Divinity: Original Sin 2, The true GOTY of 2017.

Oh yea, I certainty agree a lot of staff of gaming sites are pretty much illiterate when it comes to pc gaming, no excuse for that though, they are getting paid to do a job.

If it's Average Joe i.e. us... totally understandable. Someone where it's their actual job? Hell no, that shit is straight up incompetence.

wasnt expecting a 10, but good for it. Still doesnt change that there is no discussion for goty

I really should play this some time.

Maybe I'll put down Path of Fire for a bit to check this out.

Even though Divinity beat Shadow of Mordor on PC and PC had the best version of Shadow of Mordor.

Besides we're all wrong Shadow of War will be this year's GotY, Divinity 2 and Zelda are not on the PS4 :p

Yeah I know what you mean. When I first started playing DA: Origins, I was close to giving up on the game because of its "too tactical for my taste" combat system. In the end, I gave it a second chance and loved it.

Please, no. With the microtransactions bullshit Shadow of War is pulling, if that game gets GOTY, I might have to put Gamespot on my 2018 shitlist - which means thinking up something to express my in-rage, and right now, I don't have a damn clue.

Im still giving it to zelda but divinty looks great

What didn't you like about Divinity OS 2?

WHAT THE FCK DID I SAY IN THIS THREAD?!!!!!!!!!

Thx Gamespot for confirming what I thought about this game.

ZELDA WHO?????????????????

DOS II is the true GOTY.

And that sweet butthurt...

BTW, DOS II is an INDIE game, don't forget that fact.

An indie getting a 10 is much more worthy of getting GOTY than an old, overrated franchise that got good scores because of nostalgia.

@knight-k: I mean, I am going to enjoy both? :P

I started Divinity last night. Few hardware hiccups I have to resolve but I loved what I played. I made a Wayferer with the tags Jester and Scholar. No idea if this is a good build. I guess I'll find out the hard way. :P Also loved Breath of the Wild. If you actually played the game (I know you said you did. I don't believe you), the game really doesn't induce nostalgia THAT much. It's a very different Zelda game.

Man the gaming community though... Enjoying video games isn't a mutually exclusive thing. You can like both.

P.S. @aigis hated Breath of the Wild. :P No butt-hurt there.

Most likely games to win GOTY:

1. Zelda: Breath of the Wild
2. Super Mario Odyssey
3. Divinity: Original Sin 2
4. PUBG
5. Persona 5

Most likely games to win RPGOTY:

1. Divinity: Original Sin 2
2. Persona 5
3. Horizon: Zero Dawn
4. Nier: Automata
5. Middle-Earth: Shadow of War

@Jag85: Man, this year has been rad.

Zelda BOTW wasn't overrated. It's one of the best open-world games ever made, and it could very fairly win GOTY.

(And this is coming from a Divinity Original Sin 1 & 2 backer, and long-time fan of the series).

@Planeforger: No man. Enjoyment of games is mutually exclusive. You're only allowed to like one game. That's how game of the year works. You like one game and the rest are overrated and incomparable; even if they're in completely different genres. :P

Wow never thought i would see the day when a pc exclusive got a 10 on GS! On another note this gotta be one of the best years for gaming in a looong time! And we still have shadow of war and Mario to come out yet! What a great time to be a gamer:)

Such a great year. :)

The year that just keeps on giving.

Just a friendly reminder that you guys have been owned. Thanks for playing.

Wait, wut? Can you explain what my post has to do with this games scores?

I was just laughing at how incredibly stupid the phrase "real gamers know" is. If I really need to explain that one in detail for you I will, though giving it a moments thought wouldn't hurt bud.

You could have been talking about any games in existence. You could have been in here shilling for BotW and shitting on Divinity 2. I still would have had the same reaction lol.

He is a real gamer though, unlike you. His favorite quest in Breath of the Wild is the one where you collect 80 bundles of wood. That's how real of a gamer he is. ;)

But yeah, real gamer is like...

I mean, how many gamers here go as far as playing table-top, pen/paper RPGs or board games, or study game design? Watch developer and designer interviews?

Real gamer isn't a thing. There is always going to be someone who's even more dedicated. I certainly wouldn't say a real gamer is one that goes about discrediting the successes of other video games and presenting scores as a substitute for an actual opinion just so people will agree with them. That's not what gaming is about to me. :(

lol

Really though, don't care about scores or goty awards. Kinda doubt BotW will even be my personal goty tbh. Just thought "real gamers know" is a really dumb thing to say for a whole variety of reasons.

Also:

@knight-k said:

You do realize you're looking at the "all time" for the PC sub-section right?

Like if your point was to dick wave a Metascore (lol Metacritc) in the face of BotW fans, well, BotW still has a higher score by two points lol. NOT THAT IT EVEN MATTERS. Metascores are a dumb way to argue quality. But you did own yourself with that regardless.

