Do you think MS has done as much for gaming as Sony and Nintendo have ?

Nintendo saved gaming from collapse in the 80's ad Sony brought gaming to the mainstream and made it socially acceptable. Although Online for consoles was 1st brought up by the DreamCast but Xbox did make it a whole lot better and easier to get into. Sure online is huge but I don't think its that big of a deal, its more PC then console, the day console gaming starts putting so much emphasis on online and reduce the singpleplyer experience is the day console gaming dies I have to say.

Sony and Nintendo contribute greatly to consoles with their inhouse devs, both companies have given console gaming steller titles and unique/inovative titles only available on console and not PC, The way MS is running its gaming devision it seems they care more about PC style gaming then console ways. I am not saying this out of fanboyism I just see MS wanting 360 to be like a PC with online, DLC, add-ons etc, everything that the PC does. Now sure PS3 does online and stuff but you can tell Sony care about console gaming since they churn out titles that are available on consoles and not PC's apart from their online devision ofcourse.

What do you guys think ?

No they havent but why are you making it seem like making consoles more PC-like is a bad thing?

Or to rephrase my question, why are you making it seem like Sony and Nintendo aredoing some sort of moral justice by keeping their games on consoles for the most part, while MS isnt?

Your kididng yourself if you think sony or ninty "care" about console gaming. they just dont make PCs.

Sony and MS havn't really done much imo.

Nintendo however were the greatest game company for 20 years and there was really nothing to match it when Zelda and Super Mario made their debut.

Yup, they have I think.

Ninty brought gaming back to life.
Sony ushered in a mature era of gaming.
MS ushered in an online-centric era of gaming.

Sony and MS havn't really done much imo.

Nintendo however were the greatest game company for 20 years and there was really nothing to match it when Zelda and Super Mario made their debut.

angelkimne

dvd playback and cd playback

bring mature gamers in the market not just teens and children.

if a company that has brought nothing to gaming how did they become number 1 in one generation.

having a market of 30 million to 100 million is huge don't you think.

Ms brought Halo which brought all kinds of gamers together and made lan parties "cool" and made multiplayer very popular. It also introduced the first "real" online networkkrp008

Wrong. I'm pretty sure that was the Sega Dreamcast. You have them to thank for online gaming on consoles.

ARE YOU RETARTED. NEVER THEY KILLED THE GAMING FOR REAL GAMERS!.ADDING AUTO AIM TO EVERY GAME. STEALING FROM SONY AND NINTNEDO. LOOK AT THE NEW DASH BOARD THATS COMING WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE...MMMMMM THINK ABOUT IT!sonicmask

Sony copied off of MS on pretty much everything. and Nintendo copied off of MS with the online store and downloadable games. Its business kid

[QUOTE="krp008"]Ms brought Halo which brought all kinds of gamers together and made lan parties "cool" and made multiplayer very popular. It also introduced the first "real" online networkxYamatox

Wrong. I'm pretty sure that was the Sega Dreamcast. You have them to thank for online gaming on consoles.

i said REAL network

Ms brought Halo which brought all kinds of gamers together and made lan parties "cool" and made multiplayer very popular. It also introduced the first "real" online networkkrp008

i will agree that halo made online fun and maintream...i will no, no it did NOT make lan parties "cool" no just.......no.

[QUOTE="krp008"]Ms brought Halo which brought all kinds of gamers together and made lan parties "cool" and made multiplayer very popular. It also introduced the first "real" online networkZaibach

i will agree that halo made online fun and maintream...i will no, no it did NOT make lan parties "cool" no just.......no.

lan parties as in maybe hooking up one 2 xbox's together at a friends house while sleeping over (i was maybe 13-14 when Halo came out).

Ms STOLE Halo which brought all kinds of gamers together and made lan parties "cool" and made multiplayer very popular. It also introduced the first "real" online networkkrp008

Fixed.

And Counter-Strike wasn't popular?

Its numbers regularly surpass those of Halo 3, and its nearly 10 years old.

[QUOTE="krp008"]Ms STOLE Halo which brought all kinds of gamers together and made lan parties "cool" and made multiplayer very popular. It also introduced the first "real" online networkdgsag

Fixed.

And Counter-Strike wasn't popular?

