Digital Foundry : Comparison video on why you will see Xbox One X and PC games look better than PS4 Pro

Hhh.. no. They will easily be above the PS4 Pro's visual. Even if they use checkerboard rendering, the fact that the XB1X will have all that extra memory to work with to put more details, textures, etc.. in the visuals. The XB1X version will look more like the PC version in the end. Especially the SP type games. Only thing holding XB1X back is the OG XB1 for multiplayer games. That is with the FPS. The XB1X gap is bigger with the Pro. The PS4 Pro will be checkerboarding rendering games from a lower resolution then the XB1X. I'm sure there will be some XB1X games that will be native 4K / 60fps that won't be the same on the PS4 Pro.

Why do you guys waste your time with him?

He lays that fat bait right out there and you guys just eat it up lol

Lol Horizon looks better than most games even running on high end PCs. Why would a console with hardware worse than a GTX1070 make a difference? Hell not even the GTX can sustain native 4k across current games and you're pretending the X1X will on future games that will be more demanding? You people are in another level of delusion. You lemmings are pretending the X1X is like another level of power we haven't seen before. Newsflash: we have seen before a lot of stuff and much better than what it will be capable of, so there's no going to be too much jaw-dropping going on. What Horizon has on its favor is a combination of technical ability with artistic quality that makes the game impressive (even without reaching native 4k) and Sony was able to achieve that because they have a quality first party dev as Guerrilla Games that can focus all their time and resources to optimizing the game. Microsoft has nowhere near the talent in their first party to match what Guerrilla Games did except maybe with the Forza devs but racing games don't make such an impact and are easier to make look good. So no, in a year there won't be much better looking games than Horizon on the X1X. Wake up because you people are going to get massively owned for being so irrationally gullible.

You're misinterpreting what I stated.

The difference between XB1X and Pro is 3X the difference between PS4 and XB1.

I'm NOT stating that XB1X is 3X more powerful than Pro. That's asinine.

The games will still be the same on all consoles, just like with the X1 and the PS4. Just some visual differences. However, the PS4's will still have awesome exclusives not available anywhere else. If you want to play graphics, buy a PC.

@Juub1990: Seriously lol.

This is actually up for debate? They have higher specs than PS4, so yes it's capable of better everything. Graphics are good on even mobile phones these days, you just need good art direction and know how to use the tools available to you. Oorrrr buy a beast PC, upgrade it maybe every 10 years and buy the games cheaper on Steam, lol

The relative difference between the X1X and Pro is the same as the difference between OG PS4 and X1. Except the real world difference will be even less this time due to diminishing returns. PS4 still has better APIs though.

The real world differences in terms of pure resolution increases do not suffer diminishing returns as much as other part of the rendering do. Increasing resolution is pretty much a linear thing. X more pixels = X less performance.

True, but I could barely tell any difference between checkerboarded 4K and native 4K on my 4K TV. I think the vast majority of consumers won't see much of a difference between multi-platform titles on these two consoles. It will come down to first party talent.

Sony has the upper hand with their super low level API whereas Microsoft is running DX12 on their console. DX12 is made to run on many GPUs, so it is more abstract compared to an API that was specifically developed for one configuration.

@Rikusaki: Just like the Xbox and the Xbox 360 before it, the version of DirectX that is on the Xbox One is one modified specifically for the platform. There is no benefit that Sony has over Microsoft in that department. Also the whole concept of "super low level" really doesn't make sense when talking about APIs anymore. Sony's API, by their own words is, "DirectX like" which means they've added layers of abstraction to best emulate the functionality and coder side implementation of their API to that of DirectX. This is so the PS4 is easily ported too and from which is highly desired by developers. The nearly microscopic efficiency gain isn't worth the headache of having some highly unique API built around your hardware (which wouldn't even be that different since the PS4 and Xbox One are basically the same machines with minimal differences).

Even if there was an actual level of efficiency differences between the two, which I highly doubt since the Xbox team treats the Xbox One like a game console and not just another PC platform, the differences would be minimal given the fact that games are developed on and tested on one single unified set of hardware for the Xbox One. Most of the inefficiencies we see at the API level on the PC come from when developers are trying to actually support the wide range of hardware. Even on the PC, with the "bloated" APIs, if you develop a game for one set of hardware you can highly optimize it.

In the real world it's not an advantage that Sony has. Sony gained infinitely more from that more powerful GPU and unified RAM architecture (8 gbs GDDR5 vs 8 gbs DDR3 + 32 mbs ESRAM) than anything else (and I say that Sony's got a slimmer OS on top of all of that too). Microsoft has addressed that RAM issue with the Xbox One X as well as put a significantly more powerful GPU in the machine. The PS4 Pro gains no real world performance ground from its API.

