Do you think MS has done as much for gaming as Sony and Nintendo have ?

hold up TC..u think ms care about PC gaming more? what? u realize that most PC gaming fans are pointing and laughing at MSs comments about them "saving PC gaming" and all that tripe. as far as gaming is concerned, nintendo have done more good for the PC in the last 6 years than MS have. if the PC were a console and MS were its manufacturer then they would make sega look like business geniouses with the dreamcast. on the PC side, there an absolute disgrace on the gamign front....a laughing stock. seriosuly atari looked smarter when they went out of business. thank god th PC isnt locked down like a console and thank all gods that there may be that its not reliant on MS to survive as a gaming platform.

however to answer ure question. no they havent done as much but there only on their second console. they have brought some positives to the console market though. they have dragged consoles kicking and screaming into online play. neither sony nor ninty would have bothered with an online system of any worth at all if MS didnt show em how its done. they also brought in the idea if internal fast storage that can be used by devs as well as the user. the standard HDD in the xbox made alot of things more practical like custom soundtracks in games and data caching to reduce loading times and improve performance. why a HDD isnt standard in the 360 is beyond me though..absolutely stupid decision on MSs part.

they, through bungie, have also given console FPSs a serious kick in the arse. for better or worse, FPSs would not be such a big factor if MS werent involved. finally its nice to have someone in the console market to keep sony and ninty on their toes.

hehehehe....the idea that MS give a toss about PC gaming. thats a chuckle..thanks TC :D.

[QUOTE="angelkimne"]

Sony and MS havn't really done much imo.

Nintendo however were the greatest game company for 20 years and there was really nothing to match it when Zelda and Super Mario made their debut.

GARRYTH

dvd playback and cd playback

bring mature gamers in the market not just teens and children.

if a company that has brought nothing to gaming how did they become number 1 in one generation.

having a market of 30 million to 100 million is huge don't you think.

But its still not much compared to Ninty imo.

After watching both the Dreamcast and PS2 embarass themselves with some ugly online support, Microsoft took gaming where it needed to go and it hasn't look back since. The results: communication from all across the globe from console to console. The evolution of skills through online tournaments and simply playing more people than previous possible. Not to mention downloadable content, movies, and media center capabilities. There has also been an explosion in replayability in almost every game, and that is a huge impact. XBOXLIVE was a huge contribution to gaming...microsofts contribution. It set the standard for what Nintendo and Sony are only now trying to catch up to.

And if i'm not mistaken, the original XBOX was the first time that I didn't have to waste money on a memory card...which is obviously the direction that consoles have taken this gen.

If you hate on Micrsoft and you want to continuously try and make a biased case against them, than you will ignore stuff like the above. But for the fair-minded, it is really not difficult to see that although Microsoft hasn't been in the business that long, they have brought some big changes.

Yes I do believe Microsoft has done as much for gaming as Sony and Nintendo have.

Nintendo saved gaming 20 years ago, Sony brought it to the masses and Microsoft brought it online.

Don't give me this "Sega did it first" crap because as we all know full well, their online service and integration was nowhere near as advanced as the system Microsoft put into place five years ago with Xbox Live. Not even close.

To be honest, if Microsoft hadn't established the Xbox Live service, thereby lighting a fire under both Sony and Nintendo's collective asses, I don't think their online services would be anywhere near as advanced as they are now. Think about it for a second. Do you honestly believe Sony would be imporiving the PSN at the rate they're going if they weren't constantly trying to reach the bar set by Xbox Live?

Microsoft has contributed many great things to the world of gaming and to believe otherwise is false in my opinion. They pushed standard hard drives (and then abandoned them in the one of the most abrupt and embarrassingly stupid about faces I've ever seen), they expanded on console OS integration with the guide button (no, the PSP's Home button is not even in the same league) and as I mentioned before, they continue to be the leaders in the console online space. If those aren't meaningful contributions then I guess I don't know what is.

[QUOTE="wizardwd"]

I beleive that Microsoft has brought some good things to the CONSOLE (Read this well you PC gamers, I stated console for a reason) gaming community.

1. Standard Hard Drives

First off Microsoft introduced standard Hard Drives with the Xbox, therefore eliminating the need to have multiple memory cards. *Dunno why they didn't keep it that way with the 360.

yeah it was preety damn stupid for MS to not have a standard HDD for 360, lots of devs didn't like this move either

2. Lan parties

With titles like Halo, Microsoft made consoles LAN parties a new cool thing to do with your friends. Before hand, LAN parties were reserved for PC gamers only (ex: CS)

Yeah I guess thats cool and all I guess

3. Online Gaming

While Sega introduced it first with the Dreamcast, which died off a while back, Microsoft has been able to standardise it. When someone reviews a game this generation, one of the most important features for most games is the online multiplayer. Good examples for this are Halo 2-3, Call of Duty 4, MGO, etc.

