Do you guys realize what paying for XBL is?

[QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_ WINDOWS HAS A VERSION OF LIVE. LIVE ANYWHERE, WORKS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR FREE. How many times must it be said? Geez.Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_ WINDOWS HAS A VERSION OF LIVE. LIVE ANYWHERE, WORKS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR FREE. How many times must it be said? Geez.S0DA_POPINSKI

Whats funny is you hear almost no one who has Live complain about the price. Its only people who dont. I've played online PC games before. So has a couple of my friends. And they both love what Live offers. Its like "LIVE ISNT WORTH THE MONEY BECAUSE BLAH BLAH BLAH" but almost everyone who has live says its well worth it. S0DA_POPINSKI

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_ WINDOWS HAS A VERSION OF LIVE. LIVE ANYWHERE, WORKS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR FREE. How many times must it be said? Geez.S0DA_POPINSKI

[QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_ WINDOWS HAS A VERSION OF LIVE. LIVE ANYWHERE, WORKS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR FREE. How many times must it be said? Geez.cobrax25

Xbox Live experiences come to Windows-based PCs. Gamers will have the ability to jack into the vibrant Xbox Live world from their Windows-based PCs early next year to play games with friends. Answering the call of millions of Windows gamers for a world that is always on, the Xbox Live experience on Windows will give gamers a consistent online game experience in which they have one identity, one friends list, one set of achievements and voice communications across all games on the network. These experiences will debut on Windows with the Windows Vista™ operating system and “Shadowrun™” this winter.

Now I understand that this is from the M$ website so its bias, but the demand for a windows live came from somewhere. I dont care what you say about live. Almost every live gamer I have read or talk to say the service is worth it. Its people that dont play it that complain about the price. XBL ='s the **** and is worth the $4 a month.

[QUOTE="danabo"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="danabo"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="air0123"]PC's big online games cost money, WoW, Ever quest.danabo

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="danabo"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="air0123"]PC's big online games cost money, WoW, Ever quest.danabo

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_ WINDOWS HAS A VERSION OF LIVE. LIVE ANYWHERE, WORKS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR FREE. How many times must it be said? Geez.S0DA_POPINSKI

dont include "we" in that statment.  I am a PC gamer, I still paly my PC most and spend most that time online.  I also have XBL and think its worth it.

Technicly I would be a Hermit for sure... I still think XBL is worth it, change that we to an I.. becouse I deffinatly disagree with you.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_ WINDOWS HAS A VERSION OF LIVE. LIVE ANYWHERE, WORKS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR FREE. How many times must it be said? Geez.S0DA_POPINSKI

Xbox Live experiences come to Windows-based PCs. Gamers will have the ability to jack into the vibrant Xbox Live world from their Windows-based PCs early next year to play games with friends. Answering the call of millions of Windows gamers for a world that is always on, the Xbox Live experience on Windows will give gamers a consistent online game experience in which they have one identity, one friends list, one set of achievements and voice communications across all games on the network. These experiences will debut on Windows with the Windows Vista™ operating system and “Shadowrun™” this winter.

Now I understand that this is from the M$ website so its bias, but the demand for a windows live came from somewhere. I dont care what you say about live. Almost every live gamer I have read or talk to say the service is worth it. Its people that dont play it that complain about the price. XBL ='s the **** and is worth the $4 a month.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="S0DA_POPINSKI"][QUOTE="Danm_ WINDOWS HAS A VERSION OF LIVE. LIVE ANYWHERE, WORKS EXACTLY THE SAME FOR FREE. How many times must it be said? Geez.S0DA_POPINSKI

Xbox Live experiences come to Windows-based PCs. Gamers will have the ability to jack into the vibrant Xbox Live world from their Windows-based PCs early next year to play games with friends. Answering the call of millions of Windows gamers for a world that is always on, the Xbox Live experience on Windows will give gamers a consistent online game experience in which they have one identity, one friends list, one set of achievements and voice communications across all games on the network. These experiences will debut on Windows with the Windows Vista™ operating system and “Shadowrun™” this winter.

