Diablo III VS FFXIII, both are RPG, which one you think will be the better one?

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"a psychological sense of inferiority that is wholly or partly unconscious. The term has been used by some psychiatrists and psychologists, particularly the followers of the early psychoanalyst Alfred Adler, who held that many neurotic symptoms could be traced to overcompensation for this feeling."

People with inferiority complexes tend to overcompensate on a subconscious level. Which is what I was stating in my example of RE5.

lundy86_4

Top part you are right, and due to these perceived inferiorities they subconsciously try to make themselves seem to be superior.

So subconsciously why would the choose (hypothetically) Sheva from RE5 when they can use the perceived larger, more dominant individual? You're right there are other things to describe a part of what I am getting at, but they are far from mutually exclusive, as thy tend to stem from different reasons.

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[QUOTE="dnuggs40"] You are not making sense. Inferiority complexes arise out of a perceived inferiority trait..like a short guy feeling inferior to a tall guy, or a fat girl feeling inferior to a skinny girl. Has nothing to do with a prejudice from using a female character in a game. Again, you are using it wrong, and there are much better words to describe what you are getting at.dnuggs40

Top part you are right, and due to these perceived inferiorities they subconsciously try to make themselves seem to be superior.

So subconsciously why would the choose (hypothetically) Sheva from RE5 when they can use the perceived larger, more dominant individual? You're right there are other things to describe a part of what I am getting at, but they are far from mutually exclusive, as thy tend to stem from different reasons.

Yes, and that perceived feeling of inferiority can stem from the fact that she is a woman, and women are capable of the same thing. Like I said things like sexism can be applied, but so can things like IC. They are not mutually exclusive.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Top part you are right, and due to these perceived inferiorities they subconsciously try to make themselves seem to be superior.

So subconsciously why would the choose (hypothetically) Sheva from RE5 when they can use the perceived larger, more dominant individual? You're right there are other things to describe a part of what I am getting at, but they are far from mutually exclusive, as thy tend to stem from different reasons.

lundy86_4

Yes, and that perceived feeling of inferiority can stem from the fact that she is a woman, and women are capable of the same thing. Like I said things like sexism can be applied, but so can things like IC. They are not mutually exclusive.

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[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

What...this doesn't look like a male?

dnuggs40

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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"] Lightning isn't the main character? Wow, that's a blow. I thought she was the ****Marka1700

:lol: its true. Although technically FFXIII wont have a main character. Look Here

I am secure enough in my manhood to not be bothered with me playing a girl. But I am way more excited for Diablo 3 (then again with me, if I only cared a wee little about D3, it would still be way more than for FF13).

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[QUOTE="ff7cloudking"]

:lol: its true. Although technically FFXIII wont have a main character. Look Here

-Snooze-

That could be cool if it's done right. Oft times, i'm left feeling as though each individual story was too shallow. Hopefully over the course of a 40-hour game, this'll be corrected.

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I prefer my heroes to be big beefy and badass, and not whine in every cutscene about the resposibility thrust upon them or how unsure they are that they can come out victorious.... so D3 for me.

Vaasman

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^ Neither are role playing games really, but I'd chose Diablo III.

ff7cloudking

Explain how Final Fantasy isnt a role playing game.

Role-playing games are games in which players assume the roles of fictional characters and collaboratively create stories. Players determine the actions of their characters based on their characterization, and the actions succeed or fail according to a system of rules and guidelines. Within the rules, players can improvise freely; their choices shape the direction and outcome of the games.
-- from the Encyclopædia Britannica

All FF games do are cut scenes, irrelevant dialog (if there is any) and fighting all on a railed maner to the unavoidable outcome a.k.a. defeating the big bad. Same holds true for the Diablo series. And the stats don't make any influence on the outcome of the main story and/or sidequests (if there are any).

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^ Neither are role playing games really, but I'd chose Diablo III.

DOF_power

Explain how Final Fantasy isnt a role playing game.

