Even games from years back like The Witcher 3 can stack up against it and surpass it in some areas.
lol spoken like a truely insecure PC fanboy who's never played Horizon Zero Dawn.
Your "nothing special" comment is what gives your insecurity away because The Witcher 3 is STILL the go to claim to fame for best graphics on for you PC fanatics...lol yet you say TW3 can "stack up against" PS4 exclusive Horizon Zero Dawn?
lol sorry that "nothing special" comment doesn't make any sense when you have to use maxed out highest preset settings of a PC game fanatics like yourself have PRAISED as gods gift to graphics on PC but now it can only "stacks up against" against a console exclusive, but it's nothing special?
lol that sounds dumb and salty AF.
How can it not be special when you're pulling out your ACE card for PC graphics to make an argument against it?
Stop over hyping The Witcher 3, unlike you I've played both The Witcher 3 and HZD and HZD shits all over it in virtually every area graphically.
FOH with those still screen shots, any PC game looks good in those. Gameplay is what matters in graphics and when in motion HZD craps on the witcher 3 graphically.
Talking of nothing special...the shitty mop-like hair, the robotic and stiff animations and the non inspired soap opera story all apply to The Witcher 3.
But this is about graphics, so I'll see those no action still frame pictures of TW3 and raise you in-game, fluid natural movement and realistic action combat gameplay of Horizon Zero Dawn:
Bring all the glossed up still pics you want, The Witcher 3 does not compare to this!
You won't find any in game action in motion from TW3 as impressive as this! I've played the Witcher 3 so I'm pretty confident in making that comment. lol the gameplay motion and fight combat animation in TW3 is something you'd expect from a B rated action RPG like Fable on 360...NOTHING SPECIAL.
Not only does HZD have fantastic graphics, it also brings it together with convincing motions and animations to give you a realistic feel when you play the game, while TW3 just feels disconnected and janky.
Back to the cave with your boring soap drama of a suggestion of a game with it's paint by the numbers gameplay while trying to suggest HZD is nothing special.
Stay insecure and damage controlling Mr. hermit, this must hurt you inside.
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I feel that 60 fps would have done wonders for the game from game play perspective.
That's the best thing about the new console upgrades as they are talking older games and making patches for older games to bring them up to the level of the current systems power.
One reason why I skipped out on Pro is because I know the full generational upgrade will take all current gen titles and max them out as far as a patch will allow so I'll be looking forward to that on PS5.
given how weak the pro is... its amazing how great this game looks
True. It's good looking even on PS4. I have it on PS4. It's just that, I bought games before on console because people were hyping the visuals and they just don't compare to good looking PC titles. And they don't need to, just saying they don't. I love the way Horizon looks on my PS4 but it looks a little blurry and less smooth than something like the latest Tomb Raider on my PC.
I got two screens now. I can put Horizon on the left one and Tomb Raider on the right one, side by side, and console games just never look quite as good visually. But in pictures on the forums it looks way better. Not saying they're tricked I think it's mostly a size thing.
given how weak the pro is... its amazing how great this game looks
True. It's good looking even on PS4. I have it on PS4. It's just that, I bought games before on console because people were hyping the visuals and they just don't compare to good looking PC titles. And they don't need to, just saying they don't. I love the way Horizon looks on my PS4 but it looks a little blurry and less smooth than something like the latest Tomb Raider on my PC.
I got two screens now. I can put Horizon on the left one and Tomb Raider on the right one, side by side, and console games just never look quite as good visually. But in pictures on the forums it looks way better. Not saying they're tricked I think it's mostly a size thing.
ive never seen how it looks on a standard ps4, only the pro. i wish i had something to compare it too. but for me its easily the best looking ps4(maybe even consoles in general) title around.
Even games from years back like The Witcher 3 can stack up against it and surpass it in some areas.
lol spoken like a truely insecure PC fanboy who's never played Horizon Zero Dawn.
Your "nothing special" comment is what gives your insecurity away because The Witcher 3 is STILL the go to claim to fame for best graphics on for you PC fanatics...lol yet you say TW3 can "stack up against" PS4 exclusive Horizon Zero Dawn?
lol sorry that "nothing special" comment doesn't make any sense when you have to use maxed out highest preset settings of a PC game fanatics like yourself have PRAISED as gods gift to graphics on PC but now it can only "stacks up against" against a console exclusive, but it's nothing special?
lol that sounds dumb and salty AF.
How can it not be special when you're pulling out your ACE card for PC graphics to make an argument against it?
Stop over hyping The Witcher 3, unlike you I've played both The Witcher 3 and HZD and HZD shits all over it in virtually every area graphically.
FOH with those still screen shots, any PC game looks good in those. Gameplay is what matters in graphics and when in motion HZD craps on the witcher 3 graphically.
Talking of nothing special...the shitty mop-like hair, the robotic and stiff animations and the non inspired soap opera story all apply to The Witcher 3.
