Do we WANT Nintendo to win?

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]Why not?Dencore

What!? What do you mean why not! No offense but you are a complete retard I mean really you are! If Nintendo wins gaming quality will go down. We see this with some of their crap games they release. Twilight Princess is a perfect example of this it was regarded as critics and fans as a horrible game and had horrible sales, it only sold some millions, himulatingly Nintendo didn't reach their gole with the game silling 17 trillion. The Wii itself is horrible looking it seriously looks more like a VCR then a gaming system, this is the obvious reason why the console is by far the least selling system so far this gen. Also Nintendo for the first time ever will kill all hardcore gaming and creativity just look at the DS, I've yet to see a game targeted towards gamers, hell I have yet to see an innovative game on it. Look if Nintendo needs to change their stance or else they'll ruin gaming and take it all the way towards the casuals this is apparent with the releases of future casual games such as Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, and No More Heroes.

All in all the Wii will/is ruining gaming. So please Shake-N-Bake I mean Ganon get your head out of your butt because you're making NO sense here!

You know, you might want to tone down the sarcasm. Some of us are ignorant bigots and can't take a joke for what its worth. That and its starting to ooze onto my keyboard.

Just an FYI.

Haha, Dencore, I remember your little sarcastic rants on the Wii Board and people were so defensive about 'em :lol:

Ganon_919

Twilight Princess was horrible, the Zelda series has always been known as a highend curtain fire shoot-em-up, Twlight Princess just failed to deliver!

Anyway yeah ahhh the good old days, well until the mods started to ban me because they claimed I was beeing "annoying". :angry:

Also, WTF happened to "Shirley_Temple"? Did he die or something? Lifetime ban? 

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

Haha, Dencore, I remember your little sarcastic rants on the Wii Board and people were so defensive about 'em :lol:

Dencore

Twilight Princess was horrible, the Zelda series has always been known as a highend curtain fire shoot-em-up, Twlight Princess just failed to deliver!

Anyway yeah ahhh the good old days, well until the mods started to ban me because they claimed I was beeing "annoying". :angry:

Also, WTF happened to "Shirley_Temple"? Did he die or something? Lifetime ban? 

Yeah, sorry. My bad there. You see it started when he and I walked into a chatroom and well...

Blood was EVERYWHERE. For the record, he started it.

Yeah, sorry. My bad there. You see it started when he and I walked into a chatroom and well...

Blood was EVERYWHERE. For the record, he started it.

Koopaknight29

No offense but looking at your post count did you know who he was? 

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

Haha, Dencore, I remember your little sarcastic rants on the Wii Board and people were so defensive about 'em :lol:

Dencore

Twilight Princess was horrible, the Zelda series has always been known as a highend curtain fire shoot-em-up, Twlight Princess just failed to deliver!

Anyway yeah ahhh the good old days, well until the mods started to ban me because they claimed I was beeing "annoying". :angry:

Also, WTF happened to "Shirley_Temple"? Did he die or something? Lifetime ban? 

lol, yep, those were good times.

I don't know, I haven't seen him around either...
Never given it much thought until now.

Then again, I haven't used the Wii Board as much because whenever I'm on it, it's like a ghosttown.

If nintendo wins, I'll stop gaming.Soulja_West

lol, if that's your mindset, you should stop regardless.

Who cares. Nintendo winning wont effect what type of games devs make, and what type of consoles the competition makes. Haziqonfire

Wrong and Wrong again.

Wow.

The Developers have the choice to make money for the PUBLISHERS or be replaced. If Pubs move to Casual (As they are cheaper to make and MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF THEY WERE BIG) then there will be MORE and MORE Casual Games on the market.

The Hardcore games won't go away, they Will simply be FEWER than they are today in that Nintendo Reigns FUTURE. 

Honestly, think about it. Really.

The Answer is obvious, even if you don't want to believe it, so just go back to Mario Party 8 instead if you want to ignore this post.

UP NEXT? :

Brain Games for Wii! 

[QUOTE="Koopaknight29"]

Yeah, sorry. My bad there. You see it started when he and I walked into a chatroom and well...

Blood was EVERYWHERE. For the record, he started it.

Dencore

No offense but looking at your post count did you know who he was? 

'Course not, I'm just bored out of my skull at the moment and felt like playing along. Then again, I did lurk these boards for several years, so I may have seen him in passing. Sorry if I interrupted something.

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]If nintendo wins, I'll stop gaming.Ganon_919

lol, if that's your mindset, you should stop regardless.

