer they prefer, and while they might prefer ND's work more than IS' they still can't let IS' be denied of being the overall better developer (in terms of industry impact, games made that not only they like but others as well and sales wise) as IS' overall back catalog is better than ND' from a general view like imo and many others.

St_muscat

The poll just goes to show how many Cows are on system wars, because ND are beating Intelligent Systems, even though Intelligent Systems have developed the likes of Advance Wars (a mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), Paper Mario (again mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), the Fire Emblem franchise, the WarioWare franchise and even Super Metroid, that's right super Metroid. Yes people have different opinions about which developer they prefer, and while they might prefer ND's work more than IS' they still can't let IS' be denied of being the overall better developer (in terms of industry impact, games made that not only they like but others as well and sales wise) as IS' overall back catalog is better than ND' from a general view like imo and many others.

St_muscat

But Super Metroid wasn't IS, IS only programmed for it, they didn't design it, etc.

This thread could be used to show there are MORE COWS than SHEEP OR

Check this out :

Some posters may feel that Naughty Dog is pushing the gaming forward more recently than IS, and not voting Nostalgia.

It's hard to say. If you are a CONSOLE GAMER, maybe IS's games aren't so great, since they make a lot of Handhelds game syou wouldn't play.
Does that make the CONSOLE GAMER a Cow, or does it make them a CONSOLE GAMER?

But you are right, it can mean more Cows than Sheep, but it's too hard to say that conclusively, due to IS's latest offerings. It's easy to make handheld games faster than a console game.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I like Naughty Dog but I think Intellegent Systemsis better. Naughty Dog has this tendency (like Insomniac) today reproduce the same game constantly. The games are fun but, granted they get stale after a while.

tmacscores91

[QUOTE="St_muscat"]

The poll just goes to show how many Cows are on system wars, because ND are beating Intelligent Systems, even though Intelligent Systems have developed the likes of Advance Wars (a mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), Paper Mario (again mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), the Fire Emblem franchise, the WarioWare franchise and even Super Metroid, that's right super Metroid. Yes people have different opinions about which developer they prefer, and while they might prefer ND's work more than IS' they still can't let IS' be denied of being the overall better developer (in terms of industry impact, games made that not only they like but others as well and sales wise) as IS' overall back catalog is better than ND' from a general view like imo and many others.

tmacscores91

I guess that's another way to put it, lol at my responce above.

The poll just goes to show how many Cows are on system wars, because ND are beating Intelligent Systems, even though Intelligent Systems have developed the likes of Advance Wars (a mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), Paper Mario (again mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), the Fire Emblem franchise, the WarioWare franchise and even Super Metroid, that's right super Metroid. Yes people have different opinions about which developer they prefer, and while they might prefer ND's work more than IS' they still can't let IS' be denied of being the overall better developer (in terms of industry impact, games made that not only they like but others as well and sales wise) as IS' overall back catalog is better than ND' from a general view.

St_muscat

[QUOTE="tmacscores91"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I like Naughty Dog but I think Intellegent Systemsis better. Naughty Dog has this tendency (like Insomniac) today reproduce the same game constantly. The games are fun but, granted they get stale after a while.

St_muscat

[QUOTE="tmacscores91"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I like Naughty Dog but I think Intellegent Systemsis better. Naughty Dog has this tendency (like Insomniac) today reproduce the same game constantly. The games are fun but, granted they get stale after a while.

St_muscat

And exactly why SPM felt really boring. Still it wasn't horrible or anything.

Also to point outthe hilarious contradiction in the post before: "Naughty Dog knew when to end spyro..." + "Insomniac drags on like Ratchet and clank, but not Naughty Dog..." = :lol:

[QUOTE="St_muscat"]

The poll just goes to show how many Cows are on system wars, because ND are beating Intelligent Systems, even though Intelligent Systems have developed the likes of Advance Wars (a mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), Paper Mario (again mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), the Fire Emblem franchise, the WarioWare franchise and even Super Metroid, that's right super Metroid. Yes people have different opinions about which developer they prefer, and while they might prefer ND's work more than IS' they still can't let IS' be denied of being the overall better developer (in terms of industry impact, games made that not only they like but others as well and sales wise) as IS' overall back catalog is better than ND' from a general view like imo and many others.

SolidTy

But Super Metroid wasn't IS, IS only programmed for it, they didn't design it, etc.

This thread could be used to show there are MORE COWS than SHEEP OR

Check this out :

Some posters may feel that Naughty Dog is pushing the gaming forward more recently than IS, and not voting Nostalgia.

It's hard to say. If you are a CONSOLE GAMER, maybe IS's games aren't so great, since they make a lot of Handhelds game syou wouldn't play.
Does that make the CONSOLE GAMER a Cow, or does it make them a CONSOLE GAMER?

But you are right, it can mean more Cows than Sheep, but it's too hard to say that conclusively, due to IS's latest offerings. It's easy to make handheld games faster than a console game.