But this is about graphics, so I'll see those no action still frame pictures of TW3 and raise you in-game, fluid natural movement and realistic action combat gameplay of Horizon Zero Dawn:
Bring all the glossed up still pics you want, The Witcher 3 does not compare to this!
You won't find any in game action in motion from TW3 as impressive as this! I've played the Witcher 3 so I'm pretty confident in making that comment. lol the gameplay motion and fight combat animation in TW3 is something you'd expect from a B rated action RPG like Fable on 360...NOTHING SPECIAL.
Not only does HZD have fantastic graphics, it also brings it together with convincing motions and animations to give you a realistic feel when you play the game, while TW3 just feels disconnected and janky.
Back to the cave with your boring soap drama of a suggestion of a game with it's paint by the numbers gameplay while trying to suggest HZD is nothing special.
Stay insecure and damage controlling Mr. hermit, this must hurt you inside.
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#DealWithIt!
Wow you seem insecure.
I said the game looked good but was nothing special and you go on some long rant with tiny gifs. As if The Witcher 3 doesn't have swaying foliage or debris. TW3 actually has water simulation too which Horizon seemed to lack.
@RyviusARC: HZD got water simulation in the latest patches. Just putting that out there.
Personally for me I think HZD looks a little bit better than Witcher 3. Main place where Witcher 3 wins is that I can run it at 60fps and higher on my PC while HZD is stuck at 30fps. Both are stunning games and the devs should be commended.
Even games from years back like The Witcher 3 can stack up against it and surpass it in some areas.
lol spoken like a truely insecure PC fanboy who's never played Horizon Zero Dawn.
Your "nothing special" comment is what gives your insecurity away because The Witcher 3 is STILL the go to claim to fame for best graphics on for you PC fanatics...lol yet you say TW3 can "stack up against" PS4 exclusive Horizon Zero Dawn?
lol sorry that "nothing special" comment doesn't make any sense when you have to use maxed out highest preset settings of a PC game fanatics like yourself have PRAISED as gods gift to graphics on PC but now it can only "stacks up against" against a console exclusive, but it's nothing special?
lol that sounds dumb and salty AF.
How can it not be special when you're pulling out your ACE card for PC graphics to make an argument against it?
Stop over hyping The Witcher 3, unlike you I've played both The Witcher 3 and HZD and HZD shits all over it in virtually every area graphically.
FOH with those still screen shots, any PC game looks good in those. Gameplay is what matters in graphics and when in motion HZD craps on the witcher 3 graphically.
Talking of nothing special...the shitty mop-like hair, the robotic and stiff animations and the non inspired soap opera story all apply to The Witcher 3.
But this is about graphics, so I'll see those no action still frame pictures of TW3 and raise you in-game, fluid natural movement and realistic action combat gameplay of Horizon Zero Dawn:
Bring all the glossed up still pics you want, The Witcher 3 does not compare to this!
You won't find any in game action in motion from TW3 as impressive as this! I've played the Witcher 3 so I'm pretty confident in making that comment. lol the gameplay motion and fight combat animation in TW3 is something you'd expect from a B rated action RPG like Fable on 360...NOTHING SPECIAL.
Not only does HZD have fantastic graphics, it also brings it together with convincing motions and animations to give you a realistic feel when you play the game, while TW3 just feels disconnected and janky.
Back to the cave with your boring soap drama of a suggestion of a game with it's paint by the numbers gameplay while trying to suggest HZD is nothing special.
Stay insecure and damage controlling Mr. hermit, this must hurt you inside.
Digital Foundry: We've seen a lot of large, open-ended games this year but it's clear that Guerrilla Games stands at the top of the industry with its efforts.
#DealWithIt!
Wow you seem insecure.
I said the game looked good but was nothing special and you go on some long rant with tiny gifs. As if The Witcher 3 doesn't have swaying foliage or debris. TW3 actually has water simulation too which Horizon seemed to lack.
Seems your more butthurt than me.
Be careful Cows cant handle it when you talk about...
@RyviusARC: Most of the consolites who claim HZD blows witcher 3 out of the water have never played it on a good PC.
I agree, hzd is impressive for the hardware it runs on, and I like some of the effects better, like the hair, and clothing details, but on the whole, Witcher 3 looks far better, with way more variation of foliage/terrain.
Console (Guerrilla games in particular) lighting tends subjectively look really good because of how much they match it to the art style but it's not very realistic. The shadows in Witcher 3 are more numerous, higher resolution, and realistically drawn.
PS4 doesn't have enough VRAM to draw the Witcher 3's textures on Ultra/Custom.
@lexxluger:
Consoles can't hold PC's jock when it comes to graphics. I thought this was commonly understood here in system wars...
Console (Guerrilla games in particular) lighting tends subjectively look really good because of how much they match it to the art style but it's not very realistic. The shadows in Witcher 3 are more numerous, higher resolution, and realistically drawn.