Yes thats my mindset and I'm not going to stop as long as sony and microsoft is around but if nintendo wins, I'll quit gaming.

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]If nintendo wins, I'll stop gaming.Soulja_West

lol, if that's your mindset, you should stop regardless.

Yes thats my mindset and I'm not going to stop as long as sony and microsoft is around.

Well, I'm just sayin'...

If Nintendo wins, I'm preeetty sure Microsoft and Sony will still be around.

I want Nintendo to win.

Outdated hardware means that hardcore devs focus more on story, gameplay elements and mechanics, character development, dialogue, and interesting ideas making the game distinct instead of always arguing about which game looks better. It would also take 1-3 years of dev time instead of 3-5 years for a hardcore game to come out due specifically to the limits that are imposed graphically.

Wouldn't you rather have more deep and interesting games come out in a given time period rather than wait (ala PS3) for great looking games that are possibly just upgrades to games from the last 10 years (eg. Gears of War & Resistance Fall of Man been there done that, Heavenly Sword seems to emulate God of War, FFXIII if FFXII is any indication)?

The PS2 is still getting good games. This is possibly due to the combination of a large userbase (Wii is getting there) and the fact that it is so much cheaper and shorter to develop for (Wii are there).

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Who cares. Nintendo winning wont effect what type of games devs make, and what type of consoles the competition makes. SolidTy

Wrong and Wrong again.

Wow.

The Developers have the choice to make money for the PUBLISHERS or be replaced. If Pubs move to Casual (As they are cheaper to make and MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF THEY WERE BIG) then there will be MORE and MORE Casual Games on the market.

The Hardcore games won't go away, they Will simply be FEWER than they are today in that Nintendo Reigns FUTURE.

Honestly, think about it. Really.

The Answer is obvious, even if you don't want to believe it, so just go back to Mario Party 8 instead if you want to ignore this post.

UP NEXT? :

Brain Games for Wii!

Umm no hardcores and casuals will be seperated, thus stopping this crapy have mainstream half hardcore crap *RainbowSix and Oblivion for example*

Look at the DS you have casual games *Brain Age* and hardcore *Etrian Odyessy*

Actually from the looks of Japan hardcore gaming will increase due to the fact that hardcore gamers will buy a different amount of games while casuals by 3 or 4 games that appeal to them. So basically if the game isn't a brain game then it'll be for the hardcore. 

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]If nintendo wins, I'll stop gaming.Ganon_919

lol, if that's your mindset, you should stop regardless.

Yes thats my mindset and I'm not going to stop as long as sony and microsoft is around.

Well, I'm just sayin'...

If Nintendo wins, I'm preeetty sure Microsoft and Sony will still be around.

I just hope they don't go nintendos route. I refuse to buy a outdated console.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Who cares. Nintendo winning wont effect what type of games devs make, and what type of consoles the competition makes. SolidTy

Wrong and Wrong again.

Wow.

The Developers have the choice to make money for the PUBLISHERS or be replaced. If Pubs move to Casual (As they are cheaper to make and MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF THEY WERE BIG) then there will be MORE and MORE Casual Games on the market.

The Hardcore games won't go away, they Will simply be FEWER than they are today in that Nintendo Reigns FUTURE.

Honestly, think about it. Really.

The Answer is obvious, even if you don't want to believe it, so just go back to Mario Party 8 instead if you want to ignore this post.

UP NEXT? :

Brain Games for Wii!

I agree.  If publishers shift their focus to Wii-style games, then there wil be fewer developers making serious games.    I don't want to be a gamer in a low-budget minigame world where there are only a half-dozen AAA serious games a year.  I have nothing against the nintendo company, but the success of their casual game philosophy can end up being very damaging for the hardcore game industry.

I want Nintendo to win.

Outdated hardware means that hardcore devs focus more on story, gameplay elements and mechanics, character development, dialogue, and interesting ideas making the game distinct instead of always arguing about which game looks better. It would also take 1-3 years of dev time instead of 3-5 years for a hardcore game to come out due specifically to the limits that are imposed graphically.

Wouldn't you rather have more deep and interesting games come out in a given time period rather than wait (ala PS3) for great looking games that are possibly just upgrades to games from the last 10 years (eg. Gears of War & Resistance Fall of Man been there done that, Heavenly Sword seems to emulate God of War, FFXIII if FFXII is any indication)?