Online is great but it should never be the emhasis of a great game, I feel that great singpleplayer games are getting marked down due to lack of online multiplayer.

I semi-agree with you on this one. It all depends on the game itself. I feel that for some games having only a singleplayer experience is great (ex: Bioshock), but for some games, I prefer having really great multiplayer (ex: Halo 3, CoD 4).

4. Other features

Microsoft has many other smaller aspects that are important too, such as Online Marketplace, Arcade titles, Custom Soundtracks, etc.

Custom soundtracks.. yuck, I really hate the emhasis on CS some gamers have, really it just ruins the atmosphere of a game. Can you imagine playing a survival horror game while listening to alternatic rock, or laying a platformer while listening to hip-hop. Hate it.

As you said, some games are meant to be played with the original soundtrack, but some games lack in that department. With the first Xbox, some games could add your music, if you had any stored on your drive, to the game. (ex: Rallysport) What I love about Custom Soundtracks is that it offers you the possibilty of listening to your own music. You don't need to use it, but it's still there if you want it.

In conclusion, while many fanboys pretend to deny that Microsoft has helped improve the console gaming universe, it can be said that they haven't revolutionised the console world.

I honestly think your giving far too much credit, what MS is doing is replicating whats been done on PC's but to consoles, Console gaming is not meant to be like PC gaming, while online is the emphasis for PC games it should never be for console gaming.

While we are both entitled to our own opinion, I am happy that you responded in a mature way, compared to some troll that roam on this board.

Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="wizardwd"]

I beleive that Microsoft has brought some good things to the CONSOLE (Read this well you PC gamers, I stated console for a reason) gaming community.

1. Standard Hard Drives

First off Microsoft introduced standard Hard Drives with the Xbox, therefore eliminating the need to have multiple memory cards. *Dunno why they didn't keep it that way with the 360.

yeah it was preety damn stupid for MS to not have a standard HDD for 360, lots of devs didn't like this move either

2. Lan parties

With titles like Halo, Microsoft made consoles LAN parties a new cool thing to do with your friends. Before hand, LAN parties were reserved for PC gamers only (ex: CS)

Yeah I guess thats cool and all I guess

3. Online Gaming

While Sega introduced it first with the Dreamcast, which died off a while back, Microsoft has been able to standardise it. When someone reviews a game this generation, one of the most important features for most games is the online multiplayer. Good examples for this are Halo 2-3, Call of Duty 4, MGO, etc.

Online is great but it should never be the emhasis of a great game, I feel that great singpleplayer games are getting marked down due to lack of online multiplayer.

4. Other features

Microsoft has many other smaller aspects that are important too, such as Online Marketplace, Arcade titles, Custom Soundtracks, etc.

Custom soundtracks.. yuck, I really hate the emhasis on CS some gamers have, really it just ruins the atmosphere of a game. Can you imagine playing a survival horror game while listening to alternatic rock, or laying a platformer while listening to hip-hop. Hate it.

In conclusion, while many fanboys pretend to deny that Microsoft has helped improve the console gaming universe, it can be said that they haven't revolutionised the console world.

I honestly think your giving far too much credit, what MS is doing is replicating whats been done on PC's but to consoles, Console gaming is not meant to be like PC gaming, while online is the emphasis for PC games it should never be for console gaming.

Swift_Boss_A

at $50-$70 a game, single player games aren't going to do it anymore...no matter how spectacular. While games like Heavenly Sword might be fun, have an engaging story, and some pretty big boss battles...it doesn't quite justify it's pricetag unless you are going to play it 10 times through. If dev's want to lower prices and offer less, than that is a possibility. But if they want to charge as much as games like gears of Halo 3 or resistance, than they better offer comparable features.

Who said console gaming is not meant to be like PC gaming? I mean...gaming is gaming. You need to wake up and realize that the times are changing...this isn't the 80's consoles anymore...not only is online gaming possible on consoles, it is excelling. You cannot honestly give me one reason why consoles should back off of online. It was the most natural and obvious direction for consoles to take.

And MS were the ones that brought it right...so much credit to them.

[QUOTE="krp008"][QUOTE="efrucht"]

MS does not know how to create, only how to steal and monopolize. This is their business creed and nobody has ever cared because there is nothing they can do about it. MS controls the PC industry, and as more and more people buy into their system, they might soon control the gaming industry if gamers aren't careful. Atari crashed the gaming scene when it flooded the market with generic and repetitive games, and MS is following those same ideologies.

Look at Vista as an example. MS tried to release a sub-par, broken product to the public, and they had no shame about it. They did the same with the 360. Again, no shame at releasing a broken product.

