Do You Actually Believe Microsoft Cares About You? UPDATED

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I don't know about the numbers, but at launch the numbers were abysmal. Probably over 50%. Of course, with the slim, and the jasper chipset, those problems have decreased Dramatically. The slim can't get RROD.

theuncharted34

never said we did have the numbers. But it was bad.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="cainetao11"] Oh the Irony!!!LOLcainetao11

i don't get it :?

I pity the foo! ... that was the point :P

[QUOTE="chase_arizona"]

[QUOTE="Anastasia1997"] How is that made up? Judging by your last reference to gameinformer, gameinformer stated that at one time, 360's failure rates were 56%, so what? BTW, IDC about a few 360/PC titles that 360 has a bit more access to, since PS3's upcoming list of exclusives completely decimates 360'sAnastasia1997

Don't use a survey for a failure rate. Pulling numbers out your ass is probably more reliable.

It's ok.

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[QUOTE="Anastasia1997"]

Nah, its just that SONY doesnt sell you faulty hardware and charges outrageous prices for accessories, and SONY doesnt force on you a 60 dollar subscription just to play online. BTW, instead of that bias misinformation in your sig, why dont you change to something truthful, like " For every controller based exclusive for 360, there is 10 more for PS3's upcoming line up" :lol:theuncharted34

Sony's PS2 and PS3 had hardware issues (perhaps not as high in percentage as the 360's earlier models, but my refurb PS3 agrees with me that they do have issues), and they have sold high priced accessories ever since the PS1. Not sure what you are talking about.

off topic, but when you make a gif at gif soup, where do you put the file in your profile to see it in the forums? and do you use the forum code?

I put it in the sig part of my profile, and i used the direct link code i believe.

With a price increase and refusing to sell their consoles to the military, do you, as a consumerist and a supporter for Microsoft, actually believe they care about you? Please list/state your reason(s). PS3 owners surely have reasons to know sony cares about them: free online, a new rewards program, free DLC (im sure Microsoft might have that too). So does M$ care about you? Probably not, but I would love to hear your justifications

suitmypants

Microsoft is one of the companies in the world with most expertice in milking and lying to their customers so I say they do care that you fall for their hype.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Microsoft is one of the companies in the world with most expertice in milking and lying to their customers so I say they do care that you fall for their hype.alexside1

[QUOTE="suitmypants"]

With a price increase and refusing to sell their consoles to the military, do you, as a consumerist and a supporter for Microsoft, actually believe they care about you? Please list/state your reason(s). PS3 owners surely have reasons to know sony cares about them: free online, a new rewards program, free DLC (im sure Microsoft might have that too). So does M$ care about you? Probably not, but I would love to hear your justifications

gamer620

I remember when they announced that the audience was crickets.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Microsoft is one of the companies in the world with most expertice in milking and lying to their customers so I say they do care that you fall for their hype.kuraimen

Microsoft is one of the companies in the world with most expertice in milking and lying to their customers so I say they do care that you fall for their hype.kuraimen

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] There's many ways to lie and mislead. That's why I said Microsoft are experts at it.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Microsoft is one of the companies in the world with most expertice in milking and lying to their customers so I say they do care that you fall for their hype.kyacat

[QUOTE="kyacat"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Microsoft is one of the companies in the world with most expertice in milking and lying to their customers so I say they do care that you fall for their hype.alexside1

They probably do, but not as much as the othershoplayletsplay

My only experience with MS itself were the instances when I needed to activate/reactivate any of the following:

Flight Simulator X

Windows Vista and 7

Office 2007 Enterprise Edition

They were very courteous and accommodating even when my previous PC was in its death throes (last year) and I had to keep installing/reinstalling the above repeatedly within a short period of time.

In that respect, they were pretty good..... Actually, pretty darn good from my perspective.

Edit: There were times in the past when I ripped MS a new one. But lately, they've been on a roll as far as support goes.