The PS2 is still getting good games. This is possibly due to the combination of a large userbase (Wii is getting there) and the fact that it is so much cheaper and shorter to develop for (Wii are there).

joeyg1097

Quoted for *****ing Truth

You just hit it right on the nail my friend!!!! 

[QUOTE="joeyg1097"]

I want Nintendo to win.

Outdated hardware means that hardcore devs focus more on story, gameplay elements and mechanics, character development, dialogue, and interesting ideas making the game distinct instead of always arguing about which game looks better. It would also take 1-3 years of dev time instead of 3-5 years for a hardcore game to come out due specifically to the limits that are imposed graphically.

Wouldn't you rather have more deep and interesting games come out in a given time period rather than wait (ala PS3) for great looking games that are possibly just upgrades to games from the last 10 years (eg. Gears of War & Resistance Fall of Man been there done that, Heavenly Sword seems to emulate God of War, FFXIII if FFXII is any indication)?

The PS2 is still getting good games. This is possibly due to the combination of a large userbase (Wii is getting there) and the fact that it is so much cheaper and shorter to develop for (Wii are there).

Dencore

Quoted for *****ing Truth

You just hit it right on the nail my friend!!!! 

If Nintendo wins, then it shows that their brand of low-performance casual gaming wins the market. 

Wouldn't that damage the hardcore gaming scene?  As far as I can tell, the more developers working on serious high-tech supergames, the better for the serious gamers.  I'm going to assume everyone on systemwars is passionate about videogames, and so I wonder why we aren't a little scared at a nintendo future.

osirisomeomi

Did Nintendo winning EVERY HANDHELD WAR FOR THE PAST 18 YEARS with them having worse graphics than most of the handheld competition hurt that segment of the industry? No.  So, why should it with consoles?

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"][QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]If nintendo wins, I'll stop gaming.Soulja_West

lol, if that's your mindset, you should stop regardless.

Yes thats my mindset and I'm not going to stop as long as sony and microsoft is around.

Well, I'm just sayin'...

If Nintendo wins, I'm preeetty sure Microsoft and Sony will still be around.

I just hope they don't go nintendos route. I refuse to buy a outdated console.

I wouldn't worry about that.. there's always that powerhouse of a console for you to buy.

That's not my thing though.. I won't spend over $300 on a console, so I buy them at the end of the gen.

[QUOTE="joeyg1097"]

I want Nintendo to win.

Outdated hardware means that hardcore devs focus more on story, gameplay elements and mechanics, character development, dialogue, and interesting ideas making the game distinct instead of always arguing about which game looks better. It would also take 1-3 years of dev time instead of 3-5 years for a hardcore game to come out due specifically to the limits that are imposed graphically.

Wouldn't you rather have more deep and interesting games come out in a given time period rather than wait (ala PS3) for great looking games that are possibly just upgrades to games from the last 10 years (eg. Gears of War & Resistance Fall of Man been there done that, Heavenly Sword seems to emulate God of War, FFXIII if FFXII is any indication)?

The PS2 is still getting good games. This is possibly due to the combination of a large userbase (Wii is getting there) and the fact that it is so much cheaper and shorter to develop for (Wii are there).

Dencore

Quoted for *****ing Truth

You just hit it right on the nail my friend!!!!

Quoted for Proof that Dreamers still exist in the world.

BTW : Thanks for Using QFT, I love that saying as I created it!

That is fantasy land right there, and comparing Handhelds to Consoles is a mistake if you want to talk HARDCORE Gaming, however it's great if you want to talk SALES. We are talking Hardcore Gaming.

The DS isn't a HARDCORE GAMING PLATFORM, it's a successful Handheld with a mix of both crowds, but it's like all HANDHELDS, it's a casual device. 

I could go on and on, but you guys won't get it. Bottomline, Hardcore gaming won't go away, BUT IT WILL SHRINK...to NINTENDO Proportions (Like N64. GC, DS, GBA, etc. ). 

If Sony wins, it shows that they care nothing but pushing their own media through gaming, and like to raise the costs for us and developers, that eventually lead to the gaming crash that happened back in the 80s...

If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware, and micro transactions that go from buying my characters moves to progress to the ability to save....

yoshi_64

UGGHH!!!  Now THAT is a scary thought....

which is why I will buy a PS4 over the Xbox720/1080 or whatever its called

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Who cares. Nintendo winning wont effect what type of games devs make, and what type of consoles the competition makes. osirisomeomi

Wrong and Wrong again.

Wow.

