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#51 organic_machine
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This would really only affect big publishers who waste money on minimally improved sequels and hire celebrity voice actors. There have been plenty of lesser budget games out there this gen that were wonderful and there will be plenty next gen. Big publishers are going down though, as their 'AAA' games will no longer be able to make profit.
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#52 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]All to implement garbage kinect controls...Lems are reeling and cant catch a break..TLHBO.waltefmoney

You smell of jealousy.

Naw..I wouldn't waste $100 for Kinect, when all they have is garbage, kiddy games, but I'm sure you're ramping up for Star Wars Kinect..amirite? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvKl8ZMQqFU So bad it has to be real..:lol: TLHBO
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#53 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]All to implement garbage kinect controls...Lems are reeling and cant catch a break..TLHBO.SecretPolice

You smell of jealousy.

Umm, that not only jealousy you're smelling but also he shat his pants after seeing what GI is saying about Halo 4 !! :P

Yes, Heil has been demolished.

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#54 Heil68
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]All to implement garbage kinect controls...Lems are reeling and cant catch a break..TLHBO.SecretPolice

You smell of jealousy.

Umm, that not only jealousy you're smelling but also he shat his pants after seeing what GI is saying about Halo 4 !! :P

I'm considering not buying Halo4 on principal of 360 having 1-2 games a year.
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#55 Heil68
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

You smell of jealousy.

waltefmoney

Umm, that not only jealousy you're smelling but also he shat his pants after seeing what GI is saying about Halo 4 !! :P

Yes, Heil has been demolished.

But I'm a survivor Walt, I WILL SURVIVE.
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#56 waltefmoney
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But I'm a survivor Walt, I WILL SURVIVE. Heil68

Not really. Not if Sony goes under. Suicide watch for you.

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#57 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

You smell of jealousy.

Heil68

Umm, that not only jealousy you're smelling but also he shat his pants after seeing what GI is saying about Halo 4 !! :P

I'm considering not buying Halo4 on principal of 360 having 1-2 games a year.

C'mon man, bet you already got your copy of SW Kinect prepaid !! :twisted:

Seriously tho, Halo 4 should rock and ya know, since you've got a 360, you'll jump on-board. :P

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#58 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]But I'm a survivor Walt, I WILL SURVIVE. waltefmoney

Not really. Not if Sony goes under. Suicide watch for you.

Sony isn't going under..PS4 is a go, locked in, ready to rock. Day 1 muther fuking buy. Going to be a wild, pedal to the metal ride Walt, wont you join me? It goes without saying that a thanks is in order for Kazuo Hirai  You have taken Ken's vision and molded into something beutfitul. All the world's your stage. And all the men and women merely players: A non-doer is very often a critic-that is, someone who sits back and watches doers, and then waxes philosophically about how the doers are doing. It's easy to be a critic, but not you Kaz, no being a doer requires effort, risk, and change and you have done a nobel job. Bravo!
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#59 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Umm, that not only jealousy you're smelling but also he shat his pants after seeing what GI is saying about Halo 4 !! :P

SecretPolice

I'm considering not buying Halo4 on principal of 360 having 1-2 games a year.

C'mon man, bet you already got your copy of SW Kinect prepaid !! :twisted:

Seriously tho, Halo 4 should rock and ya know, since you've got a 360, you'll jump on-board. :P

You haven't bought ME3 yet, so it goes to show that skipping a "big" game is quite easily. Since PS3 has a barn bursting amount of world class, high scoring exclusives to play, coupled with my beast PC rig, well, it would be easy to skip Halo4.
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Sony isn't going under..PS4 is a go, locked in, ready to rock. Day 1 muther fuking buy. Going to be a wild, pedal to the metal ride Walt, wont you join me? It goes without saying that a thanks is in order for Kazuo Hirai You have taken Ken's vision and molded into something beutfitul. All the world's your stage. And all the men and women merely players: A non-doer is very often a critic-that is, someone who sits back and watches doers, and then waxes philosophically about how the doers are doing. It's easy to be a critic, but not you Kaz, no being a doer requires effort, risk, and change and you have done a nobel job. Bravo!Heil68

SONY DOMINATION CONTINUATION

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#61 DeadMan1290
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Mmm... If all these rumors circulating around the web about these NexGen consoles, then it's going to be bad. At least for Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo's in a good position. I think.

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#62 TwoFace-BS
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So prices of new games will go up again
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So prices of new games will go up againTwoFace-BS
only seems 'right' (given that they have not even kept up with inflation)
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#64 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] I'm considering not buying Halo4 on principal of 360 having 1-2 games a year. Heil68

C'mon man, bet you already got your copy of SW Kinect prepaid !! :twisted:

Seriously tho, Halo 4 should rock and ya know, since you've got a 360, you'll jump on-board. :P

You haven't bought ME3 yet, so it goes to show that skipping a "big" game is quite easily. Since PS3 has a barn bursting amount of world class, high scoring exclusives to play, coupled with my beast PC rig, well, it would be easy to skip Halo4.

