Do you think BOTW2 will eclipse Elden Ring?

The thing with Elden Ring is that i still feel it like a very Souls game. Meaning that you still need to follow a certain path and you need to know that certains areas will probably one shot you if you go there very early, that's why i think is a bit linear in that regard (world progression, don't know where i heard that term) so you need to explore your current area because is the one that you are strong enough to gain some levels, until you beat the main boss and then move on to the next one.

I will indeed say that both do exploration pretty good, but i still consider them yo be different experiences.

@hardwenzen: lol, keep getting butt hurt. I guess the 97 metacritic score, which is higher than the belden ring MC score must be stressing you out.

What's stressing me out is Elden Ring completely stealing BOTW2 hype. This is what's stressing me out, and if you're able to help, it'd be appreciated.

When SMG2 wasnt included in the 3D Mario All Stars thing, there was an uproar. Hardly forgotten.

Shallow Experience = Boring/Drab/Dull

Basically I disliked most things about the game. I liked the reward structure, and there were a few good bosses. But between the open world*, rehashing (both within the game itself and from previous SOuls games), and combat that just feels way out of date and lacks depth. I couldnt care for the game.

Worst game I have played since WoW: Shadowlands.

*I dislike Elden Ring's Open world because it doesnt really add anything meaningful to the experience, at most it existed as a filler between the actually interesting content, namely the legacy dungeons. So they needed fast travel and a horse to not make it a complete slog, but even then it was boring. Opening up your map, and then marking one of the random dungeons strewn around, and then face it and make your horse go forward does not make compelling gameplay. Even the occational world boss you fight is nothing but recycled garbage. It is especially bad as Souls combat is not designed for fights of this scale.

You can't be serious. Is this your argument? PEOPLE WERE BITCHIN BECAUSE WHAT NINTENDO INCLUDED IS THE DEFINITION OF PATHETIC. No work was done to remaster the few included titles, its just a garbo emulator for $60. You'd hope for them to include SMG2 when no effort was put into it, and a premium is still being charged. Jesus Maroxad, ER qq'ing messed you the hell up.

The point, which clearly went over your head is that SMG2 was not forgotten. The game is generally considered to be the better of the duology. Being the more refined entry.

Your red herring is completely irrelevent to the point being made too. But that is par on course for you.

I had more fun with all 3 Dark Souls games than I did Elden Ring.

If I could only have one I would definitely pick the og BOTW over Elden Ring.

This thread is hilarious

I have a hard time even trying to enjoy BOTW never mind the sequel being better than Elden ring. The sequel to BOTW will double down on collecting gold poop and spirit orbs with a bare minimum story, something comparable to mario (save the princes) I hope I'm wrong but I see myself not enjoying the sequel.

Will Botw 2 be better than Elden Ring? most likely no. Will it be as good? most likely.

@Maroxad: And lost to RDR and ME2 in the GOTY awards. Like I have said before Nintendo games get reviewed at a lower standard. same with PC. Halo PC scored much lower than Halo Xbox cause Halo was nothing compared to the quality FPS of PC back in the day. Same can be said with Goldeneye. No way in hell is that a 97@MC when compared to what was on PC.

This logic also applies when multiplats like Witcher 3, Skyrim, etc score lower on PC, even though the PC version is definitely the best experience, it doesn't match the higher standards of PC. Put Mario Odyssey or Animal Crossing on PS5 and watch them score 7s and 8s.

TLOU2 on the other hand oblierated the GOTY awards and won more than any game in history.

@Juub1990: Graphics are still part of a game, and to some extent still matter. HFW has slighty superior graphics to Elden Ring, (10/10 graphics vs 8/10 graphics), but Elden Ring completely shits all over HFW in every other way and graphics are only a small factor.

However, in our comparison we are comparing TLOU2's 10/10 graphics with BOTW's 2/10 graphics. (if we're being generous to the 720p/30fps mess)

But way to ignore every single other point and only focus on graphics. TLOU2 is a superior game to BOTW in every single aspect except exploration. Maybe level design?