@ConanTheStoner: I wouldn't even say definitively I have a favorite game this year. I loved playing Breath of the Wild, Prey and Specter of Torment. I loved playing them for different reasons, and fortunately I don't have to definitively tell myself which I liked best. I liked them all. Not to mention the other games I liked playing this year.

Scores and game of the year awards; it's not interesting to me. It does grind my gears though when people use this as a metric to diminish the quality of something that I like. Sure, if you want to have a discussion about games or a game, then I'm happy to have that discussion. :)

To me though, scores really aren't a discussion or any form of a quality opinion. It's just a crutch on gaming discussion that continues to get way more focus than it deserves...

What happened to expressing oneself and talking about games? I feel like posting scores as a substitute for an opinion is a little lazy, honestly. :(

@knight-k: You do realize the goty awards haven't been handed out yet XD (3 months left dumbass). 2015 had 3 games that scored a 10, remember which one that got goty (answer: TW3)

@jumpaction:

Preaching to the choir my man, though you already know. We've discussed it so many times haha. But yeah, it's a lazy way to go about things, and pretty childish tbh. Might be fun for some SW rustling, but nothing more. It adds nothing to a discussion, and certainly isn't a reliable metric for discussing quality.

Like BotW has a 97 on Metacritic vs. Divinity 2's 95.... uh oh, does that mean TC is wrong and BotW is better? :O

Of course not. Such a juvenile way to look at it, especially with two games in radically different genres, offering entirely different experiences.

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As for my personal goty, yeah, nothing that stands out well above all others for me either. And like you said, not like we have to choose something definitively.

Right now I've got games like BotW, Nioh, Specter of Torment, Tekken 7, and maybe Marvel Infinite in mind. If Shadow Tactics was released this year, that game too. I'm also sure Divinity 2 and Mario Odyssey will be in that discussion after I play them.

Been a pretty solid year and I'm sure Divinity 2 is great. Only reason I haven't picked it up yet is because I have other CRPGs to finish up first, but I look forward to it.

@ConanTheStoner: I feel like the rate at which it annoys me is getting higher and higher, because it does genuinely detract from having fun and engaging conversations about this past time. Instead, we're getting pretty low-brow retorts about nearly nothing. There's simply no value or information in these scores. It represents nothing concrete. Oh well. It's not like it is ever going to change but even if it sadly makes discussions about this hobby genuinely boring. :(

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I am really sour that I don't have a PS4 to play Nioh. It looks great! Tekken 7, among others are also still on my to-play list. I don't even feel like it's fair choosing a favorite game when there are so many I am curious about but haven't had the time to try yet. :P

I haven't played much of Divinity: Original Sin 2 yet, maybe about 2-3 hours? I have enjoyed what I played so far. Give it a try when your backlog clears up.

@jumpaction:

Yeah, I can't exactly recommend you get a PS4 either. Between your PC, Xbox1, and Switch you're already loaded. Personally the PS4 has really just been Bloodborne and Nioh for me. Maybe you'd find more to enjoy on it, but for me it's been those two great games and not much of anything else.

Did you ever get those issues sorted with Divinity 2?

@ConanTheStoner: I am already fairly loaded and getting plenty of play time with my PC and Switch. I am hoping that some of the 3rd party titles on PS4 like Yakuza and Nioh see a port in the future, though I have plenty of other games to play regardless. Still, hearing yourself and Champ talk so positively about titles like Nioh, makes me really intrigued to play it.

I did resolve the issue with Divinity 2! So last night, i uninstalled the game and reinstalled it but that had no effect. I tried running the game on lowest default settings, nothing. I recognized that the stutter only occurred when I moved the mouse. Cup suggested that it may be an issue with the mouse polling rate. I decided to send a ticket to support, but only after did I discover the problem! The issue was that a mod manager I was using to fix the resolution issue with Nier Automata was interfering with Divinity 2. I disabled it and the game worked perfectly. Sent a follow up to Larian support to let them know my ticket can be ignored.

Never said that it wouldnt get good scores, just that it wont get goty. I would like to be wrong, but there is still a very very small, pretty much non-existent, chance that it will happen.

@knight-k said:

Just a friendly reminder that you guys have been owned. Thanks for playing.

@drlostrib said:

Not if you go by GS math

Go look at GS GOTY 2014

Both Zelda and Divinity OS 2 are awesome and some of the best games of all time, no need to keep arguing between them. I'm sure Super Mario Odyssey will be up there as well. I'm just appreciating how awesome this year has been, might have several new games in my top 10 of all time.

I'd even say Divinity OS 2 is the best RPG since Baldur's Gate II.

shyt , I missed the party ...

GOTY of 2017 indeed

I was only joking about Shadow of War and I seriously hope I'm more wrong that a cat in a tutu. :)

GOTY predictions:

Nintendo GOTY - Zelda: Breath of the Wild

PlayStation GOTY - Persona 5

Xbox GOTY - PUBG

PC GOTY - Divinity 2

Overall GOTY - Zelda: Breath of the Wild

I know your were joking, but that doesn't mean there is no possibility of that joke becoming reality. No matter how disgusting and horrifying that possibility might be.

