Diablo 3 set to have the most intense DRM ever!?

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Won't bother me as I'll be playing it on the 360. :shock: :P

GD1551

Fanboys can spin this DRM however they want to but it wont stop this DRM from failing.organic_machine

Won't bother me as I'll be playing it on the 360. :shock: :P

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Won't bother me as I'll be playing it on the 360. :shock: :P

nethernova

I won't be buying the game so it won't affect me. No reason why a PC gamer like me should support this garbage like all the other "PC gamers".

I think Blizzard can take Diablo 3 with the DRM and shove it where the sun don't shine. I don't support this practice and will never buy a singleplayer game (how I've played action RPGs since Diablo...) when a constant connection is required because it is obviously a move on the Publisher's part to get more control.

[QUOTE="John_Read"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"] You only need Steam for the initial activation. After than that you can play it offline. Harldy the same situation. Vaasman

in other words u need internet connection otherwise u cannot play

I won't be buying the game so it won't affect me. No reason why a PC gamer like me should support this garbage like all the other "PC gamers".

RadecSupreme

I think Blizzard can take Diablo 3 with the DRM and shove it where the sun don't shine. I don't support this practice and will never buy a singleplayer game (how I've played action RPGs since Diablo...) when a constant connection is required because it is obviously a move on the Publisher's part to get more control.

Whiteblade999

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="John_Read"]

in other words u need internet connection otherwise u cannot play

John_Read

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I find it funny that Mods will lock a thread about Assassin's Creed because it isn't related to System Wars, but this thread lives on untouched.... (no offense to the TC or the thread, just weird double standards from the mods).

(Off-topic)

I find it funny that Mods will lock a thread about Assassin's Creed because it isn't related to System Wars, but this thread lives on untouched.... (no offense to the TC or the thread, just weird double standards from the mods).

xYamatox

I know what you're saying, but this topic is able to stir more of a debate than the other one that just got locked. The Assassin's Creed thread was really more opinion-based. We couldn't exactly debate about it, only compare our opinions and either agree or disagree. Someone feels the game is overrated. What can we say that would be meaningful?

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

(Off-topic)

I find it funny that Mods will lock a thread about Assassin's Creed because it isn't related to System Wars, but this thread lives on untouched.... (no offense to the TC or the thread, just weird double standards from the mods).

Valiant_Rebel

I know what you're saying, but this topic is able to stir more of a debate than the other one that just got locked. The Assassin's Creed thread was really more opinion-based. We couldn't exactly debate about it, only compare our opinions and either agree or disagree. Someone feels the game is overrated. What can we say that would be meaningful?

Guess you got me there :P

Because its not a SP game anymore...PC360Wii

Diablo II wasn't a sp game at all: playing outside battle.net ladder did mean no access to half of the runewords and top items in the game, so playing offline was never a choice.

But the fact that they changed the 8 players multiplayer into a 4 playesr cooperative game and turned the PvP into a kidergarten battle arena (which lacks any deep compared against real battle arena games as DotA, HoN, LoL or Dota 2) is a reason to be worried. The DRM isn't the big problem of the game. The design decisions in order to be portable ot console and the WoW mimics are the bigest handicaps by far.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Because its not a SP game anymore...Ondoval

Diablo II wasn't a sp game at all: playing outside battle.net ladder did mean no access to half of the runewords and top items in the game, so playing offline was never a choice.

But the fact that they changed the 8 players multiplayer into a 4 playesr cooperative game and turned the PvP into a kidergarten battle arena (which lacks any deep compared against real battle arena games as DotA, HoN, LoL or Dota 2) is a reason to be worried. The DRM isn't the big problem of the game. The design decisions in order to be portable ot console and the WoW mimics are the bigest handicaps by far.

Diablo II wasn't a sp game at all: playing outside battle.net ladder did mean no access to half of the runewords and top items in the game, so playing offline was never a choice.

Ondoval

I played through both Diablo by myself back in the day. What do you mean, there was no choice :?

I always considered Diablo a tiny MMO anyhow, so I don't see the issue here. It'd be like people complaining that they had to be online to play WoW.

Because its not a SP game anymore...PC360Wii

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]Because its not a SP game anymore...skrat_01

Comparing a shooter to an rpg? a shooter when shooters dont barely dabble in mmo's? or are we calling ranks in an online shooter an MMO now? :roll: ... mmo rpgs are much more common. Diablo is becoming one.

-Thomas Tippl (COO and CFO of ActiBlizz) confirms that there will be a D3 Expansion within 3 years after the release of D3 itself, two SC2 expansions (which we already knew), and two more WoW expansions.

I wonder where the new game is fitting in there! I also wonder if they will show it at this year's blizzcon.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]Because its not a SP game anymore...PC360Wii

Comparing a shooter to an rpg? a shooter when shooters dont barely dabble in mmo's? or are we calling ranks in an online shooter an MMO now? :roll: ... mmo rpgs are much more common. Diablo is becoming one.