TLOU2 has: 10/10 story, 10/10 combat, 10/10 gameplay mechanics, 10/10 game direction, 10/10 graphics, 10/10 cinematics, 10/10 OST, 10/10 sound design, 10/10 writing, 10/10 character development.

BOTW has: 5/10 story, 5/10 combat, 10/10 gameplay mechanics, 7/10 game direction, 2/10 graphics, 1/10 cinematics, 9/10 OST, 3/10 sound design, 3/10 writing, 2/10 character development

Your point is false. You're the only one that believes what you're saying. I don't think i have heard a single person saying that they enjoyed SMG2 more than 1. If you hear someone mentioning SMG, its always the original, and never the sequel.

@Mozelleple112: BOTW dunks on TLOU2 in everything gameplay related. TLOU2 wins in things like graphics, presentation. The story is awful and the writing is bad. Don’t try to pull that one.

TLOU2 isn’t standing the test of time which is why BOTW despite being 3 years older still gets talked about more and new stuff and ways to mess around with the physics engine still get discovered.

TLOU2 is dead and buried. BOTW outsold it last year because no one cares about this game anymore. It bombed compared to what was expected.

That's your opinion, not fact. TLOU1 story was great, and i liked TLOU2's story even more. The story was divisive, but stating that its just bad is wrong. Not sure why you're referring to the story when comparing the game to Zelda, tho. Nintendo doesn't know what a story in a video game even means. BOTW has no story.

Good that TLOU's story was great. This isn't the game that's being talked about.

The story is divisive because it plain sucks. The game fell out of popular discussion two weeks after it came out and the only discussion surrounding the game was how badly Naughty Dog had dropped the ball. Lol at trying to serve anyone some morality when your entire game revolves around murdering people.

Video game stories hardly matter. Sony games have no choice but to go all-in on the writing and acting because their studios can seldom make compelling or innovative gameplay. It's the same derivative bullshit. Ten years from now, do you think anyone will remember the story of TLOU let alone TLOUII? Or any game for that matter? No, because even the best video game stories are garbage in the grand scheme of things.

BOTW is a pop culture phenomenon and will remain as such. TLOUII is already behind us.

No, it doesn't suck. The massive majority of people that bitch about the story got shook by Joel's death, and as soon as he died, the story is automatically shit in their mind. And this is not me assuming this being the case either.

The discussion about the game began months before launch. For how long were you expecting it to last? Of course it ended within a month after the game came out. And yes, its a realistic fuckedup world in which people get merdered, too damn mature for many.

Again, your story related paragraph is nothing else but your opinion. If the story hardly mattered, Sony wouldn't be clapping everyone else when it comes to GOTY winners. I also bet you that if Nintendo was capable of writing stories, you would never say that story doesn't matter in games.

BOTW is indeed more popular than TLOU2, but that doesn't mean TLOU2 is shit. Elden Ring is shitton more popular than Sekiro, but Sekiro is still a top notch game, and a GOTY winner.

When you're coming off one of the best-received games of the 7th generation to follow up with a stinker, you messed up.

I mean, look at this:

The game destroyed the goodwill of its fanbase. 40K mixed or negative reviews vs 38K positive reviews. That's chiefly because of its story. Joel's death wasn't the only problem. The entire game's stance on preaching morality and the dangers of the path to vengeance were plain bad. Even the trans community shat on the game for Lev's portrayal. The story is bad. The presentation, graphics, animations, and a few other things are top-tier.

@Juub1990 said:

@hardwenzen said:

No, it doesn't suck. The massive majority of people that bitch about the story got shook by Joel's death, and as soon as he died, the story is automatically shit in their mind. And this is not me assuming this being the case either.

The discussion about the game began months before launch. For how long were you expecting it to last? Of course it ended within a month after the game came out. And yes, its a realistic fuckedup world in which people get merdered, too damn mature for many.

Again, your story related paragraph is nothing else but your opinion. If the story hardly mattered, Sony wouldn't be clapping everyone else when it comes to GOTY winners. I also bet you that if Nintendo was capable of writing stories, you would never say that story doesn't matter in games.