The Developers have the choice to make money for the PUBLISHERS or be replaced. If Pubs move to Casual (As they are cheaper to make and MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF THEY WERE BIG) then there will be MORE and MORE Casual Games on the market.

The Hardcore games won't go away, they Will simply be FEWER than they are today in that Nintendo Reigns FUTURE.

Honestly, think about it. Really.

The Answer is obvious, even if you don't want to believe it, so just go back to Mario Party 8 instead if you want to ignore this post.

UP NEXT? :

Brain Games for Wii!

I agree.  If publishers shift their focus to Wii-style games, then there wil be fewer developers making serious games.    I don't want to be a gamer in a low-budget minigame world where there are only a half-dozen AAA serious games a year.  I have nothing against the nintendo company, but the success of their casual game philosophy can end up being very damaging for the hardcore game industry.

[QUOTE="osirisomeomi"]

If Nintendo wins, then it shows that their brand of low-performance casual gaming wins the market.

Wouldn't that damage the hardcore gaming scene? As far as I can tell, the more developers working on serious high-tech supergames, the better for the serious gamers. I'm going to assume everyone on systemwars is passionate about videogames, and so I wonder why we aren't a little scared at a nintendo future.

AvIdGaMeR444

Did Nintendo winning EVERY HANDHELD WAR FOR THE PAST 18 YEARS with them having worse graphics than most of the handheld competition hurt that segment of the industry? No. So, why should it with consoles?

Yep. They dominated the Handhelds all right.

Who wants that Handheld Philosophy to RULE our Consoles? Raise your Hands!

*Nintendo Handheld Gamers, Sheep, and Casual Gamers do* 

That isn't what the industry may want, but right now that's what we are going to get. Is that a good thing, well according to DS lovers around the world, THAT's GREAT!

But there are MILLIONS of GAMERS THAT SHY AWAY FROM HANDHELDS FOR A REASON, and now it's in their face. 

[QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="joeyg1097"]

I want Nintendo to win.

Outdated hardware means that hardcore devs focus more on story, gameplay elements and mechanics, character development, dialogue, and interesting ideas making the game distinct instead of always arguing about which game looks better. It would also take 1-3 years of dev time instead of 3-5 years for a hardcore game to come out due specifically to the limits that are imposed graphically.

Wouldn't you rather have more deep and interesting games come out in a given time period rather than wait (ala PS3) for great looking games that are possibly just upgrades to games from the last 10 years (eg. Gears of War & Resistance Fall of Man been there done that, Heavenly Sword seems to emulate God of War, FFXIII if FFXII is any indication)?

The PS2 is still getting good games. This is possibly due to the combination of a large userbase (Wii is getting there) and the fact that it is so much cheaper and shorter to develop for (Wii are there).

SolidTy

Quoted for *****ing Truth

You just hit it right on the nail my friend!!!!

Quoted for Proof that Dreamers still exist in the world.

BTW : Thanks for Using QFT, I love that saying as I created it!

That is fantasy land right there, and comparing Handhelds to Consoles is a mistake if you want to talk HARDCORE Gaming, however it's great if you want to talk SALES. We are talking Hardcore Gaming.

The DS isn't a HARDCORE GAMING PLATFORM, it's a successful Handheld with a mix of both crowds, but it's like all HANDHELDS, it's a casual device. 

I could go on and on, but you guys won't get it. Bottomline, Hardcore gaming won't go away, BUT IT WILL SHRINK...to NINTENDO Proportions (Like N64. GC, DS, GBA, etc. ). 

[QUOTE="osirisomeomi"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Who cares. Nintendo winning wont effect what type of games devs make, and what type of consoles the competition makes. jg4xchamp

Wrong and Wrong again.

Wow.

The Developers have the choice to make money for the PUBLISHERS or be replaced. If Pubs move to Casual (As they are cheaper to make and MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF THEY WERE BIG) then there will be MORE and MORE Casual Games on the market.

The Hardcore games won't go away, they Will simply be FEWER than they are today in that Nintendo Reigns FUTURE.

Honestly, think about it. Really.

The Answer is obvious, even if you don't want to believe it, so just go back to Mario Party 8 instead if you want to ignore this post.

UP NEXT? :

Brain Games for Wii!

I agree. If publishers shift their focus to Wii-style games, then there wil be fewer developers making serious games. I don't want to be a gamer in a low-budget minigame world where there are only a half-dozen AAA serious games a year. I have nothing against the nintendo company, but the success of their casual game philosophy can end up being very damaging for the hardcore game industry.