Now I understand that this is from the M$ website so its bias, but the demand for a windows live came from somewhere. I dont care what you say about live. Almost every live gamer I have read or talk to say the service is worth it. Its people that dont play it that complain about the price. XBL ='s the **** and is worth the $4 a month.

All the stuff you get on Gold is the same as Silver except playing online, and we pay 50 bucks a year, so developers get an online that they don't have to work their asses off to get up and running.

Guess_With_ReX

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]Err, developers have managed to provide online services for free without major incident for nearly a decade.cobrax25

You do realize people have to pay for gaming servers?

GUYS GUYS GUYS !!!!

Calm down and listen. Its $4 a month and it blows away anything that has ever been on consoles. Its awesome, its easy to use, its worth it. I probally loose $4 a month in change. $4 a month isnt even a beer and tip in the bar. Its $4. a month. Fine you guys dont think its worth it. But I will just state that I think you are wrong. And what I think is funny is that you play on PC. With the extra $600- ???? you pay a over console, you really wouldnt think $4 is that much money.

[QUOTE="danabo"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="danabo"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="rhaigun"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="air0123"]PC's big online games cost money, WoW, Ever quest.danabo

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Err, developers have managed to provide online services for free without major incident for nearly a decade.PS3_3DO

You do realize people have to pay for gaming servers?

No he doesnt.  A lot of people dont seem to realize what goes into making a really great public server.  I do... I may only throw 5 bucks towards my community servers on PC every few months, but I always do, becouse I appreciate how well they are run and moderated.  It does cost money and I am happy to pitch in with my fav. community servers.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Err, developers have managed to provide online services for free without major incident for nearly a decade.PS3_3DO

You do realize people have to pay for gaming servers?

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Err, developers have managed to provide online services for free without major incident for nearly a decade.Coyo7e

You do realize people have to pay for gaming servers?

No he doesnt. A lot of people dont seem to realize what goes into making a really great public server. I do... I may only throw 5 bucks towards my community servers on PC every few months, but I always do, becouse I appreciate how well they are run and moderated. It does cost money and I am happy to pitch in with my fav. community servers.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Err, developers have managed to provide online services for free without major incident for nearly a decade.danabo

You do realize people have to pay for gaming servers?

No he doesnt. A lot of people dont seem to realize what goes into making a really great public server. I do... I may only throw 5 bucks towards my community servers on PC every few months, but I always do, becouse I appreciate how well they are run and moderated. It does cost money and I am happy to pitch in with my fav. community servers.

Go look up the costs of Battlefield 2 or 2142 gaming servers. You can't run a 64 player server without a lots of bandwidth.  To say PC gaming is free is misleading.

[QUOTE="danabo"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Err, developers have managed to provide online services for free without major incident for nearly a decade.PS3_3DO

You do realize people have to pay for gaming servers?

No he doesnt. A lot of people dont seem to realize what goes into making a really great public server. I do... I may only throw 5 bucks towards my community servers on PC every few months, but I always do, becouse I appreciate how well they are run and moderated. It does cost money and I am happy to pitch in with my fav. community servers.

Go look up the costs of Battlefield 2 or 2142 gaming servers. You can't run a 64 player server without a lots of bandwidth. To say PC gaming is free is misleading.

Right.

[QUOTE="TheGameWizard04"]We still have to remember that we don't have to pay for XBL. I agree with a lot of points you guys have XBL has come along way since the 360 launch. But these are the reasons why I pay for XBL:

- We can have braggin' rights and switch games on the fly (no installations)
- Download retro and new age games from arcade
- No more Carpol Tunnel for me :0p
- Now we can download movies without leaving home.
- Play demos before I buy the game.
- Watch trailers
- Avoid people who are annoying

Yes all the things are free when you game online with a PC. But a lot of us don't play PC games that often or don't play them at all. MS will continue to update their product, because it's what we pay for
danabo

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"][QUOTE="danabo"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]Err, developers have managed to provide online services for free without major incident for nearly a decade.danabo

You do realize people have to pay for gaming servers?