BOTW is indeed more popular than TLOU2, but that doesn't mean TLOU2 is shit. Elden Ring is shitton more popular than Sekiro, but Sekiro is still a top notch game, and a GOTY winner.

When you're coming off one of the best-received games of the 7th generation to follow up with a stinker, you messed up.

I mean, look at this:

The game destroyed the goodwill of its fanbase. 40K mixed or negative reviews vs 38K positive reviews. That's chiefly because of its story. Joel's death wasn't the only problem. The entire game's stance on preaching morality and the dangers of the path to vengeance were plain bad. Even the trans community shat on the game for Lev's portrayal. The story is bad. The presentation, graphics, animations, and a few other things are top-tier.

Come the hell on lol. Do i really need to tell you that a divisive (in the case of TLOU2, you might as well consider it as the pure definition of a divisive game) game will have poor user scores ON A SITE ANYBODY CAN LEAVE A REVIEW? You know better than that.

Meta score is 93. Won shitload of awards all over the place. Sold extremely well. That's all there is to it.

And is the only "divisive" AAA game we can think of. BOTW and GOTW both completely departed from their gameplay roots but were critically acclaimed without any of this division. Why should TLOUII get a pass. "Oh, it's great but half of the fanbase hated it". Sure lol.

It sold great the first week, no doubt. The lack of sales updates in almost 2 years is suspicious, however.

Why should anybody care about what this "half" of the fanbase thinks, when their reasoning for hating on the game is dumb af (Joel's death)? If you can't deal with Daddy Joel dying, then maybe you should stick to E rated titles where nothing happens. Those are the people sending death threats to ND and Laura Bailey because a character dies in a video game. They're the ones raging in the user scores section. You trying to prove a point with that 5.7 user score, is just you siding with these little shits.

Weird. On this very site, pretty much everyone who posted back then and posts now likes SMG2 over the original. I'm more fond of the original myself, since it felt new, and SMG2 (while fun) felt more like an expansion to the original. Also like the very cosy vibe the original has. Said this quite a few times on here and never got anyone to agree with that.

Also remember there was much flak towards Nintendo for not including SMG2 the 3D Allstars thingy. Would've been cool if they did, only to counter the lack of effort they put in the collection.

I'm not siding with anyone because I don't care about this game. Their reasoning isn't just Joel's death was I already addressed. Lev's bad portrayal was a point of contention. The fake morality lessons being preached were frowned upon. Trying to use video games to teach the player about how bad vengeance is all the while forcing them to murder countless people in the first game to then turn around and go "see what happens when you kill so many people" was an incredibly stupid decision. The ending where all of a sudden, the agency is stripped from the player and Ellie lets Abby live. This game is an exercise in hypocrisy.

Games aren't movies. The player has agency in them. They're not just the spectator so having them murder people and then guilt-trip them over it is sure to provoke strong reactions.

I was posting here when SMG2 came out. During the honeymoon phase, sure, many preferred it over the original, but after some time has passed, almost everyone i've heard, preferred the original.

All Stars was a lazy cash grab. When you emulate the whole thing with zero effort, and then sell it for a juicy $60, at least include SMG2 if the original is already on the disc. Of course it got some flak.

I see.. Yeah, I can imagine people remembering SMG more than SMG2 now, as it was more special. Had a little story and shit as well.

Allstars was indeed lazy as hell. Adds up with Nintendo's new lazy way to operate things overall.

You tried to make a point by talking about user scores, knowing damn well its a shit argument. And while not every single person complained about the game because of Joel, lets be real here, the massive majority did bitch about the game because of him. I've had so many conversations about this game on here and elsewhere, and almost always, the conversation ended with "these fuckers killed my favorite character!!!!! i can't stand them!!! **** ND. I will never buy another game from them. I HOPE THEY BURN!!". This game, over any other titles ever released, showed me how childish most gamers are. TLOU2 exposed gamers to the next level.