Of Course Casuals Own the Market, but their is a NEW KIND of Casual now, a more ignorant than EVER Breed, buying the Wii....and that could potentially mean LESS RE Mainstory Games, and MORE RE SIDESTORY GAMES.
That could mean MORE Mario Party, and LESS Eternal Darkness.

Of Course Hardcore Gaming won't go away, but it will SHRINK due to the new Casual Breed. Why is this so hard to grasp?

Because you are used to gaming with NINTENDO and WAITING FOREVER FOR A GAME THAT MOVES YOU....join the rest of the Hardcore community and Buy a 360/PS3/PS2/PC/DS etc.

IF you did already do that, then their is your PROOF, the Wii simply isn't a strong enough Stand ALONE Console for a HARDCORE GAMER. 

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="joeyg1097"]

I want Nintendo to win.

Outdated hardware means that hardcore devs focus more on story, gameplay elements and mechanics, character development, dialogue, and interesting ideas making the game distinct instead of always arguing about which game looks better. It would also take 1-3 years of dev time instead of 3-5 years for a hardcore game to come out due specifically to the limits that are imposed graphically.

Wouldn't you rather have more deep and interesting games come out in a given time period rather than wait (ala PS3) for great looking games that are possibly just upgrades to games from the last 10 years (eg. Gears of War & Resistance Fall of Man been there done that, Heavenly Sword seems to emulate God of War, FFXIII if FFXII is any indication)?

The PS2 is still getting good games. This is possibly due to the combination of a large userbase (Wii is getting there) and the fact that it is so much cheaper and shorter to develop for (Wii are there).

jg4xchamp

Quoted for *****ing Truth

You just hit it right on the nail my friend!!!!

Quoted for Proof that Dreamers still exist in the world.

BTW : Thanks for Using QFT, I love that saying as I created it!

That is fantasy land right there, and comparing Handhelds to Consoles is a mistake if you want to talk HARDCORE Gaming, however it's great if you want to talk SALES. We are talking Hardcore Gaming.

The DS isn't a HARDCORE GAMING PLATFORM, it's a successful Handheld with a mix of both crowds, but it's like all HANDHELDS, it's a casual device.

I could go on and on, but you guys won't get it. Bottomline, Hardcore gaming won't go away, BUT IT WILL SHRINK...to NINTENDO Proportions (Like N64. GC, DS, GBA, etc. ).

And if they sell, what do you think PUBS will do?

"Let me get this straight, I can make a CHEAP, CHEAP Game for thousands and make MILLIONS on this system? Where do I sign up?"

PUBLISHERS WILL LOVE IT....assuming they sell of course. 

That is fantasy land right there, and comparing Handhelds to Consoles is a mistake if you want to talk HARDCORE Gaming, however it's great if you want to talk SALES. We are talking Hardcore Gaming.

SolidTy

How can you possibly dictate what Hardcore gaming is to other gamers? You simply can't. Example:   

"The DS isn't a HARDCORE GAMING PLATFORM, it's a successful Handheld with a mix of both crowds, but it's like all HANDHELDS, it's a casual device."

Are you saying that there is no hardcore projects at all for the handheld? Well then, we just have a different opinion. 

I could go on and on, but you guys won't get it. Bottomline, Hardcore gaming won't go away, BUT IT WILL SHRINK...to NINTENDO Proportions (Like N64. GC, DS, GBA, etc. ).

SolidTy

Please do try me.  

Quoted for Proof that Dreamers still exist in the world.

BTW : Thanks for Using QFT, I love that saying as I created it!

That is fantasy land right there, and comparing Handhelds to Consoles is a mistake if you want to talk HARDCORE Gaming, however it's great if you want to talk SALES. We are talking Hardcore Gaming.

The DS isn't a HARDCORE GAMING PLATFORM, it's a successful Handheld with a mix of both crowds, but it's like all HANDHELDS, it's a casual device.

I could go on and on, but you guys won't get it. Bottomline, Hardcore gaming won't go away, BUT IT WILL SHRINK...to NINTENDO Proportions (Like N64. GC, DS, GBA, etc. ).

 

SolidTy

Fantasy land it's called the SNES, Genesis, Dreamcast, and DS. And you just prooved yourself wrong with that underlined statement, plus how do you explain hardcore gaming growing again in Japan?

