Diablo 3 set to have the most intense DRM ever!?

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Don't be condescending about this. You aren't a Blizzard insider so it's not like you could definitively say what they have or have not thought of either.

Whether they thought that far ahead or not they should have realized hacking is inevitable and you shouldn't limit your user base to combat something that will happen no matter what. Not that it would really take that long anyway, games are always cracked within weeks after they come out. I predict the game won't even be out for 2 months before we see RMAH fraud and the equivalents of gold and account selling.

N30F3N1X

"It's not like you could definitely say what they have or have not thought of either" but you in your first post here you said "Could you just say you think I'm a pirate please?"...inconsistency much?

Why are you so stuck on the piracy point? That's not the only reason the always online DRM was put in place like you're struggling so hard to show.

That said, from what I see DRM is entirely to fight fraud and piracy. It serves no benefit to the average player to have this other than to keep them from cheating which I like to think a large majority of people wouldn't be doing anyway.

ok? where is it?ohthemanatee

I have shown mine. You're just in denial about it. I'd like you to show yours while you're at it ;)

if it has a single player mode it's a single player game with an online mode, I know common sense can be hard to grasp at times, but do try to keep up :)

ohthemanatee

So you can't do anything but assume. Common sense just went down the drain with your posts considering you don't know anything about D3 but are so hellbent on only seeing the negative sides of the changes...with no argument whatsoever, considering you can't prove anything of what you keep claiming.

which again: it's not something I want or should be forced to use, if you want it as an option, fine good for you. but i do NOT want to be forced to it. Hell, me and my girlfriend save our characters on a USB pen so we can play them when we want on our trips (trips that usually involve not having an internet connection nearby)

ohthemanatee

What if the character system is an inextricable part of the network and simply cannot be done offline? Is that too hard to think of?

really? piracy isn't the only reason DRM is used for? because i have trouble picturing any other reason to have something that VERIFIES AUTHENCITY in your game.BrunoBRS

The hacks, exploits and dupes ruined the economy. Anyone who has actually played Diablo 2 would know that. You don't, so...

I'm not calling anyone naive for stating what I think, that's the difference here. Of course I don't really know what Blizzard is thinking, no more than anyone who doesn't work there. But you're talking down to me as if you know so much better that that isn't what they are thinking when you don't know.

That said, from what I see DRM is entirely to fight fraud and piracy. It serves no benefit to the average player to have this other than to keep them from cheating which I like to think a large majority of people wouldn't be doing anyway.

Vaasman

You're acting as if Blizzard is only doing this because of piracy despite everyone (including you) knowing they have already got over piracy. Why do you keep talking about noone knowing anything if you're so sure they're doing this because of piracy?

And fighting fraud serves no benefit to the average player? Cheating and scamming were huge problems in Diablo 2. A more rigid system like the one that's being put at work will assure the economy is driven by the players, not the most efficient bot deployers.

I had no issues when Ubi did it, same with this. It's not a problem.

All I see are the ramblings of a Blizzard fanboyohthemanatee

So you're dodging the responsability of proving your claims.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]So you can't do anything but assume. Common sense just went down the drain with your posts considering you don't know anything about D3 but are so hellbent on only seeing the negative sides of the changes...with no argument whatsoever, considering you can't prove anything of what you keep claiming.ohthemanatee

yes how dare I see the negatives that affect me :roll:

and again: why would I want that?

ohthemanatee

Because it's a very strong incentive to prevent cheating the system? Being a game with heavy emphasis on economy, that's a huge deal.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]I'm not calling anyone naive for stating what I think, that's the difference here. Of course I don't really know what Blizzard is thinking, no more than anyone who doesn't work there. But you're talking down to me as if you know so much better that that isn't what they are thinking when you don't know.

That said, from what I see DRM is entirely to fight fraud and piracy. It serves no benefit to the average player to have this other than to keep them from cheating which I like to think a large majority of people wouldn't be doing anyway.

N30F3N1X

You're acting as if Blizzard is only doing this because of piracy despite everyone (including you) knowing they have already got over piracy. Why do you keep talking about noone knowing anything if you're so sure they're doing this because of piracy?

And fighting fraud serves no benefit to the average player? Cheating and scamming were huge problems in Diablo 2. A more rigid system like the one that's being put at work will assure the economy is driven by the players, not the most efficient bot deployers.

