Developer Face-Off: Intelligent Systems versus Naughty Dog

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[QUOTE="tmacscores91"] Paper Mario....seriously, take a plumber and turn him into paper TEH ING3NUITY1!!!!1!!1! Naughty Dog knew when to end spyro, they knew when to end Jak and Daxter, and they will end Uncharted properly as well. Insomniac drags on like Ratchet and clank, but not Naughty DogWasntAvailable

And exactly why SPM felt really boring. Still it wasn't horrible or anything.

Also to point outthe hilarious contradiction in the post before: "Naughty Dog knew when to end spyro..." + "Insomniac drags on like Ratchet and clank, but not Naughty Dog..." = :lol:

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The poll just goes to show how many Cows are on system wars, because ND are beating Intelligent Systems, even though Intelligent Systems have developed the likes of Advance Wars (a mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), Paper Mario (again mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), the Fire Emblem franchise, the WarioWare franchise and even Super Metroid, that's right super Metroid. Yes people have different opinions about which developer they prefer, and while they might prefer ND's work more than IS' they still can't let IS' be denied of being the overall better developer (in terms of industry impact, games made that not only they like but others as well and sales wise) as IS' overall back catalog is better than ND' from a general view.

BigDaddyPOLO

No they definitely did not. I like those franchises but they are nothing to go nuts about, they had virtually no impact on their genre let alone the industry as a whole.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Well its fairly obvious Intellengent Systems are above Naughty Dog based solely on time frame and title output but I think its a fair comparison none the less if we are just going by what people like. Naughty Dog makes good games and if you look at the games of each on game rankings they are virtually equal (obviously that's where we take title output and variety into account but still). On top of that IS is really not that appreciated unless its by older gamers around here since alot of there stuff is generally light hearted.

ActicEdge

I still don't see ND as in the same leauge as IS. A much fairer comparison would be Blizzard, now that could be heated. It dosn't really matter though because over 40 people actually consider them better :|.

Oh don't think that I am on the Naughty Dog fence. I think IS is quite superior but that's just me. I'm just saying that the comparison isn't completely absurd. I really don't know how ND is winning though, that's just ridiculous quite frankly.

Crash is a HORRIBLE series and people are way to nostalgic about it, Jak games were great and so was uncharted but IS has a lot of fantastic games that cover more variety and imo are over all way better developer's. Who cares if its on a handheld or not, the level in which a handeld is judged is different then that of a console, im surprised that people even bring that up.

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The poll just goes to show how many Cows are on system wars, because ND are beating Intelligent Systems, even though Intelligent Systems have developed the likes of Advance Wars (a mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), Paper Mario (again mostly AAA franchise, AA at lowest), the Fire Emblem franchise, the WarioWare franchise and even Super Metroid, that's right super Metroid. Yes people have different opinions about which developer they prefer, and while they might prefer ND's work more than IS' they still can't let IS' be denied of being the overall better developer (in terms of industry impact, games made that not only they like but others as well and sales wise) as IS' overall back catalog is better than ND' from a general view.

ActicEdge

No they definitely did not. I like those franchises but they are nothing to go nuts about, they had virtually no impact on their genre let alone the industry as a whole.

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[QUOTE="tmacscores91"] Paper Mario....seriously, take a plumber and turn him into paper TEH ING3NUITY1!!!!1!!1! Naughty Dog knew when to end spyro, they knew when to end Jak and Daxter, and they will end Uncharted properly as well. Insomniac drags on like Ratchet and clank, but not Naughty Dogtmacscores91

I can't stand when people make claims like this, uncharted has revolutionized nothing, absolutely nothing. Being revolutionary is not the same thing as being good. Super Mario Bros was revolutionary, Zelda OoT was revolutionary, Super Mario 64 was revolutionary, Doom and wolfenstein were revolutionary, uncharted is absolutely not. Its a good game with pretty graphics, its not industry defining however, not even close.

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[QUOTE="St_muscat"] Um turning Mario in paper actually was pretty awesome belive it or not, as it allowed for some pretty awesome and cool ways to solve puzzles and for you get to also get some pretty wack power ups as well. But anyway, that aside it was nothing like a Mario game, it was an RPG, not a platformer, that's why it never felt stale and reused over and over again.

tmacscores91

And exactly why SPM felt really boring. Still it wasn't horrible or anything.

Also to point outthe hilarious contradiction in the post before: "Naughty Dog knew when to end spyro..." + "Insomniac drags on like Ratchet and clank, but not Naughty Dog..." = :lol:

What I don't understand is how can you confuse a purple dragonwith an orange anthropomorphicbandicoot?

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I still don't see ND as in the same leauge as IS. A much fairer comparison would be Blizzard, now that could be heated. It dosn't really matter though because over 40 people actually consider them better :|.

mexicangordo

Oh don't think that I am on the Naughty Dog fence. I think IS is quite superior but that's just me. I'm just saying that the comparison isn't completely absurd. I really don't know how ND is winning though, that's just ridiculous quite frankly.

