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#101 lowe0
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Weren't PC gamers utterly castigating DICE just a couple months ago for delaying BF1943 for PC until after consoles, and before that for making the "consolized" BF1943 in the first place?

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#102 shakmaster13
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BF series except heroes > every CoD after CoD2.

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#103 GranTurismo123
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[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"][QUOTE="lm2f"]

ignorance (plural ignorances)

1. The condition of being uninformed or uneducated. Lacking knowledge or information.

So if someone likes BC better they are automatically uninformed or uneducated?

Rockman999

If they believe Battlefield BC is of higher quality than Call of Duty 4. Well yes, i would say they are uninformed or uneducated. Because they definitely have not researched the scores/ sales of the game, which both directly relate to the overall quality of the game, wouldn't you say so?

So what you're saying is that we should all just follow the opinions of others? If you believe people who prefer battlefield over COD are ignorant because their opinions differ from yours, than you are the ignorant one.

I never said people who prefer battlefield to COD. I said you would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality of COD 4.
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#104 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"] If they believe Battlefield BC is of higher quality than Call of Duty 4. Well yes, i would say they are uninformed or uneducated. Because they definitely have not researched the scores/ sales of the game, which both directly relate to the overall quality of the game, wouldn't you say so?GranTurismo123

Yeah, score and sales are direct, indisputable correlations of quality. :|

...are you serious? I mean, really, are you?

wait a minute. so your saying the scores of a game. and the sales don't have anything to do with the quality? Because a quality game means a game is good and is recognized by the public eye as being good. If the reviews believe this game is good, they will give it a good score. if it gets a good score well... yes, the quality of a game directly relates to the scores of that game, which usually relate to the sales of that game.

So, someone else's opinion and the number it sells are the end all be all? No. Look at GTAIV. Great scores all around, sold like hotcakes. And yet, it is STILL probably the most hated game in the franchise. Some people like to think for themselves.
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#105 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"] If they believe Battlefield BC is of higher quality than Call of Duty 4. Well yes, i would say they are uninformed or uneducated. Because they definitely have not researched the scores/ sales of the game, which both directly relate to the overall quality of the game, wouldn't you say so?GranTurismo123

So what you're saying is that we should all just follow the opinions of others? If you believe people who prefer battlefield over COD are ignorant because their opinions differ from yours, than you are the ignorant one.

I never said people who prefer battlefield to COD. I said you would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality of COD 4.

Why, because that opinion contrasts with your own? :roll:
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#106 Phoenix534
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DICE has always been better than Infinity Ward, IMO. It's not because of Bad Company though, while it did help. I've loved DICE since the beginning, but Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142 put them over Infinity Ward for me.

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#107 carljohnson3456
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Although I never played it online, I found Battlefield BC to be very repetitive... unfortunately, one of the few games I've been so bored with that I stopped playing before completing.
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#108 DarkGamer007
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Don't no one fall under the pretense that DICE is the savior of all that is true and just in the world just because they took the opportunity to get some free PR. As has been mentioned, acta non verba. They've already decided to leave prone out, again. Those who pre-order will get multiplayer cheats. So the "acta" part is already looking a bit iffy. And where is BF3 already? Battlefield 2 will be almost five years old by the time of BC2's release.

DICE clearly >>>>>> Infinity Ward though.

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People who pre-order do not get multiplayer cheats, they simply unlock a few items/weapons earlier, which normal players will unlock at a latter level.

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#109 carljohnson3456
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Oh, and for the record, Mirror's Edge kinda sucks in my opinion. I appreciate the unique idea and artstyle... but the game is so frustrating.
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#110 DarkGamer007
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Oh, and for the record, Mirror's Edge kinda sucks in my opinion. I appreciate the unique idea and artstyle... but the game is so frustrating.carljohnson3456

The first half of the game was great, the second part where you were pretty much forced to use guns...sucked.

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#111 lm2f
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DICE has always been better than Infinity Ward, IMO. It's not because of Bad Company though, while it did help. I've loved DICE since the beginning, but Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142 put them over Infinity Ward for me.

