do u think RRoD will affect Sales of the next Xbox?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="REBEL2100x"]

If you dont believe me,here. And for me? I had to exchange my boc 3 times because of the RROD. Theres a couple of links but im lazy to find more

http://www.ripten.com/2007/07/03/failure-rate-xbox-360-high-as-33-sony-ps3-less-than-1/

http://www.slashgear.com/chalk-one-up-for-sony-ps3-failure-rate-less-than-1-056079.php

blue_hazy_basic

"Retailers estimate" Where? Hmm. I estimate that WW3 will start in exactly 3 . . . 2 . . . :roll: Very credible numbers from a site with a lot of credibility.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS281US282&q=360+failure+rate+16%25

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="REBEL2100x"]

If you dont believe me,here. And for me? I had to exchange my boc 3 times because of the RROD. Theres a couple of links but im lazy to find more

http://www.ripten.com/2007/07/03/failure-rate-xbox-360-high-as-33-sony-ps3-less-than-1/

http://www.slashgear.com/chalk-one-up-for-sony-ps3-failure-rate-less-than-1-056079.php

REBEL2100x

"Retailers estimate" Where? Hmm. I estimate that WW3 will start in exactly 3 . . . 2 . . . :roll: Very credible numbers from a site with a lot of credibility.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS281US282&q=360+failure+rate+16%25

Ok thats good that it decreased. But dont you think that 16% is still alot compared to 2%?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

16% for the 360 lol

the PS3 is a very reliable machine.

linkin_guy109

little tip, give the update a day or two before downloading it to see if people are having problems with it, unless your really iching to play an online game or download something from the psn then a day or two should be minimal when looking out for your console

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

16% for the 360 lol

the PS3 is a very reliable machine.

Stevo_the_gamer

little tip, give the update a day or two before downloading it to see if people are having problems with it, unless your really iching to play an online game or download something from the psn then a day or two should be minimal when looking out for your console

damn that sucks

damn that sucks

linkin_guy109

I'm just going to do the same as I did this gen.. Upgrade my PC for a year or so, make an assessment on which console is the best, then buy one.

Maybe I'll buy them both like I did last gen, when there wasn't such a huge gap in quality.

All I know is that that the RRoD is affecting whether I buy an Xbox now, thats all I gotta say.alwayspureblood

The only thing reliable about the PS3 apart from its hardware integrity is its ability to offer mediocre, low quality gaming experiences.station124

All I know is that that the RRoD is affecting whether I buy an Xbox now, thats all I gotta say.alwayspureblood

Try to understand. These issues are raised precisely in order to get you to think the way you do.

That's why I believe PS was harmful for the games industry. There were too many fanboys. Now things are being held back because of fanboy exaggerations.

[QUOTE="station124"]The only thing reliable about the PS3 apart from its hardware integrity is its ability to offer mediocre, low quality gaming experiences.angelkimne

[QUOTE="station124"]The only thing reliable about the PS3 apart from its hardware integrity is its ability to offer mediocre, low quality gaming experiences.angelkimne

[QUOTE="station124"]The only thing reliable about the PS3 apart from its hardware integrity is its ability to offer mediocre, low quality gaming experiences.angelkimne

No, he didn't say linear, and text based

[QUOTE="Bubblehash"]Stop trying. Microsoft themselves even admitted it and extended the warranty to three years (but it only covers RROD). After all this, you still try to make excuses. That's just sad, sad I tell ya.Stevo_the_gamer

Having to take Sony to court to get them to admit the issue doesn't make it and bigger issue. It just means Sony sucks at admitting they screwed up. You logic is flawed. I can't give you a break. You are making this to easy.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Bubblehash"]Stop trying. Microsoft themselves even admitted it and extended the warranty to three years (but it only covers RROD). After all this, you still try to make excuses. That's just sad, sad I tell ya.Bubblehash

Having to take Sony to court to get them to admit the issue doesn't make it and bigger issue. It just means Sony sucks at admitting they screwed up. You logic is flawed. I can't give you a break. You are making this to easy.

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"][QUOTE="AaronHullLfc"]I cant believe your even thinking the next Xbox will have RRoD.angelkimne

They're not that dumb.

Precisely.

Yes and no. The PS2 DREs didn't stop people from buying the PS3. So I don't think the RRoD will stop people from buying the next Xbox system. Although I can see some people not buying the next Xbox because they had RRoD with their 360. But I think that with how well MS is handling the situation with RRoD, many people understand that MS seems to care about their customers.

Personally I'll buy MS new system, and any other systems they make. MS is like Sega to me, meaning I will buy anything they make (unless it's total garbage).