PS4 doesn't have enough VRAM to draw the Witcher 3's textures on Ultra/Custom.
Even games from years back like The Witcher 3 can stack up against it and surpass it in some areas.
I beg to differ... only area W3 is better is water interaction, draw distance and LOD.
Horizon gives it a beating in all other area's...
Video is null. I run The Witcher 3 above ultra settings and with a plethora of mods.
And yet it still doesn't look any better...... And next time use gameplay shots instead of bumping the resolution up to stupid levels so you get a high level of down sampling that you can't run during actual game play
Even games from years back like The Witcher 3 can stack up against it and surpass it in some areas.
I beg to differ... only area W3 is better is water interaction, draw distance and LOD.
Horizon gives it a beating in all other area's...
Video is null. I run The Witcher 3 above ultra settings and with a plethora of mods.
And yet it still doesn't look any better...... And next time use gameplay shots instead of bumping the resolution up to stupid levels so you get a high level of down sampling that you can't run during actual game play
that is just like your opinion man.
Also That is the resolution I play at.
3840x2160 is perfectly playable on my 1080ti even with all the mods and the settings pushed past Ultra.
Even games from years back like The Witcher 3 can stack up against it and surpass it in some areas.
I beg to differ... only area W3 is better is water interaction, draw distance and LOD.
Horizon gives it a beating in all other area's...
Video is null. I run The Witcher 3 above ultra settings and with a plethora of mods.
And yet it still doesn't look any better...... And next time use gameplay shots instead of bumping the resolution up to stupid levels so you get a high level of down sampling that you can't run during actual game play
3840x2160 is perfectly playable on my 1080ti even with all the mods and the settings pushed past Ultra.
I cant believe anyone would be arguing.........in good faith..........that Horizon is doing more that Witcher.........like at all.
This is a crazy and obviously biased look at it.
Everything from enemy AI, animated trees, animal AI, actual buildings that you can enter, items that are individually modeled and have physics, underground areas, etc.
Stop just looking at pretty pictures of both and actually play both.
Thats not saying that Horizon doesnt look great. Its a GREAT looking game, especially on the Pro.
But to pretend that it is on the same level as Witcher 3 is crazy.
Not to mention that Witcher 3 was built with high resolutions in mind, so the textures are sharper that Horizon WITHOUT mods, with better texture filtering.
I cant believe anyone would be arguing.........in good faith..........that Horizon is doing more that Witcher.........like at all.
This is a crazy and obviously biased look at it.
Everything from enemy AI, animated trees, animal AI, actual buildings that you can enter, items that are individually modeled and have physics, underground areas, etc.
Stop just looking at pretty pictures of both and actually play both.
Thats not saying that Horizon doesnt look great. Its a GREAT looking game, especially on the Pro.
But to pretend that it is on the same level as Witcher 3 is crazy.
Not to mention that Witcher 3 was built with high resolutions in mind, so the textures are sharper that Horizon WITHOUT mods, with better texture filtering.
I too have played and enjoy both Horizon: Zero Dawn & Witcher 3 on PC. It never came to my mind comparing the two, there both open-world yes, but totally different games. Witcher 3 on PC vs Console versions is day/night but playing it on PC is very noticeable. Horizon: Zero Dawn on console hardware, I was very impress and the gameplay is fun to me that is.
All in all, I love both of these amazing games and comparing the two is just plain stupid.
Also I didn't know the Thunderjaws lasers can cut down trees in Horizon, I never fight one in a forest so I was surprise it can cut them down lol.
@RyviusARC: first of all, those are modded images.
Second if all, I strongly disagree. I regularly go back and forth between these games and TW3 vanilla on max settings frequently has inferior textures, foliage representation and animation. I love TW3 to death, and will happily defend it as a gorgeous title, especially for an open world game, but unmodded I find HZD more impressive. Add the fact that it's running on a toaster, and... wow
I cant believe anyone would be arguing.........in good faith..........that Horizon is doing more that Witcher.........like at all.
This is a crazy and obviously biased look at it.
Everything from enemy AI, animated trees, animal AI, actual buildings that you can enter, items that are individually modeled and have physics, underground areas, etc.
Stop just looking at pretty pictures of both and actually play both.
Thats not saying that Horizon doesnt look great. Its a GREAT looking game, especially on the Pro.
But to pretend that it is on the same level as Witcher 3 is crazy.
Not to mention that Witcher 3 was built with high resolutions in mind, so the textures are sharper that Horizon WITHOUT mods, with better texture filtering.
WTF?
You're argument doesn't even make sense bud.
That's not even an argument dude, maybe you're the one with biased eyes. Horizon Zero Dawn is on a completely different scale than TW3 in most things out does outside of resolution due to PC power. Only a really really biased person would argue against that.