Being online doesn't solve ****. I fail to see how Blizzard made this decision to benefit the regular players.

The rabid Blizzard fanboys have been stirred, as usual. This happens often on System Wars. There's no point in arguing it, zealous fanboys will say whatever even in the face of wrongness and uncertainty.

And Diablo 2 certainly wasn't just a multiplayer game. I know plenty of people, like in Diablo 1, who only played it for singleplayer with no intent on going online. The common sense you speak of is YOUR ideal of common sense, not what the majority of the population dictates and nor should they matter.

Diablo 3's version of the AH (with cash) to prevent dupes and such is purely a cashgrab by Blizzard. They could easily moderate the game unlike that of which they did in Diablo 2. I don't mind signing in ONCE like I had to with StarCraft 2, but it's purely idiotic DRM to force the player to be online ALL the time to play SINGLEPLAYER. This game just looks worse and worse. It was never good looking to begin with TBQH.

And judging by the demon hunter trailer, the game's writing is going to be horrible. Like every recent Blizzard product.

I think it's simply easier for them to handle things this way as they have expirence on WoW, online SP have advantages for the content editing

isn't that how starcraft 2 already worked?BrunoBRS

Starcraft 2 had offline mode, thru you would need to run it online first

So you're dodging the responsability of proving your claims.N30F3N1X

Because it's a very strong incentive to prevent cheating the system? Being a game with heavy emphasis on economy, that's a huge deal.

N30F3N1X

and what good will that do to me if I can't play the game?

I couldn't care less. My PC is always connected. For me, this is as stupid as forcing your PC to have power all the time.

This is old but with the upcoming beta I want to know how pc gamers here feel about it.

So PC gamers how do you feel about this? I personally don't care as DRM no matter how lame it is, has never really bothered me but I know alot get upset for these things. We all know diablo 3 requires an internet connection but did you guys know that there's no offline single player at all? The single player portion will be handled online by blizzard's servers, which means that you could possibly lag in SP and no internet = no play at all, even after verification (unlike starcraft where you could go as long as you verified at login)

So what do you think about this PC gamers?

GD1551

Won't bother me at all because I will no longer be buying this DRM poisoned hunk of crap.

Dont' really care about the DRM, actually happy its in place to prevent people duping etc. I wa splanning to play the game witha bunch of friends from the start anyway.

pc software shines as always i see

I wish I could find the one comic strip of the guys thats like how dare they require me to have an instant internet connection then it cuts off and says this person found this out 5 seconds after it posted then has in qoutes...this person has been online constantly since 1999.

With as bad as piracy is on the PC I don't blame them for using DRM.

How is it different then SC2's system?

I usually care but because I've being waiting for this game for a loooooong time . I'll bite the bullet , plus it's probably to protect us against the item farmers

akira2465

How is it different then SC2's system?

AntiType

You can play SC2 offline it's just that you're restricted to campaign/vs. ai games and your achievements aren't tracked.

How is it different then SC2's system?

AntiType

I wish I could find the one comic strip of the guys thats like how dare they require me to have an instant internet connection then it cuts off and says this person found this out 5 seconds after it posted then has in qoutes...this person has been online constantly since 1999.

With as bad as piracy is on the PC I don't blame them for using DRM.

WilliamRLBaker

Would you blame consoles devs for using DRM on consoles?

I kind of have to agree with the skepticism. There is always some potential problem with this kind of DRM--I know lots of people who have sound reasons to be unhappy about this. Then again, I've already played numerous games that use this kind of DRM and had very little problems with it. We'll see.

Come on...this is why system wars can never be taken seriously. Why is the reactions so positive for this news? Just because its Diablo 3 and blizzard? I know for a fact if for example Crysis 2 had a similar system Crytek would have been absolutely massacred even worse than they already were...simply because Crysis 2 is viewed in a negative light by most hermits on this forum. Now if Battlefield 3 announces a constant internet connection is required for single player then I wonder what the reaction would be? Actually I dont wonder, I know it would be the same as this thread...largely uncaring! And the reason? Because Battlefield 3 is held in so high regard by most hermits it can do no wrong. Such extensive bias is annoying....

dom2000

I feel like their ego has been directing their decisions lately. I don't specifically mean the games (somewhat) but rather how they are deciding what is "best" for everyone, feature-wise. Sometimes, more or less features can make or break a game.

