Do people still doubt that 2008 is PS3's year?

I honestly do doubt that this is the year of the PS3. As far as i'm concerned, edging out the competition ever so slightly in the number of games available does not equal "the year of the PS3". To me, 2008 was the year that Sony got their act together and started competing as they should have been doing in the first place.

The lems are just uspet that they got duped into buying a faulty system and having to pay for online every year. Now they're in denial mode.SolidGame_basic

Yeah, we're all so sad that we get to play amazing games and get an equally amazing online service. It breaks my heart. :roll:

The PS3 online is pretty amazing and you have to consider it's totally free!

X360 might have some more features but you gotta pay for em. And PS3 can handle up to 60 players in online with no lagg. That's pretty amazing.

And with MGS4, LBP,R2, naruto ninja storm and lots of other games PS3 had done great this year.

X360 done well too but not as good. I still enjoy playing Fable and will soon enjoy GeOW2 at my friends, but i think that 2008 is PS3 year.

When you set the bar as low as Sony did with the PS3, it's pretty easy to call it "your year".

Wasn't the PS3 supposed to wipe the floor with the 360? Didn't it come out an ENTIRE YEAR later? When was the last time you saw a console come out a YEAR LATER and still only manage to barely keep up in terms of horsepower?

The PS3 is pathetic, from a technical standpoint, even if it might have some good games on it.

The PS3 online is pretty amazing and you have to consider it's totally free!

X360 might have some more features but you gotta pay for em. And PS3 can handle up to 60 players in online with no lagg. That's pretty amazing.

And with MGS4, LBP,R2, naruto ninja storm and lots of other games PS3 had done great this year.

X360 done well too but not as good. I still enjoy playing Fable and will soon enjoy GeOW2 at my friends, but i think that 2008 is PS3 year.

Danieldbest

*facepalm* go play SOCOM, and tell me PSN is 'amazing.' Seriously, go do it.

[QUOTE="Danieldbest"]

The PS3 online is pretty amazing and you have to consider it's totally free!

X360 might have some more features but you gotta pay for em. And PS3 can handle up to 60 players in online with no lagg. That's pretty amazing.

And with MGS4, LBP,R2, naruto ninja storm and lots of other games PS3 had done great this year.

X360 done well too but not as good. I still enjoy playing Fable and will soon enjoy GeOW2 at my friends, but i think that 2008 is PS3 year.

creeping-deth87

*facepalm* go play SOCOM, and tell me PSN is 'amazing.' Seriously, go do it.

Slant Six' servers =/= PSN.

Try again.

[QUOTE="Danieldbest"]

The PS3 online is pretty amazing and you have to consider it's totally free!

X360 might have some more features but you gotta pay for em. And PS3 can handle up to 60 players in online with no lagg. That's pretty amazing.

And with MGS4, LBP,R2, naruto ninja storm and lots of other games PS3 had done great this year.

X360 done well too but not as good. I still enjoy playing Fable and will soon enjoy GeOW2 at my friends, but i think that 2008 is PS3 year.

creeping-deth87

*facepalm* go play SOCOM, and tell me PSN is 'amazing.' Seriously, go do it.

Remember when playing SOCOM was a blast. :(

The PS3 online is pretty amazing and you have to consider it's totally free!

X360 might have some more features but you gotta pay for em. And PS3 can handle up to 60 players in online with no lagg. That's pretty amazing.

And with MGS4, LBP,R2, naruto ninja storm and lots of other games PS3 had done great this year.

X360 done well too but not as good. I still enjoy playing Fable and will soon enjoy GeOW2 at my friends, but i think that 2008 is PS3 year.

Danieldbest

XBL could handle up to 60 players online with no lag. Just because there isnt a game that does it doesnt mean it cant be done. If the PS3 doesnt have a game that has 4 v 4 multiplayer, does that mean PSN can't support it? No.

[QUOTE="creeping-deth87"][QUOTE="Danieldbest"]

The PS3 online is pretty amazing and you have to consider it's totally free!