And, lol I can't believe you said enemy AI and Animal AI, are you delusional? To date HZD probably has the most realistic animal animation and AI seen in a game that's not entirely centered around animals and it's Ironic that they are supposed to be robots.
The Scale of world, action and combat?
Enemy AI?
Animal Animations, character animations?
Animal AI?
Did you know that the animal/enemy AI in HZD actually play with each other and communicate with in a realistic and believable animal like manner? Probably not!
Just stop with the nonsense!
Even the single MAIN horse you ride in the witcher isn't as realistic or animated as well as any random animal you take control of and ride in HZD. ^ above.
Who are you trying to kid here? Certainly not anyone who has played both games!
Your opinion is completely shot because you're trying to make an arguments for WT3 which HZD is CLEARLY superior over the Witcher 3 in and pretty much any unbiased person who has played both games would agree.
"But to pretend that it is on the same level as Witcher 3 is crazy."
For anyone to make the comment in reference to TW3 against HZD is a clear sign of delusion or pent up bias for some reason. To claim that HZD is not on the same leve as TW3 is an insult to everyone's intelligence.
"Stop just looking at pretty pictures of both and actually play both."
lol that's funny coming from you looking at your outlandish comments as if you've never played the game. The best place you're going to make a good argument for TW3 being superior to HZD is in, "pretty pictures" IMO.
The GAMEPLAY or low level/lack there of in TW3 is one of the reasons many SW users vocally are turned of by the game lol but here you seem to trying to praise it over HZD's gameplay....are you serious?
"items that are individually modeled and have physics"
Wait...so you didn't even know HZD had items individually modeled with physics as well? And you're trying to tell other people to play both games? oh BTW since you mentioned it, HZD also has animated trees and underground areas as well since you're clueless about those facts...like lol WTF are you're actually just lying now?
I hope you were just making a troll post and not really making an attempt to fool people with the BS you wrote.
Stop making foolish comments with using ridiculous remarks as if other people haven't played both games.
This is coming from someone who didn't touch HZD until this Black Friday sale and never talked about the game before now because I was soured on open world games after playing The Witcher 3!
@lexxluger: I'm with you. TW3 is a simply gorgeous, but... something tells me I'm gonna be taking screenshots of shitty textures on Ultra this weekend, and people gonna claim it's cherry picked or from a lower setting. And then I'll get a migraine
How anyone can watch the snow morphing tech in the video above and not be impressed is beyond me
@lexxluger: I'm with you. TW3 is a simply gorgeous, but... something tells me I'm gonna be taking screenshots of shitty textures on Ultra this weekend, and people gonna claim it's cherry picked or from a lower setting. And then I'll get a migraine
How anyone can watch the snow morphing tech in the video above and not be impressed is beyond me
Shrug, nonsense xantufrog!
According professional System Wars poster navyguy21 you must be biased...
@navyguy21 said:
This is a crazy and obviously biased look at it...
...to pretend that it is on the same level as Witcher 3 is crazy.
Not to mention that Witcher 3 was built with high resolutions in mind, so the textures are sharper that Horizon WITHOUT mods, ...
Stop "pretending" that HZD does anything better than TW3 Mr. Mod, you need to stop looking at pretty pictures and play the games!
...Of which HZD apparently, according the navyguy21, has worse enemy AI, doesn't animated trees, has worse animal AI (seriously?), doesn't have items that are individually modeled and have physics, and doesn't have underground areas (cauldrons) ...lol!
None of those things exist in HZD...according to trusty navyguy21!
also, apparently neither one of us have played the REAL Witcher 3. It's actually some other worldly thing that can't be compared with other games because it's so surreal!
PS I've seen the terrible spots of texture in TW3 as well (quite jarring for a game praised so highly for gfx by PC fans no less) but then again TW3 has no flaws.
First of all, texture resolution is difficult to show in a youtube video, especially compressed 1080p footage so you're bullshitting there.
Lastly, anybody who says that Horizon has better lighting than Witcher 3 (or really any high end PC title) is blind.
Which of these two images are graphically superior? It took all of five seconds to identify how much better TW3's lighting capabilities are than Horizons. Whether that is limited by the console or engine, I don't know, but the difference is night and day to anybody who knows what they are looking for.
The HZD image looks better (to console players) because it's extensive use of soft lighting, soft geometry, and fake depth of field. Sony and Guerrilla games often do this to their exclusives because it looks pretty and can be passed off as graphical superiority. It's lipstick on a pig though.
Look how much shadow detail there is in the TW3 image. Virtually every branch has a shadow with proper geometry and shading, while interacting with the environment properly (you can see this better on images with water). HZDs shadows are roughly (like really roughly) approximated based on light blooms and tree locations.
The Witcher 3 also renders far more polygons, seen in the vertexes (or lack there of) in the trees and the higher amount of 3D modeled material, in addition to there just being more material in the first place. Argonne Forest in BF1 similarly shows a much more advanced rendering of a forest.
