Do companies like Alienware know what image they're making for PC gaming?

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#101 starjet905
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="starjet905"] I dare you to answer this: Would the piracy rate of PS3 games be any less than PC if the PS3 was an open platform like PC with little to no security? Stop acting like console gamers are some saints.

Does that actually matter? The publishers care about copies sold, not the motivation for doing so.

Of course it doesn't matter to publishers. But so far, it hasn't been much of a problem for me as I'm able to play most of the games I want straight on my PC. :D Anyway, that wasn't my point. Console fanboys just talk as if they're saints, and I just wanted to show that that's not how it is.
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#102 NoodleFighter
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[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Nothing wrong with Alienware stuff... if you are rich and lazy I guess.

Alienware stuff is expensive as hell, but I don't think people's image of gaming PC's would change. Even if you built that $2000 PC yourself, it would still be over $1000 with what it contains (dual 6870's, and all the other stuff), and if you want the best price you'd have to build it yourself. Plus building a PC isn't something you just go out and "do" instantly, like picking out a console or a prebuilt one.

You have to know where everything goes, you have to know which parts are compatible (a card that uses 2 slots won't go on a motherboard with no more room but a 1 slot card), you have to know which parts are the best bang for your buck (deciding whether to SLI cheaper cards or get a single good card), and in the end the PC community isn't the best community.

You guys on SW might not know this, but they pretty much have their own SW going on, like a Hermit civil war. Go ask what GPU you should buy on a forum and if you're lucky (or unlucky) you'll be witness to a company war between Nvidia fanboys, AMD fanboys and the occasional Intel fanboy arguing about how wrong they all are in the parts they choose to help you with, while everyone's changing standards mean you could be offered a 280 to game cheaper at decent settings, and someone else will laugh at you when you have them proofread your list and make it pricier (this all might be a TAD exaggerated, but it was my experience my first time building a PC).

But yeah, getting into PC gaming with Alienware is pricey but expensive. If you want to save cash, you need time, and a lot of people don't have time, though I guess time is money, so either way you have to make a significant investment. Sadly that's the image, game with pretty games and some freedom and customization, but at quite a cost. But its one I made, and I think there are a few rare places in the world that are actually helpful and not money hungry, but good job finding one of those places hidden behind a huge CompUSA.

SPYDER0416

when will alienware and other companies realize that if they start expanding their business, make gaming PCs for much lower prices prices and get get rid of the unnecessary crap and focus on whats really important for a dedicated Gaming PC like the GRAPHICS CARD they'd have much bigger business. Whats better? selling $1.4k+ PCs to a few people or selling $1.4k+ PCs to a few people AND sell several PCs under that price range.

The problem is that they don't have a ton of competition.

Alienware is a big name company, they've got a lot of marketing and the public isn't going to know the difference between a GTX 260 and a GTX 580 or the price of every card and innard in a PC, so they'll buy Alienware as its pre made and promises high end gaming, so they advertise pre made gaming PC's, have tons of ads and sponsors, and if someone is just getting into gaming PC's, they'll probably go with Alienware. Heck, I see ads for them all the time on magazines that are supposedly meant for PC enthusiasts, so someone picking up a magazine like that will think "man, these are pricey, but at that price the gaming must be AMAZING".

From a business standpoint, they all wouldn't be selling at that price if they didn't make profit. They sell pricey PC's, people buy them, and its why they're so pricey. Anyone willing to look cheaper will just build their own, so they can sell at that price.

Perhaps their competition will be the AMD APUs, when everyone and even grandma can't start doing modern gaming on even a laptop, no one will really fork over $2k for an alienware PC if the PC they already have can game.