Crash is a HORRIBLE series and people are way to nostalgic about it, Jak games were great and so was uncharted but IS has a lot of fantastic games that cover more variety and imo are over all way better developer's. Who cares if its on a handheld or not, the level in which a handeld is judged is different then that of a console, im surprised that people even bring that up.

The first part is absolutely correct, the poll is completely opposite to what I was expecting, I thought IS would win but apparently I'm wrong so gotta suck it up, the people have spoken. Crash however was not a horrible series, it just wasn't as great as people remember. The only fantasic Crash game was 3, the others were good but not outstanding. The series was flawed in a way but it was still good. I also do't really know why people are trying to down[lay handheld games as well, god knows Advance wars is probably better than most of the console crap people play.

I love Naughty Dog, but Intelligent Systems is better.

BioShockOwnz

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I love Naughty Dog, but Intelligent Systems is better.

GiantMuffin

You got all that from a simple statement? Are you saying he's wrong, or are you just trying to stir trouble?

ND is my favorite dev right now, but i have to vote IS. Childhood memories man! That, and Paper Mario is one of the greatest RPGs ever.

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I love Naughty Dog, but Intelligent Systems is better.

ActicEdge

You got all that from a simple statement? Are you saying he's wrong, or are you just trying to stir trouble?

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And exactly why SPM felt really boring. Still it wasn't horrible or anything.

Also to point outthe hilarious contradiction in the post before: "Naughty Dog knew when to end spyro..." + "Insomniac drags on like Ratchet and clank, but not Naughty Dog..." = :lol:

WasntAvailable

What I don't understand is how can you confuse a purple dragonwith an orange anthropomorphicbandicoot?

[QUOTE="tmacscores91"][QUOTE="St_muscat"] Um turning Mario in paper actually was pretty awesome belive it or not, as it allowed for some pretty awesome and cool ways to solve puzzles and for you get to also get some pretty wack power ups as well. But anyway, that aside it was nothing like a Mario game, it was an RPG, not a platformer, that's why it never felt stale and reused over and over again.

ActicEdge

I can't stand when people make claims like this, uncharted has revolutionized nothing, absolutely nothing. Being revolutionary is not the same thing as being good. Super Mario Bros was revolutionary, Zelda OoT was revolutionary, Super Mario 64 was revolutionary, Doom and wolfenstein were revolutionary, uncharted is absolutely not. Its a good game with pretty graphics, its not industry defining however, not even close.

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[QUOTE="GiantMuffin"] You think anything non-Sony is better than anything Sony.GiantMuffin

You got all that from a simple statement? Are you saying he's wrong, or are you just trying to stir trouble?

I have seen him say good things about Sony. I think he just plays along with the Sony hate thing because all the fanboys seem to think its wrong for him to have an active opinion. I mean, he just said he loves Naughty Dog yet you made it seem like it was negative. Are you looking for a reason to attack him?

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[QUOTE="tmacscores91"] lets turn drake into sand then. IS is a helluva developer, trust me, SM is one of my favorite games of all time. but they dont do anything to revolutionize a game. Look at uncharted, it revolutionized action/adventure and graphic abilities for a console. they push limits which is something that IS doesnt do anymoretmacscores91

I can't stand when people make claims like this, uncharted has revolutionized nothing, absolutely nothing. Being revolutionary is not the same thing as being good. Super Mario Bros was revolutionary, Zelda OoT was revolutionary, Super Mario 64 was revolutionary, Doom and wolfenstein were revolutionary, uncharted is absolutely not. Its a good game with pretty graphics, its not industry defining however, not even close.

oh, that was not a well informed statement my friend, not at all

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I can't stand when people make claims like this, uncharted has revolutionized nothing, absolutely nothing. Being revolutionary is not the same thing as being good. Super Mario Bros was revolutionary, Zelda OoT was revolutionary, Super Mario 64 was revolutionary, Doom and wolfenstein were revolutionary, uncharted is absolutely not. Its a good game with pretty graphics, its not industry defining however, not even close.

Mr_Apple_Soup

oh, that was not a well informed statement my friend, not at all

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[QUOTE="tmacscores91"] I meant Naughty Dog knew when to end Crash Bandicoot, and Jak and Daxter. They didnt drag their games on like Insomniac does with Ratchet and Clanktmacscores91

What I don't understand is how can you confuse a purple dragonwith an orange anthropomorphicbandicoot?

I am clam, I was being light hearted. It may have looked as if it was typed quikcly because of the lack of spaces, but that's just due to glitches with Gamespot. I should have used a smilie, but sometimes I just don't feel like using smilies.