HZD developers do a great job of making a pretty looking game and getting around technical limitations but to any trained eye and most PC gamers can spot the bullshit quickly. Console graphics will never look as good as PC graphics and no amount of bullshots, compressed cherry-picked comparison videos, or photo modes are going to change that.
So believe whatever you want but stop misinforming people. There seem to be a disturbingly high amount of SW users who actually believe Playstations can keep up with high end PC tech.
First of all, texture resolution is difficult to show in a youtube video, especially compressed 1080p footage so you're bullshitting there.
Lastly, anybody who says that Horizon has better lighting than Witcher 3 (or really any high end PC title) is blind.
Which of these two images are graphically superior? It took all of five seconds to identify how much better TW3's lighting capabilities are than Horizons. Whether that is limited by the console or engine, I don't know, but the difference is night and day to anybody who knows what they are looking for.
The HZD image looks better (to console players) because it's extensive use of soft lighting, soft geometry, and fake depth of field. Sony and Guerrilla games often do this to their exclusives because it looks pretty and can be passed off as graphical superiority. It's lipstick on a pig though.
Look how much shadow detail there is in the TW3 image. Virtually every branch has a shadow with proper geometry and shading, while interacting with the environment properly (you can see this better on images with water). HZDs shadows are roughly (like really roughly) approximated based on light blooms and tree locations.
The Witcher 3 also renders far more polygons, seen in the vertexes (or lack there of) in the trees and the higher amount of 3D modeled material, in addition to there just being more material in the first place. Argonne Forest in BF1 similarly shows a much more advanced rendering of a forest.
HZD developers do a great job of making a pretty looking game and getting around technical limitations but to any trained eye and most PC gamers can spot the bullshit quickly. Console graphics will never look as good as PC graphics and no amount of bullshots, compressed cherry-picked comparison videos, or photo modes are going to change that.
So believe whatever you want but stop misinforming people. There seem to be a disturbingly high amount of SW users who actually believe Playstations can keep up with high end PC tech.
1. The Horizon shot looks better to me
2. I've seen both games and Horizon has by far the better lighting model
3. Blah...blah..blah......
believe whatever you want but stop misinforming people. There seem to be a disturbingly high amount of SW users who actually believe that high end PC's can never have a game that looks worse then a console game.
If the selling point of this game is technical graphics, I will have to point out some glaring flaws:
- In the first pic, all three trees use the same destruction mesh and animation which do not even have the correct color and type. They are swapped in regardless of the original models.
- The rock's shadow in the second pic has blatant close-up LOD change that pops, evident of low-res, baked lightmaps.
- If character models were physical, they protagonist's hair and the creature's tail would not simply rotate with the ground slope. Only the string at the end of the weapon responds to gravity. Moreover, the character does not lean back as one would expect a rider does going downhill.
- Lastly, flora does not respond properly to strong wind which blows at a sharp angle. The robots' tails do not interact with the flora at all.
Sorry about the cherry-picking. Real-time sims is part of my profession.
@lexxluger: I'm with you. TW3 is a simply gorgeous, but... something tells me I'm gonna be taking screenshots of shitty textures on Ultra this weekend, and people gonna claim it's cherry picked or from a lower setting. And then I'll get a migraine
How anyone can watch the snow morphing tech in the video above and not be impressed is beyond me
Im ignoring lexx because he is an aggressive cow, but i agree with you.
I know how good Horizon looks, hell i bought a Pro recently......mainly because of Horizon.
Somehow people seem to believe that you have to blindly follow or praise a system.
Thats not what I am about. The Witcher 3 is a technical achievement on ALL platforms
Whether Lexx agrees or not, there are a lot of static elements in Horizon, not to mention that the world is just that.......the world.
@RyviusARC: first of all, those are modded images.
Second if all, I strongly disagree. I regularly go back and forth between these games and TW3 vanilla on max settings frequently has inferior textures, foliage representation and animation. I love TW3 to death, and will happily defend it as a gorgeous title, especially for an open world game, but unmodded I find HZD more impressive. Add the fact that it's running on a toaster, and... wow
I disagree regarding the textures. You'll find examples of very high res textures, and some instances of shitty low res textures in both games. This is easily solved with a texture pack, or increased level of detail mod.
Aloy's interaction with the foliage that does exist in HZD looks better than how Geralt interacts with foliage in TW3. Especially if you're seeing it from above. Where Witcher shines is the sheer variety of foliage, trees, plants, etc, all animated very nicely. This comes down to personal preference though, as HZD pretty much has the exact same patches of tall grass everywhere, and it's the only foliage you can interact with.
Water effects clearly go to the Witcher, as they don't even register Aloy's presence when she walks through them.
Weather effects, especially blowing snow, I would give to HZD.
Also, people need to stop using "photo mode" in HZD for comparison. The game is effectively running at zero fps, and higher image quality than what is actually possible to play the game at.