Its numbers regularly surpass those of Halo 3, and its nearly 10 years old.

the mainstream, aka normal people, dont play PC games other than maybe WOW. And btw any computer can run CS, and there are millions of more cheap little PC's in the world hooked up to the internet. Halo made gaming cool

[QUOTE="sonicmask"]ARE YOU RETARTED. NEVER THEY KILLED THE GAMING FOR REAL GAMERS!.ADDING AUTO AIM TO EVERY GAME. STEALING FROM SONY AND NINTNEDO. LOOK AT THE NEW DASH BOARD THATS COMING WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE...MMMMMM THINK ABOUT IT!krp008

Sony copied off of MS on pretty much everything. and Nintendo copied off of MS with the online store and downloadable games. Its business kid

don't say psn button on the controller because the psp had it first.

don't say trophies because games have had high scores charts from day one of gaming. so tell me what has sony copied from microsoft.

ok for micrsoft to steal the button layout from the controler adding shoulder buttons this gen. i think you need to ask yourself exatly what sony took from micrsoft.

micrsoft are the ones coping everone avatars anyone.

MS does not know how to create, only how to steal and monopolize. This is their business creed and nobody has ever cared because there is nothing they can do about it. MS controls the PC industry, and as more and more people buy into their system, they might soon control the gaming industry if gamers aren't careful. Atari crashed the gaming scene when it flooded the market with generic and repetitive games, and MS is following those same ideologies.

Look at Vista as an example. MS tried to release a sub-par, broken product to the public, and they had no shame about it. They did the same with the 360. Again, no shame at releasing a broken product.

I have no faith in MS anymore. I hate windows, and I don't care much for the 360, and I weep for the poor people that are fueling MS monopoly machine, because when they win- gamers will lose.

[QUOTE="krp008"]

[QUOTE="sonicmask"]ARE YOU RETARTED. NEVER THEY KILLED THE GAMING FOR REAL GAMERS!.ADDING AUTO AIM TO EVERY GAME. STEALING FROM SONY AND NINTNEDO. LOOK AT THE NEW DASH BOARD THATS COMING WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE...MMMMMM THINK ABOUT IT!GARRYTH

Sony copied off of MS on pretty much everything. and Nintendo copied off of MS with the online store and downloadable games. Its business kid

don't say psn button on the controller because the psp had it first.

don't say trophies because games have had high scores charts from day one of gaming. so tell me what has sony copied from microsoft.

ok for micrsoft to steal the button layout from the controler adding shoulder buttons this gen. i think you need to ask yourself exatly what sony took from micrsoft.

micrsoft are the ones coping everone avatars anyone.

calm down buddy. dont cry on me now

xbox live, thanks too microsoft 80% of games now come with some form of online integration.pro-nathan-07

MS does not know how to create, only how to steal and monopolize. This is their business creed and nobody has ever cared because there is nothing they can do about it. MS controls the PC industry, and as more and more people buy into their system, they might soon control the gaming industry if gamers aren't careful. Atari crashed the gaming scene when it flooded the market with generic and repetitive games, and MS is following those same ideologies.

Look at Vista as an example. MS tried to release a sub-par, broken product to the public, and they had no shame about it. They did the same with the 360. Again, no shame at releasing a broken product.

I have no faith in MS anymore. I hate windows, and I don't care much for the 360, and I weep for the poor people that are fueling MS monopoly machine, because when they win- gamers will lose.

efrucht

its business, get over it

MS does not know how to create, only how to steal and monopolize. This is their business creed and nobody has ever cared because there is nothing they can do about it. MS controls the PC industry, and as more and more people buy into their system, they might soon control the gaming industry if gamers aren't careful. Atari crashed the gaming scene when it flooded the market with generic and repetitive games, and MS is following those same ideologies.

Look at Vista as an example. MS tried to release a sub-par, broken product to the public, and they had no shame about it. They did the same with the 360. Again, no shame at releasing a broken product.

I have no faith in MS anymore. I hate windows, and I don't care much for the 360, and I weep for the poor people that are fueling MS monopoly machine, because when they win- gamers will lose.

efrucht

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="krp008"]

[QUOTE="sonicmask"]ARE YOU RETARTED. NEVER THEY KILLED THE GAMING FOR REAL GAMERS!.ADDING AUTO AIM TO EVERY GAME. STEALING FROM SONY AND NINTNEDO. LOOK AT THE NEW DASH BOARD THATS COMING WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE...MMMMMM THINK ABOUT IT!krp008

Sony copied off of MS on pretty much everything. and Nintendo copied off of MS with the online store and downloadable games. Its business kid

don't say psn button on the controller because the psp had it first.

don't say trophies because games have had high scores charts from day one of gaming. so tell me what has sony copied from microsoft.

ok for micrsoft to steal the button layout from the controler adding shoulder buttons this gen. i think you need to ask yourself exatly what sony took from micrsoft.

micrsoft are the ones coping everone avatars anyone.

calm down buddy. dont cry on me now

xbox 1 was a why better hardware now they gave us crap for a console.