GunSmith1_basic

True, I know I will get flamed for this but games today suck. It seems that every game has no skill and involves you shooitng something in the head, something done FAR better on the PC. I'm going to get flamed for this but I don't give a crap Rainbow Six *Play anyother of the series to see why*, Jak and Daxtar *platformer my butt* , Def Jam Icon, these games aren't good games they are just solely built on presentation and have no meat as in skill or depth or level design. Odin Sphere, Okami, and Red Star these are the real games that deserve to get attention, but due to the fact of mass hype and pretty effects they become unnoticed. See if dev costs were cheaper it wouldn't have mattered since they companies still would've made at least some amount of profit, but due to high dev costs they didn't *except Odin Sphere*

Of Course Casuals Own the Market, but their is a NEW KIND of Casual now, a more ignorant than EVER Breed, buying the Wii....and that could potentially mean LESS RE Mainstory Games, and MORE RE SIDESTORY GAMES.
That could mean MORE Mario Party, and LESS Eternal Darkness.

Of Course Hardcore Gaming won't go away, but it will SHRINK due to the new Casual Breed. Why is this so hard to grasp?

Because you are used to gaming with NINTENDO and WAITING FOREVER FOR A GAME THAT MOVES YOU....join the rest of the Hardcore community and Buy a 360/PS3/PS2/PC/DS etc.

IF you did already do that, then their is your PROOF, the Wii simply isn't a strong enough Stand ALONE Console for a HARDCORE GAMER.

SolidTy

How are they more ignorant if they base their purchases on games they think are "fun" instead of ones that they think are "cool" because they have guns in them? :?

"Let me get this straight, I can make a CHEAP, CHEAP Game for thousands and make MILLIONS on this system? Where do I sign up?"

PUBLISHERS WILL LOVE IT....assuming they sell of course.

SolidTy

WTF? These "cheap" games have always been avalible. Shoot-em-ups? 2D Fighters? Don't get me started. If you ask me the cheap way would be just advertising your game alot and fueling it with presentation instead of sitting down and trying to make it fun and skillful. And if the "less cheap" as you call them games sell, that means publishers will make those. Why? Simple what sounds better to you creating a game with a $500,000 budget and drawing in $8 million in cash, or creating a game with a $4 million budget and drawing in $60 million in cash?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="osirisomeomi"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Who cares. Nintendo winning wont effect what type of games devs make, and what type of consoles the competition makes. SolidTy

Wrong and Wrong again.

Wow.

The Developers have the choice to make money for the PUBLISHERS or be replaced. If Pubs move to Casual (As they are cheaper to make and MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF THEY WERE BIG) then there will be MORE and MORE Casual Games on the market.

The Hardcore games won't go away, they Will simply be FEWER than they are today in that Nintendo Reigns FUTURE.

Honestly, think about it. Really.

The Answer is obvious, even if you don't want to believe it, so just go back to Mario Party 8 instead if you want to ignore this post.

UP NEXT? :

Brain Games for Wii!

I agree. If publishers shift their focus to Wii-style games, then there wil be fewer developers making serious games. I don't want to be a gamer in a low-budget minigame world where there are only a half-dozen AAA serious games a year. I have nothing against the nintendo company, but the success of their casual game philosophy can end up being very damaging for the hardcore game industry.

Of Course Casuals Own the Market, but their is a NEW KIND of Casual now, a more ignorant than EVER Breed, buying the Wii....and that could potentially mean LESS RE Mainstory Games, and MORE RE SIDESTORY GAMES.
That could mean MORE Mario Party, and LESS Eternal Darkness.

Of Course Hardcore Gaming won't go away, but it will SHRINK due to the new Casual Breed. Why is this so hard to grasp?

Because you are used to gaming with NINTENDO and WAITING FOREVER FOR A GAME THAT MOVES YOU....join the rest of the Hardcore community and Buy a 360/PS3/PS2/PC/DS etc.

IF you did already do that, then their is your PROOF, the Wii simply isn't a strong enough Stand ALONE Console for a HARDCORE GAMER. 

If Sony wins, it shows that they care nothing but pushing their own media through gaming, and like to raise the costs for us and developers, that eventually lead to the gaming crash that happened back in the 80s...

If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware, and micro transactions that go from buying my characters moves to progress to the ability to save....

yoshi_64

1. Why do you think 3rd parties dislike Nintendo?

2.  Oooh, formats, like the Wii has done any better in that regard.  Nintendo historically has always been behind in the format war.

Thus, the company with the best games should win.  Hardware and formats matter little if there is nothing supporting them.  

