Digital Foundry Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition Face-Off

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#101 mikhail
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@AM-Gamer said:

@RoboCopISJesus: You don't have certain game modes on your system either. Avenger mode alone is amazing and no local co-op sucks on pc. Any of those items could easily be removed on consoles and will be. I have some of the best items of anyone I play with and there all legit. So this claim of rampant dupes is bullshit. I have yet to see one.

Ever seen a tapir? No? Then they must not exist! Brilliant logic.

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#102 regnaston
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@regnaston: He just made Shit up. It only stutters during autosave. It beats the X1 version period. Blue fog? Lol wow

read the article fully buddy.. he is just quoting what the article says .. he never made anything up

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#103 RoboCopISJesus
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@AM-Gamer said:

@RoboCopISJesus: You don't have certain game modes on your system either. Avenger mode alone is amazing

lol comparing avenger mode and ladder/seasons....sad.

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#104 Dire_Weasel
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@b4x said:

@Dire_Weasel said:

Except ... Diablo III uses blizzard's servers for matchmaking, and the actual game is played peer-to-peer. Decision making isn't really one of your big strengths, I guess.

But, again, I'm sure the Xbox One version is perfectly good. Those 8 frames a second are hardly important when you look at the big picture.

On the Microsoft backbone?

I'm sure a smart guy as yourself takes in all factors?

I do, thanks. I'm glad you can at least recognize that trait in other people.

"Microsoft backbone" ... you're hilarious.

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#105  Edited By AM-Gamer
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@mikhail: perhaps you should look up the definition of the word "Rampant" and then get back to me.

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#107 AM-Gamer
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@RoboCopISJesus: ladder seasons? Oh its so cool to reroll a character and start over every season. Lol sorry that sounds lame as Shit. They need to focus on PvP. 4 player co op alone is better then any pc mode.

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#108 mikhail
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@RoboCopISJesus: ladder seasons? Oh its so cool to reroll a character and start over every season. Lol sorry that sounds lame as Shit. They need to focus on PvP. 4 player co op alone is better then any pc mode.

That does sound cool a shit, and tons of people are looking forward to it. Just go look at the Blizzard forums or the Diablo 3 subreddit. Unique, ladder-only legendaries that transfer over to your regular characters' stash at the end of the season that isn't available in the regular game? Sign me up.

It's cool if you want to play Diablo casually though, too. If that's your thing.

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#109 Mr_Huggles_dog
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So anyone want to tell me what this hacking or whatever on the consoles is all about?

I was thinking of getting D3 for PS4 to see if it translates well or could be more fun on console....but what Robo said made me wonder.

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#110 AM-Gamer
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@mikhail: Some people enjoy that not me. The kind of people that enjoy hardcore may like that, I personally like to keep my progress. I wish they would focus on open PvP like D2. It will probably never happen but I spent years in PvP on D2. Not sure why didn't focus on it..

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#111 Chutebox
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@blackace said:

Parity is closing even faster then I expected. Like I said, "By the time E3 rolls around next year the parity will be pretty much closed. 52fps is not even worth a threads. That's seriously grasping at straws. Updated SDK in Nov and DX12 + update in Spring 2015. Game on.

X1 can't run game like Diablo at 60fps constant and you're talking parity?

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#112  Edited By HaloinventedFPS
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Seems like another biased article to make console gamers more comfortable with their purchase

"Look Consoles can run the game as good as PC!" ignoring the fact D3 has terrible graphics & could run on a toaster at max settings

Why didn't they make an article about Metro Redux & how 2033 Redux has been heavily downgraded compared to the original to achieve 1080p/60fps on consoles, of course they won't do that, that would make console gamers upset, can't have that

Anyway PC version still looks better with 4K, HBAO+ & MSAA, also DarkD3 if you hate how colorful D3 is

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#113 tacoma1972
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Both good but PS4 is better, and that's without them putting a gun to the developers head like Microsoft did.

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#114 RoboCopISJesus
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Just like vanilla release, expect D3 to be a ghost town a few weeks after release on consoles due to hacking/duping.

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#115 topgunmv
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I'm assuming consoles have local saves because of Sony and Microsoft policy.

I wonder why Blizzard couldn't get a similar deal to what EA has so they could use their own servers for saves.

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#116 highking_kallor
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

@AM-Gamer said:

How does it feel one of the best franchises on PC is now superior on PS4?

1. Console version isn't even getting the most hyped feature which Diablo player have been asking for years... Ladders and Seasons .....the mainstay of high end D3 play are not coming to consoles, due to controller's lack of competitive play. The real version is on PC. You don't understand technology if you thought an ARPG via thumbsticks would allow for top end play.