Role-playing games are games in which players assume the roles of fictional characters and collaboratively create stories. Players determine the actions of their characters based on their characterization, and the actions succeed or fail according to a system of rules and guidelines. Within the rules, players can improvise freely; their choices shape the direction and outcome of the games.
-- from the Encyclopædia Britannica

All FF games do are cut scenes, irrelevant dialog (if there is any) and fighting all on a railed maner to the unavoidable outcome a.k.a. defeating the big bad. Same holds true for the Diablo series. And the stats don't make any influence on the outcome of the main story and/or sidequests (if there are any).

I think RPG's as associated with video-gaming have to take a ****similar to Final Fantasy or Diablo, because it isn't feasible for a gamer to be able to do anything with a role. They are stuck within the constraints of a designed engine, which can only do so much.

So in the sense of video-gaming, I would see them as RPG's.

Diablo 3

3 Reasons

1. Diablo 3 will be long lasting, with multiplayer and stuff, FFXIII will not be.

2. JRPG are boring, and are on the falling, if the JRPGs of the whole generation needs the 13th game of an old old franchise to be saved, then ...

3. SE failed many times, Blizzard still has to fail once.

But then again, I'm not that interested in Diablo 3 either, I really would want to try Blizzard's next gen MMO.

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^ Neither are role playing games really, but I'd chose Diablo III.

DOF_power

Explain how Final Fantasy isnt a role playing game.

Role-playing games are games in which players assume the roles of fictional characters and collaboratively create stories. Players determine the actions of their characters based on their characterization, and the actions succeed or fail according to a system of rules and guidelines. Within the rules, players can improvise freely; their choices shape the direction and outcome of the games.
-- from the Encyclopædia Britannica

All FF games do are cut scenes, irrelevant dialog (if there is any) and fighting all on a railed maner to the unavoidable outcome a.k.a. defeating the big bad. Same holds true for the Diablo series. And the stats don't make any influence on the outcome of the main story and/or sidequests (if there are any).

Oh. From you're post I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you are more of a Dungeons and Dragons type of person.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"][QUOTE="Marka1700"] First rule of storytelling, there must be at least one three dimensional charecter. (Im not refering to graphics here). You can't tell a proper story with a buch of only carboard cherecters.

lundy86_4

That could be cool if it's done right. Oft times, i'm left feeling as though each individual story was too shallow. Hopefully over the course of a 40-hour game, this'll be corrected.

Human beings are sexist, that's why some country forbid woman to be in the military, even the bible itself told that only man can serve as soldiers. Don't mean to discriminate other religion. But the point is that i'm not that guy who see women as inferior, i just want FFXIII have a male as the main character, not a dual pistol woman. Seriously guys i think FF have lost 1% of it's fans just because they make a female as the main character.Holy_Xbox

I think Diablo III will be superior than FF XIII 1 main reason : tons of cash from WOW, SE can make FFXIII a great game, but with the recession and their failed online games (i don't know FFXII or XI), and there's rumor that SE is having a financial problem. While Activision-Blizzard is burning their cigar with a hundred dollar.Holy_Xbox

wtf? How is square losing money? FFXI is not a failure, by MMORPG standards it is a success. It just so happens that WOW is bigger than big. And square recently bought Eidos, another game company. Not to mention that almost every game they put out sells like hot cakes.

How exactly is Square is losing money? Where did you get this information from?

EDIT: it is NOT fair to compare any MMO game to WOW. WOW is a behemoth as far as MMO's go and no other MMO game has ever come close to the amount of players that WOW has.

Diablo 3

3 Reasons

1. Diablo 3 will be long lasting, with multiplayer and stuff, FFXIII will not be.

2. JRPG are boring, and are on the falling, if the JRPGs of the whole generation needs the 13th game of an old old franchise to be saved, then ...

3. SE failed many times, Blizzard still has to fail once.

But then again, I'm not that interested in Diablo 3 either, I really would want to try Blizzard's next gen MMO.