With API performance gains you're talking about adding a few extra pennies to multi million dollar transactions. Basically nothing.

Xbox One X is a beast

@EG101: then that would make it roughly 120% more powerful which according to devs isn't true.

It's not the same since

1. X1X's GPU has superior memory bandwidth, superior memory storage, superior tessellation/geometry with superior TFLOPS FP32.

2. PS4's GPU only has superior TFLOPS FP32. If PS4 has absolute superiority over XBO, SnakePass PS4 build should NOT have missing extra grass effects from XBO version.

X1X has custom DirectX12 command processor with microcode support.

DirectX12 API level is higher than GCN instruction set level and MS attempted to bring DirectX12 closer to the silicon/instruction set level with custom DirectX12 command processor with microcode support.

For X1X, MS's approach is to customise the hardware for DirectX12 and existing 3D engines which is opposite from 3D engines and API being optimised for hardware approach.

From EA DICE,

Notice the difference between PC and XBO DX12 behavior.

PC DX12 version uses compute shader patching while XBO version uses custom command processor with microcode support. PC DX12 version uses GPU shader resource.

By this logic, the visual difference between XB1 and PS4 should be nearly 4x the visual difference between Vita and Switch undocked and even more than 3x the visual difference between 3DS and Switch undocked. Do you stand by this logic?

@Wasdie: You do know that Ps4 has gnm and gnmx api's, gnmx being closer to dx11 and gnm being more low level

Great news for gamers worldwide. Thank you Microsoft!

ARC Survival has yielded more than 2x performance difference

X1X's 60 fps with near EPIC settings.

PS4 Pro's 30 fps with just above game console settings.

This is unconfirmed and you have been explained and proven 10 million times why it is so ronbot. Stop playing dumb.

Your argument is unconfirmed and you have been explained and proven 10 million times why it is so pinkanimal. Stop playing cow dumb.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58011/ark-dev-xbox-one-pc-gtx-1070-16gb-ram/index.html

As for the comparisons between the PC and Xbox One X, he said: "If you think about it, it's kind of equivalent to a GTX 1070 maybe and the Xbox One X actually has 12GB of GDDR5 memory. It's kind of like having a pretty high-end PC minus a lot of overhead due to the operating system on PC. So I would say it's equivalent to a 16GB 1070 PC, and that's a pretty good deal for $499".

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57990/ark-dev-xbox-one-horsepower-phenomenal/index.html

Studio Wildcard's Jesse Rapczak was recently on the E3 2017 Live Show with Geoff Keighley, where he said that they're aiming for 60FPS on Xbox One X, and that 60FPS was "not possible" on the PS4 Pro. PS4 Pro users can run 60FPS, but only at 720p where we'll see ARK running at 1080p 60FPS on close to Epic settings on Xbox One X.

ARC Survival's developer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pinkanimal

And you leave out where he clarifies his comments like the hypocrite you are. Also it doesn't help that your knowledge of the english language is pretty limited even for a bot like you.

Your argument with "where he clarifies his comments" is load of bullshit. It doesn't help when your pinkyanimal brain has mad cow disease.

• If you think about it, it's kind of equivalent to a GTX 1070
• where we'll see ARK running at 1080p 60FPS on close to Epic settings on Xbox One X.

It's not rocket science.

It's worst for your PS4 Pro when 60 fps version is only 1280x720p LOL.

Aiming at 60fps doesn't mean they'll get 60fps, it just means they're aiming at it. Also resolution is not locked so it can fall below 1080p. Learn english hypocritebot

Thus, SONY remains on TOP guys.

Where did you felch that conclusion from?

@pinkanimal: lol dat 720pStation Pro.

WTH does the Switch, Vita and 3DS have to do with the PS4 and XB1??

If you can't see how bad your analogy is then I don't know what to tell you.

Just in case you didn't already know the Xb1X and PS4 Pro are mid Gen refreshes of the XB1 and PS4. That is why I made the comparison.

@EG101: No, the analogy makes perfect sense. You're the one not making sense here. The difference between them isn't 3x as big because one raw number is 3x as big. That's not how it works. You always have to use percentages when talking about relative differences. That's the point of the analogy. Sadly, it seems that you're a little slow.

@techhog89:

It's technically Greater than 3X.

Guess your too dumb to get it...

@EG101: No, I get what you're trying to say. I just want to let you know that it doesn't work that way.

"where we'll see ARK running at 1080p 60FPS on close to Epic settings on Xbox One X".