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"]

If Sony wins, it shows that they care nothing but pushing their own media through gaming, and like to raise the costs for us and developers, that eventually lead to the gaming crash that happened back in the 80s...

If MS wins, it means we'll be seeing more behind the times format for gaming, shoddy hardware, and micro transactions that go from buying my characters moves to progress to the ability to save....

Tungsten88

1. Why do you think 3rd parties dislike Nintendo?

2.  Oooh, formats, like the Wii has done any better in that regard.  Nintendo historically has always been behind in the format war.

Thus, the company with the best games should win.  Hardware and formats matter little if there is nothing supporting them.  

The Wii uses the same media as the 360 does, dual layer DVD9 technology. There is lots of potential for the Wii to get big long games, which might not have the same visual aspect as what you will find on the 360, if developers took the time with games, they could make titles that look appealing and are far above current Wii games as well as have new ideas set into motion.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="osirisomeomi"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Who cares. Nintendo winning wont effect what type of games devs make, and what type of consoles the competition makes. jg4xchamp

Wrong and Wrong again.

Wow.

The Developers have the choice to make money for the PUBLISHERS or be replaced. If Pubs move to Casual (As they are cheaper to make and MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF THEY WERE BIG) then there will be MORE and MORE Casual Games on the market.

The Hardcore games won't go away, they Will simply be FEWER than they are today in that Nintendo Reigns FUTURE.

Honestly, think about it. Really.

The Answer is obvious, even if you don't want to believe it, so just go back to Mario Party 8 instead if you want to ignore this post.

UP NEXT? :

Brain Games for Wii!

I agree. If publishers shift their focus to Wii-style games, then there wil be fewer developers making serious games. I don't want to be a gamer in a low-budget minigame world where there are only a half-dozen AAA serious games a year. I have nothing against the nintendo company, but the success of their casual game philosophy can end up being very damaging for the hardcore game industry.

Of Course Casuals Own the Market, but their is a NEW KIND of Casual now, a more ignorant than EVER Breed, buying the Wii....and that could potentially mean LESS RE Mainstory Games, and MORE RE SIDESTORY GAMES.
That could mean MORE Mario Party, and LESS Eternal Darkness.

Of Course Hardcore Gaming won't go away, but it will SHRINK due to the new Casual Breed. Why is this so hard to grasp?

Because you are used to gaming with NINTENDO and WAITING FOREVER FOR A GAME THAT MOVES YOU....join the rest of the Hardcore community and Buy a 360/PS3/PS2/PC/DS etc.

IF you did already do that, then their is your PROOF, the Wii simply isn't a strong enough Stand ALONE Console for a HARDCORE GAMER.

There are TONS of GTA ripoffs.  GTA has labeled an entire genre of sandbox adventure.  Another example is the godfather games.  also, mercenaries, scarface, crackdown, true crime series, the getaway series etc etc etc.  They now make up a noticeable part of gaming.  REosurces have been diverted towards these kinds of games from other kinds of games.  I have no problem ith this, since i like these games, but the parallel with the nintendo wii casual games is scary.

Gran Turismo spawned a lotta driving simulation games, too. 

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="osirisomeomi"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Who cares. Nintendo winning wont effect what type of games devs make, and what type of consoles the competition makes. osirisomeomi

Wrong and Wrong again.

Wow.

The Developers have the choice to make money for the PUBLISHERS or be replaced. If Pubs move to Casual (As they are cheaper to make and MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IF THEY WERE BIG) then there will be MORE and MORE Casual Games on the market.

The Hardcore games won't go away, they Will simply be FEWER than they are today in that Nintendo Reigns FUTURE.

Honestly, think about it. Really.

The Answer is obvious, even if you don't want to believe it, so just go back to Mario Party 8 instead if you want to ignore this post.

UP NEXT? :

Brain Games for Wii!

I agree. If publishers shift their focus to Wii-style games, then there wil be fewer developers making serious games. I don't want to be a gamer in a low-budget minigame world where there are only a half-dozen AAA serious games a year. I have nothing against the nintendo company, but the success of their casual game philosophy can end up being very damaging for the hardcore game industry.

Of Course Casuals Own the Market, but their is a NEW KIND of Casual now, a more ignorant than EVER Breed, buying the Wii....and that could potentially mean LESS RE Mainstory Games, and MORE RE SIDESTORY GAMES.
That could mean MORE Mario Party, and LESS Eternal Darkness.

Of Course Hardcore Gaming won't go away, but it will SHRINK due to the new Casual Breed. Why is this so hard to grasp?