2. Hacking is rampant on console version. This shit is game breaking and made people quite in droves on the PS3/X360 versions. Hours after Ultimate Evil Edition Launch, and its very easy to do:

http://www.reddit.com/r/diablo3/comments/2e4716/hacked_items_are_back_on_console/

No DRM equals best version.Take your fucken drm and shove it up your ass loser.

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#117 highking_kallor
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@mikhail said:

@AM-Gamer said:

@mikhail: let's see your gamertag. If you even wanna debate that movement on a mouse is better then a analog stick that's called rabbid fanboyism.

As if I would ever connect this account to a gamertag or Steam ID...you're nuts. But hey, if your only defense is a passive aggressive attempt at calling me a liar, then you can go pound sand down a rathole.

Pussy backs out. Totally fucked over of course.

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#119 highking_kallor
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@animeishomo said:

Pitiful that the Xbone can't even run a shitty-looking game at locked 60 FPS and that's with the army of engineers that Blizzard used to optimize the Xbone version.

I bet the PS4 version was barely optimized. Probably only 2 people working on the PS4 version for 3 days max while the Xbone version had 300 coders working for months. Microsoft needs to be removed from the industry so that 3rd parties can focus solely on the PS4.

Parity these days is when the game is brought down to the lowest common denominator.

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#120  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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@highking_kallor said:sole/

No DRM equals best version.Take your fucken drm and shove it up your ass loser.

Have fun w/ your ghost towns and seasons/ladders.

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#122 lostrib
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@highking_kallor said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@highking_kallor said:sole/

No DRM equals best version.Take your fucken drm and shove it up your ass loser.

Have fun w/ your ghost towns and seasons/ladders.

Thats right nothing to say my little bitch. Run away baby run away

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#124 lostrib
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@highking_kallor said:

@lostrib said:

IM NOT ANGRY YOU MIDGET. THIS IS ME HAPPY. DIDNT YOU NOTICE FLYBOY

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#126  Edited By lostrib
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@highking_kallor said:

@lostrib said:

@highking_kallor said:

IM NOT ANGRY YOU MIDGET. THIS IS ME HAPPY. DIDNT YOU NOTICE FLYBOY

SORRY SUM FUKCER PISSED IN MY CERAL CUNTS

mmmm hmmm, and how does that make you feel?

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#128  Edited By Snugenz
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@mr_huggles_dog said:

So anyone want to tell me what this hacking or whatever on the consoles is all about?

I was thinking of getting D3 for PS4 to see if it translates well or could be more fun on console....but what Robo said made me wonder.

As far as i know it's only possible atm if you already have D3 on the PS3 where you can modify the save files (with a USB drive and an editor on PC). Then you import a (PS3) character with hacked items (like 100k dps 3 socket weps) to your PS4 version of UEE.

So it's definitely happening and with hacked items Seasons/ladders will be decimated by cheaters. I hate Blizzards decision to keep D3 PC always online, but this is one huge upside to it.

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#130 HaloinventedFPS
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@highking_kallor said:

@RoboCopISJesus said:

@AM-Gamer said:

How does it feel one of the best franchises on PC is now superior on PS4?

1. Console version isn't even getting the most hyped feature which Diablo player have been asking for years... Ladders and Seasons .....the mainstay of high end D3 play are not coming to consoles, due to controller's lack of competitive play. The real version is on PC. You don't understand technology if you thought an ARPG via thumbsticks would allow for top end play.

2. Hacking is rampant on console version. This shit is game breaking and made people quite in droves on the PS3/X360 versions. Hours after Ultimate Evil Edition Launch, and its very easy to do:

http://www.reddit.com/r/diablo3/comments/2e4716/hacked_items_are_back_on_console/

No DRM equals best version.Take your fucken drm and shove it up your ass loser.

Consoles are the DRM, especially PS4 & Xbone, can't even play certain videos & music on them

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#132 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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I've been playing it on the PS4 for the past few days and I haven't noticed any stuttering. I also have to admit that playing it with the controller, while not always the most precise, is much more comfortable than playing D3 on the PC.

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#133 GrenadeLauncher
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@Dire_Weasel said:

@b4x said:

@Dire_Weasel said:

Except ... Diablo III uses blizzard's servers for matchmaking, and the actual game is played peer-to-peer. Decision making isn't really one of your big strengths, I guess.

But, again, I'm sure the Xbox One version is perfectly good. Those 8 frames a second are hardly important when you look at the big picture.

On the Microsoft backbone?

I'm sure a smart guy as yourself takes in all factors?

