Do you think BOTW2 will eclipse Elden Ring?

Yes.

UE5 will work on Switch 2.

Whether the sequel to Breath of the Wild eclipse Elden Ring or not, call me indifferent. I do not care whether a game I am interested in is compared to another game as I rarely compare games.

@onesiphorus: but our board is called system wars... By nature this is a comparison board.

I think BOTW 1 is a more innovative game than Elden Ring, so I wouldn't be surprised if BOTW 2 is the better game.

Elden Ring's open world was a mixed bag. Yes, the scope felt awesome at times, but lots of the open world was filled with repetitive caves and crypts or other places that gave no real rewards for beating them. The highlights were the Dark Souls-like structured sections, rather than the open world.

BOTW's open world was vastly superior. It felt more alive, with travelling merchants and towns and dynamic weather effects. It was fun to navigate, and featured tons of different mechanics to keep that exploration interesting. It was full of unique shrines, which featured a minimal number of repetitive content, and broader open-world mysteries and puzzles. It also focused on emergent gameplay, which was key to the game's success - a whole bunch of dynamic systems (physics, weather, geography, slate powers) interacted either each other to create memorable and unique moments.

The system will be so far behind in tech that an engine simply "working" is supposed to mean something🤭Cringehog89 please.

When BOTW2 is close to release, i will spam many comparison threads to expose this mobile video game. Have so many ER screenshots ready that sheep should be stressed out already.

Depends on if BotW2 is just the same game without any interesting changes besides hopping through sky floors.

BOTW is dang great, but a lot of it doesn't feel good: clone shrines, tiny main dungeons, cakewalk puzzles, overworld enemy variation, dull rewards, etc. Elden Ring has similar problems, but in most cases, feels like the next step forward in resolving them. It's an iterative take, but nevertheless one that has set the bar for open world.

@Mozelleple112: BOTW2 would smack GOWR and TLOU3 around.

Don't be too certain about that. BOTW did as well as it did because it was new and fresh (open world for a zelda game, plus no hand holding). The sequel will not be anywhere near as well received/praised. Expect something similar to SMG2.

@hardwenzen: And same goes for GOWR and TLOU3. Sony can never design games as good as Zelda. They can only do their same cinematic shit.

Personally, BOTW already eclipses Elden ring for having a better open world, more interesting mechanics and systems as well as far better ways to traverse/explore. It felt absolutely groundbreaking where Elden Ring felt like something I played since the first Dark Souls.

Having said that, I feel like BOTW2 could struggle to compete with its predecessor. BOTW redefined a genre. How do you compete with that impact?

Absolutely when it comes to GOWR, but not TLOU3. If they manage to to do what they've done with TLOU2 (releasing an extremely divisive game) and have graphics king worthy visuals, TLOU3 will do VERY well yet again because everyone will be curious to see for themselves what the **** is the fuss about, and nice visuals and animations will always attract the eye of a casual.

That's your sheepness talking, dude. The open world in BOTW pales in comparison. Its not even in the same dimension. There's no exploration worthwhile, while ER has the best of any open world title. You can argue the systems/mechanics, but then i could bring the fact that ER has so much more enemies variety, multiplayer, amazing bosses (botw bosses are a joke that look like they were designed for a phone) awesome combat system, incredible build diversity, etc, etc, etc.

BOTW never stood a chance. Nintendo is not as talented as the Fromsoft crew AND they're developing for 2005 hardware.

BOTW was the foundation. Elden Ring built a castle on top. The end.

I have several games that already eclipse BOTW and Elden Ring. People have to stop pushing their views so hard on others.

Neither games are systems.😎

Really? Which games.... Lay em on me. I only push my views when they are correct. 😁

@TheEroica: 😂🫤

No one said anything about RPG, you did! Like I said, if you never play those 2 games, you don't have a saying in this conversation until you do.

It will be a challenege, but not impossible.

The problem is Elden Ring was on three (four?) platforms--Xbox, PC, PS (4 and 5?)--and BOTW 2 is only going to be on one platform.

Granted, everyone that owns said platform will buy the Zelda game, so I guess its a question of how many Switches there are out there.