Oh didn't know that, my bad, assumed when TC posted it as a IS game I tought they must have made it, guess I should have looked it up next time :p. But anyway how have ND moved the industry foward lately? what has uncharted done for the industry? But yeah that was a bit fanboyish of me to say IS >>> ND = fact, forgot about the whole they develop more for handheld thing, as I've always owned a Nintendo handheld for every gen.

Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, and Paper Mario. IS no contest.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I like Naughty Dog but I think Intellegent Systemsis better. Naughty Dog has this tendency (like Insomniac) today reproduce the same game constantly. The games are fun but, granted they get stale after a while.

tmacscores91

Insomniac is Spyro :| Also, IS does fantastic work on more than just Mario (which is fantastic by the way), they do advance wars, fire emblem, wario ware, etc. I like Naughty Dog but they are not better than IS in my opinion. Not at all even if they are solid.

(just to throw SW for a little loop) the hardcore gamer's answer should be Intelligent systems. They make some of the most hardcore games out there. The latest Fire Emblem game was so hardcore that the reviewer completely sucked at it. (While the people who were actually good at it loved it)

[QUOTE="St_muscat"]

[QUOTE="tmacscores91"] Paper Mario....seriously, take a plumber and turn him into paper TEH ING3NUITY1!!!!1!!1! Naughty Dog knew when to end spyro, they knew when to end Jak and Daxter, and they will end Uncharted properly as well. Insomniac drags on like Ratchet and clank, but not Naughty Dogtmacscores91

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

Naughty Dog are great, though it definatly does say something about SW (Something that just about everyone knows.)considering IS has about 5 times as many classic titles compared to Naughty Dog. Perhaps given time ND could be better, but really, with what ND have done at the momentthey don't have the range of classic titles across so many genres to compare to IS. Just about anyone should see that.

WasntAvailable

Well its fairly obvious Intellengent Systems are above Naughty Dog based solely on time frame and title output but I think its a fair comparison none the less if we are just going by what people like. Naughty Dog makes good games and if you look at the games of each on game rankings they are virtually equal (obviously that's where we take title output and variety into account but still). On top of that IS is really not that appreciated unless its by older gamers around here since alot of there stuff is generally light hearted.

I still don't see ND as in the same leauge as IS. A much fairer comparison would be Blizzard, now that could be heated. It dosn't really matter though because over 40 people actually consider them better :|.

Oh don't think that I am on the Naughty Dog fence. I think IS is quite superior but that's just me. I'm just saying that the comparison isn't completely absurd. I really don't know how ND is winning though, that's just ridiculous quite frankly.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="St_muscat"]

The poll just goes to show how many Cows are on system wars, because ND are beating Intelligent Systems, even though Intelligent Systems have developed the likes of Advance Wars (a mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), Paper Mario (again mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), the Fire Emblem franchise, the WarioWare franchise and even Super Metroid, that's right super Metroid. Yes people have different opinions about which developer they prefer, and while they might prefer ND's work more than IS' they still can't let IS' be denied of being the overall better developer (in terms of industry impact, games made that not only they like but others as well and sales wise) as IS' overall back catalog is better than ND' from a general view like imo and many others.

St_muscat

But Super Metroid wasn't IS, IS only programmed for it, they didn't design it, etc.

This thread could be used to show there are MORE COWS than SHEEP OR

Check this out :

Some posters may feel that Naughty Dog is pushing the gaming forward more recently than IS, and not voting Nostalgia.

It's hard to say. If you are a CONSOLE GAMER, maybe IS's games aren't so great, since they make a lot of Handhelds game syou wouldn't play.
Does that make the CONSOLE GAMER a Cow, or does it make them a CONSOLE GAMER?

But you are right, it can mean more Cows than Sheep, but it's too hard to say that conclusively, due to IS's latest offerings. It's easy to make handheld games faster than a console game.

Oh didn't know that, my bad, assumed when TC posted it as a IS game I tought they must have made it, guess I should have looked it up next time :p. But anyway how have ND moved the industry foward lately? what has uncharted done for the industry? But yeah that was a bit fanboyish of me to say IS >>> ND = fact, forgot about the whole they develop more for handheld thing, as I've always owned a Nintendo handheld for every gen.

I loved Super Metriod, and I think IS is better too. :) We are oldschool gamers though.

Uncharted is more a combination of technical marvels and fun gameplay combined, nothing in particular, to me at least.

I just think that a new gamer may vote for the Technical wonders of a console game like Uncharted than the amazing fun games on a handheld/ of IS's latest offerings.

IS being making handheld games means we get games faster though, since they take less time to make, but I think Console Developers get more respect in the mainstream.

On the flip side, if someone said "IS is winning, there's too many sheep in here" I would tell them that no, it may mean that people like IS better. It's hard to say.

Lemmings have voted in this poll, did they vote for IS or ND? Tough to say. :)