X360 might have some more features but you gotta pay for em. And PS3 can handle up to 60 players in online with no lagg. That's pretty amazing.

And with MGS4, LBP,R2, naruto ninja storm and lots of other games PS3 had done great this year.

X360 done well too but not as good. I still enjoy playing Fable and will soon enjoy GeOW2 at my friends, but i think that 2008 is PS3 year.

angry_fork

*facepalm* go play SOCOM, and tell me PSN is 'amazing.' Seriously, go do it.

Slant Six' servers =/= PSN.

Try again.

That was a great dodge of my earlier post, very well done.

As for the servers =/= psn, I'm sorry but... SOCOM was a PS3 exclusive designed from the groundup for the PSN as an online-only game. How ANYONE can tell me it can't be judged as a representation for PSN is a little confusing.

[QUOTE="creeping-deth87"][QUOTE="Danieldbest"]

The PS3 online is pretty amazing and you have to consider it's totally free!

X360 might have some more features but you gotta pay for em. And PS3 can handle up to 60 players in online with no lagg. That's pretty amazing.

And with MGS4, LBP,R2, naruto ninja storm and lots of other games PS3 had done great this year.

X360 done well too but not as good. I still enjoy playing Fable and will soon enjoy GeOW2 at my friends, but i think that 2008 is PS3 year.

angry_fork

*facepalm* go play SOCOM, and tell me PSN is 'amazing.' Seriously, go do it.

Slant Six' servers =/= PSN.

Try again.

OWNED

Both had (still a bit to go) a good year IMO, but yeah 2008 = PS3; It would have taken a lot after MGS4 got AAAA.

Look, I understand most of the time in system wars facts are not used but let me integrate some facts into this equation.

I have a PS3, 360 and top of the line computer.

The simple fact is if it comes out for the PC I buy it for that platform over the other two because the games ALWAYS look the best on PC and I prefer the controls.

Most games that come out for the 360 can also be obtained on the PC. I will be waiting for Gears of War 2 for the PC because it will be better and I don't care about Xbox Live. I DID buy Fable 2 for the 360 because I couldn't wait for it to come out on the PC. However, I bought Far Cry 2 AND Fallout 3 for the PC because they are far superior to both the 360 and PS3 versions.

Why would someone like me give a crap about games like Red Alert 3 and Left 4 Dead on the 360 when I have a PC which will be the superior version? Answer that SIMPLE question. When you think about it, most PS3 exclusives (all?) don't come out on the PC while almost all 360 "exclusives" do. So for someone in MY shoes this has most definitely been the year of the PS3 since MGS4, Resistance 2 and LBP won't come out for PC while the best games for the 360 WILL come out for PC or are already out.

That's the only logical viewpoint. If everything is the same and you have ALL three platforms, LOGICALLY, which platform has the most quality games. If you take out objectivity and opinion, which system FACTUALLY has the MOST quality EXCLUSIVE games. Factually. No opinion.

It's the PS3 because most people also have a PC and most top 360 games are out or will be out, even better, on the PC while the only place you can get Sony's first parties is on the PS3.

Xalaten

yes most people have a pc but like 2% of people have a good gameing pc, looks at sales of Gears of War on 360 to pc sales

Look, I understand most of the time in system wars facts are not used but let me integrate some facts into this equation. Posts that begin touting facts almost always end up doing the opposite... but ok.

I have a PS3, 360 and top of the line computer. Ok.

The simple fact is if it comes out for the PC I buy it for that platform over the other two because the games ALWAYS look the best on PC and I prefer the controls. Ok.

Most games that come out for the 360 can also be obtained on the PC. *Sigh, it's already begun. NOT A FACT. I will be waiting for Gears of War 2 for the PC because it will be better and I don't care about Xbox Live. Gears 2 has been announced for the PC ? I DID buy Fable 2 for the 360 because I couldn't wait for it to come out on the PC. However, I bought Far Cry 2 AND Fallout 3 for the PC because they are far superior to both the 360 and PS3 versions.