Once the xbox720 or w/e is released, do you think that sales will be affected by the 360's rrod issues? Even if the system has no initial hardware problems, i believe that it will suffer from their past console mistakes. People don't tend to forget these things afterall.Utensilman

Nope, people forget about the previous generation pretty quickly if the SNES to Playstationand PS2 to Wii transition is any indication.ITs certaily hurtign sales this generation though.

[QUOTE="Bubblehash"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Bubblehash"]Stop trying. Microsoft themselves even admitted it and extended the warranty to three years (but it only covers RROD). After all this, you still try to make excuses. That's just sad, sad I tell ya.Stevo_the_gamer

Having to take Sony to court to get them to admit the issue doesn't make it and bigger issue. It just means Sony sucks at admitting they screwed up. You logic is flawed. I can't give you a break. You are making this to easy.

Nope.

As long as they emphasize the Games Library like this gen and XBL continued integration; I'll be all over it.

Heck, it's going to launch with a Halo Prequel so I'm sold. :D j/k a lil bit

[QUOTE="AaronHullLfc"]I cant believe your even thinking the next Xbox will have RRoD.whocares4peace

Something is wrong with my monitor. All your post are starting to say twist twist twist, spin spin spin. Bottomline is most agree the RRoD is a bigger issue and also this thread is about the effects of RRoD on the sales of their next console, not the effects of the PS2 to the sales of the next MS console.Bubblehash

We've seen this before, this isn't the first time this has happened; as evident with the PS2. There was a lot more affected by the issue and were scam out of 150USD by Sony so they could have their PS2 fixed, by a problem Sony knowingly shipped with.

yes it will. for one its affecting sales right now. ms could be dominatingright now if they fixed the 360 in the beginning. the only region that gets good sales is america and really thats it . lems call it blind loyalty but its just smart consumers. causals don't spend hundreds of dollars for something thats guaranteed to break. word of mouth travels fast. plus the 360 problems are everywhere the news all over the Internet. look the 360 has games and last year it had the best but people still did not buy the 360 as much. 20 million since 05 is not something to brag about. ms f-uped this gen and it own name . next time they launched people are going to remember rrod. and for some of you comparing dre with rrod. dre was never as big as rrod. for one sony actually fixed the problem they never made a warranty and waited the problem out. plus dre was never on the news and the ps2 forums never had a official thread about dre.sireclaborn

[QUOTE="alwayspureblood"]All I know is that that the RRoD is affecting whether I buy an Xbox now, thats all I gotta say.station124

Try to understand. These issues are raised precisely in order to get you to think the way you do.

That's why I believe PS was harmful for the games industry. There were too many fanboys. Now things are being held back because of fanboy exaggerations.

I assure you. the controversy surrounding RROD was far more than to do with Sony fanboys. You think Sony fanboys forced MS to extend their warranty to 3 years for a problem which "wasn't all that bad really..."? You genuinely think fanboys have ANY influence on the industry as a whole?

If that was the case, then surely the outbreak of 360 fanboys in 2007 would have prevented the PS3 from selling well? It didn't though.

If you can honestly believe that in a conversation about Microsofts horrible quality control, that the Playstation brand is th one who is at fault and harming the industry, then i really dont know what to say.

[QUOTE="alwayspureblood"]All I know is that that the RRoD is affecting whether I buy an Xbox now, thats all I gotta say.Stevo_the_gamer

I don't care about the warranty. It's still a hassle to send in the whole thing and wait to get it back, when all you want to do is play your games. And I don't care about the release of a new Xbox either. When I buy a 360 I don't expect my old Xbox 1 to blow up. I really do want a 360 but I just can't convince myself to get one. The only reason why I'm not just getting a PS3 instead is the lack of backward compatibility with their new machines. Ah, I'll just wait a few months longer and put my hopes in the rumors of new 360 chipsets.

most likely

[QUOTE="alwayspureblood"]All I know is that that the RRoD is affecting whether I buy an Xbox now, thats all I gotta say.Stevo_the_gamer

And if my 360 breaks after the warranty is up? I'm left with a dead system? And THEN I'm supposed to go purchase the new one that is released? Who in their right mind would be happy with that?

I think I'll just wait for much more "reliable"models to be released.

[QUOTE="alwayspureblood"]All I know is that that the RRoD is affecting whether I buy an Xbox now, thats all I gotta say.station124

Try to understand. These issues are raised precisely in order to get you to think the way you do.

You have no idea why I purchased my PS3, so please don't tell me I'm "easily lead" by Sony.

And and its a good thing these issues of the 360 have been raised, or else I would be left playing hot potatoe like the good amount of 360 owners are currently doing with Microsoft.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Utensilman"]

[QUOTE="AaronHullLfc"]I cant believe your even thinking the next Xbox will have RRoD.loganh92

no. no. no. I Don't think that the next xbox will have rrod. u missed my point completely.