And i would've hated seeing Ellie kill Abby at the end, and i am not even an Abby fan or anything like that. It was also explained why she didn't.

The massive majority complained about the story and it wasn't just Joel. Joel was just the most obvious part of it. Just because he got the majority of the attention doesn't mean the rest was any good because it wasn't. Criticism was leveled at a number of different parts of the story including but not limited to Joel, but you ignored those.

I enjoyed BOTW, but I thought Elden Ring was a far superior game. I guess we'll see.

When they got to the Joel's part, which was at the very beginning of the game, most lost their shit, and what came later didn't matter. After his death, the game could've been amazing, but it wouldn't have mattered because Daddy Joel died. How dare a game developer kill such a likeable character?! And then, the ones that were strong enough to run through the whole game, when they saw Ellie letting Abby go, HOLY SHIT, bruh. People were fuming with rage.

And i don't ignore other criticism. Many of which (such as "disjointed and poorly structured story") were debunked. Its just that i've seen it first hand that when Joel dies, its like people didin't even want to hear why a certain thing is the way it is. They covered their ears and just began spamming the "tlou2 suk ballz" everywhere on the web. The herd mentality with this game was insane. Rarely have i see it this bad with any other games.

Sure, let's blame the people and not the shitty story. TLOUII is a poor victim and singled out for departing from its roots (just like GOW and BOTW did). It couldn't be possibly because gamers straight up hated it for a myriad of reasons. It has to be a single reason.

None were "debunked". The bottom line is, TLOUII didn't have the lasting appeal the original game did, nor did it remain a topic of conversation for very long. If most people loved it as you claimed, why is the conversation surrounding it dead? Games like Horizon were still popular subjects months after release, as were GOT and Spider-Man. TLOUII like HFW came and went because both were mediocre as shit.

It is going to be a close call. I'm actually excited to see who will win. I would be surprised if a different game other than Elden Ring or BOTW will get GOTY.

Unsubstantiated and unfalsifiable claims.

And a quick check on Witcher 3 proves you wrong. Witcher 3 scored HIGHEST on PC. The PC version of Skyrim is the second highest scoring one. Love it when a lousy narrative falls flat on its face. Might have done you good to do fact check your assertions before you post.

And Goldeneye did a lot of things other contemporary FPS werent doing at the time. It allegedly even caused Gabe Newell to make some serious changes to his upcoming Half Life title.

And lol at TLOU2. The game that no one liked. GOTY awards mean very little in the long run. Nobody in their right mind takes them seriously, especially after Gone Home's GOTY awards.

Halo 1 scored lower on PC because it came out 2 years later. By then Halo was no longer ahead of the curve. Goldeneye also did really well because of how much more advanced it was compared to the doom clones.

The different standards for different consoles argument doesnt hold up all that well. Unless you are specifically referring to technical graphics. And it is hard to guage how much of an influence that even has these days. Considering how many games score exceptionally well despite looking like flash or gen 4 games.

But maybe Copium is healthy for you. I mean, werent you the guy who also pretends MGS4 is a good game, despite the fact that only 2/5ths of the game are any good?

Elden ring did seem to take things to the next level. Tough to deny it based on my playthroughs.

Possibly. BOTW was a near perfect game imo. If they fix the following minor issues they will definitely take the crown:

-More “regular” Zelda dungeons with more visual variety

-More enemy variety and types. More optional bosses (maybe ghosts of classic bosses)

-Weapon proficiency. If you use a certain weapon that you find like a spear enough times, Link can learn new skills with that type. This way if they decide to remove weapon breaking because so many cried about it, there will still be a reason to get out of your comfort zone.

- Have more narrative moments and cutscenes for those who want more story but keep it in the side content. That way players can go out of their way if they want more lore or understanding.

Abby killing Joe should have been near the end of the game as it would have been a huge surprised to the audience and no one would have been the wiser is what really should have happen IMO.

Hell, ND should have done new setting/characters would have been the best option but oh well. I still enjoy the first game and the sequel is so so.