Why would someone like me give a crap about games like Red Alert 3 and Left 4 Dead on the 360 when I have a PC which will be the superior version? Answer that SIMPLE question. When you think about it, most PS3 exclusives (all?) don't come out on the PC while almost all 360 "exclusives" do Not a fact. So for someone in MY shoes this has most definitely been the year of the PS3 since MGS4, Resistance 2 and LBP won't come out for PC while the best games for the 360 WILL come out for PC *Not a fact* or are already out. Wouldn't that make it the year of the PC for you, then?

That's the only logical viewpoint. If everything is the same and you have ALL three platforms, LOGICALLY, which platform has the most quality games. If you take out objectivity I think you mean subjectivity, but isn't all this subjective to YOU, since not everyone has a fully rigged gaming PC? and opinion, which system FACTUALLY has the MOST quality EXCLUSIVE games. Factually. No opinion. Still the PC, then 360.

It's the PS3 because most people also have a PC not a gaming PC, unless you count freecell and most top 360 games are out or will be out, even better, on the PC while the only place you can get Sony's first parties is on the PS3. Maybe, but who amongst us would not trade some of the lost 1st/2nd parties like ME/Gears for some of the lost 3rd parties like FF/DMC/Tekken?

Xalaten

Mass Effect 2 takes out anything the PS3 comes out with next year, anyway. :DJediRiff

Mass Effect 2 is confirmed for next year? And it definitely isn't coming out on the PS3?

The lems are just uspet that they got duped into buying a faulty system and having to pay for online every year. Now they're in denial mode.SolidGame_basic

Im 28 and i had most systems since my ZXSpectrum128k and buy the 360 day one was my best gaming choise ever! Sorry fanboy

For me it will always be the year of the PS3 because of one BIG reason.

I have a 37 inch LG Scarlet 1080P hdtv in my bedroom and a 42 inch Vizio 1080P hdtv in my living room. The simple fact I can watch beautiful blu ray movies on these TVS in 1080P is worth the price alone. The fact i plays some great games is a bonus.

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

Look, I understand most of the time in system wars facts are not used but let me integrate some facts into this equation.

I have a PS3, 360 and top of the line computer.

The simple fact is if it comes out for the PC I buy it for that platform over the other two because the games ALWAYS look the best on PC and I prefer the controls.

Most games that come out for the 360 can also be obtained on the PC. I will be waiting for Gears of War 2 for the PC because it will be better and I don't care about Xbox Live. I DID buy Fable 2 for the 360 because I couldn't wait for it to come out on the PC. However, I bought Far Cry 2 AND Fallout 3 for the PC because they are far superior to both the 360 and PS3 versions.

Why would someone like me give a crap about games like Red Alert 3 and Left 4 Dead on the 360 when I have a PC which will be the superior version? Answer that SIMPLE question. When you think about it, most PS3 exclusives (all?) don't come out on the PC while almost all 360 "exclusives" do. So for someone in MY shoes this has most definitely been the year of the PS3 since MGS4, Resistance 2 and LBP won't come out for PC while the best games for the 360 WILL come out for PC or are already out.

That's the only logical viewpoint. If everything is the same and you have ALL three platforms, LOGICALLY, which platform has the most quality games. If you take out objectivity and opinion, which system FACTUALLY has the MOST quality EXCLUSIVE games. Factually. No opinion.

It's the PS3 because most people also have a PC and most top 360 games are out or will be out, even better, on the PC while the only place you can get Sony's first parties is on the PS3.

onewiththegame

yes most people have a pc but like 2% of people have a good gameing pc, looks at sales of Gears of War on 360 to pc sales

OK now how about you look at a games sales that came out at the same time instead of one that came out almost a year later.

How about comparing Fallout 3 pc sales with the 360s and keep in mind that only retail box sales count on the pc sales numbers so you had a lot more with copies of downloaded Fallout 3s.

yes most people have a pc but like 2% of people have a good gameing pc, looks at sales of Gears of War on 360 to pc sales

onewiththegame

Dude plenty of people have gaming pc's......more than 2 percent....

