Do you think Crysis like graphics are possible at the end of PS3/360 cycle?

The answer is simply:

Not by a mile.

Omfg you think people would have learned by now.

There is no 'tapping' there is no 'optimisation' fact is the hardware is far to old to sport visuals like Crysis.

No, seeing how even computers with QUAD SLI can't even maximize Crysis with Anti-Aliasing on.hamidious

have to agree with this guy, you can build the best PC money can buy and Crysis will still kick it's ass.

I think we're reaching a general consensus. And it's in line with Crytek's own words.

Can the consoles use CryEngine 2? Certainly, and there are games in development for them.

Can Crysis in its present form be achieved on the consoles? Not without a crippling degree of gimping, which would ultimately result in a different game.

well if you look at how ps2 games looked at the beginning and at the end everything is possible, i don't see a reason why such games wouldn't be possible- look at far cry 2 for example, its not that its impossible its that crytek is terrible when it comes to optimization that game should run much smooter if they were needed to build it for a console, with high end PCs they just went trough the roof with demands.

And as for graphics im not interested into seeing real life looking graphics i want some art styles like the new prince of Persia is going for that's what gaming is going to go for pretty soon

And as for graphics im not interested into seeing real life looking graphics i want some art styles like the new prince of Persia is going for that's what gaming is going to go for pretty soon

leonjuretic

I agree.

well if you look at how ps2 games looked at the beginning and at the end everything is possible, i don't see a reason why such games wouldn't be possible- look at far cry 2 for example, its not that its impossible its that crytek is terrible when it comes to optimization that game should run much smooter if they were needed to build it for a console, with high end PCs they just went trough the roof with demands.

And as for graphics im not interested into seeing real life looking graphics i want some art styles like the new prince of Persia is going for that's what gaming is going to go for pretty soon

leonjuretic

Crysis is well optimized, not the best or good as it could have been, but it is well optimized.

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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"].... this "tapped power" nonsense again. They will look next to nothing better than they currently do.Meu2k7

I disagree with this assertion. I won't delve into the nomenclature of "tapped power" but devs will get better at optimizing for both consoles. Both consoles will have better looking games by 2011. How much remains to be seen.

Indeed, hence why I said "Next to nothing" ... 5-10% at tops... Gears of War to Gears of War 2 ... slightly smoother.

Optmization only goes so far, the hardware limits will keep it well below Crysis, and games such as Empire Total War.

Please... Look at Ps2 launch games and then head on over to Resi 4 and GoW2 :| Ps2 jumped quite a bit, as well as every other console. Denying how much of an effect optimization, better engines suited to design layouts of systems, etc, can have just shows that you aren't a developer and just assuming. The Ps2 launch games to Resi 4 and GoW 2 look way way way way way more than 5-10% better.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"].... this "tapped power" nonsense again. They will look next to nothing better than they currently do.D3monchicken

I disagree with this assertion. I won't delve into the nomenclature of "tapped power" but devs will get better at optimizing for both consoles. Both consoles will have better looking games by 2011. How much remains to be seen.

Indeed, hence why I said "Next to nothing" ... 5-10% at tops... Gears of War to Gears of War 2 ... slightly smoother.

Optmization only goes so far, the hardware limits will keep it well below Crysis, and games such as Empire Total War.

Please... Look at Ps2 launch games and then head on over to Resi 4 and GoW2 :| Ps2 jumped quite a bit, as well as every other console. Denying how much of an effect optimization, better engines suited to design layouts of systems, etc, can have just shows that you aren't a developer and just assuming. The Ps2 launch games to Resi 4 and GoW 2 look way way way way way more than 5-10% better.

Sorry I dont see it, Resi 4 was not that much better than launch games. not hugely better, better yes... to any "zomg" extent no ...

After Final Fantasy 10... nothing looked better on the PS2 to me. it was that unoticable.

