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#1 osirisomeomi
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If Nintendo wins, then it shows that their brand of low-performance casual gaming wins the market. 

Wouldn't that damage the hardcore gaming scene?  As far as I can tell, the more developers working on serious high-tech supergames, the better for the serious gamers.  I'm going to assume everyone on systemwars is passionate about videogames, and so I wonder why we aren't a little scared at a nintendo future.

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#2 haziqonfire
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Who cares. Nintendo winning wont effect what type of games devs make, and what type of consoles the competition makes.
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#3 Shinobishyguy
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ugh....some people see it as black or white. It is possible that nintendo can appeal to both core and non-gamers. The DS proved this.
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#4 zidane345
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they usually win the market anyway, so you honestly believe that there are 100 million hardcore PS2 fans out there
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#5 thinicer
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Well if the Wii wins, and resoundingly so, the next crop of systems will probably be a lot different in terms of contol.
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#6 SergeantSnitch
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HELL NO!  Nintendo should NOT win.  And they won't either, they won't win in the long run.  Don't even bring up the DS because we aren't talking about the HANDHELD market here.
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What you're saying is that if Nintendo wins kittens and puppies will be put through meat grinders, angels will lose their wings, and a soul is sent to eternal damnation; right? 

So obviously we don't want Nintendo to win right?

Perfect logic.

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#8 foxhound_fox
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Casuals and non-gamers fuel the market. Do you want developers to go bankrupt and not be able to make great games for the minority of "hardcore" gamers?
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#9 yoshi_64
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If Sony wins, it shows that they care nothing but pushing their own media through gaming, and like to raise the costs for us and developers, that eventually lead to the gaming crash that happened back in the 80s...

If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware, and micro transactions that go from buying my characters moves to progress to the ability to save....

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#10 HappyInvader101
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When hasnt Casual gaming not been the deciding factor in the System wars? The PS2 won because of it, as did every console before it
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ugh....some people see it as black or white. It is possible that nintendo can appeal to both core and non-gamers. The DS proved this.Shinobishyguy

How does the DS prove that? I do not like the majority of the games on the DS, I only really liked one game that I purchased for the DS and that was NSB. I am not a fan of the different ways to play the games, like the Metroid game...  

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#12 Koopaknight29
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Eh, sure why not? I mean we survived the PS2, what's stopping us when it come to the Wii? (Aside for it being lolol Kidtendo)
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If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware

yoshi_64

And if Nintendo wins, we will be seeing outdated hardware.

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]ugh....some people see it as black or white. It is possible that nintendo can appeal to both core and non-gamers. The DS proved this.spinecaton

How does the DS prove that? I do not like the majority of the games on the DS, I only really liked one game that I purchased for the DS and that was NSB. I am not a fan of the different ways to play the games, like the Metroid game...  

Big Brain and Brain Age games however sell and stay on the top 25, so to say that the DS isn't a deciding factor or at least has relevance to this war is utter ignorance. Nintendo struck a sweet chord with the DS, and the Wii seems to be following suit. Now it gets the Brain games that millions of non-gamers love, it could only mean more sales.
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If Nintendo wins, then it shows that their brand of low-performance casual gaming wins the market.

Wouldn't that damage the hardcore gaming scene? As far as I can tell, the more developers working on serious high-tech supergames, the better for the serious gamers. I'm going to assume everyone on systemwars is passionate about videogames, and so I wonder why we aren't a little scared at a nintendo future.

osirisomeomi

No, the Wii is a different system appealing to a different audience.  Its like saying that the GBA would hurt hardcore gaming on the PS2.  The Wii is trying to appeal to the casuals so now they have their own system but they get casual mini games that would never be the type of games the PS3 and 360 are trying to depend on.  Hardcores will still buy the big consoles because thier hardcore games will be there.  Its just an expansion of the industry not a shift in gears. 

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When hasnt Casual gaming not been the deciding factor in the System wars? The PS2 won because of it, as did every console before itHappyInvader101
You are right there.  Casuals fuel the market.  I don't see all the systems being based after the PS2 now do I.

P.S I love your sig.

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#17 yoshi_64
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If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware

spinecaton

And if Nintendo wins, we will be seeing outdated hardware.

At least it will work and not break down on me, and they come up with excuses to hide behind the problem and won't fix it.

Anyways, that doesn't disprove Nintendo doesn't nickel and dime you like MS and Microtransactions.

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#18 TriangleHard
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When Nintendo made Pokemon, I've shut Nintendo out from my life.