I do agree HZD is a remarkable technical achievement for the garbage hardware it is running on, no question, and is easily the best looking console game made so far.
@scatteh316: You can also believe in Santa Claus, Fairies, and Unicorns. You can also believe a pig with lipstick is attractive, I'm not taking away your rights or anything. Cows go "mooo" follow the heard and eat Sony's grass, what else is new eh? xD
I own both games and have bought TW3 twice already. I play TW3 fully maxed out on PC on a 4KTV and HZD on a PS4 Pro on a 4KTV. I think HZD looks better overall. It’s not a clear cut win as there are some areas TW3 looks better but if you’re looking for consistency overall HZD comes out on top compared to vanilla TW3.
Where TW3 wins is the fact you can bump up the framerate to 60fps and mod it. Other than that, I think HZD wins especially with this new Frozen Wilds expansion. Both games are visual masterpieces and some of my favorite games ever. GG and CDPR are masters of their craft.
If only Lex put this much effort into his wrestling career he might of became world champion instead of a failure, but hey he's keeping up Lex's legacy LMFAO.
@quadknight: This seems to be pervasive in this thread that HZD "looks better". Where though is it actually technically superior apart from some environmental gimmicks?
Textures, no. Foliage, no. Lighting, certainly NOT even comparable (clear in the image comparison I showed that scatteh fellow),render distance, no, and definitely not in IQ.
HZD can look more attractive with its soft lighting and DoF features but that's the graphical equivalent of lipstick.
@quadknight: This seems to be pervasive in this thread that HZD "looks better". Where though is it actually technically superior apart from some environmental gimmicks?
Textures, no. Foliage, no. Lighting, certainly NOT even comparable (clear in the image comparison I showed that scatteh fellow),render distance, no, and definitely not in IQ.
HZD can look more attractive with its soft lighting and DoF features but that's the graphical equivalent of lipstick.
You need to chill out, it's just opinions. Even your post here is just an opinion and isn't more valid than mine.
HZD looks very impressive and you need to deal with it. DF has already given it their highest commendation and I don't need to go over what makes it impressive because that's been done several times over by them. Just agree to disagree and move on. BTW, your last sentence makes no sense at all.
After reading through this thread, i think people are on different pages when it comes to what they are discussing.
"Graphics", as far as how the game looks to the eye, is subjective and is a matter of preference.
Some people think Horizon looks better, some say Witcher 3.
"Graphics" when it comes to the technical aspects of the game, is a lot less subjective.
Whether its world size, enemy AI, texture resolution, world interactivity, shaders, character models, animations, voice acting/lip sync, world variety, caves/dungeons, etc.
These things are less subjective, but not completely free of it.
Its also hard to have this conversation on THIS board because fanboys will argue for their console regardless of what they REALLY think.
@quadknight: Ok, so it seems like the Cow answer in this thread is "lacking any kind of technical evidence to support my post I'll revert to - it's just like my opinion man." If a Lem said that about Halo you guys would collectively lose your shit lol.
Geometry and lighting accuracy aren't opinions. It's very scientific and there are people who make a living of designing hardware/software to approximate images to real life accuracy.
To me HZD looks like your typical console exclusive. Inaccurate and reduced lighting, too many cinema effects to disguise poorly rendered assets, and really static environments all on top a poor frame rate. Deal with it?
@wizard: Your opinion is worthless to me personally since I can judge both games with my own eyes. I have both Witcher 3 on PC and HZD and Frozen Wilds on PS4 Pro. HZD is a technical marvel from what I can see and my opinion is further strengthened by DF’s glowing commendations for the game.
You’ve probably never played HZD on a Pro and you’re going by YouTube videos and screenshots so your opinion doesn’t carry much weight. I don’t give a shit about what Xbox fanboys say and they don’t have DF backing up their claims about Halo. HZD is an “unmissable tech showcase” according to DF and DF’s opinion destroys yours so you’re just gonna have to deal with it. With that said, you’re still free to have your opinion about HZD being nothing special but bear in mind it’s an unpopular opinion, and doesn’t carry any weight and isn’t a fact by any means.
@quadknight: I think you need some understanding of the word opinion.
I'm not stating which game "looks better" which is a culmination of graphics, image quality, and art style. I'm stating that The Witcher 3 has a more accurate to life rendering capability, which is a fact.
Oh please, nothing in the DF article anoints this game as having graphical superiority over high end PC titles. It praises the art direction, AI, HDR, and animations. Hell it even states that the lighting (while subjectively good) is fake. You're like AMGamer and Tormentos, you're using DF as source for a point of view that they don't support.