Phoenix534
And you were only 9 when BF2 came out!
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#112 GranTurismo123
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[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]So what you're saying is that we should all just follow the opinions of others? If you believe people who prefer battlefield over COD are ignorant because their opinions differ from yours, than you are the ignorant one.

Verge_6

I never said people who prefer battlefield to COD. I said you would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality of COD 4.

Why, because that opinion contrasts with your own? :roll:

No, because the only way to universally judge a game based on its quality is through review scores. Of course everyone has there own opinion, but if we left it at that, none of these review sites would exist. So let me rephrase this. You would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality as COD 4 based on review scores.

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#113 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]Oh, and for the record, Mirror's Edge kinda sucks in my opinion. I appreciate the unique idea and artstyle... but the game is so frustrating.DarkGamer007

The first half of the game was great, the second part where you were pretty much forced to use guns...sucked.

I havent even gotten that far yet. I've just started on chapter 5. The gun play is horrible. I really dont wanna use guns, lol.
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#114 Phoenix534
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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

DICE has always been better than Infinity Ward, IMO. It's not because of Bad Company though, while it did help. I've loved DICE since the beginning, but Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142 put them over Infinity Ward for me.

lm2f

And you were only 9 when BF2 came out!

Yup. But, I've played all of the Battlefield games, Mirror's Edge, and the Call of Duty games excluding Roads to Victory and Finest Hour, which I never got around to playing.

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#115 kkevguy47k
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Every since I played BF2 DICE has been the best FPS developer imo.

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#116 Verge_6
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You would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality as COD 4 based on review scores.

GranTurismo123

Now there's, again, the part where many people don't give a rat's ass about glowing review scores if they hate the freaking game.

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#117 tutt3r
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WERE USING BIG FONT NOW?

THEN ITS BF2>MW2 EVERYDAY AND ANY DAY....

LETS SEE SOME COD:MW PLAYERS EVEN GET A KILL IN THAT GAME LET ALONE FLY A PLANE (SUCCESSFULLY)

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#118 SF_KiLLaMaN
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everyone know that reviews are basically controlled by the game makers themselves. Almost every big budget game gets at least a 9 here at GS excluding a few. Reviews cannot be trusted anymore, you get one 8.0 for MW2 and the entire forum will blow up saying the guy should be fired. It's sad how it works but that is the way it is. oh, an DICE is WAY better than Infinity Ward.
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#119 GranTurismo123
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[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"] You would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality as COD 4 based on review scores.

Verge_6

Now there's, again, the part where many people don't give a rat's ass about glowing review scores if they hate the freaking game.

Ok. that's great, but I am talking about a universal opinion of these games.Mirrors edge included, not just BF BC. Universal opinion CAN ONLY be represented by number of sales. And the Universal opinion based on quality can only be measured by reviews. And based on UNIVERSAL OPINION of these three games... well it's quite clear that COD 4 is superior to any DICE game ever made. Whether or not that will be true for MW2, I'm not sure. But as of now, I would say IW>>>>>>>> DICE no competition. And since you continually bring up personal opinion, i will have to say based on Universal opinion.
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#120 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"] You would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality as COD 4 based on review scores.

GranTurismo123

Now there's, again, the part where many people don't give a rat's ass about glowing review scores if they hate the freaking game.

Ok. that's great, but I am talking about a universal opinion of these games.Mirrors edge included, not just BF BC. Universal opinion CAN ONLY be represented by number of sales. And the Universal opinion based on quality can only be measured by reviews. And based on UNIVERSAL OPINION of these three games... well it's quite clear that COD 4 is superior to any DICE game ever made. Whether or not that will be true for MW2, I'm not sure. But as of now, I would say IW>>>>>>>> DICE no competition. And since you continually bring up personal opinion, i will have to say based on Universal opinion.

...By definition, you excluding personal opinions means it is anything BUT a universal opinion.
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#121 InsaneBasura
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[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

Don't no one fall under the pretense that DICE is the savior of all that is true and just in the world just because they took the opportunity to get some free PR. As has been mentioned, acta non verba. They've already decided to leave prone out, again. Those who pre-order will get multiplayer cheats. So the "acta" part is already looking a bit iffy. And where is BF3 already? Battlefield 2 will be almost five years old by the time of BC2's release.

