Devs React to DX 12 Doubling Xbox One GPU Speed

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

That damage control!

Face it. PS4 is weak sauce!

except for that part where it is more powerful than X1

anyone knows that, only lembots think so.

I did say ignore the Sony quote, but apparently you can't read lol.

Also less linking to the article which is clearly PR. I know it worked on you, clearly from that mass load of BS you just typed out, but MS isn't going to convince everyone.

lol it seems lems have been rubbed the wrong way so hard all of 2013 that now they grasp at literally anything to make them feel better. So funny to watch.

As always the truth is in the real-time footage to be shown. There's zero doubt DirectX 12 will improve Xbox One graphics. To what degree E3 will reveal. I'm excited though.

Everyone knows that SONY has given us the world's most powerful video game console.

You realise people aren't saying the API won't improve things, the PR and nonsense comes from some specific statements like doubling the speed, the performance, "giving Xbox owners a brand new GPU". I mean come on, you have to be an absolute diehard lem to sink deep into this all the way up to the neck.

Quotes from MS and Devs > one random dev.

Not to mention it's slated for holiday 2015. Damn.

"Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this. http://www.neowin.net/news/directx-12-a-game-changer-for-xbox-one”"

WOW! I was thinking about upgrading my Video Card but I guess with DirectX 12 I no longer need to??? LOL LOL LOl~~~ Yeah right!!

So exactly how does one get to Narnia?

Even though most of your comment just sounds like pure astroturfing and bias, the highlighted made me chortle. What's the point of buying an Xbone now then if I'll have to wait a couple more years for it to turn into a 'powerhouse'? My internet is awful too so no cloud power for me, sadly, guess I'll be stuck with my bog standard low range GPU powered Xbone. Not exactly the best way to sell your next gen console , is it? "It's not the strongest....not yet anyway...just you wait!.....Just you wait!" almost as if MS is a cartoon villain. I guess we'll have to wait until those games drop in late 2016/17, then we can make a new thread on here and compare. Meanwhile people can buy a console now that has superior specs that can actually runs games better because of its more mature and developer friendly API.

I also love the assumption that as it gets closer to 2015 lems like you are certain that PS4's own API won't mature even more than it is right now, keeping that power gap right there, alive and well. ;)

LOL That was funny.......................and stupid. I enjoy my X1 but don't lie to yourself, PS4 is stronger. Doesn't mean I want to not game on X1.

Cloud.... Cloud? Cloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooud!!!

seriously though... DX12... sigh. Microsoft is so desperate... there is only so much you can do without a hardware upgrade.. MS is just steaming that the PS4 has higher specs and are doing everything they can to try and convince people it isn't true. They said from the beginning they expected to have the better specs and SONY surprised them.

Personally, I think BOTH consoles are good, and they both look great on screen so who really cares. However, anyone thinking that this is going to DOUBLE performance is a complete idiot. Double the speed? Of what? Load times? It would still be slower than the PS4.. double the resolution... nope... double the rendering capability... nope... so what exactly would it be doubling even if it could? The only possible thing IT COULD double is the speed of load times... The slow download times DO need an upgrade, so if DX12 can somehow improve those abysmal numbers then great...

Remember how cloud was going to double, triple, maybe even quadruple OR MORE the power of the X1? What happened to that by the way? MS makes me sick in this aspect... I understand it's a numbers game, and I understand everyone wants to be number one, and they want to drive sales, and hype, yada yada yada.... but get real.

Just release some more good games and move on... NOTHING can be done about the gap in power due to hardware... there is no bridge that can span the gap, and even if there were it's not like SONY couldn't turn around and do something themselves to get that edge right back.

MS needs to stop the "measuring" game and get to work on some more exclusives and give the consumers what they truly want... on that note so does SONY...

oh.. the desperation continues....

I think that the performance benefit on DX12 is true but to what extent remains to be seen. It is not inconceivable that there are bottlenecks in the Xbox One architecture and/or that games are not using multi-core parallel processing efficiently. Not a direct comparison but Formula One cars only have 1.6 litre engines. However, those cars are exceptionally fast when everything is tuned and maximized to work together (well, not having to be street legal and engine non-longetivity help a lot to achieve the power). Not saying that DX12 will make Xbox One faster than the PS4 but I think that the performance will increase a lot.

Yeah TC sure proved that....

I think if the person who said it, had said that 'in some cases it could make CPU use twice as efficient', it wouldn't have sounded so bad. I think the original claim was over zealous.

I thought it was a very bad choice of words from the beginning. But I also think people are just as stupid to have taken it literally.

It's certainly a great thing that DX12 can make the X1 as efficient as possible though.

Nice post.