Microsoft and Sony have given gamers great games to play, among other things, but Nintendo is on a whole other level.

Nintendo saved gaming from collapse in the 80's ad Sony brought gaming to the mainstream and made it socially acceptable. Although Online for consoles was 1st brought up by the DreamCast but Xbox did make it a whole lot better and easier to get into. Sure online is huge but I don't think its that big of a deal, its more PC then console, the day console gaming starts putting so much emphasis on online and reduce the singpleplyer experience is the day console gaming dies I have to say.

Sony and Nintendo contribute greatly to consoles with their inhouse devs, both companies have given console gaming steller titles and unique/inovative titles only available on console and not PC, The way MS is running its gaming devision it seems they care more about PC style gaming then console ways. I am not saying this out of fanboyism I just see MS wanting 360 to be like a PC with online, DLC, add-ons etc, everything that the PC does. Now sure PS3 does online and stuff but you can tell Sony care about console gaming since they churn out titles that are available on consoles and not PC's apart from their online devision ofcourse.

What do you guys think ?

Swift_Boss_A

Some people need to give credit where credit is due... MS really pushed online gaming to new heights. I have a feeling there wouldnt be a "PSN" without Xbox Live.

And yeah, MS isnt the most innovative company all the time. (Avatars, Zune, Xbox Vision, Lips, etc) but they have had their innovative moments. Not to mention MS isnt the only people who copy, heck Sony copied Xbox Live.

[QUOTE="efrucht"]

MS does not know how to create, only how to steal and monopolize. This is their business creed and nobody has ever cared because there is nothing they can do about it. MS controls the PC industry, and as more and more people buy into their system, they might soon control the gaming industry if gamers aren't careful. Atari crashed the gaming scene when it flooded the market with generic and repetitive games, and MS is following those same ideologies.

Look at Vista as an example. MS tried to release a sub-par, broken product to the public, and they had no shame about it. They did the same with the 360. Again, no shame at releasing a broken product.

I have no faith in MS anymore. I hate windows, and I don't care much for the 360, and I weep for the poor people that are fueling MS monopoly machine, because when they win- gamers will lose.

krp008

its business, get over it

And when business compromises the quality of the product, are we supposed to just "get over it?"

If everybody thought like you then MS would control gaming by now and gaming would be dead inside a year. As much as we hate to admit it, gaming is an art, and it requires artists. MS is out to replace those artists with printing machines. The result is genre saturation, bland gameplay, and zero innovation. Innovation is what drives this industry.

Halo 3 is an example.... Nothing in that game was original. At all. Not even an original concept.Yet MS fans tout it as god's gift to gaming. No, not really. It is a generic outing taht you only bought because it has the name of Halo 2 plus 1. Now Halo 2.... that was innovative, and it was amazing.

Some people need to give credit where credit is due... MS really pushed online gaming to new heights. I have a feeling there wouldnt be a "PSN" without Xbox Live.

And yeah, MS isnt the most innovative company all the time. (Avatars, Zune, Xbox Vision, Lips, etc) but they have had their innovative moments. Not to mention MS isnt the only people who copy, heck Sony copied Xbox Live.

carljohnson3456

Have they innovated anything?? Live is basically a ripoff of other systems that were already on PC. Bringing it to consoles is something they have done, but thats not really innovating.

[QUOTE="efrucht"]

MS does not know how to create, only how to steal and monopolize. This is their business creed and nobody has ever cared because there is nothing they can do about it. MS controls the PC industry, and as more and more people buy into their system, they might soon control the gaming industry if gamers aren't careful. Atari crashed the gaming scene when it flooded the market with generic and repetitive games, and MS is following those same ideologies.

Look at Vista as an example. MS tried to release a sub-par, broken product to the public, and they had no shame about it. They did the same with the 360. Again, no shame at releasing a broken product.

I have no faith in MS anymore. I hate windows, and I don't care much for the 360, and I weep for the poor people that are fueling MS monopoly machine, because when they win- gamers will lose.

JPOBS

MS kinda brought console online gaming to new heights, but Sony and Nintendo have definitely done more for gaming as a whole. gamefreakomega

I agree here.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

Some people need to give credit where credit is due... MS really pushed online gaming to new heights. I have a feeling there wouldnt be a "PSN" without Xbox Live.

And yeah, MS isnt the most innovative company all the time. (Avatars, Zune, Xbox Vision, Lips, etc) but they have had their innovative moments. Not to mention MS isnt the only people who copy, heck Sony copied Xbox Live.