""Feelings can't be rational.""

um..yes they can...Rationality is entirely based upon the situation your in...when you have no proof, no reason for it and you blantantly hate on something then your irational.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="alexside1"] Heck, every company dose this at one point in time or another.alexside1

With a price increase and refusing to sell their consoles to the military, do you, as a consumerist and a supporter for Microsoft, actually believe they care about you? Please list/state your reason(s). PS3 owners surely have reasons to know sony cares about them: free online, a new rewards program, free DLC (im sure Microsoft might have that too). So does M$ care about you? Probably not, but I would love to hear your justifications

suitmypants

At least MS care to donate hundreds of millions of dollars each year to schools and charity. What do Sony care? Have they ever donated to schools or charity before?

"Microsoft's 2008 donations: almost $500 million

Whatever your opinion of Microsoft, you can't deny that it keeps up its public appearance when it comes to donations. In 2007, the software giant managed to donate $432 million throughout the year. This year, the company gave away $498 million, according to information that blogger Joseph Tartakoff got from a Microsoft spokeswoman. Those numbers include cash donations, as well as matching employee efforts (in the US, Microsoft matches employee donations up to $12,000 a year and donates $17 for every hour an employee volunteers with a nonprofit organization"

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2008/12/microsofts-2008-donations-almost-500-million.ars

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Not in the level Microsoft does it. If Sony did it in the same level I wouldn't be buying from them either.WilliamRLBaker

Damn, he takes this video game stuff seriously.

[QUOTE="suitmypants"]

With a price increase and refusing to sell their consoles to the military, do you, as a consumerist and a supporter for Microsoft, actually believe they care about you? Please list/state your reason(s). PS3 owners surely have reasons to know sony cares about them: free online, a new rewards program, free DLC (im sure Microsoft might have that too). So does M$ care about you? Probably not, but I would love to hear your justifications

At least MS care to donate hundreds of millions of dollars each year to schools and charity. What do Sony care? Have they ever donated to schools or charity before?

"Microsoft's 2008 donations: almost $500 million

Whatever your opinion of Microsoft, you can't deny that it keeps up its public appearance when it comes to donations. In 2007, the software giant managed to donate $432 million throughout the year. This year, the company gave away $498 million, according to information that blogger Joseph Tartakoff got from a Microsoft spokeswoman. Those numbers include cash donations, as well as matching employee efforts (in the US, Microsoft matches employee donations up to $12,000 a year and donates $17 for every hour an employee volunteers with a nonprofit organization"

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2008/12/microsofts-2008-donations-almost-500-million.ars

No.

Then again, neither do Sony or Nintendo. No company "cares" about you. They only want what's in your wallet and nothing more.

They care as much as Nintendo or Sony, which is as long as they can get money in change of said "care'.

Also, Sony didn't make online free on the PS3 because they care and love you, but because charging for it would have been suicidal after such a launch price.

People have been missing my point.

I know companies care about money and money only. I wasn't expecting Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo to ship me a condolence card when my grandmother died.

Butwhat(notice that I have stress the emphasis on what) has Microsoft done to make you feel like they actually care? Sony has released a new rewards program for its members, stuck with the free online service (despite rumors that they were going to go p2p because of the profit in the market), and they offer free DLCs (though I am sure Microsoft does this too).

So with that said,whathas Microsoft done to make you feel like they actuallycare?

[QUOTE="suitmypants"]

With a price increase and refusing to sell their consoles to the military, do you, as a consumerist and a supporter for Microsoft, actually believe they care about you? Please list/state your reason(s). PS3 owners surely have reasons to know sony cares about them: free online, a new rewards program, free DLC (im sure Microsoft might have that too). So does M$ care about you? Probably not, but I would love to hear your justifications

bez2083

Do you believe the Redskins care about you? As crappy as they've been? Especially with that effort on the field today? I'd like to hear your justifications on that, good sir....:lol:

No, but seriously, as long as I am satisfied with the product as an end user........the bleep do I care? As long as no harm is coming to any other human being directly because of their profits........

Microsoft has showed me that they dont even care about making money either since they increased the price of Xbox Live Gold. I didnt renew my subscription and therefore have less reason to play my Xbox 360, so in the long term Microsoft is making less money because of their decisions in that regard. A $10 price decrease would show that they care enough to want to keep my business, but a $10 increase is just plain greed. I've actually spent more time playing the Wii, lol, thats sad.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="Anastasia1997"] Nah, its just that SONY doesnt sell you faulty hardware and charges outrageous prices for accessories, and SONY doesnt force on you a 60 dollar subscription just to play online. BTW, instead of that bias misinformation in your sig, why dont you change to something truthful, like " For every controller based exclusive for 360, there is 10 more for PS3's upcoming line up" :lol:

Anastasia1997

No corporation cares about us.