I think MS paid him to be as vague as possible.

devs has spoken lems now sit

A weak GPU is a weak GPU, there's no getting around it. These are big claims without the big evidence.

If this was about the PS4 you'd be going off your nut.

If this was about PS4 you closet lem be going off your nut.

@misterpmedia: People are claiming 100% performance increase? I haven't read that. I have seen, first hand, 30% being quite doable (once saw 50% with the release of .Net 3.5 vs 3), but hardly ever more than that.

The only way that would even remotely be possible is if the previous SDK was really written like shit, which I doubt happened.

You do realize that both systems have weak GPUs. especially with AMD kicking out one's that are 10+ times the power of the console GPUs. Everything is relative

Lowering the cpu workload in communicating to the gpu only does so much. Look at Nvidia's new driver overhaul for direct x 11 or even AMD's Mantle you only gain minor improvements in performance. Direct x 12 focus is just that slimming down and making cpu work more evenly and being more efficient. The X1's hardware is to weak to flat out match or surpass the PS4 even with the best software coding.

Many consolers have the idea that consoles have magic fairy dust called optimization and or "to metal coding" when in fact optimization includes cutting and downgrading aspects, and with metal coding these new consoles are not special because they basically straight up took low to mid ranged pc hardware and called it a day.

Oh Lemmings....lol...

watch as the xbox 1 is still 720p'ish after dx 12 releases.. Come on people. Direct X isnt the reason the xbone sucks.. Its the amount of ROPS and the terrible RAM configuration in the bone. Nothing they can do will help or solve that situation until some new hardware is put out there.

I love it when people who obviously don't know d!ck about hardware and software try and talk like they do using buzz words...

LOL XBone is a weak POS. Lems be cried.

He's correct though, 16 ROP's is really piss poor for a next gen console aiming for 1080p.

2x the performance seems like a marketing ploy to me.

Stardock CEO Brad Wardell who made the claims has experience of working with AMD Mantle and DirectX 11 and now 12. He has the experience to back up his claims.

Dev's will be sceptical until they have seen it in action.

I don't believe it will double performance except in specific situation's but it will have a big improvement.

I've had enough talking about it now, there's no point until E3 (unless someone releases something earlier). I will end by saying I'm under no elusions that the PS4 has better hardware and expect it to settle at 900p/1080p everything the same and if you where that bothered at that point you would get a PC.

When there's evidence that the PS4 is performing better at running games that's pretty justified. Even Sony execs were saying you'd be seeing superior performance straight off the bat at the get go. That's happened, fact. Now something magical has come along from MS to 'assure us' that everything will get better even though it's known that Xbone has weaker specs and has evidence of inferior multiplatform games, hell even the exclusives aren't fairing too well either. Hypocrites? Nah, just a lot more realistic, we've been burned once before you know ;).

That would be because they play hardball and have used less than ethical business practices. They set themselves up as a monopoly in PC operating systems as well as office products. So no they aren't dumb but that doesn't mean they can do all the crap they try to sell as well. They just are better at tricking the suckers into believing it.

At one point it was career suicide to write an honest review of a MS product. MS would blacklist the reviewer and his company so they weren't invited back. Naturally MS got good reviews on all of their products, surprise surprise.

@FastRobby You think Sony is not going to improve upon their tools too? I mean, while Microsoft is scrambling to achieve parity with launch-PS4...Sony will improve PS4 in tech, tools & performance. The 50% gap will only grow, to even 60%.

That's because PS4 IS 50% faster......

50% more shader power, 50% more texture units and 100% more fillrate...

This will live up to expectations, just like Kinect Rivals.

its amazing how many words a fanboy will type

@darkangel115: I never claimed otherwise. My point is you cant just claim a GPU can be boosted by 100% without showing anything to prove it. Its unheard of and ridiculous. MS have said nothing on the issue which for now proves my point.

Are those the new AMD GPUs designed for development and 3d modelling? Will they make multiplats run 10x better than ps4? Iv yet to see a game that looks 2x as good as Infamous Second Sun.

Look, I have been writing software for... well, more years than I care to admit to. And, I will tell you first hand that optimized APIs can significantly improve an applications performance, just like poorly written APIs can cripple it. So without having any benchmark comparisons between DX 11's API performance and DX 12's API performance, making a blanket comment like "Its all because of hardware piece X" is nothing short of pure ignorance.

The difference between the PS4 and XB1 is, in the large scale of things, relatively minor. If you apply Moore's Law, the difference doesn't even amount to 1 CPU generation (2 years). So, is a 1-2 year old high end PC that much slower than a brand new high end PC?

So what sort of boost has previous direct x updates given on the xbox platform? Serious question. There must be some history here if all you ms fans are biting.