If Nintendo dominates gaming and all I see is Pokemon, Nintendogs, etc that's when I'll shut gaming out from my life.

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#19 oback
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the gaming industry is dead without casuals
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#20 spinecaton
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]ugh....some people see it as black or white. It is possible that nintendo can appeal to both core and non-gamers. The DS proved this.yoshi_64

How does the DS prove that? I do not like the majority of the games on the DS, I only really liked one game that I purchased for the DS and that was NSB. I am not a fan of the different ways to play the games, like the Metroid game...

Big Brain and Brain Age games however sell and stay on the top 25, so to say that the DS isn't a deciding factor or at least has relevance to this war is utter ignorance. Nintendo struck a sweet chord with the DS, and the Wii seems to be following suit. Now it gets the Brain games that millions of non-gamers love, it could only mean more sales.

How does that prove his point the Nintendo appeals to the core gamer? That proves that Nintendo is directed at casuals 

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#21 spinecaton
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[QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

 

If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware

yoshi_64

And if Nintendo wins, we will be seeing outdated hardware.

At least it will work and not break down on me, and they come up with excuses to hide behind the problem and won't fix it.

Anyways, that doesn't disprove Nintendo doesn't nickel and dime you like MS and Microtransactions.

When did I say I was trying to disprove? You are just pulling things out of your *** 

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By your logic, if Nintendo doesn't win then the industry will continue to be driven by teenagers and college kids that want nothing but shooters and sports games.
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#23 yoshi_64
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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]ugh....some people see it as black or white. It is possible that nintendo can appeal to both core and non-gamers. The DS proved this.spinecaton

How does the DS prove that? I do not like the majority of the games on the DS, I only really liked one game that I purchased for the DS and that was NSB. I am not a fan of the different ways to play the games, like the Metroid game...

Big Brain and Brain Age games however sell and stay on the top 25, so to say that the DS isn't a deciding factor or at least has relevance to this war is utter ignorance. Nintendo struck a sweet chord with the DS, and the Wii seems to be following suit. Now it gets the Brain games that millions of non-gamers love, it could only mean more sales.

How does that prove his point the Nintendo appeals to the core gamer? That proves that Nintendo is directed at casuals 

The DS is a massive success with both markets. Only looking at the sales, and scores of it's top selling games prove this.

Sorrry, I don't need to disprove anything, it's an obvious fact. You're just a biased fanboy who cannot accept the truth, and even see that Nintendo's got the games for both crowds.

"Hardcore" crowds are miniscule to the amount of money that the "non-gamers" bring in, but for the hardcore this year there's

SSBB, SMG, MP 3, No More Heros, Super Mario Strikers Charged, and fort eh "casuals" or "Non-gamers on wii there's Brain Academy Wii Degree, Wii Health, Music, and more which I haven't kept up with yet.

The facts alone though are obvious. The Wii has both markets aimed in it's sights, and it's obvious with it's upcoming list. Though, you only look at anything made by Nintendo and scream "kiddy" or "casual" remarks and that suddenly Nintendo will not do anything for the industry, despite the data being in your face and fingertips (web access anyone? )

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By your logic, if Nintendo doesn't win then the industry will continue to be driven by teenagers and college kids that want nothing but shooters and sports games.Dencore
And I hate most shooters and sports games, but do I complain there are alot of them?  No.  Neither should these so-called "Hardcore" gamers complain about the Wii.
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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

 

If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware

spinecaton

And if Nintendo wins, we will be seeing outdated hardware.

At least it will work and not break down on me, and they come up with excuses to hide behind the problem and won't fix it.

Anyways, that doesn't disprove Nintendo doesn't nickel and dime you like MS and Microtransactions.

When did I say I was trying to disprove? You are just pulling things out of your *** 

I never said you were... thanks for reading comprehension and failing...

"Anyways, that doesn't disprove [that] Nintendo doesn't nickel and dime you like MS..." If you didn't understand that, it wasn't referring to you. It coincided with my last statement. I won't reiterate it, but you should retake school or something kid.

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By your logic, if Nintendo doesn't win then the industry will continue to be driven by teenagers and college kids that want nothing but shooters and sports games.Dencore

I don't think that all serious gamers want is shooters and sports games.  Look at final fantasy, that game takes serious commitment to beat, but is an rpg.  And i'd say casual gamers like sports games, and some like shooters too (halo). 

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#27 Dencore
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[QUOTE="Dencore"]By your logic, if Nintendo doesn't win then the industry will continue to be driven by teenagers and college kids that want nothing but shooters and sports games.Grodus5
And I hate most shooters and sports games, but do I complain there are alot of them? No. Neither should these so-called "Hardcore" gamers complain about the Wii.