You can't even compare the two, PS2 was not even close to the rate of the RRODbox

the ps2 problems were so bad they birthed the term DRE and it wasn't a simple problem to fix most of the time, as well one year over 50,000 laser asemblies were recalled.

Google Fight
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=PS2+DRE&word2=RROD

PS2 DRE 472,000 results

RROD 579,000 results


http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=PS2+DRE&word2=360+RROD

PS2 DRE 472,000 results360 RROD 484,000 results

I know I won't buy one for several years after it comes out. I mean, even though people are saying the 360's hardware problems aren't as prevalent, but all the evidence I've seen says that's not the case. Have I missed out on 360 games? Um... no. Because I was playing all kinds of other games that kept me entertained.

Yeah, I'll be the prudent consumer and let all the ADD gotta-have-it consumerists put their hands on it first. You guys can be the test monkeys.

[QUOTE="Bubblehash"]Something is wrong with my monitor. All your post are starting to say twist twist twist, spin spin spin. Bottomline is most agree the RRoD is a bigger issue and also this thread is about the effects of RRoD on the sales of their next console, not the effects of the PS2 to the sales of the next MS console.Stevo_the_gamer

We've seen this before, this isn't the first time this has happened; as evident with the PS2. There was a lot more affected by the issue and were scam out of 150USD by Sony so they could have their PS2 fixed, by a problem Sony knowingly shipped with.

honestly, the rrod problem is not affecting buyers of the console NOW, so it shouldn't be different when a new xbox comes out. theres approx. 20 mill sold, if it would affect console sales, why have so many still been bought?

charomid

Really? You have proof that RROD isn't affecting 360 sales? You actually think 20 million is a lot?

Seriously, if RROD doesn't affect the next xbox's sales, then there's some seriously stupid people out there. Everybody should be cautious about buying the next xbox.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Bubblehash"]Something is wrong with my monitor. All your post are starting to say twist twist twist, spin spin spin. Bottomline is most agree the RRoD is a bigger issue and also this thread is about the effects of RRoD on the sales of their next console, not the effects of the PS2 to the sales of the next MS console.Bubblehash

We've seen this before, this isn't the first time this has happened; as evident with the PS2. There was a lot more affected by the issue and were scam out of 150USD by Sony so they could have their PS2 fixed, by a problem Sony knowingly shipped with.

bubble is right, you just completely dodged the question by talking about the ps2. we're not talking about the ps2. we're talking about how the RROD is still a significant problem, though probably not near 33% as it was spun to be.

link

this is why last year almost every console that joystiq had failed.

I cant believe your even thinking the next Xbox will have RRoD.AaronHullLfc

i think he means will it have an effect on customers whether or not they'll buy the next xbox. and i think it might but microsoft had better make sure nothing like this happens again because then im sure people will be done with microsofts console

I think it might.

The Playstation 2 had the DRE, and this gen, the PS3 isn't doing so hot (even though it is gaining momentum).

RROD or not Xbox is now associated with faulty hardware, so yes it's going to affect sales.PS_Family

rrod or not? um that makes absolutely no sense if there was no rrod then that would mean the 360 didn't fail and therefor wouldn't be associated with faulty hardware...

Speaking about percentages of RROD and DRE, if you get RROD you are %100 covered for 3 years and MS will fix it for you free of charge, while if you were in that %2 and get DRE most likely you need to pay Sony to get it fix, fix it yourself or even buy a new PS2. Only like %10 chance Sony would do something about it and help you and fix it for free.

[QUOTE="loganh92"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Utensilman"]

[QUOTE="AaronHullLfc"]I cant believe your even thinking the next Xbox will have RRoD.WilliamRLBaker

no. no. no. I Don't think that the next xbox will have rrod. u missed my point completely.

You can't even compare the two, PS2 was not even close to the rate of the RRODbox

the ps2 problems were so bad they birthed the term DRE and it wasn't a simple problem to fix most of the time, as well one year over 50,000 laser asemblies were recalled.

Google Fight
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=PS2+DRE&word2=RROD

PS2 DRE 472,000 results

RROD 579,000 results


http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=PS2+DRE&word2=360+RROD

PS2 DRE 472,000 results360 RROD 484,000 results

Those PS2 numbers are over the consoles life time I'm guessing, while 360 has been out for almost 3 years and past the DRE numbers a while ago.

It's a bad situation.

I think it might.

The Playstation 2 had the DRE, and this gen, the PS3 isn't doing so hot (even though it is gaining momentum).

verbtex

Coincidence is not casuation.

The PS3 did badly at the start of this generation for other reasons.

Sadly, the market has shown hardware concerns are low on its list.