A fundementally online game with its own RPG systems, percistance, server side processing and storage, yet clientside dominant, and a major focus on online components and intergration - yet has an offline component.

Diablo is not becoming an MMO, when the game is so heavily client-side processed, it's still a game that's integrated far more online systems (like so many games do ala Brink (yet maintain an offline capability) an still shares much in common with the framework of hack and slash genre games.

There's no reason the game can't have an offline capability at all, still, even as the arguments justifying it become more muddled.

I won't be buying the game so it won't affect me. No reason why a PC gamer like me should support this garbage like all the other "PC gamers".

RadecSupreme

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"] Yet it has an extremely strong sp component with no justification that a connection needs to be constantly maintained to a master sever when so much processing is done clientside. Yet there's a massive array of games out there with MMO like functionality (lets say Brink), which allow complete offline play.skrat_01

Comparing a shooter to an rpg? a shooter when shooters dont barely dabble in mmo's? or are we calling ranks in an online shooter an MMO now? :roll: ... mmo rpgs are much more common. Diablo is becoming one.

A fundementally online game with its own RPG systems, percistance, server side processing and storage, yet clientside dominant, and a major focus on online components and intergration - yet has an offline component.

Diablo is not becoming an MMO, when the game is so heavily client-side processed, it's still a game that's integrated far more online systems (like so many games do ala Brink (yet maintain an offline capability) an still shares much in common with the framework of hack and slash genre games.

There's no reason the game can't have an offline capability at all, still, even as the arguments justifying it become more muddled.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Any endless game will have a strong whatever mode. doesnt change the fact that the third game is more akin to Guild Wars, wether you think its right or not. but hey? I dont see people shouting "Guild Wars DRM! I cant play single player offline!"

Comparing a shooter to an rpg? a shooter when shooters dont barely dabble in mmo's? or are we calling ranks in an online shooter an MMO now? :roll: ... mmo rpgs are much more common. Diablo is becoming one.

PC360Wii

A fundementally online game with its own RPG systems, percistance, server side processing and storage, yet clientside dominant, and a major focus on online components and intergration - yet has an offline component.

Diablo is not becoming an MMO, when the game is so heavily client-side processed, it's still a game that's integrated far more online systems (like so many games do ala Brink (yet maintain an offline capability) an still shares much in common with the framework of hack and slash genre games.

There's no reason the game can't have an offline capability at all, still, even as the arguments justifying it become more muddled.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"] Any endless game will have a strong whatever mode. doesnt change the fact that the third game is more akin to Guild Wars, wether you think its right or not. but hey? I dont see people shouting "Guild Wars DRM! I cant play single player offline!"

Comparing a shooter to an rpg? a shooter when shooters dont barely dabble in mmo's? or are we calling ranks in an online shooter an MMO now? :roll: ... mmo rpgs are much more common. Diablo is becoming one.

PC360Wii

A fundementally online game with its own RPG systems, percistance, server side processing and storage, yet clientside dominant, and a major focus on online components and intergration - yet has an offline component.

Diablo is not becoming an MMO, when the game is so heavily client-side processed, it's still a game that's integrated far more online systems (like so many games do ala Brink (yet maintain an offline capability) an still shares much in common with the framework of hack and slash genre games.

There's no reason the game can't have an offline capability at all, still, even as the arguments justifying it become more muddled.

Unsurprised, there's effort is required to counter response to try and establish what these amazing framework differences are against something as simple as Brink.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Most intense DRM ever?

It's meant to be a multiplayer game. Being online is necessary for playing MP. What is intense about that :?

GD1551

There is no singleplayer stop pulling such a double standard out of your ass.. If that is considered SP.. Then every MMO out there when you solo is considered SP.. Guild Wars when you play by your self is SP.. In the end even when your soloing your still connected to the features and community.. There is no singleplayer.. Stop acting like there is one.

PPS: EVERYONE on here complains that Microsoft FORCES xbox live users to, "Pay for something that should be free". How is Blizzard FORCING you to pay for an internet subscription any different? granted you get more use out of an internet connection than Live Gold, but nonetheless. Why is it okay for BLIZZARD to demand you pay for a monthly service JUST to play their games SINGLEPLAYER??!??!? Some peoples only option for high speed is through companies like "AirSpeed WIreless" and require expensive startup equipment.dRuGGeRnaUt

The hell does that even mean.. Diablo 3 is not a singleplayer game.. Stop trying to act like it is.

[QUOTE="GD1551"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Most intense DRM ever?

It's meant to be a multiplayer game. Being online is necessary for playing MP. What is intense about that :?

sSubZerOo

There is no singleplayer stop pulling such a double standard out of your ass.. If that is considered SP.. Then every MMO out there when you solo is considered SP.. Guild Wars when you play by your self is SP.. In the end even when your soloing your still connected to the features and community.. There is no singleplayer.. Stop acting like there is one.