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[QUOTE="tmacscores91"] lets turn drake into sand then. IS is a helluva developer, trust me, SM is one of my favorite games of all time. but they dont do anything to revolutionize a game. Look at uncharted, it revolutionized action/adventure and graphic abilities for a console. they push limits which is something that IS doesnt do anymoretmacscores91

I can't stand when people make claims like this, uncharted has revolutionized nothing, absolutely nothing. Being revolutionary is not the same thing as being good. Super Mario Bros was revolutionary, Zelda OoT was revolutionary, Super Mario 64 was revolutionary, Doom and wolfenstein were revolutionary, uncharted is absolutely not. Its a good game with pretty graphics, its not industry defining however, not even close.

That's not revolutionary, that's called competition. They will eventually be surpassed because that's how the industry works. Making the best looking game available is not revolutionary, its just a natural progression of the industry. I hardly call RE4, Splinter cell Chaos theory, Vagrant Story, Gears of War etc revolutionary because they had the best graphics of their time. Good games yes, revolutionary no.

Edit: I hope to God you are not talking about Uncharted 1 cause that just hurts your argument even more.

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[QUOTE="GiantMuffin"] You think anything non-Sony is better than anything Sony.GiantMuffin

You got all that from a simple statement? Are you saying he's wrong, or are you just trying to stir trouble?

Shhhh, he's not the ony one. :P

Anyway, I go with ND. They just keep on evolving and moving up. I just love their games better. Crash Bandicoot is a game I will never forget. And Uncharted hascometo take ova!! :shock:

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Oh don't think that I am on the Naughty Dog fence. I think IS is quite superior but that's just me. I'm just saying that the comparison isn't completely absurd. I really don't know how ND is winning though, that's just ridiculous quite frankly.

Crash is a HORRIBLE series and people are way to nostalgic about it, Jak games were great and so was uncharted but IS has a lot of fantastic games that cover more variety and imo are over all way better developer's. Who cares if its on a handheld or not, the level in which a handeld is judged is different then that of a console, im surprised that people even bring that up.

The first part is absolutely correct, the poll is completely opposite to what I was expecting, I thought IS would win but apparently I'm wrong so gotta suck it up, the people have spoken. Crash however was not a horrible series, it just wasn't as great as people remember. The only fantasic Crash game was 3, the others were good but not outstanding. The series was flawed in a way but it was still good. I also do't really know why people are trying to down[lay handheld games as well, god knows Advance wars is probably better than most of the console crap people play.

ND and Insomniac are among the most generic developers on the planet. IS is much better.

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[QUOTE="tmacscores91"] Uncharted Drakes fortune revolutionized the graphics engine on consoles. every dev is trying to do what they did, and do it better. tmacscores91

oh, that was not a well informed statement my friend, not at all

a revolution is a BIG CHANGE, something that actually CHANGES the a game genre or the industry as a whole. Game graphics are always getting better as time goes on, ALWAYS. Uncharted revolutionized nothing. It raised the bar ever so slightlyfor graphics this gen. Hell, didn't the U3 engine come out BEFORE uncharted and games on that engine have looked better? I can't even remember a time when uncharted was actually graphics king. So no, uncharted didn't revolutionize anything, it just followed a trend that's been occuring on consoles for the last 20 years

ND and Insomniac are among the most generic developers on the planet. IS is much better.

kansasdude2009

Nah, they are good devs. The Spyro and crash games had very imaginative and creative worlds. They were well thought out good games. I think you are being a tad too critical.

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oh, that was not a well informed statement my friend, not at all

Mr_Apple_Soup

a revolution is a BIG CHANGE, something that actually CHANGES the a game genre or the industry as a whole. Game graphics are always getting better as time goes on, ALWAYS. Uncharted revolutionized nothing. It raised the bar ever so slightlyfor graphics this gen. Hell, didn't the U3 engine come out BEFORE uncharted and games on that engine have looked better? I can't even remember a time when uncharted was actually graphics king.

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[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]Well by saying that, you make it seem like the poll was slanted in the sense that you wanted and expected IS to win... However, im actually surprised that ND is winning.

Crash is a HORRIBLE series and people are way to nostalgic about it, Jak games were great and so was uncharted but IS has a lot of fantastic games that cover more variety and imo are over all way better developer's. Who cares if its on a handheld or not, the level in which a handeld is judged is different then that of a console, im surprised that people even bring that up.

DeathScape666

The first part is absolutely correct, the poll is completely opposite to what I was expecting, I thought IS would win but apparently I'm wrong so gotta suck it up, the people have spoken. Crash however was not a horrible series, it just wasn't as great as people remember. The only fantasic Crash game was 3, the others were good but not outstanding. The series was flawed in a way but it was still good. I also do't really know why people are trying to down[lay handheld games as well, god knows Advance wars is probably better than most of the console crap people play.

I'm a little surprised honestly, when you look at the credetials of each company and what the produced, IS should have won this poll, but alas this is SW where simple logic doesn't exist. Its all my opinion > your opinion