I do, thanks. I'm glad you can at least recognize that trait in other people.

"Microsoft backbone" ... you're hilarious.

Microsoft's backbone is its dumbass fanbase clinging to straws on internet forums.

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#134  Edited By delta3074
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@Dire_Weasel said:

@blackace said:

I don't see 8fps as being a compromise. It's pretty much irrelevant for anyone who buys this game.

Of course you don't ...and that's what makes you the perfect target market for the Xbox One. Believe me, Microsoft wishes there were more people like you out there. Spread the word, friend.

Real gamers play games, they don't obsess over Framrates or Resolution.

Makes me laugh, when the 360 was consistently winning these battles over the Ps3 resolution and framerate didn't matter to Cows, now the position is reversed it means everything and lems are using the same Excuse that SONY drones used last gen.Personally i am quite happy playing these games on my 360, not gonna drop 400 quid on just a graphics upgrade, i just want to play the games, 720p, 1080p.... i don't care, 30fps, 60fps, 120 fps....still don't care.

i am sure many people are still happy playing these games on there Ps3 as well.

I still get to play virtually all the Same games that Ps4 and Xbone owners are playing, so what if it's at lower resoution and Framerate, don't make no odds to me it's still the same game.

Lems and Cows Are stuck on an infinite merry go round, both completely changing polarity generation after generation.

We chose to be gamers to play games , that is all, people might want to remember that.

The only thing both SONY and MS have done for the industry is segragate gamers and the sooner they both do one the better.

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#135 delta3074
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@mikhail said:

@AM-Gamer said:

@mikhail: not really because it's just as good

That's subjective. As someone who has played Diablo 3 extensively on both PC and consoles, I can tell you that mouse & keyboard is better.

See how subjectivity works?

I prefer M+K for games like daiblo and torchlight, Torchlight and diablo 3 don't feel right with a controller.

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#136 Bigboi500
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Plays flawlessly on my PS4. The game is so good I can't stop playing it.

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#137 blackace
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@blackace: Are you really using D3 as a standard for parity? Dips to 52 fps is barely noticeable but the PS4 version runs it flawlessly. It's a game that both systems can and should run in there sleep.

They pretty much do. This thread is pretty much meaningless. Grasping a straws. No one complained with Knack ran at 30fps and dropped to 14fps. lol!! That's a thousands times worse then this mainly because the hardware designer "Cerny" created the game. Cow don't want to talk about that. lmao!! Now close this dumb thread.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/knack-frame-rate-drops-to-the-low-teens-14fps-30932555/

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#138 blackace
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@tormentos said:

@blackace said:

Parity is closing even faster then I expected. Like I said, "By the time E3 rolls around next year the parity will be pretty much closed. 52fps is not even worth a threads. That's seriously grasping at straws. Updated SDK in Nov and DX12 + update in Spring 2015. Game on.

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

Even the 750TI runs D3 in 1080p 52FPS and is weaker than the 7770..hahahhaa

DX12 was shutdown already it will do nothing,but keep the hopes alive..lol

@blackace said:

Stay clueless. lol!! We aren't seeing anymore 720P games on XB1 and soon there won't be any 900P games. Parity is disappearing with ever new game announced. I own both consoles and have had the PS4 version of D3UEE preordered since it was announced. I don't see 8fps as being a compromise. It's pretty much irrelevant for anyone who buys this game. This generation is far from over and the XB1 is just getting started. Quantum Break was just a taste. Stay biased Mr. Troll.

Dude this game run on hardware weaker than the 7770 at 50+ FPS in 1080p max out,in fact on the 7770 it should be like 66FPS on the 7850 is like 80 or more and like 100+FPS on the 7870...hahaha

Quantum break is not even close to The Order we already saw it..lol

Quantum Break blows it away. Almost everyone who has played The Order is saying it's a cinamatic rail shooter. It's not even running at a true 1080p resolution. Everyone knows the game runs better on a PC. Only an idiot like yourself would make those comparisons. Keep crying you trolling Cow. Greatness is coming....

http://www.ensenandoacomeramihijo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/crying_cow-150x150.jpg

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#139  Edited By Dire_Weasel
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@blackace said:

Now close this dumb thread.

Blackace has had enough, and would you like you all to please make it stop.

This bump is for him.

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#140 Bigboi500
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Vegetables bad, meat good!

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#141 GrenadeLauncher
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@blackace said:

Quantum Break blows it away.

lol all we've seen of it is ten minutes of scripted gameplay.

As of right now it's an part-interactive TV show part-third person shooter with a time control gimmick. No reason to be hyped whatsoever.