1. Gears of War came out later than its console version so people already owned it.
2. Gear of War is a decent at best shooter compared to its PC counterparts
3. Its a port, ports are bad
4. Cliffy B is a Jackass

[QUOTE="SolidGame_basic"]The lems are just uspet that they got duped into buying a faulty system and having to pay for online every year. Now they're in denial mode.PAL360

Im 28 and i had most systems since my ZXSpectrum128k and buy the 360 day one was my best gaming choise ever! Sorry fanboy

anyone with the master chief in their Avatar isn't creditible and is a biased fanboy, especially you...I've seen everything you post

OK now how about you look at a games sales that came out at the same time instead of one that came out almost a year later.

Xalaten

[QUOTE="onewiththegame"]

yes most people have a pc but like 2% of people have a good gameing pc, looks at sales of Gears of War on 360 to pc sales

All_that_is_Man

Dude plenty of people have gaming pc's......more than 2 percent....

1. Gears of War came out later than its console version so people already owned it. And this wouldn't apply to, say, Gears 2?
2. Gear of War is a decent at best shooter compared to its PC counterparts And this wouldn't apply to, say, Gears 2?
3. Its a port, ports are bad And this wouldn't apply to, say, Gears 2?
4. Cliffy B is a Jackass See above.

Red Alert, Left 4 Dead, Last Remnant?

Each arent exclusive but isnt this thread STRICTLY 360 VS PS3?????????????

In that case, those 3 are 08 games on 360 and NOT on PS3. Their reviews have merit.

EDIT: Siren is a PSN game. So then why not count Geometry Wars 2 and Braid and Castle Crashers?

-General_Ram-

Ram you may be a lemming but I applaud you for your effort, never give up!

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="SolidGame_basic"]The lems are just uspet that they got duped into buying a faulty system and having to pay for online every year. Now they're in denial mode.All_that_is_Man

Im 28 and i had most systems since my ZXSpectrum128k and buy the 360 day one was my best gaming choise ever! Sorry fanboy

anyone with the master chief in their Avatar isn't creditible and is a biased fanboy, especially you...I've seen everything you post

Oh...you are right! Master chief is not a hero in a game! Is a mark of MS´s evil....

*changing my avatar from master chief to solid snake*

PS: I loved my PSX and PS2 and this gen i really see no reason to get a PS3!

The year Of The (Insert Favorite System) Are fanboy's Mentalties & there living in there Own World If they think that, majority of PPL Can't Agree On who Had the Best year, PS3 true did Shine a Bit(Hardly) but its pretty Ridicolous TO think otherWise..

Honestly, to the mods, this topic isn't to 'disrupt' anything or whatever, this is just a normal discussion about the caliber of games PS3 and 360 have had this year, and comparing them to find out who 'won', that's it.

With that being said a lot of people kept saying this isn't PS3's year, but I'm asking, do people still deny that now somehow?

Here's the comparison, i'm not going to mention which games 'flopped' or not, i'll just list the scores. If i'm wrong someone correct me thanks.

PS3 has: (i'm talking about exclusives by the way for both systems)
AAAA - 1: MGS4
AAA - 1: Little Big Planet (with potentially one more if Resistance 2 gets a 9)
AA - 1: Motorstorm 2 (MLB 08 not exclusive) (Naruto and Valkyria Chronicles also AA possibilities, scores pending)
A - 1: Siren, GT: Prologue
Less then A - 1: Socom: Confrontation

360 has:
AAAA - 0
AAA - 1: Gears 2 (with potentially one more if Banjo gets a 9)
AA - 4: Tales of Vesperia, Ninja Gaiden 2, Viva Pinata 2, Fable 2
A - 1: Lost Odyssey
Less then A - 2: Too Human, Infinite Undiscovery

Can we finally agree that PS3 wins 2008?

angry_fork

Lol no. It still has more quality games.. Banjo is around the corner, the gap will be static throughout the year. But you can still claim its the year of the PS3, 2008 is what 2006/2007 should have been.