[QUOTE="D3monchicken"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"].... this "tapped power" nonsense again. They will look next to nothing better than they currently do.Meu2k7

I disagree with this assertion. I won't delve into the nomenclature of "tapped power" but devs will get better at optimizing for both consoles. Both consoles will have better looking games by 2011. How much remains to be seen.

Indeed, hence why I said "Next to nothing" ... 5-10% at tops... Gears of War to Gears of War 2 ... slightly smoother.

Optmization only goes so far, the hardware limits will keep it well below Crysis, and games such as Empire Total War.

Please... Look at Ps2 launch games and then head on over to Resi 4 and GoW2 :| Ps2 jumped quite a bit, as well as every other console. Denying how much of an effect optimization, better engines suited to design layouts of systems, etc, can have just shows that you aren't a developer and just assuming. The Ps2 launch games to Resi 4 and GoW 2 look way way way way way more than 5-10% better.

Sorry I dont see it, Resi 4 was not that much better than launch games. not hugely better, better yes... to any "zomg" extent no ...

After Final Fantasy 10... nothing looked better on the PS2 to me. it was that unoticable.

Seriously, do you own a ps2? Or have you from its launch? I remember playing this http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/evergrace/images.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsimage&tag=images;img;4 . It's called Evergrace... Launch RPG. I'd say the end of the ps2's life has been a HUGE upgrade. Care to disagree? And a ton of games look better than final fantasy 10, you would also known this if you bought ps2 games -.-

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="D3monchicken"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"].... this "tapped power" nonsense again. They will look next to nothing better than they currently do.D3monchicken

I disagree with this assertion. I won't delve into the nomenclature of "tapped power" but devs will get better at optimizing for both consoles. Both consoles will have better looking games by 2011. How much remains to be seen.

Indeed, hence why I said "Next to nothing" ... 5-10% at tops... Gears of War to Gears of War 2 ... slightly smoother.

Optmization only goes so far, the hardware limits will keep it well below Crysis, and games such as Empire Total War.

Please... Look at Ps2 launch games and then head on over to Resi 4 and GoW2 :| Ps2 jumped quite a bit, as well as every other console. Denying how much of an effect optimization, better engines suited to design layouts of systems, etc, can have just shows that you aren't a developer and just assuming. The Ps2 launch games to Resi 4 and GoW 2 look way way way way way more than 5-10% better.

Sorry I dont see it, Resi 4 was not that much better than launch games. not hugely better, better yes... to any "zomg" extent no ...

After Final Fantasy 10... nothing looked better on the PS2 to me. it was that unoticable.

Seriously, do you own a ps2? Or have you from its launch? I remember playing this http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/evergrace/images.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsimage&tag=images;img;4 . It's called Evergrace... Launch RPG. I'd say the end of the ps2's life has been a HUGE upgrade. Care to disagree? And a ton of games look better than final fantasy 10, you would also known this if you bought ps2 games -.-

Now show us a game like Tony Hawks 3 ... yea... showing the worst one you possible can doesnt help your case... or timesplitters, or that 3rd person RPG shooter ( Something Squad? ) cant remember :P

That depends. Crysis running on my Radeon X800 with like, 3 gigs of ram, or Crysis running on an god card with godly hardware?

Because let me tell ya. What I'm seeing on my computer is doable.

Yeah. Real doable.

[QUOTE="D3monchicken"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="D3monchicken"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"].... this "tapped power" nonsense again. They will look next to nothing better than they currently do.Meu2k7

I disagree with this assertion. I won't delve into the nomenclature of "tapped power" but devs will get better at optimizing for both consoles. Both consoles will have better looking games by 2011. How much remains to be seen.

Indeed, hence why I said "Next to nothing" ... 5-10% at tops... Gears of War to Gears of War 2 ... slightly smoother.

Optmization only goes so far, the hardware limits will keep it well below Crysis, and games such as Empire Total War.

