Do we really want the Wii to win?

The same could be said about any platform.

The same could be said about any platform.RKFS

Exactly, you're paying for the experience the PS3/360 hardware and other factors give you.

They're milking that initial purchase for as much money as they can get without alerting the average ignorant consumer that he's getting robbed. It's a smart move, but a dirty one nontheless, and one that I will not support.

Because $150 is a lot of money... if the consumer think's the price is worth it for the experience...

The experience comes from the games, so why should I have to pay for that experience through wasted money on the hardware? $50 a game hurts enough.

The fact is, Nintendo could sell it for a lot less and still profit. There is no way you or anyone else can justify a $250 Wii.

[QUOTE="RKFS"]

The same could be said about any platform.Gamer556

Exactly, you're paying for the experience the PS3/360 hardware and other factors give you.

They're milking that initial purchase for as much money as they can get without alerting the average ignorant consumer that he's getting robbed. It's a smart move, but a dirty one nontheless, and one that I will not support.

Because $150 is a lot of money... if the consumer think's the price is worth it for the experience...

The experience comes from the games, so why should I have to pay for that experience through wasted money on the hardware?

The fact is, Nintendo could sell it for a lot less and still profit. There is no way you or anyone else can justify a $250 Wii.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

[QUOTE="RKFS"]

The same could be said about any platform.RKFS

Exactly, you're paying for the experience the PS3/360 hardware and other factors give you.

They're milking that initial purchase for as much money as they can get without alerting the average ignorant consumer that he's getting robbed. It's a smart move, but a dirty one nontheless, and one that I will not support.

Because $150 is a lot of money... if the consumer think's the price is worth it for the experience...

The experience comes from the games, so why should I have to pay for that experience through wasted money on the hardware?

The fact is, Nintendo could sell it for a lot less and still profit. There is no way you or anyone else can justify a $250 Wii.

No, the people who like the games shouldn't pay through the nose for the hardware. That's why we pay for the games individually.

"and $150 is SO much money... "

I really don't care how much $150 is worth to you, because it's money that doesn't need to be paid. Period. I would much rather spend that money on 3 games, wouldn't you?

[QUOTE="RKFS"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

[QUOTE="RKFS"]

The same could be said about any platform.Gamer556

Exactly, you're paying for the experience the PS3/360 hardware and other factors give you.

They're milking that initial purchase for as much money as they can get without alerting the average ignorant consumer that he's getting robbed. It's a smart move, but a dirty one nontheless, and one that I will not support.

Because $150 is a lot of money... if the consumer think's the price is worth it for the experience...

The experience comes from the games, so why should I have to pay for that experience through wasted money on the hardware?

The fact is, Nintendo could sell it for a lot less and still profit. There is no way you or anyone else can justify a $250 Wii.

No, the people who like the games shouldn't pay through the nose for the hardware. That's why we pay for the games individually.

"and $150 is SO much money... "

I really don't care how much $150 is worth to you, because it's money that doesn't need to be paid. Period. I would much rather spend that money on 3 games, wouldn't you?

Indeed. The wii is bad for [your kind of] gaming. shadow_lord_11

Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. shadow_lord_11

[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. Blue-Sphere

Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. shadow_lord_11

[QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="RKFS"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

[QUOTE="RKFS"]

The same could be said about any platform.RKFS

Exactly, you're paying for the experience the PS3/360 hardware and other factors give you.

They're milking that initial purchase for as much money as they can get without alerting the average ignorant consumer that he's getting robbed. It's a smart move, but a dirty one nontheless, and one that I will not support.

Because $150 is a lot of money... if the consumer think's the price is worth it for the experience...

The experience comes from the games, so why should I have to pay for that experience through wasted money on the hardware?

The fact is, Nintendo could sell it for a lot less and still profit. There is no way you or anyone else can justify a $250 Wii.

No, the people who like the games shouldn't pay through the nose for the hardware. That's why we pay for the games individually.

"and $150 is SO much money... "

I really don't care how much $150 is worth to you, because it's money that doesn't need to be paid. Period. I would much rather spend that money on 3 games, wouldn't you?

Yes, but Nintendo's direct competitors aren't cheating people, so why is it acceptable?

[QUOTE="RKFS"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="RKFS"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

[QUOTE="RKFS"]

The same could be said about any platform.Gamer556

Exactly, you're paying for the experience the PS3/360 hardware and other factors give you.