It's worst for your PS4 Pro since it's 720p at ~60 fps. Learn English hypocrite pinky.

where he said that they're aiming for 60FPS on Xbox One X

Also:

https://www.reddit.com/r/playark/comments/6gtpc6/the_good_news_about_the_xbox_one_x_and_ark/

"Hey guys, just to clarify... the resolution is not locked, it is variable resolution"

But of course people have shown you this 1000 times and you insist on remaining an ignorant bot and copy-pasting your useless database.

OK well that is your opinion.

My point is that the difference from XB1X to PS4 Pro is More Significant than the difference from PS4 to Xb1.

The Sony fanboys on this forum are trying to down play that by sticking a percentage on it and those percentages are not CLOSE to being equal.

@EG101: They are. It's the bandwidth and extra RAM that adds to the difference. The GPU difference is only a little bigger on its own though. You saying that it's 3x the difference because the difference in raw flops is 3x as big is just proof that you don't know what you're talking about.

I'd get a pro if it was supported better. Base PS4 is great not much need. Now XB1X is needed imo.

Once the games start coming out it will not be a PS4 Pro V X1X thing, it will be like how it always should have been a PS4 Pro vs a Xbox S.

Xbox 1 X will be compared to PCs that are worth 3-4 the price.

This will become PC gamers trying to justify 4 times the price of a console. Lets be real though 95% of the people talking do not have the PC to match just like the Sony gamers that act like they all have a gamer PC.

I see a few mods and other people say they will dust the X1X. I just hope they show stats cause I am guessing this is going to be like Sony gamers vs Xbox/PC games kinda thing where they have no PC that can match.

I would LOVE to see some of these super PC gamers that mock the X1X post the Bioware Anthem pc stats or a similar game.

You know there will be a lot of talk now but when it comes time to put up or shut up, there will be a lot of silence.

I hope you show your PC screen shots compared to the X1X. You said a 700 graphic card dusts the X1X and then talked down the X1X. One thing to have a PC that plays old gen games and another that beats the X1X.

When did I say a 700 GPU is more powerful than an Xbox One? I don't recall saying that.

You said a GPU that costs $700, which was the cheapest I could find. You wanted to downplay the X1X because of a $700 graphic card.

Are you going to compare your PC screenshots to the X1X?

I admit I forget the card you brought up but if need to I can look it up. I just remember looking up the price. and the cheapest on Newegg was $700.

Nevermind I found it, you were talking about how the GTX 1080 ti beats it.

Just looking forward to the screenshots of you comparing your PC to the X1X. I have to admit I am jealous of the $1,500.00 PC

PS. Go ahead and look me up which I bet you want to now. I'm a Xbox fan so you will find that type of info. Just like your posts are pro pc and anti Xbox.

@CanYouDiglt:

Not sure what you're getting at here. Of course a $700 GPU beats the X1X, and Wadie's PC chews through the X1X lol.

One thing to have a PC that plays old gen games and another that beats the X1X.

...do you actually believe the X1X hangs with modern, higher end gaming PCs?

Wadie is this you?????

Lets assume its not.

I do kinda laugh at PC gamers that need $1,500 PC to compete with a console.

Truth is almost no PC gamers have a PC like this and the ones that do are sad. For bragging rights over the X1X a PC gamers has to spend some seriously money. The graphic card by itself is more then the console and then add in cpu, power, ram, memory, and so on. Lets face it the difference will be small and then they have to add in all the hardships of PC gaming. One is plug and play and the other is at least 3 times the price with all the hardships of PC gaming.

Why would you even assume that, why wouldn't he just post on his own account? lol. And nah, Wasdie doesn't like me very much, so obviously not.

This is rich, aren't you the same dude who accused me of being @charizard1605 a month or two back? Am I secretly every mod now?

It's not competing with a console, it's straight up obliterating it, doing countless things a console can't do, both in and outside of gaming.

But still, so? You're the one bringing up a $700 GPU here lol. I was only stating the obvious, no shit a current $700 GPU beats a console.

Ohhh, you're just shit posting then. My bad, I figured you were just ignorant.

Damn it I posted from the wrong account

Ya Wasdie I will not respond to your alt.

Never had this guy respond to me ever till I mentioned your name. He comments on my posts a few times when I mention you name.

@CanYouDiglt: Literally last month you had an altercation with Conan and accused him of being my alt. So either you are a liar, or you are very forgetful, or you are both- in any of those cases, why would we take you seriously?

Fucking lulz.

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Also, my latest convo with Wasdie. We're definitely best buds.

You act as if I am on here as much as you. Look at the years and posts between us, do you think I remember ever fanboy? You realize you have 10 times more posts then I do. and I have just over 8k posts.

I would say ban people better but we all know who you would ban. I'm sure I would be gone pretty fast but at this point screw it.

I understand how fanboys act but I can be wrong here and there.

I remember our battle before and I pointed out this was a forum dying and since E3 it is really started to die down again.