EmperorSupreme

Have they innovated anything?? Live is basically a ripoff of other systems that were already on PC. Bringing it to consoles is something they have done, but thats not really innovating.

The whole cohesive experience was quite innovative. Having movies, trailers, demos, dlc, achievements, etc, all on one system. Steam has really caught up to it now that it supports achievements. It totally killed off any chance of Windows Live being a success.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

Some people need to give credit where credit is due... MS really pushed online gaming to new heights. I have a feeling there wouldnt be a "PSN" without Xbox Live.

And yeah, MS isnt the most innovative company all the time. (Avatars, Zune, Xbox Vision, Lips, etc) but they have had their innovative moments. Not to mention MS isnt the only people who copy, heck Sony copied Xbox Live.

EmperorSupreme

Have they innovated anything?? Live is basically a ripoff of other systems that were already on PC. Bringing it to consoles is something they have done, but thats not really innovating.

Well, let's face it... if MS hadnt done it, Sony or Nintendo wouldnt have done it.

But you can always say Nintendo didnt do anything for gaming that was innovative because they basically upgraded and Atari. Or that Sony never "modernized" gaming for mature audiences because Sega had Mortal Kombat that was mature before Sony.

At the end of the day, online console gaming was pushed forward by MS.

And when business compromises the quality of the product, are we supposed to just "get over it?"

If everybody thought like you then MS would control gaming by now and gaming would be dead inside a year. As much as we hate to admit it, gaming is an art, and it requires artists. MS is out to replace those artists with printing machines. The result is genre saturation, bland gameplay, and zero innovation. Innovation is what drives this industry.

Halo 3 is an example.... Nothing in that game was original. At all. Not even an original concept.Yet MS fans tout it as god's gift to gaming. No, not really. It is a generic outing taht you only bought because it has the name of Halo 2 plus 1. Now Halo 2.... that was innovative, and it was amazing.

efrucht

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="efrucht"]

MS does not know how to create, only how to steal and monopolize. This is their business creed and nobody has ever cared because there is nothing they can do about it. MS controls the PC industry, and as more and more people buy into their system, they might soon control the gaming industry if gamers aren't careful. Atari crashed the gaming scene when it flooded the market with generic and repetitive games, and MS is following those same ideologies.

Look at Vista as an example. MS tried to release a sub-par, broken product to the public, and they had no shame about it. They did the same with the 360. Again, no shame at releasing a broken product.

I have no faith in MS anymore. I hate windows, and I don't care much for the 360, and I weep for the poor people that are fueling MS monopoly machine, because when they win- gamers will lose.

efrucht

efrucht you are right, MS has contributed very little as a company. They have invented almost nothing, which is very sad for a company there size. They let other people invent then use their money to buy the market after someone else did the work to create it.

I beleive that Microsoft has brought some good things to the CONSOLE (Read this well you PC gamers, I stated console for a reason) gaming community.

1. Standard Hard Drives

First off Microsoft introduced standard Hard Drives with the Xbox, therefore eliminating the need to have multiple memory cards. *Dunno why they didn't keep it that way with the 360.

2. Lan parties

With titles like Halo, Microsoft made consoles LAN parties a new cool thing to do with your friends. Before hand, LAN parties were reserved for PC gamers only (ex: CS)

3. Online Gaming

While Sega introduced it first with the Dreamcast, which died off a while back, Microsoft has been able to standardise it. When someone reviews a game this generation, one of the most important features for most games is the online multiplayer. Good examples for this are Halo 2-3, Call of Duty 4, MGO, etc.

4. Other features

Microsoft has many other smaller aspects that are important too, such as Online Marketplace, Arcade titles, Custom Soundtracks, etc.

In conclusion, while many fanboys pretend to deny that Microsoft has helped improve the console gaming universe, it can be said that they haven't revolutionised the console world.

i see a lot of mature gamers bs for sony

the mature gamers are the ones that have been around for a long time

stuck up gamers are the playstation brand. this is not to say mature gamers cant like the ps1/2/3 just that chances are a "mature gamer" started before then

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"][QUOTE="krp008"]

[QUOTE="sonicmask"]ARE YOU RETARTED. NEVER THEY KILLED THE GAMING FOR REAL GAMERS!.ADDING AUTO AIM TO EVERY GAME. STEALING FROM SONY AND NINTNEDO. LOOK AT THE NEW DASH BOARD THATS COMING WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE...MMMMMM THINK ABOUT IT!krp008

Sony copied off of MS on pretty much everything. and Nintendo copied off of MS with the online store and downloadable games. Its business kid

don't say psn button on the controller because the psp had it first.