The thing is these shootesr and sports games are all that come out anymore it seems :( 

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nintendo should win... they deserve it
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#29 spinecaton
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[QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="spinecaton"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

 

If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware

yoshi_64

And if Nintendo wins, we will be seeing outdated hardware.

At least it will work and not break down on me, and they come up with excuses to hide behind the problem and won't fix it.

Anyways, that doesn't disprove Nintendo doesn't nickel and dime you like MS and Microtransactions.

When did I say I was trying to disprove? You are just pulling things out of your ***

I never said you were... thanks for reading comprehension and failing...

"Anyways, that doesn't disprove [that] Nintendo doesn't nickel and dime you like MS..." If you didn't understand that, it wasn't referring to you. It coincided with my last statement. I won't reiterate it, but you should retake school or something kid.

That statement made it seem like I was trying to disprove something you said. Quotes are used to refer to the person you quoted, so you were referring to me. You interjected the part of microtransactions for no reason. I took out that within your first post because that is not something I wanted to talk about.

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#30 glitchgeeman
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Oh my God, not THIS argument again! Seriously, first, everyone was like, "Wii will never win!" and now everyone's argument is that they're so scared of the Wii winning, they have to make up excuses as why Nintendo will kill gaming. It's Nintendo we're talking about here, besides, Reggie himself has said time after time that they have not forgotten about the hardcore gamers, and SSBB, Galaxy, and Prime 3 are all there to prove that.
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In some ways yes and in some ways no. I want them to succeed because I like Zelda and Mario games but at the same time I don't want them to succeed because of all the shallow games on the Wii like minigames and Brain training etc.

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ugh....some people see it as black or white. It is possible that nintendo can appeal to both core and non-gamers. The DS proved this.Shinobishyguy


This is a common misunderstanding. Look at every Nintendo handheld from the Gameboy onwards - what have been the defining characteristics?

Long battery life, durability, addictive portable games.

The Gameboy beat the Gamegear because it was actually a portable gaming platform - bite sized gaming like Tetris, Pokemon, and Dr. Mario, all in a long-battery life, indestructable pocket platform. Gamers were playing games like Final Fantasy Legends III under the table at dinner, in the bathroom at work, on the bus...

And the DS didn't change that - you can look at the touch screen, or you can recognize that essentially what made the DS a success is the same thing that made every other Gameboy a success - it is *built* for pocket gaming.

When we look at the PSP, what we see is something that's *not* portable - the games are mostly built to be epic games (god of war?) which aren't suited to pick-up-and-go gaming. The system itself is fragile, a big, easily scratched screen and flimsy (by comparison) optical drive. The battery life is painfully short.

Today is no different than my camp days as a kid. One kid would bring in a Game Gear, we'd gather around on the playground, but by the end of the day when we were waiting for our parents to pick us up, his batteries were long dead. Meanwhile, I was still cruising through Mega Man V on my Gameboy.


Well if the Wii wins, and resoundingly so, the next crop of systems will probably be a lot different in terms of contol. thinicer


Doubt it... what would be the point? The Wiimote technology is now "been there, seen it, played it" - what sense would there be in doing it yet again? Consider too, that there is a market for traditionally controlled games. After all, PC gamers have been using a keyboard and mouse for decades, yet the only refinement to come to this control technology has been the introduction of progressively more sensitive mice.

The same holds for the ever-evolving joypad. The Xbox 360 controller represents the pinnacle of dual-analog, and yet even it has flaws that will be worked out in the next iteration - the D-pad will almost certainly be changed. If motion-sensitivity is introduced, it won't be at the cost of rumble...

Even the PS3 hybrid pad will likely go more in the direction of re-introducing rumble, rather than pushing more towards being the Wii. What we're seeing here is a divide in the market - not a "me too" follow the leader approach.


Casuals and non-gamers fuel the market. Do you want developers to go bankrupt and not be able to make great games for the minority of "hardcore" gamers?foxhound_fox


Actually, to a large degree it's the other way around. Hardcore gamers aren't just necissary, they *define* the market. While a few companies (Nintendo) can fight over casuals /non-gamers, by their very nature they do not buy enough software to sustain development. And without games, the market is dead.

Keep in mind, there's a false assumption here - "everyone buying a Wii, or Wii games, is a casual / non-gamer". Not true, I'm a hardcore gamer, yet I own Mario games, Halo games, I've even owned a sports game or two in my lifetime. Hardcore gamers tend to buy *massive* amounts of software, by comparison to casuals. Look at the 360 attach rate.