Please... Look at Ps2 launch games and then head on over to Resi 4 and GoW2 :| Ps2 jumped quite a bit, as well as every other console. Denying how much of an effect optimization, better engines suited to design layouts of systems, etc, can have just shows that you aren't a developer and just assuming. The Ps2 launch games to Resi 4 and GoW 2 look way way way way way more than 5-10% better.

Sorry I dont see it, Resi 4 was not that much better than launch games. not hugely better, better yes... to any "zomg" extent no ...

After Final Fantasy 10... nothing looked better on the PS2 to me. it was that unoticable.

Seriously, do you own a ps2? Or have you from its launch? I remember playing this http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/evergrace/images.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsimage&tag=images;img;4 . It's called Evergrace... Launch RPG. I'd say the end of the ps2's life has been a HUGE upgrade. Care to disagree? And a ton of games look better than final fantasy 10, you would also known this if you bought ps2 games -.-

Now show us a game like Tony Hawks 3 ... yea... showing the worst one you possible can doesnt help your case... or timesplitters, or that 3rd person RPG shooter ( Something Squad? ) cant remember :P

Firstly, Tony Hawk 3 was not a launch game.
Secondly, I think you are talking about X-Squad.
Lastly, every launch game looks terrible compared to the end of the cycle, so you still are just acting blind.

P.s.- I honestly can't fathom why you would choose x-squad or timesplitters as a point maker. Go back and look at all the screenshots of these games and then look at the best the ps2 has to offer. If you still don't see an huge upgrade you are blinded by your love for timesplitters (I loved it then too :D ).

did nobody see freaking Far Cry 2, its nearly crysis level.blitzkid1

No, its not. I dont know why everyone is hooping and hollering over this game. I have yet to be wowed by FarCry2 yet. I might be hooping and hollering over it if crytek was making it again. I dont know. Im just not that blown away. STALKER: Clear Skies looks better than FarCry2.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"].... this "tapped power" nonsense again. They will look next to nothing better than they currently do.Meu2k7

I disagree with this assertion. I won't delve into the nomenclature of "tapped power" but devs will get better at optimizing for both consoles. Both consoles will have better looking games by 2011. How much remains to be seen.

Indeed, hence why I said "Next to nothing" ... 5-10% at tops... Gears of War to Gears of War 2 ... slightly smoother.

Optmization only goes so far, the hardware limits will keep it well below Crysis, and games such as Empire Total War.

O please FC2 looks better then Crysis on medium settings easy. And Empire total war is nothign special. Hell RE5 looks better then every game ive seen on pc it looks as good as Crysis just on a smaller scale. Im sick of hermits simply blabbering about what can and cannot be done when they have no clue.

[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]did nobody see freaking Far Cry 2, its nearly crysis level.Killfox

No, its not. I dont know why everyone is hooping and hollering over this game. I have yet to be wowed by FarCry2 yet. I might be hooping and hollering over it if crytek was making it again. I dont know. Im just not that blown away. STALKER: Clear Skies looks better than FarCry2.

And this is why I cant take hermits seriously. Stalker Clear skys does not look the least bit impressive. Both the weapon and character models look horrid compared to other games.

[QUOTE="Killfox"]

[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]did nobody see freaking Far Cry 2, its nearly crysis level.Polaris_choice

No, its not. I dont know why everyone is hooping and hollering over this game. I have yet to be wowed by FarCry2 yet. I might be hooping and hollering over it if crytek was making it again. I dont know. Im just not that blown away. STALKER: Clear Skies looks better than FarCry2.

And this is why I cant take hermits seriously. Stalker Clear skys does not look the least bit impressive. Both the weapon and character models look horrid compared to other games.

And this is why we don't take you seriously.

[QUOTE="Killfox"]

[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]did nobody see freaking Far Cry 2, its nearly crysis level.Polaris_choice

No, its not. I dont know why everyone is hooping and hollering over this game. I have yet to be wowed by FarCry2 yet. I might be hooping and hollering over it if crytek was making it again. I dont know. Im just not that blown away. STALKER: Clear Skies looks better than FarCry2.