And that is what most people that complain about TLOU2 always say, and they're all wrong for thinking that. If they did this, there would be no obessive revenge plot, and even if Abby did something else that forced Allie to go psycho, it just couldn't be as intense as it was. Joel dying at the beginning was perfect, because we had a full game to learn the Abby's side of things, how it f up Ellie and Tommy after he got shot. And such an important character dying at the very beginning of the game, gave this uncertainty of what the hell could happen next. I remember playing the game, and thinking Ellie will die by the end. You just don't get this kind of stuff from games.

@hardwenzen: so will you be buying tlou remastered remastered remake? I hear its selling for $70.

@Maroxad: @Maroxad: hahaha, wow. Can't remember last time some one was as easily debunked as you'll get now, but anyway.

You realise I just picked out two random examples? I wasn't bothered to do the research, but there have been multiple occasions of PC scoring lower than consoles, despite PC version literally being the best version by far.

let me educate you real quick:

The PC version of Skyrim scored 94, while the X360 version scored 96, two very significant points less, even though the PC version is not just slighty better, its vastly better than the 360 version. Yet, the scores don't reflect that at all, in fact they impose the opposite.

Fallout 3 scored 91 on PC, and 93 on X360. two points less, even though the PC version is vastly superior to the X360 version.

GTA V scored 97 on every platform except PC, which scored 96. Even though, guess what? PC version is way ahead of the console versions.

Now for a big one...

GTA IV Scored 98 on PS3 and X360, but the PC version only scored 90. 8 points less, which is literally the difference between top 5 highest rated game of all time and barely in the top 500 highest rated. But I'm sure you have guessed by (actually no, based on what you wrote earlier) GTA IV on PC is much better than on consoles.

Those were just a few examples off the top of my head, if you want I can provide at least a dozen more examples where the much better PC versions score lower than the consoles.

Don't even bother trying to defend only a few points less don't matter. The fact that they have even 1 less point, when they are much better products proves my entire argument.

And don't bother mentioning different reviewers, unless you can show me Gamespot, IGN, etc consistently scoring PC gamers .5 or an entire point (scale 1-10) higher than their console counterparts. if Skyrim is 9/10 on console it should be 9.5, 9.9 or 10 on PC.

@Maroxad: And Halo was overhyped trash, it was only scoring high because console FPS was non-existent. I was playing much better FPS games on my PC years before Halo 1 released. Half Life, Unreal Tournament, CS1.6, etc...

Not to mention Halo 1 on PC was much better than Halo 1 on Xbox and scored much lower. it was never ahead of the curve on PC.

Just another example of my completely truthful and substantiated claim that I schooled you with earlier.

and TLOU2 being the game no one liked... cry more that TLOU2 is 95@MC, record breaking award winner.

Just like TLOU winning game of the decade awards left right and centre, wait for TLOU2 to win the same in 7-8 years time..

And yeah, MGS4 is easily one of the best games ever made, there's a reason why every major outlet gave it a 10/10. MGS4 is a 10/10 masterpiece.

@davillain: I think they handled and performed his death perfectly. They literally made millions of people cry and complain. I've never seen such an effect happen in gaming before. Its truly what makes TLOU2 remarkable.

It reminds me of Joffrey's character in Game of Thrones. Making the entire world hate you and want to kill you because of how you performed your role speaks volume of the quality of acting.

@Juub1990: the ONLY problem is butthurt people who were anti-LGBTQ and crying cause of Joel's death. take away those and everyone would be giving it in 10/10.

No.

No it wasn't. It scored high because it was a damn good game in its own right. Hell, even today, Combat Evolved is considered one of hte best FPS ever made. While I will agree that Half Life was a better game. CE was a masterpiece in its own right. And Halo on PC wasnt much better. It had online, which was nice. But mechanically the experience was close enough.

You are being way too literal there. Ofcourse the game has some fans, but dont even try to pretend the game was particularly well recieved by the gaming community. Those lousy user scores are there for a reason. Iirc, the user scores were much lower before a good chunk of them were removed.