You also have to look at the sales of $200+ graphics cards - massive - we have an industry here that caters to the high end. Why?

The cost of introducing *any* cutting-edge technology is huge, but eventually becomes cheaper. Look at motion sensitivity - the Wii is $250 - have any idea how much a device like the Wii would have cost to manufacture in, say, 1980?

Yet even more so, we have technology like Plasma screens. You can now purchase a 42" 720p plasma screen for about $1000... such a screen would have cost $10,000 just a few years ago. My 720p 27" HDTV cost me $500 in January, yet such a screen was $1500 just a few years ago. What happened?

Ultimately, the high end consumers bought the early technology, the people seeking the very best, and provided the seed money for technology we now take for granted. If it wasn't for companies pushing techology, and the early adopters who buy it, the world would be a different place - Plasma screen research would have died, we would only have LCD, DLP, and CRT.

In any case, the point is that the hardcore market is what fuels innovation - you have people who are willing to spend almost any amount of money on a product, simply because it is new technology. I own a 720p HDTV and a 5.1 surround system - how much material is there really for me to use with such a setup? Already I'm feeling that 27" is simply too small.. I'm starting to get an eye for a 1080p set...

The point is, the hardcore market is there, they buy technology that casuals won't buy, they drive the bottom line for many companies, and the technology industry caters to them as much as casuals. While more people buy an iPod, Nintendo DS, and Wii than buy an HDTV, surround sound system, and HD-gaming system (or high-end PC), there are ultimately dozens of companies competing for the hardcore consumers, far more than are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]ugh....some people see it as black or white. It is possible that nintendo can appeal to both core and non-gamers. The DS proved this.yoshi_64

How does the DS prove that? I do not like the majority of the games on the DS, I only really liked one game that I purchased for the DS and that was NSB. I am not a fan of the different ways to play the games, like the Metroid game...

Big Brain and Brain Age games however sell and stay on the top 25, so to say that the DS isn't a deciding factor or at least has relevance to this war is utter ignorance. Nintendo struck a sweet chord with the DS, and the Wii seems to be following suit. Now it gets the Brain games that millions of non-gamers love, it could only mean more sales.

Exactly! As for core games for the ds...mario kart, Pokemon d/p, castlevania, final fantasy III and the soon to be released IV, New super mario bros, Kirby's canvas curse, advanced wars DS. I could go on...but I don't feel like wasting the effort.
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#34 E_x_i_l_e
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Honestly, HELL NO. I don't want Nintendo to win, I mean already, they're showing their arrogance because they're selling well early in their console life, but fail to produce many good games.. hell this year.. there's Brawl, Galaxy, and Metroid .. mainly that are decent games. Also, I enjoy gorgeous graphics AND great gameplay, IMO Wii doesn't have either.. I hate the Wiimote and how you have to play on that console.
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If Sony wins, it shows that they care nothing but pushing their own media through gaming, and like to raise the costs for us and developers, that eventually lead to the gaming crash that happened back in the 80s...

If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware, and micro transactions that go from buying my characters moves to progress to the ability to save....

yoshi_64

If Nintendo wins, we'll be seeing a lot of last generation graphics, gimicky controls, non-serious type video games and crap.

BTW your first sentence didn't make sense.

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]ugh....some people see it as black or white. It is possible that nintendo can appeal to both core and non-gamers. The DS proved this.subrosian



This is a common misunderstanding. Look at every Nintendo handheld from the Gameboy onwards - what have been the defining characteristics?

Long battery life, durability, addictive portable games.

The Gameboy beat the Gamegear because it was actually a portable gaming platform - bite sized gaming like Tetris, Pokemon, and Dr. Mario, all in a long-battery life, indestructable pocket platform. Gamers were playing games like Final Fantasy Legends III under the table at dinner, in the bathroom at work, on the bus...

And the DS didn't change that - you can look at the touch screen, or you can recognize that essentially what made the DS a success is the same thing that made every other Gameboy a success - it is *built* for pocket gaming.

When we look at the PSP, what we see is something that's *not* portable - the games are mostly built to be epic games (god of war?) which aren't suited to pick-up-and-go gaming. The system itself is fragile, a big, easily scratched screen and flimsy (by comparison) optical drive. The battery life is painfully short.