And this is why I cant take hermits seriously. Stalker Clear skys does not look the least bit impressive. Both the weapon and character models look horrid compared to other games.

You're just as worst as any fanboy...

I think graphics are getting better on consoles. What I am more interested in is the gameplay. Sure I've played a FPS but one with super human powers would be better. I've played a mario game but never one in space. It is getting to where graphics are no longer a selling point to me (unless the game was really ugly and I mean ugly).

I found that I enjoy 16-bit graphics the most. maybe because I think that this was the prime of gaming.

By Crysis like you mean.........huh?

Anywho cryegine2 on high in a very linear setting maybe. Medium seems more doable.

For me Crysis was less about graphics and more about physics and starting to build a foundation for future games from that level. The graphics were kinda just the next step, we're nearing the point where graphics wont be a limitation and it's producing less of the wow factor. The big step in crysis was the destructable environment....the first thing I thought when I saw a building get demolished in crysis was: "I'm plowing down shacks with a couple dozen panels now, in a few years I will be toppling down entire skyscrapers with hundreds of thousands of bricks."

I'm not really interested in graphics, because Crysis is nothing but a mediocre shooter hiding behind aesthetically pleasing graphics. Hopefully by the end of this gen devs will start worrying more about gameplay and less about graphics.Zoso-8

I rather have a good combination of both instead of just one.

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]I'm not really interested in graphics, because Crysis is nothing but a mediocre shooter hiding behind aesthetically pleasing graphics. Hopefully by the end of this gen devs will start worrying more about gameplay and less about graphics.Bebi_vegeta

I rather have a good combination of both instead of just one.

I'm not saying they should disregard graphics completely, but going for Crysis-like graphics to me would just cripple any console game this gen. Sure looking good is nice, but playing nice to me is even better.

[QUOTE="Killfox"]

[QUOTE="blitzkid1"]did nobody see freaking Far Cry 2, its nearly crysis level.Polaris_choice

No, its not. I dont know why everyone is hooping and hollering over this game. I have yet to be wowed by FarCry2 yet. I might be hooping and hollering over it if crytek was making it again. I dont know. Im just not that blown away. STALKER: Clear Skies looks better than FarCry2.

And this is why I cant take hermits seriously. Stalker Clear skys does not look the least bit impressive. Both the weapon and character models look horrid compared to other games.

because character models and gun models are everything....:roll:

I would rather them create a convincing Chernobyl than waste time on gun and character models...

The DX10 tech demo crushes any other game out there except for Crysis.

This is Crysis, and there are a bunch of games that are reaching this quality. See my other thread. Infact i've seen a MGS4 screen thats pretty close to this.


In fact the foilage in that Crysis screen isn't that impressive. The vines look a lot like MGS4's.



Everything else is great and all, but its nothing that can't be done on consoles. See Far Cry 2.Adrian_Cloud

You are making very general, broad looks at the games.

Without actually looking closely, yes, they do compare, but they aren't quite as good.

But, just as the laws of diminish returns point out, once you get to a certain point, graphics start to come down to the DETAILS and not just the general look.

MGS 4 looks great. But the textures break down upon close examination. The foliage is flat and clearly textures, the bumps on the ground are obviously textures.

Compare it with Crysis where all the details are sorted out.

You OBVIOUSLY have never seen Crysis in motion on Very High settings otherwise you wouldn't be saying a thing.

Not even the PC version of Far Cry 2 is touching Crysis in graphics, let alone the console versions which don't hold up on examination...

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

This is Crysis, and there are a bunch of games that are reaching this quality. See my other thread. Infact i've seen a MGS4 screen thats pretty close to this.


In fact the foilage in that Crysis screen isn't that impressive. The vines look a lot like MGS4's.



Everything else is great and all, but its nothing that can't be done on consoles. See Far Cry 2.horrowhip

You are making very general, broad looks at the games.