They're milking that initial purchase for as much money as they can get without alerting the average ignorant consumer that he's getting robbed. It's a smart move, but a dirty one nontheless, and one that I will not support.

Because $150 is a lot of money... if the consumer think's the price is worth it for the experience...

The experience comes from the games, so why should I have to pay for that experience through wasted money on the hardware?

The fact is, Nintendo could sell it for a lot less and still profit. There is no way you or anyone else can justify a $250 Wii.

No, the people who like the games shouldn't pay through the nose for the hardware. That's why we pay for the games individually.

"and $150 is SO much money... "

I really don't care how much $150 is worth to you, because it's money that doesn't need to be paid. Period. I would much rather spend that money on 3 games, wouldn't you?

Yes, but Nintendo's direct competitors aren't cheating people, so why is it acceptable?

Wii made a very smart move when they decided to have a different path in gaming and to put itself in a different league from PS3/X360. As a result, most gamers and video game analyst believe that Wii can co-exist with X360 or PS3 because it provides a different kind of gaming that the PS3 and X360 does not have the it was embraced by the casuals more than the other two. In short, Wii has a real product differential that the consumer can distinguish and identify. The real question is that can PS3 and X360 co-exist? The answer to that is no because they are both competing for the mature audience, both are aiming for the powerhouse, and both mainly approach the Hardcore gamers rather than casuals. Wii already proved that it has majority of the casual gamers plus it adds more non-gamers to its userbase, the real problem for Wii is that are they isolating the Hardcore gamers? Most will answer true, but as a hardcore gamer, I find the Wii appealing (I have the Wii60) mainly because it offers different kind of gaming and for the first time my entire family, friends, and girlfriend are playing video game (a very big plus). I'm more of a social commmunity than virtual community type of a person that's why despite having a X360, a Wii is a must for gamers IMO. If Wii wins, it will not hinder both PS3 and X360 because Wii, despite being a console as well, will make room for other kinds of gamers to competitors to make games that are more graphics oriented. If PS3 wins, it means that console prices and games will drastically increase from $600 to $1000 in the future. The reason why I don't see the X360 win the console war despite being great and NA, and fair in Europe, without Japan, they will lose 30% of the console market which is significant enough to win the console war. Some argues that Japan is not needed but Microsoft themselves will tell you how important Japan is as you have seen their X360 launch and their stubborn to appeal to Japan.

[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. Blue-Sphere

[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. Blackbond

[QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. shadow_lord_11

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. shadow_lord_11

[QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. shadow_lord_11

[QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. shadow_lord_11

[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. solidsnakeEx3

:lol:

I know a lot of Nintendo fans see the Wii winning this gen due to the excellent sales it's already received, and it's a fair prediction, just like either PS3/360 winning this gen. I also know a lot of Sony/MS fans expect the Wii to win but I'm asking you right now:

Do we really want the Wii to win?

Think about the consequences for a second. If Wii wins both Sony and MS next gen will not upgrade their hardware significantly next gen and add something innovative like a touch pen, or Wiimote to their console to increase creativity among devs. Many seem to forget that devs can be creative or innovative with normal controllers/hardware too, like Okami for PS2, or Shadow of the Colossus. If Wii wins, next gen will be targeted mainly at non gamers who enjoy games like Wiisports, Nintendogs, Brain Training, Singstar etc.

I'm not saying "Don't buy a Wii" because I think it's a great console and I would like to see it fair much better than the GC but I certainly don't want it to win because it's quite obvious what effect that will have on the market. I just wanted to point that out. In any case I don't see it winning because I don't think it will be able to compete when GT5, Halo 3, GTAIV, FFXIII, MGSIV all arrive and take the media's attention.

What do you think? If Wii wins, would you be OK with MS/Sony not upgrading their hardware too much and focusing more on creativity or would you rather they take strong hardware + great graphics = good games route?


the-very-best

Agree 110%.

Yes.  It's good for developers, and it does make gaming more interesting.  I'd like them to get in a strong second position anyways (Which I think is pretty much guaranteed).  Nintendo's plan of expanding the market is actually working.

I also like what 360 is doing.  It's developer friendly and is just well designed.  The only reason I'm put off by it is because MS is growing and growing and becoming more of a giant, and they're bound to make a monopoly.