Haven't got ME3 "YET" but there is no way I'm missing playing the 3rd of the trilogy at some point meaning, as soon as I get more time for gaming and hopefully that's real soon. :D

Oh and also, Halo 4 > All !! :P

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Bomba incoming, Nintendomination continuation etc.
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Bomba incoming, Nintendomination continuation etc.Eponique

Nintendo's abomination cancellation.

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#67 Eponique
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[QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"]So prices of new games will go up againrawsavon
only seems 'right' (given that they have not even kept up with inflation)

Neither have books or movies. Video games aren't a product limited by raw materials, the audience is growing bigger = more sales, more revenue, no need to increase prices.
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[QUOTE="Eponique"]Bomba incoming, Nintendomination continuation etc.waltefmoney

Nintendo's abomination cancellation.

Nintendo Ejaculation Domination Preservation.
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Nintendo Ejaculation Domination Preservation.Eponique

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"]So prices of new games will go up againEponique
only seems 'right' (given that they have not even kept up with inflation)

Neither have books or movies. Video games aren't a product limited by raw materials, the audience is growing bigger = more sales, more revenue, no need to increase prices.

your line of reasoning leaves out some VERY significant factors...there are 'materials/resources' to consider -human resource costs have increased (paychecks to keep up with inflation for everyone involved) -buildings (rent or buy) -energy costs to run the building -transportation costs -etc Development costs have increased anywhere from 10-18 x that of just a few generations ago (depending on your source) The instal base is barely 2x as big for that same period ...hopefully you can see the error in your logic without me having to write a thesis I don't want to write and one no one wants to read Inflation affects all things. Same with fuel. Just b/c you don't drive does not mean it does not affect you (cost of goods goes up as the cost to transport them does)
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#71 rawsavon
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@Eponique also, I don't know where you live, but movies are a hell of a lot more expensive to attend than they were in the PS1 era of games .
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[QUOTE="Eponique"]Nintendo Ejaculation Domination Preservation.waltefmoney

Nintendo Casualization Demonstration.

Sony Qualification Cessation
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Sony Qualification CessationEponique

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[QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"]So prices of new games will go up againrawsavon
only seems 'right' (given that they have not even kept up with inflation)

Problem,if these used game rumours are true(and thats a big IF IMO)if prices go up again,people will not be buying as much in general and that could start hurting companies that dont produce the biggest franchises.
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#75 Eponique
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[QUOTE="Eponique"]Sony Qualification Cessationwaltefmoney

Sony Desperation Confimation

Sony Destruction Obligation. [QUOTE="rawsavon"] your line of reasoning leaves out some VERY significant factors...there are 'materials/resources' to consider -human resource costs have increased (paychecks to keep up with inflation for everyone involved) -buildings (rent or buy) -energy costs to run the building -transportation costs -etc Development costs have increased anywhere from 10-18 x that of just a few generations ago (depending on your source) The instal base is barely 2x as big for that same period ...hopefully you can see the error in your logic without me having to write a thesis I don't want to write and one no one wants to read Inflation affects all things. Same with fuel. Just b/c you don't drive does not mean it does not affect you (cost of goods goes up as the cost to transport them does)

I see. But anyway games are getting cheaper to buy, so the increase size of the audience is indeed having an impact on prices.
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Sony Destruction Obligation.Eponique

Cow Agitation Initiation.

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#77 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"]So prices of new games will go up againTwoFace-BS
only seems 'right' (given that they have not even kept up with inflation)

Problem,if these used game rumours are true(and thats a big IF IMO)if prices go up again,people will not be buying as much in general and that could start hurting companies that dont produce the biggest franchises.

without getting into (another) thesis and some economic theory, I will say that that will be a very hard conclusion to backup: -you have to consider the profit from the price increase versus lost sales -you have to factor in how many people that bought used before would switch to new -you have to consider how many people would no longer buy -you have to count digital sales (what, IMO, should replace used sales...should be much cheaper) I will say that one would imagine they have some good economists and financial analysts working on this...people more qualified than most here
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#78 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="Eponique"] I see. But anyway games are getting cheaper to buy, so the increase size of the audience is indeed having an impact on prices.

In my OPINION, that is due more to market forces...consumers refuse to pay more. The market growth is quite small when compared to the growing costs to make games...so that should have a minimal impact. The price of failure is much bigger now than it ever was before...by a long shot. This is why you see so many studios going under and less risk taking.
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#79 Eponique
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[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Sony Destruction Obligation.waltefmoney

Cow Agitation Initiation.