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#142 AM-Gamer
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@blackace: Knack was a launch title. Do we need to talk about the terrible performance in DR3 as well? The PS4 either matches it or outperforms it in about 95% of the games released. Why are we debating power between these two anymore.

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#143 Dire_Weasel
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@Bigboi500 said:

Vegetables bad, meat good!

Heh. I just played that battle. Good times.

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#145 AM-Gamer
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@HaloinventedFPS: Lol 4k does nothing for D3 it's equivalent to its max settings. Please keep grasping for straws.

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#146  Edited By mikhail
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@AM-Gamer said:

@HaloinventedFPS: Lol 4k does nothing for D3 it's equivalent to its max settings. Please keep grasping for straws.

At least PCs are physically capable of resolutions and FPS over 1080p/60, so people have the option to play at 120fps, 1440p, or 4k if they have the hardware to support it. None of that is possible for any console, period.

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#147  Edited By AM-Gamer
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@mikhail: You are more clueless then I thought. That must be why the devolpers of trine 2 said the PS4 version could run in 4k? Do you honestly need the reason why consoles never target over 60fps even on games that could easily achieve that goal? Tv's are not capable of pushing over 60 fps. You need special monitor's for that. 95% of console users are not gonna play on a monitor. Tv's focus on more accurate colors and deeper blacks not refresh rate. And do I need to tell you the % of people who don't own a 4k display?

Consoles focus on high quality assets in 1080p. There not gonna waste there time pushing less demanding games above 60fps especially when there audience doesn't have the means to notice it.

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#148 m3dude1
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Herms are so dumb. just to clarify something, console games are framerate capped at a maximum of 60 fps. if it were to run uncapped the average would be mugh higher than 60 fps. so saying dumb shit like "x gpu gets 66 fps" is almost certainly even worse performance(by a significant amount) than the console versions.

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#149  Edited By mikhail
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@AM-Gamer said:

@mikhail: You are more clueless then I thought. That must be why the devolpers of trine 2 said the PS4 version could run in 4k? Do you honestly need the reason why consoles never target over 60fps even on games that could easily achieve that goal? Tv's are not capable of pushing over 60 fps. You need special monitor's for that. 95% of console users are not gonna play on a monitor. Tv's focus on more accurate colors and deeper blacks not refresh rate. And do I need to tell you the % of people who don't own a 4k display?

Consoles focus on high quality assets in 1080p. There not gonna waste there time pushing less demanding games above 60fps especially when there audience doesn't have the means to notice it.

Do you even have the most basic understanding of the types of bandwidth & connections required to support the resolutions you're talking about? To push the amount of data required for something like 1080p/120hz you need dual link DVI or DisplayPort and a monitor that has the right inputs. Consoles PHYSICALLY cannot do that, ever. Whether the console internally could generate that resolution & framerate (they can't by the way) is irrelevant. They would never be able to display it.

Let's say you wanted to run an old game like Minecraft on the PS4 and you could easily push it to 1080p/120 or 1440p/120. There's no way for the PS4 to even output that resolution, it's hardware limited. Do some research or go back to school if you want to get into a technical discussion with me because I'm going to embarrass you every single time.

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#150  Edited By topgunmv
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@mikhail said:

@AM-Gamer said:

@mikhail: You are more clueless then I thought. That must be why the devolpers of trine 2 said the PS4 version could run in 4k? Do you honestly need the reason why consoles never target over 60fps even on games that could easily achieve that goal? Tv's are not capable of pushing over 60 fps. You need special monitor's for that. 95% of console users are not gonna play on a monitor. Tv's focus on more accurate colors and deeper blacks not refresh rate. And do I need to tell you the % of people who don't own a 4k display?

Consoles focus on high quality assets in 1080p. There not gonna waste there time pushing less demanding games above 60fps especially when there audience doesn't have the means to notice it.

Do you even have the most basic understanding of the types of bandwidth & connections required to support the resolutions you're talking about? To push the amount of data required for something like 1080p/120hz you need dual link DVI or DisplayPort and a monitor that has the right inputs. Consoles PHYSICALLY cannot do that, ever. Whether the console internally could generate that resolution & framerate (they can't by the way) is irrelevant. They would never be able to display it.

Let's say you wanted to run an old game like Minecraft on the PS4 and you could easily push it to 1080p/120 or 1440p/120. There's no way for the PS4 to even output that resolution, it's hardware limited. Do some research or go back to school if you want to get into a technical discussion with me because I'm going to embarrass you every single time.

Actually HDMI supports 1080p/120hz and 4k@60hz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Version_2.0