But don't you need the systems to play those games🤔

Botw along with xenoblade is the only game ive enjoyed on switch. But Elden Ring is something special man. Though my only complain is it became repetitive which all openworld suffers from. But wont be surprise if it outscore and outsell elden ring. Zelda is that popular.

That wouldn't be hard to do so, sure. ;o

Now if you really want to challenge them, ask if they can even dream of coming close to Gears 5, FM5 or Halo: Infinite? :P

@Juub1990: TLOU3 will eat anything Nintendo has ever made for breakfast. GOWR has that potential too. Elden Ring > GOW though. Not too sure about TLOu3.

@Mozelleple112: Not even close. BOTW is still talked about to this day while TLOU2 is gone and forgotten, and was only ever in the news for pissing off its fanbase.

Oh yea, totally.

Wither the game is better is another matter.

@Juub1990: TLOU2 better than BOTW in every single aspect except open world / exploration gameplay which is like saying Forza does car racing better than COD does.

Like no shit.

Story, graphics, game direction, voice acting, sound design, OST, character development, cinematics, screenplay, writing, are all vastly superior in TLOU2.

I'd argue the combat mechanics of TLOU2 is also far greater than BOTW's, even though its comparing stealth/gunplay with swordplay. TLOU2 is the gunplay equivalent of Sekiro combat (the best of the best, genre-defining).

In this c apples-to-oranges comparison

TLOU2 is the most delicious tasting apple of the Gods and BOTW is just a plain orange.

Elden Ring or Sekiro would be that juicy orange that went viral on TikTok a while back.

So yeah, gameplay outside of the combat mechanics is better in BOTW but TLOU2 does everything else better.

...and TLOU2 still talked about and will be for years (decades) as well. Most awarded game in history.

TLOU2 is dead. It had an enormous surge on release due to the controversy surrounding it. No one gives a shit about it anymore.

Worldwide search trend over the past 12 months. BOTW is 5 years old and still generates more interest than this game.

"graphics, game direction, voice acting, sound design, OST, character development, cinematics, screenplay, writing" lel. Amazing feats for a movie. BOTW shits on it in aspects that matter namely gameplay as evidenced by it being still played and showing up on top sellers list years later. That's because it has depth and endless replay value. It's a crowning achievement for the medium.

Over and out.

@Juub1990: Its because its on a system that only has 1 good game. PS gamers are blessed with constantly having quality games to play, so of course they won't replay TLOU2 infinitely.

That said TLOU2 probably has the highest replay value of any game. I beat it five times, and it has the highest completion rate of any game. The majority of players didn't even bother completing BOTW.

BOTW is a masterpiece, but TLOU2 is on another level of quality. Literally the Godfather: Part II of videogames.

I can, because I can say "comparing an RPG to an Adventure game is silly". I don't have to play the RPG or play the Adventure game to know that.

The right answer. When you have nothing but an old last generation game as your holy grail title, of course its bound to be trendier. Sony/PC/Xbox have a ton of variety every single year. Unless the game is multiplayer focused, there's no way for it to stay popular.

If the X had nothing else but Infinite, you bet your ass EVEN this thing would be popular. Not like they'd have any choice. Don't release anything worthwhile, and it will force people to play last generation games out of desperation, and that's the situation with Nintendo since 2019.

Then where are the sales numbers? Why has Sony been silent about its sales for 2 years now? They told us 4M in a week then nothing. They had no trouble admitting GOT was at 8M in January 2022. What about TLOU2? It should have crossed 10M by now. No announcement?

Interesting logic I suppose? Though in this case you'd be missing that one of elden rings (and souls games in general) defining feature is that it's a fully featured RPG existing within an incredible action game. It's impossible to call elden ring a RPG without also calling it an action game. It's genre defining on both fronts.

No.

The fact that people keeps puting this 2 against each other is pretty mind blowing when in essence, they couldn't be any more different. Zelda is more about puzzle solving and exploration, Elden Ring is more about combat and world progression.

If any they should be used as a way to show other developers how to make open world games outside the Ubi formula.