Sony Population Eradication
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#80 WilliamRLBaker
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*sighs* they said BUDGETS AS in budgets in the games them selves you have a certain amount of assets you have available and your having to double them because of what the system can push...they aren't talking about money budget.

The biz website is the one adding money context the developers aren't talking about money.

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[QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"]So prices of new games will go up againrawsavon
only seems 'right' (given that they have not even kept up with inflation)

Prices aren't determined by inflation, they are determined by demand. The only certainty is that if prices go up, less games will be sold.

This is especially true since inflation doesn't raise peoples wages, just their costs.

Only things like utitilites are going to adhere to inflation, since they are a necessity and people don't buy less of them when the cost goes up.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] only seems 'right' (given that they have not even kept up with inflation)

Problem,if these used game rumours are true(and thats a big IF IMO)if prices go up again,people will not be buying as much in general and that could start hurting companies that dont produce the biggest franchises.

without getting into (another) thesis and some economic theory, I will say that that will be a very hard conclusion to backup: -you have to consider the profit from the price increase versus lost sales -you have to factor in how many people that bought used before would switch to new -you have to consider how many people would no longer buy -you have to count digital sales (what, IMO, should replace used sales...should be much cheaper) I will say that one would imagine they have some good economists and financial analysts working on this...people more qualified than most here

You'd also want to take into account piracy,if people cant afford it,a lot will just steal it if they can since they wont get caught
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#83 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

Sony Destruction Obligation.Eponique

Cow Agitation Initiation.

Sony Population Eradication

PlayStation Reputation Desecration

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#84 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"]So prices of new games will go up againPug-Nasty

only seems 'right' (given that they have not even kept up with inflation)

Prices aren't determined by inflation, they are determined by demand. The only certainty is that if prices go up, less games will be sold.

This is especially true since inflation doesn't raise peoples wages, just their costs.

Only things like utitilites are going to adhere to inflation, since they are a necessity and people don't buy less of them when the cost goes up.

see previous posts for responses to your points (all have been addressed)
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My god I cant believe how many people just dont understand.

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#86 TwoFace-BS
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My god I cant believe how many people just dont understand.

WilliamRLBaker
I kinda do from your post but not exactly
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#87 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"][QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="TwoFace-BS"] Problem,if these used game rumours are true(and thats a big IF IMO)if prices go up again,people will not be buying as much in general and that could start hurting companies that dont produce the biggest franchises.

without getting into (another) thesis and some economic theory, I will say that that will be a very hard conclusion to backup: -you have to consider the profit from the price increase versus lost sales -you have to factor in how many people that bought used before would switch to new -you have to consider how many people would no longer buy -you have to count digital sales (what, IMO, should replace used sales...should be much cheaper) I will say that one would imagine they have some good economists and financial analysts working on this...people more qualified than most here

You'd also want to take into account piracy,if people cant afford it,a lot will just steal it if they can since they wont get caught

of course. The more you 'push' people, the more they 'fight' back -that includes reactions to higher prices, increased security measures, etc -as with all things in life, it is a balancing act. this is just a financial one with many parts to the equation...they are trying to find the balance that yields the most profit
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#88 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

My god I cant believe how many people just dont understand.

TwoFace-BS

I kinda do from your post but not exactly

No where did the developers say hey our development money budgets are double they said our budgets are double we are having to put double the budget for models. No where do they mention money and in game development and programming budget doesn't always concern money. GI biz is the one thats added that context.

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[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Cow Agitation Initiation.

waltefmoney

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#91 Eponique
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[QUOTE="Eponique"]

PlayStation Creation Assassination

waltefmoney

Cow Communication Deterioration

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#92 waltefmoney
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Sony Domination HallucinationEponique

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[QUOTE="Eponique"]Sony Domination Hallucinationwaltefmoney

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I concede this thread to Walt and Eponique :lol: God damn, I'm in a library and everyone's looking at me because I'm, laughing so hard.
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[QUOTE="Eponique"]Cow Humiliation Observationwaltefmoney

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#97 Eponique
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]Cow Humiliation ObservationEponique

Microsoft Elevation Celebration

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Conversation Termination Confirmation. gots to go lol. We will continue this another time :evil:
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Conversation Termination Confirmation. gots to go lol. We will continue this another time :evil:Eponique

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#99 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

My god I cant believe how many people just dont understand.

TwoFace-BS
I kinda do from your post but not exactly

Hardware and software related budgets. For example, it is common for developers to create assets onto games while developing their title, however near the end of the development cycle, they start to cut off things because all that stuff can not fit within the console's hardware budget. Budget = How much a console can handle properly.
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[QUOTE="Eponique"]Conversation Termination Confirmation. gots to go lol. We will continue this another time :evil:waltefmoney

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