Ncsoftlover

2- I could say the same thing about Wrpgs.

3- Failed on what? they didn't even release their best franchises yet lol and at least they are releasing new IP every year.

I think Diablo III will be superior than FF XIII 1 main reason : tons of cash from WOW, SE can make FFXIII a great game, but with the recession and their failed online games (i don't know FFXII or XI), and there's rumor that SE is having a financial problem. While Activision-Blizzard is burning their cigar with a hundred dollar.Holy_Xbox

Erm Final Fantasy XI was a very successful MMO, you need to realise that to be successful you don't have to match what WoW has become, as it is an anomaly.

just because they have more money, doesn't mean the game will turn out better.

Your argument is illogical.

[QUOTE="Holy_Xbox"]I think Diablo III will be superior than FF XIII 1 main reason : tons of cash from WOW, SE can make FFXIII a great game, but with the recession and their failed online games (i don't know FFXII or XI), and there's rumor that SE is having a financial problem. While Activision-Blizzard is burning their cigar with a hundred dollar.lundy86_4

Erm Final Fantasy XI was a very successful MMO, you need to realise that to be successful you don't have to match what WoW has become, as it is an anomaly.

just because they have more money, doesn't mean the game will turn out better.

Your argument is illogical.

Diablo III will eat FFXIII alive.

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[QUOTE="Holy_Xbox"]I think Diablo III will be superior than FF XIII 1 main reason : tons of cash from WOW, SE can make FFXIII a great game, but with the recession and their failed online games (i don't know FFXII or XI), and there's rumor that SE is having a financial problem. While Activision-Blizzard is burning their cigar with a hundred dollar.Holy_Xbox

Erm Final Fantasy XI was a very successful MMO, you need to realise that to be successful you don't have to match what WoW has become, as it is an anomaly.

just because they have more money, doesn't mean the game will turn out better.

Your argument is illogical.

Just because a company made that much money off one product, doesn't mean they will bloat the Diablo III budget with the extra cash. A company would rather front as little cash as possible to make the game viable.

The programmers already work for the company, they are on a per annum salary.

I think Final Fantasy 13 is going to be better. When it comes to WRPGs and JRPGs, im kinda biased though.

Yeah, i know i just trying to make it as easy as possible to understand. Just use a little thing called logic, will you as a programmer go working to a company that will pay you ten million dollars or to a company that will pay you hundred million dollar. And remember the world is in recession.Holy_Xbox

Erm the programmers don't get paid millions of dollars. They are on the payrol of the dev company. The dev company is either 3rd party or 1st party and creates a game for a specific console or multiplat. If they can get away with investing as little into a game as possible, then they will do it, if they need more, obviously it will be increased. However they have a responsibility to the shareholders etc, and that is to make money.

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Erm the programmers don't get paid millions of dollars. They are on the payrol of the dev company. The dev company is either 3rd party or 1st party and creates a game for a specific console or multiplat. If they can get away with investing as little into a game as possible, then they will do it, if they need more, obviously it will be increased. However they have a responsibility to the shareholders etc, and that is to make money.

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="Holy_Xbox"]Yeah, i know i just trying to make it as easy as possible to understand. Just use a little thing called logic, will you as a programmer go working to a company that will pay you ten million dollars or to a company that will pay you hundred million dollar. And remember the world is in recession.lundy86_4

Erm the programmers don't get paid millions of dollars. They are on the payrol of the dev company. The dev company is either 3rd party or 1st party and creates a game for a specific console or multiplat. If they can get away with investing as little into a game as possible, then they will do it, if they need more, obviously it will be increased. However they have a responsibility to the shareholders etc, and that is to make money.