I don't like how their games are becoming so online-oriented now. Not to say that they cannot implement good online (which is always welcome), but it is reaching a point that their games require the same amount of online as WoW, needing to be online all the time. WoW has a reason to be always online. Their other games do not. I know Ubisoft is guilty of it, but at least they made up for it by removing them sometime down the road after all the criticism they took. Bringing up an old topic as an example of their poor decisions, Starcraft II lost LAN because a large company like Blizzard is afraid of piracy? That's kind of embarrassing, considering smaller developers release on PC without fear and find success all the same.

Couldn't they just have online and offline characters separated if they are concerned about duplicated items and not add shock value with this draconian DRM? It honestly doesn't seem that hard to do.

I don't really care, honestly. As long as the game doesn't force steam on me I'm good.xsubtownerx

Steam not working out for ya?

Bring on Torchlight II!

Meh, Diablo 3 looks like garbage anyway. Go to Diablo 1 the butcher, it's legitimetly scary. Diablo 3 is like world of warcraft.JigglyWiggly_

Yeah it's the only thing I don't like about the new diablo. Alot of the imagery and darkness is gone from the game to appeal to the masses :( .

People are apparently still confused. There's a difference between a requirement to log on to the server and a requirement for perpetual uninterrupted connection. Starcraft 2 was more of the former. Diablo 3 will be the latter. Think of it as playing a solo MMO.

Meh, I've been losing interest in Blizzard for a long time now, so chances are quite high I won't ever play Diablo 3.

This is old but with the upcoming beta I want to know how pc gamers here feel about it.

So PC gamers how do you feel about this? I personally don't care as DRM no matter how lame it is, has never really bothered me but I know alot get upset for these things. We all know diablo 3 requires an internet connection but did you guys know that there's no offline single player at all? The single player portion will be handled online by blizzard's servers, which means that you could possibly lag in SP and no internet = no play at all, even after verification (unlike starcraft where you could go as long as you verified at login)

So what do you think about this PC gamers?

GD1551

There are other RPGs on the PC. They might as well rename Diablo to "World of DiabloCraft".

Blizzards' customer related issues brings opportunities for other PC developers.

PS; I do play MMOs(non-Blizzards)on my desktop PC, but not on my mobile PCs (my 3G connection is not fast enough).

If you plan on playing single player then you're doing it wrong.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Meh, Diablo 3 looks like garbage anyway. Go to Diablo 1 the butcher, it's legitimetly scary. Diablo 3 is like world of warcraft.GD1551

Yeah it's the only thing I don't like about the new diablo. Alot of the imagery and darkness is gone from the game to appeal to the masses :( .

Based on what we've seen so far (which is very little), I don't see why people keep jumping to conclusions about this game.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] wow is an mmo, Diablo 3 is not I should not be forced to play a single player game while being forced to be connected onlineohthemanatee

According to who? You?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

It's meant to be a multiplayer game

N30F3N1X

You can solo WoW up to level 85 content aswell, yet it's always online and noone whines about it lacking a single player.

Your point?

Solo.

Massive legitimate criticism of an obviously poorly tacked on DRM system.

Oh apologists.

Meh, Diablo 3 looks like garbage anyway. Go to Diablo 1 the butcher, it's legitimetly scary. Diablo 3 is like world of warcraft.JigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

According to who? You?

John_Read

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

According to who? You?

John_Read

Won't bother me as I'll be playing it on the 360. :shock: :P

[QUOTE="John_Read"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] so you're saying It's ok to need the internet to use something that doesn't need the internet?

Iantheone

in other words u need internet connection otherwise u cannot play

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="John_Read"] and yet people support steam :PJohn_Read

in other words u need internet connection otherwise u cannot play

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Meh, Diablo 3 looks like garbage anyway. Go to Diablo 1 the butcher, it's legitimetly scary. Diablo 3 is like world of warcraft.Zophar87

Yeah it's the only thing I don't like about the new diablo. Alot of the imagery and darkness is gone from the game to appeal to the masses :( .

Based on what we've seen so far (which is very little), I don't see why people keep jumping to conclusions about this game.

I'm not jumping to any conclusions, a blizzard employee confirmed alot of the imagery of the old games was out.

Won't bother me as I'll be playing it on the 360. :shock: :P

SecretPolice