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#103 superclocked
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Lol, I know a guy that will still only buy Alienware PC's. I tried to tell him how much better it would be if he built it himself, or had someone like me build it for him, but he won't listen. He just wants that Alienware logo on his PC I guess. I even said that I would pick out parts with lifetime warranties...
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#104 jun_aka_pekto
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I don't see anything wrong with it. For those here, we're probably all techies in some form. Not all people are cut out for assembling their own PCs. Same with cars. Not everyone wants to get dirty changing the oil in their car. Some people can't even be bothered to wash their own car. They go to an automated carwash.

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#105 exiledsnake
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And that's another thing that blows my mind. It's so easy to build a PC that dare I say it's a basic skill.

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Cooking is a basic skill and we pay exorbitant amounts for food in fancy restaurants. These PCs are aimed at the casuals anyway.
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#106 NoodleFighter
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[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

And that's another thing that blows my mind. It's so easy to build a PC that dare I say it's a basic skill.

exiledsnake

Cooking is a basic skill and we pay exorbitant amounts for food in fancy restaurants. These PCs are aimed at the casuals anyway.

At stupidly high prices, Alienware is part of the reason you see people blurt crap like you need a $2k PC for PC GAMING~~~

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#107 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

I could say PS3 gamers pirate aswell but whatever you just came in here to call all PC gamers pirates, you don't care about logic. All you care about is trolling.

starjet905

You have a point to some extent but the % of PS3 gamers that pirate doesn't even register on the scale compared to the % of PC gamers that do it.

Not hating, just putting things into perspective.

I dare you to answer this: Would the piracy rate of PS3 games be any less than PC if the PS3 was an open platform like PC with little to no security? Stop acting like console gamers are some saints.

Sarcasm?

Who said anything about console gamers being saints? :|

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#108 JohnF111
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They are like takeaways, overpriced and not the best quality yet very easy to reproduce at home with a few basic ingredients, PC building is not a master class skill, it's very basic. I like buying stir fry from my local Chinese but once i made them at home i realized it's half the price and i can personalize it to my own taste.
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#109 glez13
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No, No, NO!

Alienware is the standard for PC. Are we forgetting this?

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/26732916/the-price-of-all-3-consoles-and-1-pc.-and-the-winner-is

All those "Custom PCs" would choke in a game like Oblivion!

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#110 NoodleFighter
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They are like takeaways, overpriced and not the best quality yet very easy to reproduce at home with a few basic ingredients, PC building is not a master class skill, it's very basic. I like buying stir fry from my local Chinese but once i made them at home i realized it's half the price and i can personalize it to my own taste.JohnF111

Same but a lot of people think you need to have some masters degree in computer technology to know how to build one. My family members were praising me like I was some gifted child for knowing how to build a computer.

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#111 Caseytappy
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As far as Alienware, they suck.

I'll let you guys in on a cheap way to get a gaming rig.

Go on Newegg and look for their pre-built "gaming PC's" should cost around $500.

Drop in a $100 video card and you are done.

LazySloth718

Lulz ,

A $500,- system upgraded with a lousy $ 100,- videocard doesn't magicly make it a gaming rig !

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#112 Jane_22
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I never bought Alienware pc and never will, dont know why pc gamers need this.

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#113 Hexagon_777
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I stay away from Alienware, but if people have enough money to buy Macs, then they should have enough money to buy Alienware computers, especially since the latter are still more value for money.
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#114 clone01
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I like how most people in this thread are concerned with how other people spend their money.

If someone wants Alienware, let them buy it.

Kickinurass

Exactly. Its a consumer's choice.

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#115 fadersdream
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I'm amazed at all the Presumption of others in Hermit Wars posts. But I appreciate when you turn on yourselves.

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#116 Hexagon_777
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Why is CyberPower in the opening post anyway? I thought they were far better than Alienware.
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#117 HavocV3
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I love it when people claim Alienware PCs are the most powerful.

it's the same **** **** you can buy on Newegg:|

you're paying 2x as much for them to build it for you. the extras that you get are their cases and the LEDs on it. I think the cases are ugly anyways and it's pretty much irrelevant to the gaming experience.