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[QUOTE="Holy_Xbox"] [QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Holy_Xbox"]Yeah, i know i just trying to make it as easy as possible to understand. Just use a little thing called logic, will you as a programmer go working to a company that will pay you ten million dollars or to a company that will pay you hundred million dollar. And remember the world is in recession.Holy_Xbox

Erm the programmers don't get paid millions of dollars. They are on the payrol of the dev company. The dev company is either 3rd party or 1st party and creates a game for a specific console or multiplat. If they can get away with investing as little into a game as possible, then they will do it, if they need more, obviously it will be increased. However they have a responsibility to the shareholders etc, and that is to make money.

What? You're not making any sense. The developing companies front the budget for their own game, out of whatever they have, be it line of credit or if they have it, cash. They won't put up more than is needed. They have a team of programmers on staff who work on the games.

So it isn't about who pays more.

I don't know enough about diablo to judge. But I'd say Diablo had better be mindblowing, because XIII looks to be.

[QUOTE="Holy_Xbox"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Erm the programmers don't get paid millions of dollars. They are on the payrol of the dev company. The dev company is either 3rd party or 1st party and creates a game for a specific console or multiplat. If they can get away with investing as little into a game as possible, then they will do it, if they need more, obviously it will be increased. However they have a responsibility to the shareholders etc, and that is to make money.

lundy86_4

What? You're not making any sense. The developing companies front the budget for their own game, out of whatever they have, be it line of credit or if they have it, cash. They won't put up more than is needed. They have a team of programmers on staff who work on the games.

So it isn't about who pays more.

His argument is mute anyway. Square isnt losing money, and its impossible to say that Blizzard has more money than Square. There is no way that square would skimp on budget when it comes to their flagship franchise anyway.

[QUOTE="Holy_Xbox"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Erm the programmers don't get paid millions of dollars. They are on the payrol of the dev company. The dev company is either 3rd party or 1st party and creates a game for a specific console or multiplat. If they can get away with investing as little into a game as possible, then they will do it, if they need more, obviously it will be increased. However they have a responsibility to the shareholders etc, and that is to make money.

lundy86_4

What? You're not making any sense. The developing companies front the budget for their own game, out of whatever they have, be it line of credit or if they have it, cash. They won't put up more than is needed. They have a team of programmers on staff who work on the games.

So it isn't about who pays more.

Diablo 3 wins because of the archivist !!

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[QUOTE="Holy_Xbox"] Yeah but in the end it's about who pay more right?Holy_Xbox

What? You're not making any sense. The developing companies front the budget for their own game, out of whatever they have, be it line of credit or if they have it, cash. They won't put up more than is needed. They have a team of programmers on staff who work on the games.

So it isn't about who pays more.

Ok so best of the best programmers =/= best of the best games. You can't just assume that the reason they have great games is money. It's an assumption of which you have no evidence to back it up. You are talking in a purely speculative manner.

I say diablo 3, I loved diablo 2, and i've never cared for Jrpgs.

Diablo III. Simple deal.Salt_The_Fries

Final Fantasy XIII. Plain and simple.

hayato_

Hm is it really that simple? Diablo 3 for me but I don't really see how they compare.

I don't think it would be as girly as FF x-2, i don,t even thnk it will be girly at all, and the diablo series just ins't my type of rpg

I like FFXIII but Diablo 3 will crush it. Btw diablo is not same type of game :?

Wanna bet FFXIII turns out to be a super generic JRPG with flashy graphics?

Wanna bet FFXIII turns out to be a super generic JRPG with flashy graphics?

Espada12

Indicated by what? No final fantasy in the past was super generic, not even FF11 since JRPGs don't do MMOs.

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Wanna bet FFXIII turns out to be a super generic JRPG with flashy graphics?

PSdual_wielder

Indicated by what? No final fantasy in the past was super generic, not even FF11 since JRPGs don't do MMOs.

I just have a hunch :)

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Wanna bet FFXIII turns out to be a super generic JRPG with flashy graphics?

Espada12

Indicated by what? No final fantasy in the past was super generic, not even FF11 since JRPGs don't do MMOs.

I just have a hunch :)

I get lots of those. :)