2008 so far has been a good year for sony

Would of been better if people in the media were not biased towards the 360

PROOF to my claim: Metacrtic has been caught taking 1up's score of gear 2(A) and turning it into 100% and they have been caught taking a magazine(Variety) that didn't even have a score for LBP and gave it 80%

2008 so far has been a good year for sony

Would of been better if people in the media were not biased towards the 360

PROOF to my claim: Metacrtic has been caught taking 1up's score of gear 2(A) and turning it into 100% and they have been caught taking a magazine(Variety) that didn't even have a score for LBP and gave it 80%

skiddy666

As usual, its the world against Sony. Poor them.

[QUOTE="skiddy666"]

2008 so far has been a good year for sony

Would of been better if people in the media were not biased towards the 360

PROOF to my claim: Metacrtic has been caught taking 1up's score of gear 2(A) and turning it into 100% and they have been caught taking a magazine(Variety) that didn't even have a score for LBP and gave it 80%

-DrRobotnik-

As usual, its the world against Sony. Poor them.

I thought that 100% meant (A+). You remember (A+)? it meant you scored perfect. There's nothing wrong with that, but when Gears of War 2 gets 100% for (A) and Resistance 2 can't even reach 85% for (B+)...

metacritic's bias is showing

Fork - you forgot to put 360 Fallout 3 exclusive AAA :)

and lol at having the use pending scores to fluff the PS3 side. this is definitely not the year of the PS3

Lol year of the PS3? Thats laughanle really.More flops,more inferior multiplats and ports and Mediocre Gear Solid fluking a 10.Jeez cows standards are gettibg lower and lower.

Better luck next year,or the next,or the year after that. ;)

P.S I like the way you've twisted and made up the rules as you went along,to support your precious PS3.

To consider it "the year of the PS3", it would have to be a completly one-sided blow out in sales and quality. The very fact that people are arguing small points like number of A-AA's or .5 metacritic averages shows how close and interchangable both the 360/PS3 really are.

Fork - you forgot to put 360 Fallout 3 exclusive AAA :)

and lol at having the use pending scores to fluff the PS3 side. this is definitely not the year of the PS3

3picuri3

I put pending score for Banjo too =/. Fallout 3 isn't exclusive.

Lol year of the PS3? Thats laughanle really.More flops,more inferior multiplats and ports and Mediocre Gear Solid fluking a 10.Jeez cows standards are gettibg lower and lower.

Better luck next year,or the next,or the year after that. ;)

P.S I like the way you've twisted and made up the rules as you went along,to support your precious PS3.

GabeNewellsPie

Not even gonna bother with that post.

To consider it "the year of the PS3", it would have to be a completly one-sided blow out in sales and quality. The very fact that people are arguing small points like number of A-AA's or .5 metacritic averages shows how close and interchangable both the 360/PS3 really are.

gensigns

Winning is winning, doesn't matter by how much, period. I didn't say PS3 "blew out" the competition/360, I said PS3 won 2008, people keep putting words in my mouth to try to make their argument more valid.

Honestly, to the mods, this topic isn't to 'disrupt' anything or whatever, this is just a normal discussion about the caliber of games PS3 and 360 have had this year, and comparing them to find out who 'won', that's it.

With that being said a lot of people kept saying this isn't PS3's year, but I'm asking, do people still deny that now somehow?

Here's the comparison, i'm not going to mention which games 'flopped' or not, i'll just list the scores. If i'm wrong someone correct me thanks.