Jesus_on_fire

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="Anastasia1997"] Ummm what about it is dumb? WTH are you so rude? Anastasia1997

They don't sell what? Have you never heard of last gen's DRE fiasco with Sony? Take off the rose colored glasses, dude.cainetao11

Do you have sources for the percentages you used? I believe you're getting the 56% from an online survey that anyone could take place in whether they have a 360 or not, so that's not really a reliable source. Where you got the 10% from I'm not really sure.soulitane

No corporation cares about us.

Jesus_on_fire

NEWSFLASH: No gaming company cares about YOU not just MS. They first priority is to make money.

People have been missing my point.

I know companies care about money and money only. I wasn't expecting Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo to ship me a condolence card when my grandmother died.

Butwhat(notice that I have stress the emphasis on what) has Microsoft done to make you feel like they actually care? Sony has released a new rewards program for its members, stuck with the free online service (despite rumors that they were going to go p2p because of the profit in the market), and they offer free DLCs (though I am sure Microsoft does this too).

So with that said,whathas Microsoft done to make you feel like they actuallycare?

suitmypants

1. Sony stuck with free online as a business decision, it differentiates them, the company with the smallest market share in the home console market, from Microsoft, their next closest competitor. It had nothing to do with you outside of trying to keep you buying. And I still suspect PSN Plus is the forerunner of paying to play online, coming to a PS4 near you.

2. Yes, MS does\has offered free DLCs, Yes MS does have rewards promotions.

3. MS has never for instance, tried to price me out of the market by releasing a $600 console, in an attempt to become the default console by rapidly winning a format war (Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD), rather than earning its place as the default console by ensuring that it has the most good games.

4. MS has continuously and steadily provided good games, new services (especially for gold members), and new features to their console. That doesn't mean they care about me, but it does mean I care about their product.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Anastasia1997"]BTW, back to your post The RROD was so terrible (At a 56% failure rate), that if MS didnt do that, the Xbox360 would have automatically failed as a console. the Disk reading errors of the PS2 were at most 10%, if ever near that percentageAnastasia1997

People have been missing my point.

I know companies care about money and money only. I wasn't expecting Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo to ship me a condolence card when my grandmother died.

Butwhat(notice that I have stress the emphasis on what) has Microsoft done to make you feel like they actually care? Sony has released a new rewards program for its members, stuck with the free online service (despite rumors that they were going to go p2p because of the profit in the market), and they offer free DLCs (though I am sure Microsoft does this too).

So with that said,whathas Microsoft done to make you feel like they actuallycare?

suitmypants

1.Psn is largely based on client server ""p2p"...Please understand the nature of a gaming service and what it uses before you start spouting disinformation. The majority of online games on the ps3 are client server based not dedicated server. The majority of games on xbox live are client server based not dedicated server. Please do not claim in the future that Sony was rumored to change too it as though some how they were using dedicated servers only.

2. Microsoft offers free avatars, free dlc, free themes, free games and they have a rewards program. *even though I dislike the rewards program, so far its better then what Sony offers in its rewards program*

3.Sony stuck with free because they have no way to charge, The service is not only inferior in every way they are 5 years into the generation no ones gonna stand for a service just up and going charge.

If we're talking games then yes Microsoft doesnt care about its real consumers, gamers. Not a bunch of 12 year olds dancing around playing with tigers.

"Enjoy all this casual Kinect crap we release next year."

No thanks MS, Gears 3 and Forza 4 are the only real games coming out next year, thats why i said goodbye 360. Honestly thought the Wii wouldve been my 1st console sold.

If Sony and Nintendo didnt care on the level M$ is heading then 2011 would be the year of the shovelware instead of all the awesome games coming out (well Nintendo not so much but they are excused for a killer 2010 and its Zelda so thats plenty enough)