Because you are used to gaming with NINTENDO and WAITING FOREVER FOR A GAME THAT MOVES YOU....join the rest of the Hardcore community and Buy a 360/PS3/PS2/PC/DS etc.

IF you did already do that, then their is your PROOF, the Wii simply isn't a strong enough Stand ALONE Console for a HARDCORE GAMER.

There are TONS of GTA ripoffs.  GTA has labeled an entire genre of sandbox adventure.  Another example is the godfather games.  also, mercenaries, scarface, crackdown, true crime series, the getaway series etc etc etc.  They now make up a noticeable part of gaming.  REosurces have been diverted towards these kinds of games from other kinds of games.  I have no problem ith this, since i like these games, but the parallel with the nintendo wii casual games is scary.

Gran Turismo spawned a lotta driving simulation games, too. 

oh god, there is so much ignorance in this thread....

why do ppl act like nintendo will destroy gaming?? 

If nintendo wins, I'll stop gaming.Soulja_West

Going to the extreme there are we? Kinda reminds me of Bad_Robot when he said he would leave GS forever if Kingdom Hearts II got lower than 9.0 :lol:

But yeah, saying that is like saying, "If the PS2 attracts casuals, I will quit gaming forever" which it infact, did. Most people won't accept it, but the PS2 was more of a casual console than the Wii will ever be.

If Nintendo wins, then it shows that their brand of low-performance casual gaming wins the market. 

Wouldn't that damage the hardcore gaming scene?  As far as I can tell, the more developers working on serious high-tech supergames, the better for the serious gamers.  I'm going to assume everyone on systemwars is passionate about videogames, and so I wonder why we aren't a little scared at a nintendo future.

osirisomeomi

They will win but they wont dominate like sony did so no worries. There is still a huge market for hardcore games.

HELL NO! Nintendo should NOT win. And they won't either, they won't win in the long run. Don't even bring up the DS because we aren't talking about the HANDHELD market here.SergeantSnitch

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]If nintendo wins, I'll stop gaming.glitchgeeman

Going to the extreme there are we? Kinda reminds me of Bad_Robot when he said he would leave GS forever if Kingdom Hearts II got lower than 9.0 :lol:

But yeah, saying that is like saying, "If the PS2 attracts casuals, I will quit gaming forever" which it infact, did. Most people won't accept it, but the PS2 was more of a casual console than the Wii will ever be.

No it wasnt it had a tone of real games. So far the Wii has one desent real game and its a last gen port.

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but its not as significant to be the armageddon of gaming. holy crap why is everyone not realising that. the top selling game on the wii is Zelda TP. wii sports and wii play dont count since thats all japanes mostly and wii sports is bundled in the US, and wii play is basically a wiimote with a game. zelda and spm are the wiis big sellers. with rayman and redsteel and warioware. thats 3 regular games to 2 minigames. spm and zelda sold more. Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Smashbros. brawl will sell more as well. if Soul Caliber Legends is good, it will sell. if Nights, RE umbrella chronicles is good it will sell, if DQ swords is good it will sell.jg4xchamp

Anyway, I agree with you here. People are taking this was too much out of porportion. I mean, people here are acting as if the apocalypse of gaming was coming. I mean, I don't remember too well, but I know some people thought that with GTA, gaming would go downhill. Did it? Hell no. I personally don't see how people can't get that. GTA, Sony, MS, etc. did not kill gaming, why is Nintendo going to?

[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]HELL NO! Nintendo should NOT win. And they won't either, they won't win in the long run. Don't even bring up the DS because we aren't talking about the HANDHELD market here.DarkStar_109

he's still bitter about the forza 2 ownage...dont blame him  

[QUOTE="glitchgeeman"]

[QUOTE="Soulja_West"]If nintendo wins, I'll stop gaming.TOAO_Cyrus1

Going to the extreme there are we? Kinda reminds me of Bad_Robot when he said he would leave GS forever if Kingdom Hearts II got lower than 9.0 :lol:

But yeah, saying that is like saying, "If the PS2 attracts casuals, I will quit gaming forever" which it infact, did. Most people won't accept it, but the PS2 was more of a casual console than the Wii will ever be.

No it wasnt it had a tone of real games. So far the Wii has one desent real game and its a last gen port.

Well, if I distinctly recall, the PS2 barely had anything in its first year. In fact, last gen, most people were like, "lolz, PS2 has no games!!one11"

I think we all saw how that turned out. :P