"Horizon makes use of pre-calculated global illumination but to make this work with its dynamic time of day system, the engine blends between six different lighting bakes as the day progresses. This is combined with other lighting passes to effectively give the impression of real indirect lighting with moving sunlight. Horizon also uses a multitude of lighting passes in building each scene, starting with emissive or glow lights such as the sky followed by local direct lights such as these torches. This is then followed by the static indirect lighting and sun bounce passes before the sun and sky are rendered. Next are reflections of light across the scenery just before the final texture layer is presented."
I've modded/played games with realistic dynamic sky lighting, and Horizon neither has this nor could it. It would take high-end Maxwell (sometimes even more) level of hardware. Are you telling me that these fake pre-rendered shaders that can't even ray illuminate tree branches properly are better than The Witcher 3!? LMAO.
And this "you haven't played the game blah blah blah" is so childish. Every year a new Sony Exclusive comes out and you Cows are like the Lems, you go nuts over it and anoint it as the second coming of digital Jesus. It happened with Uncharted 4, Killzone, and now Horizon. I go play it and it's the same shit, different coat of lipstick with some nicely added effects (admittedly Horizon at least is fun to play). Until consoles reach high-end Maxwell in architectural capability, the graphical fidelity is going to remain soundly behind PC titles in several areas. FFS, neither console can even properly tessellate.
@quadknight: I think you need some understanding of the word opinion.
I'm not stating which game "looks better" which is a culmination of graphics, image quality, and art style. I'm stating that The Witcher 3 has a more accurate to life rendering capability, which is a fact.
Oh please, nothing in the DF article anoints this game as having graphical superiority over high end PC titles. It praises the art direction, AI, HDR, and animations. Hell it even states that the lighting (while subjectively good) is fake. You're like AMGamer and Tormentos, you're using DF as source for a point of view that they don't support.
"Horizon makes use of pre-calculated global illumination but to make this work with its dynamic time of day system, the engine blends between six different lighting bakes as the day progresses. This is combined with other lighting passes to effectively give the impression of real indirect lighting with moving sunlight. Horizon also uses a multitude of lighting passes in building each scene, starting with emissive or glow lights such as the sky followed by local direct lights such as these torches. This is then followed by the static indirect lighting and sun bounce passes before the sun and sky are rendered. Next are reflections of light across the scenery just before the final texture layer is presented."
I've modded/played games with realistic dynamic sky lighting, and Horizon neither has this nor could it. It would take high-end Maxwell (sometimes even more) level of hardware. Are you telling me that these fake pre-rendered shaders that can't even ray illuminate tree branches properly are better than The Witcher 3!? LMAO.
And this "you haven't played the game blah blah blah" is so childish. Every year a new Sony Exclusive comes out and you Cows are like the Lems, you go nuts over it and anoint it as the second coming of digital Jesus. It happened with Uncharted 4, Killzone, and now Horizon. I go play it and it's the same shit, different coat of lipstick with some nicely added effects (admittedly Horizon at least is fun to play). Until consoles reach high-end Maxwell in architectural capability, the graphical fidelity is going to remain soundly behind PC titles in several areas. FFS, neither console can even properly tessellate.
Dude, you sound butthurt as hell. Digital Foundry praised a Sony exclusive, big deal. They've praised many others.
Just because TW3 is running on PC doesn't mean it has to look better than every console game in existence. There's more to graphics than hardware a game is running on. TW3 is an older game and it's been bested by a newer game. HZD isn't the first console game to look better than a game running on PC and it won't be the last.
TW3 losing the graphics battle in this case to HZD doesn't mean PCs are inferior and it shouldn't be cause for you to be asshurt in this thread. There are other games that will come out in the future that will beat HZD and the cycle will continue. Right now I'm playing the Star Citizen Alpha and it beats the crap out of both TW3 and HZD when it comes to technical graphics. It isn't out yet and when it releases it will take the crown from whatever open world game holding the crown before its release.
You sound like a butthurt hermit. Saying HZD isn't special or is just like another console game doesn't help your argument at all and exposes your insecurity. I'm enjoying both HZD and TW3 at their best and have no reason to be biased to either game since I love them both. HZD looks a bit better but it doesn't change how I feel about TW3 being a technical achievement. You need to settle down and relax. You're not going to change my mind or any other person's mind about HZD being a technical achievement so stop wasting your time.
So with your last paragraph you confirm you haven't played HZD, so you opinion (not even sure you can call it that having not touched the game) is shit and the most dismissable in the conversatio.
Since Digital Foundry, Quadknight, as well as myself have all played both games and come away with the same conclusion but you...pulling a tech analysis from you ass with butthurt and fanboyism as your guide make claims about HZD having 0 frist hand experience of the game want to tell others about lacking evidence to support their opinion?
Coming into this thread making long winded idiotic rants about HZD and admiting to never having played it makes you the most ignorant and hypocritical fanboy to post in this thread, you're "opinion" doesn't even count. Dismissed.
So with your last paragraph you confirm you haven't played HZD, so you opinion (not even sure you can call it that having not touched the game) is shit and the most dismissable in the conversatio.