Elden Ring is an action RPG; a sub genre of Role Playing Games. In Zelda games, you are Link - you are not some nameless "elf warrior" that you define yourself, for which you build out or assign a class, and direction of the story is based on what actions you take. That is because Zelda games are Adventure games, not RPGs (there is nothing wrong with that).

You can't say "Well, Elden Rings stands on it's own as an Action game.", because it is an RPG. For example, while everyone confirmed that the game play of Mass Effect: Andromeda was great, it was a sh*tty RPG with a generic story and bad RPG elements. Elden Ring, on the other hand, is praised as a fantastic RPG.

Elden Ring is very much about exploration as well. The freedom and exploration is the reason so many people compare the two.

@fedor: Zelda is very much about combat and world progression as well.

@mesome713: If you think that, then you haven't played a Zelda game since the original in the NES.

@fedor: Fair enough, i will say that is probably not only about exploration, but the sandbox nature of BotW, while in Elden Ring, is still pretty much a Souls structured game within the open world. I don't know, i'm still on my first Elden Ring playthrough and i'm having such a different experience that i had with BotW that i really don't understand the comparitions, i loved both though.

I love both games to my core.... And they are BOTH equelly about exploration. They are the only two games I've ever played that offer the same feeling through exploration and that is the reason they get compared. They are the anti ubisoft, handholding, paint by numbers experience and instead are built around genuine curiosity.

We cannot say zelda is about exploration and elden ring is about world building(?). They are both asking the player the same questions.... Are you curious? Come and see what's over here.... They both do it exceptionally well.... Better than every other game that has come out before them.

Apples and Oranges.

But considering what a shallow experience Elden Ring was (worst game I have played in a while). It wouldnt be hard for me to enjoy BotW 2 more.

The game that scored a 10 here?

And a 97 on Metacritic?

Yes, that one. Good luck getting anywhere near that with the sequel. Especially now that Elden Ring is a thing. The game that set the new gold standard of open world games. You want it or not, your BOTW2 has been overshadowed by ER a year before release.

Love to see you still rage at the game

The only other game that has provided a competent BotW like experience is Genshin Impact. BotW2 will do fine. Especially if it fixes the flaws of the original game while expanding on its strengths.

Edit: Btw, when I was referring to a 10 here and a 97 on Metacritic I was referring to SMG2.

A gotcha game from China is what's comparable to BOTW. I thought you were supposed to defend BOTW, but it turns out you're stealth trolling it. Unexpected tbh.

Nobody remembers SMG2. It had no impact like the first game did. Same will apply to BOTW2, but because ER is out, and is miles better than a sequel to an open world game made for a rock (the switch), it'll get buried even faster.

You two need to troll better. BOTW, Super Mario Odyssey, Animal Crossing New Horizons, and Smash Bros Ultimate outsold and outscored practically every Playstation exclusive. Where do you want to take the conversation now that Nintendo curbstomped Sony in both sales and review scores? Graphics.

lol

Visuals from a decade ago and sub 30fps gaming is just a small part of gaming on a Switch. When your whole playerbase of 100m+ has access to nothing, the first thing to come out, even if its shit, will get the attention of many. This is the permanent state of Nintendo since 2019. If they were pumping titles on par with BOTW, people wouldn't be replaying BOTW for the 40th time telling themselves the game is still fresh and enjoyable. Come to think of it, the Switch is like a torture machine for gamers, AND you're paying money for one. Oof.

Come on man. I'm putting some effort into this, and you give me that retort?

@Maroxad: shallow? Omg.... I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Such a disservice to call a game this rich with exploration, character build, combat options, RPG elements and lore, shallow.

I know the tree Sentinel knight was difficult at first, but what could've possibly made you call this game shallow? Crazy!

I am reminding you of the reality we live in. Many ignore the state of Nintendo. I don't. No free passes here.

Also, when you're talking about sales, you're comparing a console+handheld to a console. Why would one system outsell another than farms both demographics? You want to compare sales of the Switch, do so by comparing it to the Wii+3DS, and see how low they've fallen.