Without actually looking closely, yes, they do compare, but they aren't quite as good.

But, just as the laws of diminish returns point out, once you get to a certain point, graphics start to come down to the DETAILS and not just the general look.

MGS 4 looks great. But the textures break down upon close examination. The foliage is flat and clearly textures, the bumps on the ground are obviously textures.

Compare it with Crysis where all the details are sorted out.

You OBVIOUSLY have never seen Crysis in motion on Very High settings otherwise you wouldn't be saying a thing.

Not even the PC version of Far Cry 2 is touching Crysis in graphics, let alone the console versions which don't hold up on examination...

If graphics diminish from a screenshot, then that is incredible. Because nothing in the screenshot is changing, maybe its just your perspective. :|

I've SEEN crysis on very high settings, and yes it is jaw dropping. It will still be jaw dropping, when other games like stalker look almost as good.

If graphics diminish from a screenshot, then that is incredible. Because nothing in the screenshot is changing, maybe its just your perspective. :|

I've SEEN crysis on very high settings, and yes it is jaw dropping. It will still be jaw dropping, when other games like stalker look almost as good.

Adrian_Cloud

I never said no PC game would match Crysis...

STALKER could very well match Crysis because STALKER always had the textures to match Crysis, just not the lighting and effects...

But with DX10, it looks like it could match Crysis.

But on consoles it isn't possible to do everything that Crysis does because there simply is not enough RAM.

Crysis and STALKER: Clear Sky take up all 512 MB of VRAM in an 8800 GT, use every single stream processor and make use of every single vertex calculation possible to get the lighting, textures, and effects to look amazing.

And then, they use the 2GB of RAM elsewhere to load the level, handle the physics, handle the AI, and do everything else the game needs to do...

Now, the consoles have to do ALL OF THE ABOVE on the 512 MB of RAM that Crysis and STALKER: Clear Sky are using for the TEXTURES. And then, for the lighting, they have to somehow match a GPU with twice as many stream processors and twice as many possible vertex calculations. And for the physics, they need to somehow find more RAM. And for the level they are still looking for more RAM. And the physics still need more RAM....

My point is, it is LITERALLY impossible to do everything that Crysis and STALKER: Clear Sky(and even Far Cry 2 PC) are doing on consoles unless you tone down everything. And Far Cry 2 on consoles does just that. The textures are lower res, the physics have framerate issues because they are having to alternate frames with the AI and other stuff. The AI is not reacting as well as it should. The lighting doesn't have the big lighting technique that the PC is implementing (Advanced Indirect Lighting). The original proposed version game was slightly consolidated to fit consoles. Instead of one huge streaming 50 sq km map, they toned both console and PC down to two seperate 25 sq km maps. Still very large, but not as large. The consoles have a much shorter draw distance with noticable pop-in. Both 360 and PS3 have screen tearing and aliasing issues.

The limitations and problems are apparent. Still, the console version are very impressive in their own rights. Best graphics on consoles. But trying to tell me that they match the PC version of Far Cry 2, let alone Crysis.... Well, just looking closely proves you wrong.

PC can't even run Crysis level graphics much less any console. With that said, I hope we never see anything on the lines of Crysis. I would rather see more creative games with unique environments, not some ultra realistic foliage that pales in comparison to my backyard :shock: Want to see games more taxing to my sensory rather than my processor

To answer your question more directly, we probably won't from a technical level but we already have games that are more pleasing to look at from an sty1e and esthetics POV.

ahh i work at microsoft and one of the tech guys managed to emulate crysis on 360 hardware and played it fine....

i think we are forgetting about far cry 2 comming out if that isn't proof enough

lotrgamer7

Honestly, Farcry 2 isn't far away from crysis visuals. When you consider the envoirnments and the textures, it looks very impressive. I know i am in the minority when i say this, but i don't think crisis is that much of a stretch for the ps3 and 360.