Today is no different than my camp days as a kid. One kid would bring in a Game Gear, we'd gather around on the playground, but by the end of the day when we were waiting for our parents to pick us up, his batteries were long dead. Meanwhile, I was still cruising through Mega Man V on my Gameboy.


Well if the Wii wins, and resoundingly so, the next crop of systems will probably be a lot different in terms of contol. thinicer


Doubt it... what would be the point? The Wiimote technology is now "been there, seen it, played it" - what sense would there be in doing it yet again? Consider too, that there is a market for traditionally controlled games. After all, PC gamers have been using a keyboard and mouse for decades, yet the only refinement to come to this control technology has been the introduction of progressively more sensitive mice.

The same holds for the ever-evolving joypad. The Xbox 360 controller represents the pinnacle of dual-analog, and yet even it has flaws that will be worked out in the next iteration - the D-pad will almost certainly be changed. If motion-sensitivity is introduced, it won't be at the cost of rumble...

Even the PS3 hybrid pad will likely go more in the direction of re-introducing rumble, rather than pushing more towards being the Wii. What we're seeing here is a divide in the market - not a "me too" follow the leader approach.


Casuals and non-gamers fuel the market. Do you want developers to go bankrupt and not be able to make great games for the minority of "hardcore" gamers?foxhound_fox


Actually, to a large degree it's the other way around. Hardcore gamers aren't just necissary, they *define* the market. While a few companies (Nintendo) can fight over casuals /non-gamers, by their very nature they do not buy enough software to sustain development. And without games, the market is dead.

Keep in mind, there's a false assumption here - "everyone buying a Wii, or Wii games, is a casual / non-gamer". Not true, I'm a hardcore gamer, yet I own Mario games, Halo games, I've even owned a sports game or two in my lifetime. Hardcore gamers tend to buy *massive* amounts of software, by comparison to casuals. Look at the 360 attach rate.

You also have to look at the sales of $200+ graphics cards - massive - we have an industry here that caters to the high end. Why?

The cost of introducing *any* cutting-edge technology is huge, but eventually becomes cheaper. Look at motion sensitivity - the Wii is $250 - have any idea how much a device like the Wii would have cost to manufacture in, say, 1980?

Yet even more so, we have technology like Plasma screens. You can now purchase a 42" 720p plasma screen for about $1000... such a screen would have cost $10,000 just a few years ago. My 720p 27" HDTV cost me $500 in January, yet such a screen was $1500 just a few years ago. What happened?

Ultimately, the high end consumers bought the early technology, the people seeking the very best, and provided the seed money for technology we now take for granted. If it wasn't for companies pushing techology, and the early adopters who buy it, the world would be a different place - Plasma screen research would have died, we would only have LCD, DLP, and CRT.

In any case, the point is that the hardcore market is what fuels innovation - you have people who are willing to spend almost any amount of money on a product, simply because it is new technology. I own a 720p HDTV and a 5.1 surround system - how much material is there really for me to use with such a setup? Already I'm feeling that 27" is simply too small.. I'm starting to get an eye for a 1080p set...

The point is, the hardcore market is there, they buy technology that casuals won't buy, they drive the bottom line for many companies, and the technology industry caters to them as much as casuals. While more people buy an iPod, Nintendo DS, and Wii than buy an HDTV, surround sound system, and HD-gaming system (or high-end PC), there are ultimately dozens of companies competing for the hardcore consumers, far more than are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

By your logic, there are lots of people willing to buy the latest/greatest tech for themselves.  If so, then why hasn't the technologically superior ps3 sold tons and tons of units? 

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#37 KillJeff
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Anyways, Nintendo will not win maybe handheld but not the console war.

The reason it's selling is the price.

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#38 Dencore
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IMHO if SONY and Microsoft took the market then we'd see another game crash due to a stagnant industry and ridiculous high development costs and game prices.
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Do gamers older then 5 still care about Wii? :shock:
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There will still be a high demand for more technical and graphical powerhouse systems. Just because Nintendo is expanding its fanbase doesn't mean its necessarily stealing from the competitors. The people that were interested in PS2's and Xbox's games most likely wont pass on the sequels or other new games just to play Nintendo exclusives.
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Anyways, Nintendo will not win maybe handheld but not the console war.

The reason it's selling is the price.

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Dreamcast, Gamecube, Nintendo 64? 

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unless MS doesnt fix its 3 rings of death , until then i want NITENDO to win.

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Most people and even gamers are blind to this "War" going on. Which ever company "wins" won't have a drastic effect on games of tomorrow. Companies are going to make the console and games that they think is best in their view. Each company has it's own philosophy. Nintendo thinks cheap and effective entertainment is the best route. Sony thinks having a multimedia center with games that have cinematic gameplay and graphics is the best route. Microsoft believes it's more about the community and customization that's key.