PS3 has: (i'm talking about exclusives by the way for both systems)
AAAA - 1: MGS4
AAA - 1: Little Big Planet (with potentially one more if Resistance 2 gets a 9)
AA - 1: Motorstorm 2 (MLB 08 not exclusive) (Naruto and Valkyria Chronicles also AA possibilities, scores pending)
A - 1: Siren, GT: Prologue
Less then A - 1: Socom: Confrontation

360 has:
AAAA - 0
AAA - 1: Gears 2 (with potentially one more if Banjo gets a 9)
AA - 4: Tales of Vesperia, Ninja Gaiden 2, Viva Pinata 2, Fable 2
A - 1: Lost Odyssey
Less then A - 2: Too Human, Infinite Undiscovery

Can we finally agree that PS3 wins 2008?

angry_fork

yes because PS3 has gotten the first and probaly ONLY AAAAE game MGS4 and 360 being out for so long has failed to do that. the only chance it had was Gears 2 and that failed

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="skiddy666"]

2008 so far has been a good year for sony

Would of been better if people in the media were not biased towards the 360

PROOF to my claim: Metacrtic has been caught taking 1up's score of gear 2(A) and turning it into 100% and they have been caught taking a magazine(Variety) that didn't even have a score for LBP and gave it 80%

skiddy666

As usual, its the world against Sony. Poor them.

I thought that 100% meant (A+). You remember (A+)? it meant you scored perfect. There's nothing wrong with that, but when Gears of War 2 gets 100% for (A) and Resistance 2 can't even reach 85% for (B+)...

metacritic's bias is showing

P.S I like the way you've twisted and made up the rules as you went along,to support your precious PS3.

GabeNewellsPie

It was expected.

Cows never thought Sony would lose this much marketshare this gen

[QUOTE="skiddy666"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="skiddy666"]

2008 so far has been a good year for sony

Would of been better if people in the media were not biased towards the 360

PROOF to my claim: Metacrtic has been caught taking 1up's score of gear 2(A) and turning it into 100% and they have been caught taking a magazine(Variety) that didn't even have a score for LBP and gave it 80%

diped

As usual, its the world against Sony. Poor them.

I thought that 100% meant (A+). You remember (A+)? it meant you scored perfect. There's nothing wrong with that, but when Gears of War 2 gets 100% for (A) and Resistance 2 can't even reach 85% for (B+)...

metacritic's bias is showing

Im just putting together the evidence that was handed to me. A does not = to 100% PERIOD.

variety didn't have a score for LBP so metacritic made it up.....these are all facts. Can you dispute that they screwed up or are biased?

Hot Shots Golf is an AE.Jack_Bauer07

Forgot about that but lmao @ only 1 person bringing it up.

[QUOTE="JediRiff"]Mass Effect 2 takes out anything the PS3 comes out with next year, anyway. :DSilverbond

Mass Effect 2 is confirmed for next year? And it definitely isn't coming out on the PS3?

Pretty much yes. Pretty much no.

Biowares CEO said something about Mass Effect 2 coming out next year at E3, and Bioware devs have repeatedly stated the game will not come out on the PS3 on their forums. I also hope they start treating other games on the 360 like they are Gears 2.... and keep it off the PC.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

[QUOTE="JediRiff"]Mass Effect 2 takes out anything the PS3 comes out with next year, anyway. :DJediRiff

Mass Effect 2 is confirmed for next year? And it definitely isn't coming out on the PS3?

Pretty much yes. Pretty much no.

Biowares CEO said something about Mass Effect 2 coming out next year at E3, and Bioware devs have repeatedly stated the game will not come out on the PS3 on their forums. I also hope they start treating other games on the 360 like they are Gears 2.... and keep it off the PC.

link

Look, I understand most of the time in system wars facts are not used but let me integrate some facts into this equation.

I have a PS3, 360 and top of the line computer.

The simple fact is if it comes out for the PC I buy it for that platform over the other two because the games ALWAYS look the best on PC and I prefer the controls.These are "facts" based on your opinions and preferences and can change with different people.

Most games that come out for the 360 can also be obtained on the PC. Yet, even when you throw these games out of the equation the 360 still has a greater number of A-AAAA games than the PS3. I will be waiting for Gears of War 2 for the PC because it will be better and I don't care about Xbox Live. Until it happens its a 360 exclusive, and it has been stated to not be coming to PC. I DID buy Fable 2 for the 360 because I couldn't wait for it to come out on the PC. However, I bought Far Cry 2 AND Fallout 3 for the PC because they are far superior to both the 360 and PS3 versions.

Why would someone like me give a crap about games like Red Alert 3 and Left 4 Dead on the 360 when I have a PC which will be the superior version? And people with top of the line PC's are in the EXTREME minority. Answer that SIMPLE question. There are FAR more people picking between the two consoles then there are with high end PC's. When you think about it, most PS3 exclusives (all?) don't come out on the PC while almost all 360 "exclusives" do. Yet 360 only exclusives still outnumber PS3 ones even when you DON'T add in 360/PC mulitplats. So for someone in MY shoes this has most definitely been the year of the PS3 since MGS4, Resistance 2 and LBP won't come out for PC while the best games for the 360 WILL come out for PC or are already out. For the THIRD time, the 360 quality exclusives STILL outnumber PS3 ones. Only if you choose to throw out 360 games that MAY come out on PC even when stated that they aren't. As it stands, in 2008 those games are not on another platform other than the 360. We'll be in 2009 and beyond before most of them MAY end up on PC...you could only retroactively give the PS3 2008, but until people develop time travel and start buying games 12-18 months in the past, the argument is stupid.

That's the only logical viewpoint. If everything is the same and you have ALL three platforms, LOGICALLY, which platform has the most quality games. If you take out objectivity and opinion, which system FACTUALLY has the MOST quality EXCLUSIVE games. Factually. No opinion. Great, so the 5% of people with a 360, a PS3, AND a high end PC will have a different logical viewpoint from the overwhelming majority of gamers who don't fit in that category. It may be true, but it isn't applicable to most people. It would be like me framing my argument "If everything else is the same, and you ONLY own a 360, and no access to purchase a PS3 or PC the 360 wins hands down....it is a true statement but useless to the 99.999999% of people that criteria doesn't apply to.

It's the PS3 because most people also have a PC(a PC, or a PC capable of outperforming these consoles? While most have a PC, most don't have a PC capable of running games above and beyond current gen console levels.) and most top 360 games are out or will be out, even better, on the PC while the only place you can get Sony's first parties is on the PS3. Yet, for the 4th time, 360 only exclusives STILL outnumber PS3 exclusives, rendering your entire argument moot. Throw in all the PC/360 multiplats and the PS3 position drops precipitiously.

PC- PC exclusives, PC/360 multiplats

360- 360 exclusives, PC/360 multiplats, 360/PS3 multiplats

PS3- PS3 exclusives, 360/PS3 multiplats

Since you go with the "better" platform we could revise it to this...

PC- PC exclusives, PC/360 multiplats

360- 360 exclusives, 360/PS3 multiplats

PS3- PS3 exclusives

The PS3 still comes up on the short end of the stick

Xalaten

yes i do doubt that it is the ps3's year. but we wont know until january at least. amd this is based on gamespot scores which imo arnt some of the best reviews out there. (no offense anyone) gears of war 2 is one of those games that will cause people to buy a 360 (like halo 3) and judging from fallout 3 and mirrors edge the 360 is still beating the ps3's "superior cells etc,etc"

yes i do doubt that it is the ps3's year. but we wont know until january at least. amd this is based on gamespot scores which imo arnt some of the best reviews out there. (no offense anyone) gears of war 2 is one of those games that will cause people to buy a 360 (like halo 3) and judging from fallout 3 and mirrors edge the 360 is still beating the ps3's "superior cells etc,etc"

guitarsrock4eva

and mirror's edge was lead on PS3 - some cows will never admit the obvious bottlenecks in their systems. this gen will be over and people will still be pining about the 'lost potential' and how 'nobody ever truly used the power of the PS3'. nobody ever will because you'd need a magician to make the memory bottleneck disappear, heh.