Since Digital Foundry, Quadknight, as well as myself have all played both games and come away with the same conclusion but you...pulling a tech analysis from you ass with butthurt and fanboyism as your guide make claims about HZD having 0 frist hand experience of the game want to tell others about lacking evidence to support their opinion?
Coming into this thread making long winded idiotic rants about HZD and admiting to never having played it makes you the most ignorant and hypocritical fanboy to post in this thread, you're "opinion" doesn't even count. Dismissed.
The dude is being ridiculous. Comes in here babbling like he's played both games to come up with an opinion, and it turns out he hasn't even played HZD. I on the other hand, have both games right now and have experienced both at their highest settings and he's telling me my opinion doesn't mean anything because he has watched some vids on Youtube lol. This is why I love SW, you can't make this shit up.
Where did I confirm that I haven't played the game...? C'mon, you guys are just throwing shit and hoping it sticks.
Ok, where did DF claim that HZD looks better than TW3? Did you read the article? HZD literally has pre-baked lighting, fake SSIL, fake AO, and fake sky lighting. I'm sorry but if you Cows qualify this game as better than Witcher 3 it's quite evident that you have no idea what you're talking about and instead judge games on how pretty they are. Since DF supports this, and not you...idk stop making shit up?
But I'm a "butthurt hermit" who "only watches youtube videos" and has "opinions" from two Sony fanboys who neither understand graphical technology or the definition of the word opinion. For the record, Youtube compression doesn't effect lighting...like could you guys sound more ignorant about your insults? xD
Also Quadknight owning a gaming PC and playing games (even on ultra) doesn't remotely make you educated on graphics technology or unbias. Any idiot can build a gaming computer nowadays.
Where did I confirm that I haven't played the game...? C'mon, you guys are just throwing shit and hoping it sticks.
Ok, where did DF claim that HZD looks better than TW3? Did you read the article? HZD literally has pre-baked lighting, fake SSIL, fake AO, and fake sky lighting. I'm sorry but if you Cows qualify this game as better than Witcher 3 it's quite evident that you have no idea what you're talking about and instead judge games on how pretty they are. Since DF supports this, and not you...idk stop making shit up?
But I'm a "butthurt hermit" who "only watches youtube videos" and has "opinions" from two Sony fanboys who neither understand graphical technology or the definition of the word opinion. For the record, Youtube compression doesn't effect lighting...like could you guys sound more ignorant about your insults? xD
Also Quadknight owning a gaming PC and playing games (even on ultra) doesn't remotely make you educated on graphics technology or unbias. Any idiot can build a gaming computer nowadays.
Dude, you need to get a grip. Have you played HZD on a PS4 Pro, yes or no? Your whole rant is bullshit and your opinion doesn't carry more weight than anyone's here.
"educated in graphics technology" What does that even mean? Do you work for CDPR or GG? You're talking out of your ass now. You're not a dev so stop trying to sound like one. Even if you were a dev the mere fact you claim HZD is nothing special in the face of DF's glowing commendations completely makes you lose all credibility. You're an asshurt hermit like the other ones on this forum. I'm not claiming to be an authority on graphics but I do know that HZD looks impressive running on my Pro and DF and most sane people agree with me. Your opinion on HZD is like a fart in the wind considering the accolades HZD has gotten for its graphics. Both HZD and TW3 are extremely impressive games graphically and a butthurt hermit's opinion doesn't change this fact.
I'll repeat the OP so you can cry harder. Read it again and weep...
There's the sense that the artists and designers have been unleashed to create one of the most striking open world environments you can experience. Everything from the density per scene, the choice of colour, the fluidity of the animation and volume of assets really impresses here. We've seen a lot of large, open-ended games this year but it's clear that Guerrilla Games stands at the top of the industry with its efforts. Even with the growing sense of open world fatigue, we found that the world and lore was interesting enough to carry us through the game, while the quality of these visuals and the solidity of the presentation is unparalleled. For us, Horizon Zero Dawn is an essential release - and The Frozen Wilds genuinely adds further to the experience.
DF's words not mine. Your opinion is completely shit next to theirs and the overwhelming praise HZD is getting.
@wizard: Now you're being ridiculous. I own Witcher 3 on PC & PS4. I also own Horizon: Zero dawn and I enjoy both of these amazing games respectively. I'll say this, Witcher 3 on PS4 console version vs Zero Dawn, Zero dawn in many ways looks a little better then the Witcher 3 PS4 but I found the combat to be slow compare to Zero Dawn. Now however, Witcher 3 on PC is clearly day/night and the PC version does edges out over Zero Dawn.
Don't compare the graphics, the gameplay is always gonna be something I look into and Zero Dawn's gameplay wise totally stomps over Witcher 3's gameplay, but at the end of the day, I love and had fun playing both Witcher 3 & Horizon Zero Dawn.
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