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#118 PurpleMan5000
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The Alienware prices (and all prices for custom PC builders) are very high in comparison to building your own PC. I'm not sure if I would go as far as calling them ripoffs, though. PC gaming is a niche market, and gaming PC's are expensive. In order to support a company that caters to an expensive niche market, goods must be sold at a high premium. You guys need to keep in mind that a company has to not only make a profit against the cost of the parts in the PC, but also the wages and the cost of the manufacturing. Alienware sells a quality product. Their PC's do not give good bang for the buck, but they are certainly well made and are capable of maxing out PC games.
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#119 razgriz_101
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They are like takeaways, overpriced and not the best quality yet very easy to reproduce at home with a few basic ingredients, PC building is not a master class skill, it's very basic. I like buying stir fry from my local Chinese but once i made them at home i realized it's half the price and i can personalize it to my own taste.JohnF111

but then you've got that age old situation of your drunk and you would probably set yourself on fire :P or if your like me and generally can only work a microwave and the stuff that has step by step how to cook stuff :(

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#120 MlauTheDaft
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Alienware sells PCs for consolites.

Are those Cyberpower rigs meant to put things into perspective? Becuse they suck.

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#121 starjet905
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[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

As far as Alienware, they suck.

I'll let you guys in on a cheap way to get a gaming rig.

Go on Newegg and look for their pre-built "gaming PC's" should cost around $500.

Drop in a $100 video card and you are done.

Caseytappy

Lulz ,

A $500,- system upgraded with a lousy $ 100,- videocard doesn't magicly make it a gaming rig !

Actually it does. Most $100 GPUs today perform better than consoles, at least.
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#122 flashn00b
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I think Dell are unaware of how bad they're making PC gaming look, though I think the main reason why Alienware PCs cost so much is that Dell loves their bloatware.

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#123 Hexagon_777
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K, so Alienware and CyberPower seemingly have bad reputations. What about these guys? OverclockersPC SpecialistYoYo Tech
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#124 YoshiYogurt
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My cyberpower was a gift from my Dad and it was overpriced as hell. Those alienwares will make any bank account cringe.
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#125 SaintWalrus
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I bought an ALIEN ware MX14 for $612 and free shipping.

that's pretty DARN good for a powerful gaming laptop.

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#126 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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It's not even hard to build a computer, I did it earlier this year with no prior knowledge.
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#127 katana_duo
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If you buy an alienware PC you are wasting your money. It's highway robbery. You can build a far more powerful PC for faaar less than what these clowns go for.
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#128 Lionheart08
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I'm interested in eventually getting a gaming rig. Mostly for games like Dragon Age, Left 4 Dead, and Skyrim. I'll probably end up getting a custom rig from Newegg to start off with and upgrade as I need to.

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#129 Iantheone
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[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

As far as Alienware, they suck.

I'll let you guys in on a cheap way to get a gaming rig.

Go on Newegg and look for their pre-built "gaming PC's" should cost around $500.

Drop in a $100 video card and you are done.

Caseytappy

Lulz ,

A $500,- system upgraded with a lousy $ 100,- videocard doesn't magicly make it a gaming rig !

>.> Yes it does
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#130 SUD123456
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Another perspective is that poor people and geeks build their own PCs.

There is no single correct answer here as the marketplace is made up of all sorts of folks with all sorts of different perspectives.

Personally, I find the idea of having to even think about computer parts, let alone ordering and assembling them into a functional machine to be a laughably absurd waste of my time.

On the other hand, I am currently remodelling my basement (framing, electrical, drywall, etc) myself and taking forever to do it, even though I could afford to hire the best contractors to do it in a week.

Different strokes for different folks, and even the same folks have different perspectives depending on what interests them or motivates themabout any particular purchase decision.

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#131 kage_53
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lol....It took them over a $1000 more than the cost of my rig to build one one that is slightly better than what I have. What a joke. If you give me a budget between $1700-$2500 I can build a more powerful PC than the ones Alienware makes.
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#132 DarthBilf
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[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

As far as Alienware, they suck.