TLOU2 wont win the same reception as TLOU1. TLOU2 has mostly been forgotten about by the gaming industry. Just look at the google trends graphs you have been shown. Breath of a Wild, a game from last decade, has significantly more discussion. And Super Mario Odyssey, despite being significantly older, is almost talked about just as much. And of that, the discussion Odyssey gets is far more positive.

No, MGS4 sucked. The writing blew, and the stealth was inferior to what Thief had established a decade ago. The Middle East and South America chapters were good. But Chapter 3 was a complete doze, Chapter 4 pandered too much to Nostalgia for its own good, and was the part where the writing truly jumped the shark. Chapter 5 was just as disasterous on the writing department.

You picked 2 random examples that ended up disproving your own argument. It shows you don't put any effort into making sure what you say is actually accurate.

The switch version of Skyrim barely got favorable reviews. Using your lousy logic, we can assume the switch has higher standards (it doesn't). Or we can acknowledge the fact there is a far greater correlation with actual causation, and that is the flow of time. If you look at games that come out these days, you will see that games score roughly the same regardless on metacritic, with the deviation being caused by different reviewers: Nintendolife will probably not review Total War: Warhammer 3, and PCGamer will not Metroid Dread.

Hades on both Switch and PC scored the same, with a metacritic of 93 on both. The PC version has slightly better graphics, but it is hardly enough to impact the overall experience. And fans of the game recommend both versions.

The different standards argument held water when we had reviews score along the lines of

Graphics:
Sound:
Gameplay:
Story:
Value:
Overall:

But these days, games are only scored by the overall experience.

@Maroxad: How did I pick two examples that disproved what I said? I said two random games that should score WAY higher on PC, and Skyrim, which I originally said scored less on PC than it did on X360. 96 > 94 you know? even though Skyrim on PC isn't just a little bit better, it is MUCH better on PC. And then look at all my other examples, PC consistently scoring slightly lower (or much lower in GTA IV's case) despite being the definitive way to experience those games.

Now you bring up Skyrim on Switch. The Switch version is so garbage that it should be around 50 or so on metacritic, if it has just a single point more, then I am correct. if it scored sub 40s then I'll admit you were right about one thing at least.

As I am typing this I haven't checked... Let me check...

... The Switch version has 84. Hilarious. My point has been proven, again.

There is no way that pile of garbage would get 84 if it was on PC. a broken 5/10 (at best) game gets 8/10 scores because of Switch's much lower standard.

if TLOU2 or MGS4 came out on Switch they'd probably score 12/10.

Lol, stop the hyperbola and lies.

I know these are coping mechanisms you need to deal with the fact that the Switch is getting significantly more high scoring games per year, than Sony is getting. But fret not, the Switch too, is getting its ass kicked by the PC. Seriously, just a quick look at how indie titles get identical scores across platforms, should make it obvious, that the whole different standards thing has been hogwash since the last decade.

But we are going off topic here. The fact is, you completely failed to make your case. Let's go back on topic.

Anyways for the sake of hoping to steer the thread back on topic.

BotW2 will not eclipse Elden Ring. Both may be open world games, but how both games treat their open world varies radically. BotW's Open World is more about using its physics engine in a proper sandbox environment. Elden Ring's Open world is more of a storytellign device than anything. To contextualize the world and the dungeons you explore within it. With the occational bit of reward strewn here and there. And because FromSoft do a great job with itemization, they can actually make it work somewhat. If only they didnt force players to invest in every weapon, they would have done a much better job encouraging and rewarding experimentation.

@Maroxad: make the player invest in every weapon? Not sure I follow...

I do know that when I was 20 hours in I thought, man, I better be careful how I spend these smiting stones, then I learned about the smithing bell bearings and realized upgrading weapons was easy peasy.

@hardwenzen: A fair point. Would have made a good surprise if that were to happen but either way, I never hated how it went out and the gameplay was so grounded, that I had to play it smart on how you approach enemies.

Calm your tits. No.

You know what game i'll buy? Callisto Protocol. My game.