Somewhere on the way to 130 employees you lose the right to claim indie-ness.

It is one of the most likely GOTY winners, if not the most likely, GS often likes to play with controversy for GOTY, and a PC kickstarter game would be a lot more interesting (and generate more hits) than Zelda would.

Truth. :P

But seriously though, I highly respect both Zelda and Divinity OS2. Both games know what it means to be fun. Player agency, player expression are the cornerstones in both of these games. Whenever a game like this is made, it should be encouraged, and celebrated.

Both of those games are my 2 favorites this year.

"Shadow of War has microtransactions, but it's optional and never gets in the way of gameplay"

Someone, somewhere, will spout this line.

And here I was thinking Shadow of War could be a potential GOTY contender.

That could be a possibility.

cRPG aren't really my thing...but i was a huge Pillars of Eternity fan...that game got me from the very beginning and i had a lot of fun with it...so i was eager to get Tyranny however due to a lack of free time i decided to wait a little.

What did i enjoy about PoE? The dark fantasy setting was so well crafted, the characters were compelling, the plot was ok, nothing amazing but pretty ok...the battles were a little bit frustrating at times...but not bad either. And the sidequest and choices were incredible.

So...my question is...should i avoid Tyranny and get Original Sin 2??? will i enjoy it since like i said...i'm not really into this kind of games? (then again i loved PoE)

Hope you can give me a hand here guys.

@kozio said:

@knight-k said:

BTW, DOS II is an INDIE game, don't forget that fact.

An indie getting a 10 is much more worthy of getting GOTY than an old, overrated franchise that got good scores because of nostalgia.

Somewhere on the way to 130 employees you lose the right to claim indie-ness.

Indie = independent from any publisher. So yes they're as Indie as indie can be. Amount of employees does not matter. You could argue they're a "big" indie studio yes.

@knight-k said:

@kozio said:

@knight-k said:

BTW, DOS II is an INDIE game, don't forget that fact.

An indie getting a 10 is much more worthy of getting GOTY than an old, overrated franchise that got good scores because of nostalgia.

Somewhere on the way to 130 employees you lose the right to claim indie-ness.

Indie = independent from any publisher. So yes they're as Indie as indie can be. Amount of employees does not matter. You could argue they're a "big" indie studio yes.

Development ? They're not indie.

Funding ? People tend to miss the difference between selfpublishing and overall publishing.

Conclusion: Mid-Tier game

Call me the day Gamespot will give never seen before indie game a 10/10.

dunno why you guys keep comparing Zelda BOTW to DOS2 , let's do it with that weeb dating simulator .... what was it called ?! ... oh yeah P5

:p

Naw, it just seems to come down to a popularity contest. Zelda was heavily covered after launch to death and I dont see the same for divinity. Unfortunately Zelda probably has this one in the bag

Yeah, it is stupid, the only real similarities between them are

1. Both are fantasy.
2. Both let the player bend the rules and outsmart the game.
3. Both are top tier games.

That weeb dating simulator, P5. I pretty much forgot its entire existence. Maybe the others did too, which is probably why people use the actually memorable game to compare divinity to.

I have seen plenty of coverage for divinity on this site now.

"How divinity made me fall in love with RPGs again"

@Maroxad: not to the level of BotW lets be real

@kozio said:

@knight-k said:

@kozio said:

@knight-k said:

BTW, DOS II is an INDIE game, don't forget that fact.

An indie getting a 10 is much more worthy of getting GOTY than an old, overrated franchise that got good scores because of nostalgia.

Somewhere on the way to 130 employees you lose the right to claim indie-ness.

Indie = independent from any publisher. So yes they're as Indie as indie can be. Amount of employees does not matter. You could argue they're a "big" indie studio yes.

Development ? They're not indie.

Funding ? People tend to miss the difference between selfpublishing and overall publishing.

Conclusion: Mid-Tier game

Call me the day Gamespot will give never seen before indie game a 10/10.

Cloud Imperium Games are an indie developer even though they have 5 studios and over 400 employees.

In case you're wondering who C.I.G. are, they're making Star Citizen.

@kozio: Number of employees has ZERO to do with whether or not a dev is "indie" or not. The term has been around since the inception of record and film companies.

Na. Not even 10% of Destiny 2's coverage which has made up the majority of the pages for the last month. Heck, 5%, 10% is is probably being generous.

Pretty grand canyon sized disparity when it comes to games coverage all the way back to when Baldurs Gate lost the cover page of Pc Gamer in favor of a sponsored basketball game.

Not saying it will directly influence the decision of GOTY, but it 100% will. Most of us have pretty much outright said is Zelda with no doubt of anything otherwise beyond Mario.