I'll let you guys in on a cheap way to get a gaming rig.

Go on Newegg and look for their pre-built "gaming PC's" should cost around $500.

Drop in a $100 video card and you are done.

starjet905

Lulz ,

A $500,- system upgraded with a lousy $ 100,- videocard doesn't magicly make it a gaming rig !

Actually it does. Most $100 GPUs today perform better than consoles, at least.

It had better be able to, considering how cheap consoles are nowadays.
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#133 DigitalExile
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or learn how to

NoodleFighter

Honestly modern PC's are only a couple of steps away from the pre-school toy of "put the square peg in the square hole". If you can figure that toy out then you can figure out how to put a few PC parts together.

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#134 FashionFreak
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Those PCs are waaaaay overpriced. If you go down the list and build an identical machine using newegg/ebay/amazon/whatever and buy each part separately, you'd save $1000-$2000 easily.

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#135 mitu123
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Why be so expensive Alienware?

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#136 klusps
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That's why I never trust anything from Alienware or any pre-built computers. If you actually put time and effort into learning how to build your own computer it would really pay off in the end.

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#137 MlauTheDaft
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Another perspective is that poor people and geeks build their own PCs.

There is no single correct answer here as the marketplace is made up of all sorts of folks with all sorts of different perspectives.

Personally, I find the idea of having to even think about computer parts, let alone ordering and assembling them into a functional machine to be a laughably absurd waste of my time.

On the other hand, I am currently remodelling my basement (framing, electrical, drywall, etc) myself and taking forever to do it, even though I could afford to hire the best contractors to do it in a week.

Different strokes for different folks, and even the same folks have different perspectives depending on what interests them or motivates themabout any particular purchase decision.

SUD123456

Except those Alienwares and Cyberpowers are'nt particularly good.

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#138 Cranler
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lol....It took them over a $1000 more than the cost of my rig to build one one that is slightly better than what I have. What a joke. If you give me a budget between $1700-$2500 I can build a more powerful PC than the ones Alienware makes.kage_53
I just priced out the $2199 Aurora and its $600 more than new egg. Its usually $500-600 more than building yourself with alienware and $200-300 more with places like ibuy power. I would imagine $500 is 2 or 3 days pay for most people buying prebuilts.
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#139 RyviusARC
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[QUOTE="Caseytappy"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

As far as Alienware, they suck.

I'll let you guys in on a cheap way to get a gaming rig.

Go on Newegg and look for their pre-built "gaming PC's" should cost around $500.

Drop in a $100 video card and you are done.

starjet905

Lulz ,

A $500,- system upgraded with a lousy $ 100,- videocard doesn't magicly make it a gaming rig !

Actually it does. Most $100 GPUs today perform better than consoles, at least.

LoL even the lowest end dedicated desktop AMD 6000 series GPU can match consoles and probably exceed it in some ways. 100USD will get you a GPU the performs many times better than consoles.
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#140 wis3boi
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Why be so expensive Alienware?

mitu123
just like transformers, Dell/Alienware is Apple in disguise.
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#141 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Another perspective is that poor people and geeks build their own PCs.

There is no single correct answer here as the marketplace is made up of all sorts of folks with all sorts of different perspectives.

Personally, I find the idea of having to even think about computer parts, let alone ordering and assembling them into a functional machine to be a laughably absurd waste of my time.

On the other hand, I am currently remodelling my basement (framing, electrical, drywall, etc) myself and taking forever to do it, even though I could afford to hire the best contractors to do it in a week.

Different strokes for different folks, and even the same folks have different perspectives depending on what interests them or motivates themabout any particular purchase decision.

MlauTheDaft

Except those Alienwares and Cyberpowers are'nt particularly good.

if the PC market was a roofing business, do it yourself would be cheaper and of higher quality, and hiring a roofer would be twice the price and you'd get a half assed job done