don't say trophies because games have had high scores charts from day one of gaming. so tell me what has sony copied from microsoft.

ok for micrsoft to steal the button layout from the controler adding shoulder buttons this gen. i think you need to ask yourself exatly what sony took from micrsoft.

micrsoft are the ones coping everone avatars anyone.

calm down buddy. dont cry on me now

gaming yes

PC gaming mainly

but

console gaming they have redifined online play

i see a lot of mature gamers bs for sony

the mature gamers are the ones that have been around for a long time

stuck up gamers are the playstation brand. this is not to say mature gamers cant like the ps1/2/3 just that chances are a "mature gamer" started before then

surrealnumber5

I think most people mean "mature games". Sure there were violent, mature themed games before the PS1, but when the Playstation came out they made it almost mainstream. That's my view on it anyway.

I beleive that Microsoft has brought some good things to the CONSOLE (Read this well you PC gamers, I stated console for a reason) gaming community.

1. Standard Hard Drives

First off Microsoft introduced standard Hard Drives with the Xbox, therefore eliminating the need to have multiple memory cards. *Dunno why they didn't keep it that way with the 360.

yeah it was preety damn stupid for MS to not have a standard HDD for 360, lots of devs didn't like this move either

2. Lan parties

With titles like Halo, Microsoft made consoles LAN parties a new cool thing to do with your friends. Before hand, LAN parties were reserved for PC gamers only (ex: CS)

Yeah I guess thats cool and all I guess

3. Online Gaming

While Sega introduced it first with the Dreamcast, which died off a while back, Microsoft has been able to standardise it. When someone reviews a game this generation, one of the most important features for most games is the online multiplayer. Good examples for this are Halo 2-3, Call of Duty 4, MGO, etc.

Online is great but it should never be the emhasis of a great game, I feel that great singpleplayer games are getting marked down due to lack of online multiplayer.

4. Other features

Microsoft has many other smaller aspects that are important too, such as Online Marketplace, Arcade titles, Custom Soundtracks, etc.

Custom soundtracks.. yuck, I really hate the emhasis on CS some gamers have, really it just ruins the atmosphere of a game. Can you imagine playing a survival horror game while listening to alternatic rock, or laying a platformer while listening to hip-hop. Hate it.

In conclusion, while many fanboys pretend to deny that Microsoft has helped improve the console gaming universe, it can be said that they haven't revolutionised the console world.

I honestly think your giving far too much credit, what MS is doing is replicating whats been done on PC's but to consoles, Console gaming is not meant to be like PC gaming, while online is the emphasis for PC games it should never be for console gaming.

wizardwd

Nintendo is like the Hulk Hogan of the video game world...without hulk wrestling wouldn't be have reached such heights...

sony is like the stone cold of the video game world...changed the demographics and brought in a certain attitude and a mature gamer

microsoft is like the john cena...pretty solid entertainer and wrestler but doesn't have that wow and superster factor that trandscends wrestling like austin and hogan...

I beleive that Microsoft has brought some good things to the CONSOLE (Read this well you PC gamers, I stated console for a reason) gaming community.

1. Standard Hard Drives

First off Microsoft introduced standard Hard Drives with the Xbox, therefore eliminating the need to have multiple memory cards. *Dunno why they didn't keep it that way with the 360.

2. Lan parties

With titles like Halo, Microsoft made consoles LAN parties a new cool thing to do with your friends. Before hand, LAN parties were reserved for PC gamers only (ex: CS)

lan parties are NOT "cool"!!!!. go to actual parties is what i used to tell ppl back in the day. it wasnt cool back then and guess what?

time has not sweetened it. :?

3. Online Gaming

While Sega introduced it first with the Dreamcast, which died off a while back, Microsoft has been able to standardise it. When someone reviews a game this generation, one of the most important features for most games is the online multiplayer. Good examples for this are Halo 2-3, Call of Duty 4, MGO, etc.

4. Other features

Microsoft has many other smaller aspects that are important too, such as Online Marketplace, Arcade titles, Custom Soundtracks, etc.

In conclusion, while many fanboys pretend to deny that Microsoft has helped improve the console gaming universe, it can be said that they haven't revolutionised the console world.

wizardwd

Nintendo is like the Hulk Hogan of the video game world...without hulk wrestling wouldn't be have reached such heights...

sony is like the stone cold of the video game world...changed the demographics and brought in a certain attitude and a mature gamer

microsoft is like the john cena...pretty solid entertainer and wrestler but doesn't have that wow and superster factor that trandscends wrestling like austin and hogan...

slystallion26

Stone Cold was the man.

Anyway, pretty decent comparisons to wrestlers. lol.