No he doesnt. A lot of people dont seem to realize what goes into making a really great public server. I do... I may only throw 5 bucks towards my community servers on PC every few months, but I always do, becouse I appreciate how well they are run and moderated. It does cost money and I am happy to pitch in with my fav. community servers.

Go look up the costs of Battlefield 2 or 2142 gaming servers. You can't run a 64 player server without a lots of bandwidth. To say PC gaming is free is misleading.

Yep its not free.  I will say this though... nothing can touch my community run servers.

A great community server makes all the differance in the world. 

A great example is my CoD2 server that run the anarchy mod and leaves freindly fire on.  Its a 32 player server and the number of team kills is amazingly low... griefers maybe last 10 minutes on that server but I never actually get online and run into them, they are dealt with switfly.

There is no way you could get away with leaving FF on with a console game... the greifing would never stop.

Props to the people who run these servers for us.

All the stuff you get on Gold is the same as Silver except playing online, and we pay 50 bucks a year, so developers get an online that they don't have to work their asses off to get up and running.

Guess_With_ReX

All the stuff you get on Gold is the same as Silver except playing online, and we pay 50 bucks a year, so developers get an online that they don't have to work their asses off to get up and running.

Guess_With_ReX

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]Err, developers have managed to provide online services for free without major incident for nearly a decade.Guess_With_ReX

as sega said the wanted each verison to have its own cool feature ie ps3 gets sixaxis support 360 gets online

what i think is Microsoft maybe have dropped a bag of money at segas door step

[QUOTE="rhaigun"]

You guys can bash it all you want. I have no problem paying for it because I know what I'm getting. If I didn't think it was worth $4 a month, I wouldn't pay for it. The whole expierience is better than anything I've ever played on PC. It's not just words flashing across a screen. It's a person I'm talking to, laughing with or cussing at. It evokes emotions I'll never get out of a keyboard.

Live is the definitive way to play multiplayer.

Danm_999

[QUOTE="Guess_With_ReX"]

All the stuff you get on Gold is the same as Silver except playing online, and we pay 50 bucks a year, so developers get an online that they don't have to work their asses off to get up and running.

danabo

This thread has been majorly skewed.

Whether or not XBL gold fees are value for money is irrelevant. The TC said, XBL fees are paid so developers will put online content in their games. As I originally pointed out, this is not true as it has been happening for many years on PC without this incentive.
Danm_999

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="rhaigun"]

You guys can bash it all you want. I have no problem paying for it because I know what I'm getting. If I didn't think it was worth $4 a month, I wouldn't pay for it. The whole expierience is better than anything I've ever played on PC. It's not just words flashing across a screen. It's a person I'm talking to, laughing with or cussing at. It evokes emotions I'll never get out of a keyboard.

Live is the definitive way to play multiplayer.

dinb

Lemmings will just come in here with that "bu.. but teh lag free" nonsense.
miss_kitt3n

Having to pay for XBL is bullcrap. That the money goes towards servers is also bullcrap since most of the game servers are user hosted like on PC's and PSN. Don't believe the propaganda. XBL is just more Microsoft money-mongering. Rune_Warrior

The money does go toward servers, just not dedicated game ones.  They still have to have servers for keeping track of everyone, what everyone is playing, acheivements, leaderboards, voice chat, marketplace, an inbox for each users messages etc.  All this infomation has to be hosted somewhere.

XFire gets it's money through advertising revenue, (think ABC or NBC network)

XBL gets it's money from the end user (think HBO or Showtime)

They all make their money, it's just a matter of who they get it from.

Now I don't use XFire so I'm not sure how that affects the end user (spam, popups, or just advertising on their homepage?)  I am however glad MS went the way they did, I would rather pay a small fee then get 15 messages a day in my message box from someone trying to sell me something, I get enough spam in my e-mail, I don't want it on XBL ;) 

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="air0123"]PC's big online games cost money, WoW, Ever quest.cobrax25

PC's big online games cost money, WoW, Ever quest.air0123

All the stuff you get on Gold is the same as Silver except playing online, and we pay 50 bucks a year, so developers get an online that they don't have to work their asses off to get up and running.

Guess_With_ReX