DICE clearly >>>>>> Infinity Ward though.

DarkGamer007

People who pre-order do not get multiplayer cheats, they simply unlock a few items/weapons earlier, which normal players will unlock at a latter level.

How is that not a cheat? They literally market it as such. "Day One Advantage". And if we'll start off at the same rank as everyone else we'll always be five unlocks ahead.
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#122 Phoenix534
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[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

Don't no one fall under the pretense that DICE is the savior of all that is true and just in the world just because they took the opportunity to get some free PR. As has been mentioned, acta non verba. They've already decided to leave prone out, again. Those who pre-order will get multiplayer cheats. So the "acta" part is already looking a bit iffy. And where is BF3 already? Battlefield 2 will be almost five years old by the time of BC2's release.

DICE clearly >>>>>> Infinity Ward though.

InsaneBasura

People who pre-order do not get multiplayer cheats, they simply unlock a few items/weapons earlier, which normal players will unlock at a latter level.

How is that not a cheat? They literally market it as such. "Day One Advantage". And if we'll start off at the same rank as everyone else we'll always be five unlocks ahead.

It's not a cheat. Cheating would be if they gave out modded controllers. This is just giving people who pre-ordered an few extra weapons that are avaliable to everyone who plays.

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#123 ExplosiveChorro
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Totaly agree. Love the Battlefield series. I just don't have the first bad company, but anticipating the second because its finally on PC!

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#124 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"] If they believe Battlefield BC is of higher quality than Call of Duty 4. Well yes, i would say they are uninformed or uneducated. Because they definitely have not researched the scores/ sales of the game, which both directly relate to the overall quality of the game, wouldn't you say so?GranTurismo123

So what you're saying is that we should all just follow the opinions of others? If you believe people who prefer battlefield over COD are ignorant because their opinions differ from yours, than you are the ignorant one.

I never said people who prefer battlefield to COD. I said you would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality of COD 4.

If a person prefers BFBC over COD then that means they believe BFBC is of better quality than COD no matter what the sales figuires and higher scores say.Get over it COD is not the holy grail of FPS's.Reviews are just opinions.Just because millions of people like one thing doesn't make everyone else who doesn't ignorant.Stop trying to impose your opinions on others.I and millions other greatly prefer Bfbc over cod, you don't like it? Go kick rocks.

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#125 Rockman999
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Although I never played it online, I found Battlefield BC to be very repetitive... unfortunately, one of the few games I've been so bored with that I stopped playing before completing.carljohnson3456
There goes your mistake, try playing it online sometime.:)

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#126 Cait__Sith
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WERE USING BIG FONT NOW?

THEN ITS BF2>MW2 EVERYDAY AND ANY DAY....

LETS SEE SOME COD:MW PLAYERS EVEN GET A KILL IN THAT GAME LET ALONE FLY A PLANE (SUCCESSFULLY)

tutt3r

This is what happens when MW players try to fly in BF2.

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[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

WERE USING BIG FONT NOW?

THEN ITS BF2>MW2 EVERYDAY AND ANY DAY....

LETS SEE SOME COD:MW PLAYERS EVEN GET A KILL IN THAT GAME LET ALONE FLY A PLANE (SUCCESSFULLY)

Cait__Sith

This is what happens when MW players try to fly in BF2.

LOL

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#128 DarrenMolloy
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Look, they are both going to be good games... Still prefer Bad company to COD, just for its amazing sound, unbelivable graphics and an actual story and entertainment values.... They will both be games im gettin but i just prefer Bad Company..:)
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#129 dakan45
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One thing: story wise the singleplayer of modern warfare 2 wil be better. But in everything else....
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#130 GranTurismo123
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[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]So what you're saying is that we should all just follow the opinions of others? If you believe people who prefer battlefield over COD are ignorant because their opinions differ from yours, than you are the ignorant one.

Rockman999

I never said people who prefer battlefield to COD. I said you would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality of COD 4.