As for Sony, they don't deserve to win.
solidsnakeEx3

[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. solidsnakeEx3

What is winning ? I thought the gamers win if they like their system of choice. I could care less who get the marketshare. If I had stock in any of the companies then obviously I would care. Just enjoy your system. I didn't care about sales last gen when I had the dreamcast, xbox, and gamecube, nor did I care about the gen before that when I had a saturn and a N64. This gen is no different. If the system have the games I want and have plenty of new ips I am a customer.too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="solidsnakeEx3"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. shadow_lord_11

[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="solidsnakeEx3"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. solidsnakeEx3

[QUOTE="solidsnakeEx3"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="solidsnakeEx3"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. shadow_lord_11

The Wii has hardcore games, you seem to have forgotten that.OhhSnap50893

[QUOTE="solidsnakeEx3"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. shadow_lord_11

I know a lot of Nintendo fans see the Wii winning this gen due to the excellent sales it's already received, and it's a fair prediction, just like either PS3/360 winning this gen. I also know a lot of Sony/MS fans expect the Wii to win but I'm asking you right now:

Do we really want the Wii to win?

Think about the consequences for a second. If Wii wins both Sony and MS next gen will not upgrade their hardware significantly next gen and add something innovative like a touch pen, or Wiimote to their console to increase creativity among devs. Many seem to forget that devs can be creative or innovative with normal controllers/hardware too, like Okami for PS2, or Shadow of the Colossus. If Wii wins, next gen will be targeted mainly at non gamers who enjoy games like Wiisports, Nintendogs, Brain Training, Singstar etc.

I'm not saying "Don't buy a Wii" because I think it's a great console and I would like to see it fair much better than the GC but I certainly don't want it to win because it's quite obvious what effect that will have on the market. I just wanted to point that out. In any case I don't see it winning because I don't think it will be able to compete when GT5, Halo 3, GTAIV, FFXIII, MGSIV all arrive and take the media's attention.

What do you think? If Wii wins, would you be OK with MS/Sony not upgrading their hardware too much and focusing more on creativity or would you rather they take strong hardware + great graphics = good games route?


the-very-best

[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="solidsnakeEx3"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]Indeed. The wii is bad for gaming. Blackbond

Should we want the Wii to win?  No.  Will it win?  Unfortunately, yes.Gamer46

so accodring to your logic pc should be winiining all the time...

ps2 - less powerful and grapchis

ps1 - same

n64- powerful than ps1 and grapchis better

cube- powerful and grpachis better than ps2

xbox- powerful than all of them

so accodring to you logic it should go nes, sega, dreacast, n64, xbox, ps3

[QUOTE="Gamer46"]Should we want the Wii to win? No. Will it win? Unfortunately, yes.wavebrid

so accodring to your logic pc should be winiining all the time...

ps2 - less powerful and grapchis

ps1 - same

n64- powerful than ps1 and grapchis better

cube- powerful and grpachis better than ps2

xbox- powerful than all of them

so accodring to you logic it should go nes, sega, dreacast, n64, xbox, ps3

I know a lot of Nintendo fans see the Wii winning this gen due to the excellent sales it's already received, and it's a fair prediction, just like either PS3/360 winning this gen. I also know a lot of Sony/MS fans expect the Wii to win but I'm asking you right now:

Do we really want the Wii to win?

Think about the consequences for a second. If Wii wins both Sony and MS next gen will not upgrade their hardware significantly next gen and add something innovative like a touch pen, or Wiimote to their console to increase creativity among devs. Many seem to forget that devs can be creative or innovative with normal controllers/hardware too, like Okami for PS2, or Shadow of the Colossus. If Wii wins, next gen will be targeted mainly at non gamers who enjoy games like Wiisports, Nintendogs, Brain Training, Singstar etc.

I'm not saying "Don't buy a Wii" because I think it's a great console and I would like to see it fair much better than the GC but I certainly don't want it to win because it's quite obvious what effect that will have on the market. I just wanted to point that out. In any case I don't see it winning because I don't think it will be able to compete when GT5, Halo 3, GTAIV, FFXIII, MGSIV all arrive and take the media's attention.

What do you think? If Wii wins, would you be OK with MS/Sony not upgrading their hardware too much and focusing more on creativity or would you rather they take strong hardware + great graphics = good games route?


the-very-best