What are you talking about? You realize I can play by myself and if I choose I can take my characters online right? How is there no SP when I can play the game by myself if I wanted and not miss out on anything?

This is as bad as saying titan quest has no single player :|

[QUOTE="GD1551"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Most intense DRM ever?

It's meant to be a multiplayer game. Being online is necessary for playing MP. What is intense about that :?

sSubZerOo

There is no singleplayer stop pulling such a double standard out of your ass.. If that is considered SP.. Then every MMO out there when you solo is considered SP.. Guild Wars when you play by your self is SP.. In the end even when your soloing your still connected to the features and community.. There is no singleplayer.. Stop acting like there is one.

Here's a link http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28794061/drm-is-good-for-the-industry.. look how unsupportive everyone is in that thread... yet when Blizzard does it, its all "Im totally fine with it" "blizzard is awesome" "YAY FOR DRM!!!" It's funny, just like peoples blind defence of Valve. Amazing company yes, but that doesn't mean everything they do is right. Wake up people, just cause you love someone/something doesn't mean you can't admit its flaws.dRuGGeRnaUt

Microsoft's Activation andValve's SteamWorks DRM doesn't require constant internet connections i.e. my unstable 3G connection on my laptop works Ok with Microsoft's Activation and Steam.

PS; My desktop PC has ADSL connection .

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"] The SP is online based so you can lag in the SP as well as be kicked out if your net drops.GD1551

There is no singleplayer stop pulling such a double standard out of your ass.. If that is considered SP.. Then every MMO out there when you solo is considered SP.. Guild Wars when you play by your self is SP.. In the end even when your soloing your still connected to the features and community.. There is no singleplayer.. Stop acting like there is one.

What are you talking about? You realize I can play by myself and if I choose I can take my characters online right? How is there no SP when I can play the game by myself if I wanted and not miss out on anything.

YOUR STILL connected online with all the features.. Using this logic we might as well cry about Guild Wars.. A game where you can play by your self in instanced zones the majority of the game.. The fact of the matter is this is nothing new and has been done in the past.. This crying and complaining this is a huge double standard toa c ommon game type that has been done multiple times in the past.. Yet has never been complained about.. People need to understand that Diablo 3 is a online multiplayer game.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"] The SP is online based so you can lag in the SP as well as be kicked out if your net drops.Vaasman

There is no singleplayer stop pulling such a double standard out of your ass.. If that is considered SP.. Then every MMO out there when you solo is considered SP.. Guild Wars when you play by your self is SP.. In the end even when your soloing your still connected to the features and community.. There is no singleplayer.. Stop acting like there is one.

YOUR STILL connected online with all the features.. Using this logic we might as well cry about Guild Wars.. A game where you can play by your self in instanced zones the majority of the game.. The fact of the matter is this is nothing new and has been done in the past.. This crying and complaining this is a huge double standard toa c ommon game type that has been done multiple times in the past.. Yet has never been complained about.. People need to understand that Diablo 3 is a online multiplayer game.

sSubZerOo

Sorry like TITAN QUEST diablo is a game with online multiplayer, you can play the SP if you want and never venture online.

Here's a quote from a blizzard rep

-"Your character will be online on battle net the moment you start playing," said Pardo. "You can play a solo experience like you would in Diablo II, it's just your character is on Blizzard's servers and authenticated." This character can then hop into multiplayer games and trade items with others through battle net."

So does he not know about this own game?

YOUR STILL connected online with all the features..

sSubZerOo

Features that impact on solo play how? Constant connection required for solo play how? The only justification with some weight I've witnessed is 'server side items generation', and even that can be done entirely client side with the properties and items validated upon a connection to battle.net servers.

The other is DRM.

Comparing online systems actually; there's so much cross genre similarities let alone *famework* in these games that it's an efficient comparison.

A fundementally online game with its own RPG systems, percistance, server side processing and storage, yet clientside dominant, and a major focus on online components and intergration - yet has an offline component.

Diablo is not becoming an MMO, when the game is so heavily client-side processed, it's still a game that's integrated far more online systems (like so many games do ala Brink (yet maintain an offline capability) an still shares much in common with the framework of hack and slash genre games.

There's no reason the game can't have an offline capability at all, still, even as the arguments justifying it become more muddled.

dRuGGeRnaUt

Unsurprised, there's effort is required to counter response to try and establish what these amazing framework differences are against something as simple as Brink.

Well I guess that I will be getting Torchlight 2 instead.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Ignoring the actual genuine fact that Diablo 3 is not a server side MMO?

Unsurprised, there's effort is required to counter response to try and establish what these amazing framework differences are against something as simple as Brink.

PC360Wii

My anticipation for Diablo 3 flew out of the window when they announced the ability to buy the strongest gear with real-world money. The DRM only serves to be the final nail in the coffin.