If a person prefers BFBC over COD then that means they believe BFBC is of better quality than COD no matter what the sales figuires and higher scores say.Get over it COD is not the holy grail of FPS's.Reviews are just opinions.Just because millions of people like one thing doesn't make everyone else who doesn't ignorant.Stop trying to impose your opinions on others.I and millions other greatly prefer Bfbc over cod, you don't like it? Go kick rocks.

I'm not trying to impose my opinion at all. But the only way to fairly come to a conclusion of what company is better than the other, you have to use universal opinion or majority. The majority of people clearly think the Modern Warfare series is superior to Battlefield Bad Company, based on sales figures alone. So again IW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DICE.
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#131 Hathesulacon
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Oh wow, I thought I was the only one who thought that Dice > Infinity Ward.

I mean I looked at Bad Company 2 and I near exploded, the destructible environments are even cooler than BC:1. I mean just about EVERYTHING is destroyable, I make a point of this because it gives a feeling of satisfaction when you shoot at stuff and it breaks realistically, the graphics are SEXY. And all the vehicles are awesome. Sound effects are beautiful. Etc, Modern Warfare 2, sure it looks awesome and ill buy, but no doubt BC:2 > Modern Warfare 2.

To bad Bad Company 2 isnt a hype machine. lol No Doubt Modern Warfare 2 will receive 9.3+ across the boards, Bad Company 2, eeee....I dont want to think about it.

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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]

[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"] I never said people who prefer battlefield to COD. I said you would be ignorant to think that Battlefield Bad Company is of the same quality of COD 4.GranTurismo123

If a person prefers BFBC over COD then that means they believe BFBC is of better quality than COD no matter what the sales figuires and higher scores say.Get over it COD is not the holy grail of FPS's.Reviews are just opinions.Just because millions of people like one thing doesn't make everyone else who doesn't ignorant.Stop trying to impose your opinions on others.I and millions other greatly prefer Bfbc over cod, you don't like it? Go kick rocks.

I'm not trying to impose my opinion at all. But the only way to fairly come to a conclusion of what company is better than the other, you have to use universal opinion or majority. The majority of people clearly think the Modern Warfare series is superior to Battlefield Bad Company, based on sales figures alone. So again IW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DICE.

A lot of people didn't buy Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind but everyone who plays it LOVES it.

Sales dont make the game, if 13 million people bought Leisure Suit Larry and hated it, and 5 million people buy Fallout 3 and LOVE it. What game is better? Think before you post big guy.

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#133 GranTurismo123
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[QUOTE="GranTurismo123"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]If a person prefers BFBC over COD then that means they believe BFBC is of better quality than COD no matter what the sales figuires and higher scores say.Get over it COD is not the holy grail of FPS's.Reviews are just opinions.Just because millions of people like one thing doesn't make everyone else who doesn't ignorant.Stop trying to impose your opinions on others.I and millions other greatly prefer Bfbc over cod, you don't like it? Go kick rocks.

Hathesulacon

I'm not trying to impose my opinion at all. But the only way to fairly come to a conclusion of what company is better than the other, you have to use universal opinion or majority. The majority of people clearly think the Modern Warfare series is superior to Battlefield Bad Company, based on sales figures alone. So again IW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DICE.

A lot of people didn't buy Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind but everyone who plays it LOVES it.

Sales dont make the game, if 13 million people bought Leisure Suit Larry and hated it, and 5 million people buy Fallout 3 and LOVE it. What game is better? Think before you post big guy.

This is not what I'm arguing. I said the only way to come to a conclusion of what company is better is to use the universal Opinion of these games. I said nothing about "sales making the game". So please good sir, check yoself before you wreck yoself.
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#134 Cait__Sith
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[QUOTE="mr_poodles123"]

[QUOTE="Cait__Sith"]

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

WERE USING BIG FONT NOW?

THEN ITS BF2>MW2 EVERYDAY AND ANY DAY....

LETS SEE SOME COD:MW PLAYERS EVEN GET A KILL IN THAT GAME LET ALONE FLY A PLANE (SUCCESSFULLY)

This is what happens when MW players try to fly in BF2.

LOL

Sadley I could somehow see this happening...