 These three companies philosophies haven't changed much in the past years, and probably won't in the coming years. So who ever ends up "winning" isn't going to have a major effect on what other companies make or do in the future. If Nintendo wins, then you know what? You'll still have your Halo's, your Metal Gear's, GT's, Tekken's, Ace Combat's, PGR, Jak's, Mario's, Metroid's, Zelda's, Devil May Cry's, Unreal's, etc, etc, etc........ To sum it up, good games will always be made regardless, so don't worry too much about it.

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If Nintendo wins, then it shows that their brand of low-performance casual gaming wins the market.

Wouldn't that damage the hardcore gaming scene? As far as I can tell, the more developers working on serious high-tech supergames, the better for the serious gamers. I'm going to assume everyone on systemwars is passionate about videogames, and so I wonder why we aren't a little scared at a nintendo future.

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Hmm I'm guessing you weren't here when the PS brand was born... The PS brand brought to gaming the casual market and this was regarded by many gamers as a good thing, since it took gaming closer outside of the image people had of it in the past.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the PS brand, but to me it was definitely the most responsible brand for the death of 2d gaming and brought the level of hardcore gaming imo down because of the casual market that it also wanted to appeal. Quite frankly, I really don't see gaming going even lower then of what it is today, but this is not about my opinion on this.

The question I want to ask is: If gamers felt like the PS brand was ultimately good for gaming, why would anybody hold it against the Wii with unsupported arguments just because it is trying to bring to the table not only the casual market like the PS brand did, but also the non gamer market?   

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I don't want anyone to win, but if one must, I say the one that's being most unique and not generic.
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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

 

If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware

spinecaton

And if Nintendo wins, we will be seeing outdated hardware.

Yes, because if a company wins, every competitor makes a console just like the winner the next generation. Why, just look at Nintendo and how similar the Wii is to the design philosophy of the PS2.

Yes sir, no product differentiation there. 

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[QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]

If Nintendo wins, then it shows that their brand of low-performance casual gaming wins the market.

Wouldn't that damage the hardcore gaming scene? As far as I can tell, the more developers working on serious high-tech supergames, the better for the serious gamers. I'm going to assume everyone on systemwars is passionate about videogames, and so I wonder why we aren't a little scared at a nintendo future.

StealthSting

Hmm I'm guessing you weren't here when the PS brand was born... The PS brand brought to gaming the casual market and this was regarded by many gamers as a good thing, since it took gaming closer outside of the image people had of it in the past.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the PS brand, but to me it was definitely the most responsible brand for the death of 2d gaming and brought the level of hardcore gaming imo down because of the casual market that it also wanted to appeal. Quite frankly, I really don't see gaming going even lower then of what it is today, but this is not about my opinion on this.

The question I want to ask is: If gamers felt like the PS brand was ultimately good for gaming, why would anybody hold it against the Wii with unsupported arguments just because it is trying to bring to the table not only the casual market like the PS brand did, but also the non gamer market?

 

THANK YOU!!

Also to note I think most gamers feel that way because well those that didn't like how gaming was going just simply quit since all their genres and quality games were destroyed, plus 100 million strong will bring in some fans. I agree also, I can't imagine console gaming becoming any worse then it is now. 

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Why not?
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[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]Why not?Dencore

What!? What do you mean why not! No offense but you are a complete retard I mean really you are! If Nintendo wins gaming quality will go down. We see this with some of their crap games they release. Twilight Princess is a perfect example of this it was regarded as critics and fans as a horrible game and had horrible sales, it only sold some millions, himulatingly Nintendo didn't reach their gole with the game silling 17 trillion. The Wii itself is horrible looking it seriously looks more like a VCR then a gaming system, this is the obvious reason why the console is by far the least selling system so far this gen. Also Nintendo for the first time ever will kill all hardcore gaming and creativity just look at the DS, I've yet to see a game targeted towards gamers, hell I have yet to see an innovative game on it. Look if Nintendo needs to change their stance or else they'll ruin gaming and take it all the way towards the casuals this is apparent with the releases of future casual games such as Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, and No More Heroes.

All in all the Wii will/is ruining gaming. So please Shake-N-Bake I mean Ganon get your head out of your butt because you're making NO sense here!

Haha, Dencore, I remember your little sarcastic rants on the Wii Board and people were so defensive about 'em :lol: