Do you think Bungie will try to match Killzone 2's standards with Halo ODST

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#1 ASK_Story
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Halo 3: ODST Publicity StillKillzone 2 Picture

I think we can all agree that graphically, Killzone 2 set the new standard for console FPS. And I'm sure Bungie also acknowledges this.

Which comes to my topic: Do you guys think Bungie will try to match Killzone 2's standards with Halo ODST? Since we haven't seen any in-game footages yet, I wonder how Bungie will make this game.

I really doubt they'll just make it the same as Halo 3. Even though Halo 3 looks good, Killzone 2 set the bar higher when it comes to graphics. I think this would inspire Bungie to try and outmatch Guerrila Games, kind of like how rivals try to outmatch each other.

What do you guys think?

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#2 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

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#3 treedoor
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Who even cares about graphics? I sure don't.

Halo ODST is going to be adding to Halo 3's multiplayer which is still the best multiplayer FPS this gen, so basically Halo ODST is going to be worth every penny, and any fan of the series is going to pick it up.

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#4 SynisterGamer
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Dude it's Bungie, give me a break. They're awesome.

Plus I'm really looking forward to the changes to the Halo formula in ODST. (Open World, Upgradeable Weapons (?), No Radar, Can't jump high, Night Vision.)

While Killzone 2 is probably great, I trust Bungie.

Anyway Halo 3 wasn't the greatest game graphics wise, it's all about the gameplay.

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#5 Toriko42
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No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

Stevo_the_gamer
Yes Bungie would rather bring something new then just look good It's my personal wish though that Bungie turn Halo ODST into a full game with a new engine. I think the fact that they are keeping mum about it makes this belief stronger. Who knows though. I hope they show some soon :P
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

Toriko42
Yes Bungie would rather bring something new then just look good It's my personal wish though that Bungie turn Halo ODST into a full game with a new engine. I think the fact that they are keeping mum about it makes this belief stronger. Who knows though. I hope they show some soon :P

Isn't Halo: ODST going to be compatible with Halo 3. If that's the case, the graphics will be identical. I could be wrong though (I hope I'm wrong). I'd love to see a new engine.
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Bungie never tried to match gears of war, why they'd give a flip about the latest flavour of the month i don't know. They care about gameplay not graphics. That's a standard of Halos that KZ2 never met.

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#8 SynisterGamer
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

Toriko42

Yes Bungie would rather bring something new then just look good It's my personal wish though that Bungie turn Halo ODST into a full game with a new engine. I think the fact that they are keeping mum about it makes this belief stronger. Who knows though. I hope they show some soon :P

They might used a slightly enhanced version of the Halo 3 engine, but I don't think we'll see anything mind-blowing. Of course I could be wrong, they've been working on this since a little after Halo 3 was launched I believe. Maybe we'll see some gameplay videos soon.

I think ODST will cost a full $60, since the said originial it would be short, but later on it got to become much larger. It will have the Halo 3 online, with all the maps, and I think they might have a special multiplayer type ODST only.

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#9 SynisterGamer
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

RawDeal_basic

Yes Bungie would rather bring something new then just look good It's my personal wish though that Bungie turn Halo ODST into a full game with a new engine. I think the fact that they are keeping mum about it makes this belief stronger. Who knows though. I hope they show some soon :P

Isn't Halo: ODST going to be compatible with Halo 3. If that's the case, the graphics will be identical. I could be wrong though (I hope I'm wrong). I'd love to see a new engine.

I think it's a stand alone thing.

I think we'll see a new engine with their upcoming project they're working on.

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No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

Stevo_the_gamer
This. While the Halo series was far from average looking, it never displayed a graphical achievement nor did it need to.
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#11 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

Toriko42

Yes Bungie would rather bring something new then just look good It's my personal wish though that Bungie turn Halo ODST into a full game with a new engine. I think the fact that they are keeping mum about it makes this belief stronger. Who knows though. I hope they show some soon :P

I wouldn't mind something new as well; hell, I wouldn't even necessarily mind a "darker, more grittier" approach with ODST. (Considering how the trailers portrayed it so far.) Halo 3 had some of the best damn lighting I've seen in a game, not too mention some really sharp and damn good looking textures as well. Yeah, Halo 3 had some rough edges which I hope Bungie can sort out with ODST. (I'm looking at you ugly marines and lack of A/A) I mean, fix that and you got yourself a mighty fine looking game. :P

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#12 SynisterGamer
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

Stevo_the_gamer

Yes Bungie would rather bring something new then just look good It's my personal wish though that Bungie turn Halo ODST into a full game with a new engine. I think the fact that they are keeping mum about it makes this belief stronger. Who knows though. I hope they show some soon :P

I wouldn't mind something new as well; hell, I wouldn't even necessarily mind a "darker, more grittier" approach with ODST. (Considering how the trailers portrayed it so far.) Halo 3 had some of the best damn lighting I've seen in a game, not too mention some really sharp and damn good looking textures as well. Yeah, Halo 3 had some rough edges which I hope Bungie can sort out with ODST. (I'm looking at you ugly marines and lack of A/A) I mean, fix that and you got yourself a mighty fine looking game. :P

I think it'll be much darker, and gritter game. Just from going off the trailer, and new theme song (Really chilling.).

I like how Halo 3 looks, I love the art style, and it 2 years later it looks good :D

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Funny how everyone here thats defending ODST have in some way participated in the Gears2 graphics king arguments before.

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#14 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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I think it'll be much darker, and gritter game. Just from going off the trailer, and new theme song (Really chilling.).

I like how Halo 3 looks, I love the art style, and it 2 years later it looks good :D

SynisterGamer

As do I, I've always been a fan of Halo's artstyle; how crisp and clean it all looks. Very pleasing to me' eyes. I guess it'll be nice to see something new, I always have faith in Bungie -- they always tend to surprise me. Sometimes for the better, others for the worse (damn cliffhangers).

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#15 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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Funny how everyone here thats defending ODST have in some way participated in the Gears2 graphics king arguments before.

PSdual_wielder

Funny how when someone has no reply, there merely go off on a different tangent which is -- in no way, shape or form -- coinciding with the thread they're replying to.

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[QUOTE="SynisterGamer"]I think it'll be much darker, and gritter game. Just from going off the trailer, and new theme song (Really chilling.).

I like how Halo 3 looks, I love the art style, and it 2 years later it looks good :D

Stevo_the_gamer

As do I, I've always been a fan of Halo's artstyle; how crisp and clean it all looks. Very pleasing to me' eyes. I guess it'll be nice to see something new, I always have faith in Bungie -- they always tend to surprise me. Sometimes for the better, others for the worse (damn cliffhangers).

I actually thought Halo 2 was the weakest game in the series. Even though it had the Arbiter in it, Halo 2 wasn't a strong game to me.

I wonder when the Mythic Map Pack will come out :(

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

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Yes Bungie would rather bring something new then just look good It's my personal wish though that Bungie turn Halo ODST into a full game with a new engine. I think the fact that they are keeping mum about it makes this belief stronger. Who knows though. I hope they show some soon :P

Isn't Halo: ODST going to be compatible with Halo 3. If that's the case, the graphics will be identical. I could be wrong though (I hope I'm wrong). I'd love to see a new engine.

You never know, it could just have a code for the mythic map pack then go and do it's own thing
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#18 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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I actually thought Halo 2 was the weakest game in the series. Even though it had the Arbiter in it, Halo 2 wasn't a strong game to me.

I wonder when the Mythic Map Pack will come out :(

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Aw, mate -- I've always thought it was the strongest, and I sure as hell could write pages worth of information stating why as well. I found Halo 2's story complex, immersive, and wonderfully exciting. I always laugh when those fanboys bash Halo based upon its story; hell, back in the day -- myself, ninja vox, bansheedies and even frozen liquid wrote pages worth of responses to all those damn halo haters debunking all the hate that was thrown. It was good times. :P

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#19 SynisterGamer
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Funny how everyone here thats defending ODST have in some way participated in the Gears2 graphics king arguments before.

PSdual_wielder

I think Gears looks great, but I also think Uncharted and Killzone 2 look great.

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#20 SynisterGamer
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[QUOTE="SynisterGamer"]I actually thought Halo 2 was the weakest game in the series. Even though it had the Arbiter in it, Halo 2 wasn't a strong game to me.

I wonder when the Mythic Map Pack will come out :(

Stevo_the_gamer

Aw, mate -- I've always thought it was the strongest, and I sure as hell could write pages worth of information stating why as well. I found Halo 2's story complex, immersive, and wonderfully exciting. I always laugh when those fanboys bash Halo based upon its story; hell, back in the day -- myself, ninja vox, bansheedies and even frozen liquid wrote pages worth of responses to all those damn halo haters debunking all the hate that was thrown. It was good times. :P

Lol that's cool, I just thought Halo 2 was a step back. I love the way Bungie explored playing as different characters, and I thought that the story was as interesting as Halo 1's, but I thought the level design was kinda weak and the boss battles were lame.

Though while I liked Halo 2, but found it a little disapointing, I thought Halo 3 picked it back up. Though Halo 2 will have a special place in my heart as the last time you fight Elites to date in a Halo game :cry: Wort, wort, wort!

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Lol that's cool, I just thought Halo 2 was a step back. I love the way Bungie explored playing as different characters, and I thought that the story was as interesting as Halo 1's, but I thought the level design was kinda weak and the boss battles were lame.

Though while I liked Halo 2, but found it a little disapointing, I thought Halo 3 picked it back up. Though Halo 2 will have a special place in my heart as the last time you fight Elites to date in a Halo game :cry: Wort, wort, wort!

SynisterGamer

Ah, I believe the opposite! A step forward -- besides that god-awful wretched banshee level, or playing the game on legendary... and going against jackal sniper... what's the point? :P

I found it dissapointing as well, partly because I was under the impression it was all about Earth and not about the seven rings and guilty spark. Granted the worst of it all was the ending. I actually threw my controller I was so mad that it ended right when it was about to get ****ing awesome. But no matter, Halo 3 picked it up and didn't dissapoint.

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#22 SynisterGamer
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[QUOTE="SynisterGamer"]

Lol that's cool, I just thought Halo 2 was a step back. I love the way Bungie explored playing as different characters, and I thought that the story was as interesting as Halo 1's, but I thought the level design was kinda weak and the boss battles were lame.

Though while I liked Halo 2, but found it a little disapointing, I thought Halo 3 picked it back up. Though Halo 2 will have a special place in my heart as the last time you fight Elites to date in a Halo game :cry: Wort, wort, wort!

Stevo_the_gamer

Ah, I believe the opposite! A step forward -- besides that god-awful wretched banshee level, or playing the game on legendary... and going against jackal sniper... what's the point? :P

I found it dissapointing as well, partly because I was under the impression it was all about Earth and not about the seven rings and guilty spark. Granted the worst of it all was the ending. I actually threw my controller I was so mad that it ended right when it was about to get ****ing awesome. But no matter, Halo 3 picked it up and didn't dissapoint.

Yeah the ending sucked :P

That's why I'm interested in ODST, I want to see how Earth was handleing the Convenant invasion.

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Apparently, ODST is a TPS

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#24 Toriko42
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Apparently, ODST is a TPS

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This makes me wonder if they'll go the path of it's own game. Expansions rarely make such drastic changes to a game.
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#25 dthach614
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wtf are you talking about? yeah bungie put more attention into random crap like equipments
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#26 clembo1990
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Who even cares about graphics? .

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Hmmm, historically speaking...Have Halo series been worried about competition at any point in its timeline? I don't think so, it lives in an universe of its own.
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I'm expecting a slightly modified version to the Halo 3 engine. Anyone who is expecting more is going to be let down when actual gameplay videos/screens get released, IMO.
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I don't think Bungie even care about Killzone 2.
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#30 Sooshy
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Apparently, ODST is a TPS

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Can you link that please?
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No. Bungie doesn't strive for technical superiority, nor would they want too either. Bungie puts more attention to things which matter while at the same time making the game look crisp and pleasing to the eye.

Stevo_the_gamer

This would be my answer as well.

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I'm guessing that they'll try to impove on a few things that KZ2 did (primarily, the in game MP mission changes), but graphics won't be one of those things.

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Ok lets stop trying to compare KZ2 to Halo since it is a joke. KZ2 is so overrated. I am only to the part where I just beat the helicopter boss and not sure if I can finish. I may stick to the online battles at least that is fun.

Kz2 has no story at all. I am not saying it is a bad story I am saying it has NONE. Go ahead I dare you and play KZ2 without playing KZ1 or reading the website and know what is going on. Only because I asked in this forum I have a little idea why I am attacking this planet. Thx to the two that informed me. Any game though where you have to go to outside sources to find even the simplest info of a story is a joke.

None of the main guys buddies are likable at all. I mean who cares about Rico or Garza? At least people like the Cole Train are amuzing. I swear Garza is beyond annoying now. "Hey sev place the charge" "Hey Sev place the charge" and again and again or whatever you need to do. It is annoying as heck when you also want to look for the documents or shoot the Helgast symbol. I am not even going to get into how bad their one liners are. I will just say if you got to the part where Garza said he had a ham sandwich and it was DELICIOUS you know what I am talking about.

Halo for example when there is something big about to happen you hear music and it gives the epic feel. For KZ2 the way I know something big is about to happen is it saves the game WooHoo that gets me pumped for a big battle.

Sev does not feel like some major. He does not feel like a butt kicker in fact all he feels like is a guy being told to do this or that. Nathan Hale, Gordan Freeman, Master Chief those guys you at least feel like a major player and the story needs you. Sev is the most boring main person for a major shooter ever. Plus his hair style looks beyond dumb and Sev looks like a big idiot not some bad@$$ like you want your hero to be.

These are aliens but yet they say the same swear words as humans. I mean really if you went to Mars for example and saw a alien do you think they would say the F word. Not that I have anything against the F word it is just stupid for these so called aliens to do it like humans.

Also as far as weapons. Can we get a little more varity?? Games like Rfom, Halo, Gears and others give you the alien weapon feel. Almost ever single gun I have used is just like any human gun pretty much. I mean it is bad enough the devlopers suck so bad they can only post the same looking areas again and again but come on they can not come up with 50% alien weapons?

Also can we get a little varity in bad guys? Seriously I was hoping it would turn out not ever single player looked the same but oh no they do. Also do not say how that is how armies look because it is a alien world and this is a game and thats just lame.

I honestly could complain far more but in the end there is no way this is close to Halo. If this was not exclusive there would be so little talk about it. I am just mad I fell into the hype.

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[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Who even cares about graphics? .

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[QUOTE="treedoor"]

[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

Who even cares about graphics? .

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Oh, you mean Cows? Gears of War 2 Vs MGS4, Uncharted vs Gears, Halo vs KZ2

I'd go with the term "fanboys" rather than trying to specify which type, because you know that both sides do it
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I think we can all agree that graphically, Killzone 2 set the new standard for console FPS. And I'm sure Bungie also acknowledges this.

Which comes to my topic: Do you guys think Bungie will try to match Killzone 2's standards with Halo ODST? Since we haven't seen any in-game footages yet, I wonder how Bungie will make this game.

I really doubt they'll just make it the same as Halo 3. Even though Halo 3 looks good, Killzone 2 set the bar higher when it comes to graphics. I think this would inspire Bungie to try and outmatch Guerrila Games, kind of like how rivals try to outmatch each other.

What do you guys think?

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killzone2 really doesnt even beat halo 3 graphics character models yes but, environmental textures? LOL.
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#37 onewiththegame
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IMO they should try to match the standards of Halo:CE (best console FPS ever made imo)

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#38 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Nope. They don't have the time to make such graphics.
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#39 Gh0st_Of_0nyx
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Bungie puts gameplay and fun over anything something KZ2 dev failed to do. ODST is going to use a modified Halo 3 engine.
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#40 vlens
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IMO they should try to match the standards of Halo:CE (best console FPS ever made imo)

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agreed!! halo:ce was awsome!

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#41 efrucht
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Killzone 2 is a totally different animal than Halo 3. KZ2 is all about realism, while Halo 3 is more stylized. I think Bungie should stick to their strentghs.

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#42 tbone802
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If Halo 3 got a 9.5 and Killzone2 got a 9.0 it appears that GG failed to meet Halo 3 standards.
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#43 eeeessshhhhhh
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Nope. They don't have the time to make such graphics.IronBass
halo 3 ost will have better graphics
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#44 Malta_1980
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Just hope Halo:ODST turns out to be a great game... not interested in comparing it to other fps titles..

So far its the only exclusive on 360 am actually looking forward to..

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#45 Master-Thief-09
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No, I doubt they will waste time trying to match it. Also, considering they are using practically the same engine as Halo 3, with maybe a few tweaks, it won't match KZ2 graphics.
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#46 shawn7324
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They have already stated Halo ODST isn't a full feature game, so no they won't.

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#47 Toriko42
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They have already stated Halo ODST isn't a full feature game, so no they won't.

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That was like the day it was announced, what about since then...
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#48 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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[QUOTE="shawn7324"]

They have already stated Halo ODST isn't a full feature game, so no they won't.

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That was like the day it was announced, what about since then...

Well, Bungie normally keeps strong on their word. :P
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#49 Dante2710
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i rather they waste time on gameplay than some trival thing like graphics or realism
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#50 lawlessx
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i rather they waste time on gameplay than some trival thing like graphics or realism Dante2710

whouldn't mind some realism in halo :)