I have no faith in MS anymore. I hate windows, and I don't care much for the 360, and I weep for the poor people that are fueling MS monopoly machine, because when they win- gamers will lose.

efrucht

its business, get over it

And when business compromises the quality of the product, are we supposed to just "get over it?"

If everybody thought like you then MS would control gaming by now and gaming would be dead inside a year. As much as we hate to admit it, gaming is an art, and it requires artists. MS is out to replace those artists with printing machines. The result is genre saturation, bland gameplay, and zero innovation. Innovation is what drives this industry.

Halo 3 is an example.... Nothing in that game was original. At all. Not even an original concept.Yet MS fans tout it as god's gift to gaming. No, not really. It is a generic outing taht you only bought because it has the name of Halo 2 plus 1. Now Halo 2.... that was innovative, and it was amazing.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"][QUOTE="wizardwd"]

I beleive that Microsoft has brought some good things to the CONSOLE (Read this well you PC gamers, I stated console for a reason) gaming community.

1. Standard Hard Drives

First off Microsoft introduced standard Hard Drives with the Xbox, therefore eliminating the need to have multiple memory cards. *Dunno why they didn't keep it that way with the 360.

yeah it was preety damn stupid for MS to not have a standard HDD for 360, lots of devs didn't like this move either

2. Lan parties

With titles like Halo, Microsoft made consoles LAN parties a new cool thing to do with your friends. Before hand, LAN parties were reserved for PC gamers only (ex: CS)

Yeah I guess thats cool and all I guess

3. Online Gaming

While Sega introduced it first with the Dreamcast, which died off a while back, Microsoft has been able to standardise it. When someone reviews a game this generation, one of the most important features for most games is the online multiplayer. Good examples for this are Halo 2-3, Call of Duty 4, MGO, etc.

Online is great but it should never be the emhasis of a great game, I feel that great singpleplayer games are getting marked down due to lack of online multiplayer.

4. Other features

Microsoft has many other smaller aspects that are important too, such as Online Marketplace, Arcade titles, Custom Soundtracks, etc.

Custom soundtracks.. yuck, I really hate the emhasis on CS some gamers have, really it just ruins the atmosphere of a game. Can you imagine playing a survival horror game while listening to alternatic rock, or laying a platformer while listening to hip-hop. Hate it.

In conclusion, while many fanboys pretend to deny that Microsoft has helped improve the console gaming universe, it can be said that they haven't revolutionised the console world.

I honestly think your giving far too much credit, what MS is doing is replicating whats been done on PC's but to consoles, Console gaming is not meant to be like PC gaming, while online is the emphasis for PC games it should never be for console gaming.

bezaire2005

at $50-$70 a game, single player games aren't going to do it anymore...no matter how spectacular. While games like Heavenly Sword might be fun, have an engaging story, and some pretty big boss battles...it doesn't quite justify it's pricetag unless you are going to play it 10 times through. If dev's want to lower prices and offer less, than that is a possibility. But if they want to charge as much as games like gears of Halo 3 or resistance, than they better offer comparable features.

Who said console gaming is not meant to be like PC gaming? I mean...gaming is gaming. You need to wake up and realize that the times are changing...this isn't the 80's consoles anymore...not only is online gaming possible on consoles, it is excelling. You cannot honestly give me one reason why consoles should back off of online. It was the most natural and obvious direction for consoles to take.

And MS were the ones that brought it right...so much credit to them.

Console gaming will always be behind PC gaming interms of online features and graphics etc, the only way console gamig can compete with PC gaming is for companies to bring out new consoles every 2-3 years. The thig I love aout console gaming is that you can have potentially 6-7 years of great games with out worrying abourt uprading, you can't say that about the PC. Anyway yeah online is important I didn't say it wasn't needed but it should not be the emphasis, like I said the day console gaming puts so much emphasis on online rather then great stories and singpleplayer experiences is the say console gaming is dead.

Both Sony & Nintendo deliver great console games catering to both singleplayer and online multplayer while I see MS concentrating on the online aspects much more and they make you pay for it !, although they do have great singleplayer experiences like Mass Effect but its also found on the PC, infact most 360 exclusives end up on PC even 1st party at times, I think its only a matter of time till Halo 3 is confirmed for PC like Halo and Halo 2 was.

MS does not know how to create, only how to steal and monopolize. This is their business creed and nobody has ever cared because there is nothing they can do about it. MS controls the PC industry, and as more and more people buy into their system, they might soon control the gaming industry if gamers aren't careful. Atari crashed the gaming scene when it flooded the market with generic and repetitive games, and MS is following those same ideologies.

Look at Vista as an example. MS tried to release a sub-par, broken product to the public, and they had no shame about it. They did the same with the 360. Again, no shame at releasing a broken product.

I have no faith in MS anymore. I hate windows, and I don't care much for the 360, and I weep for the poor people that are fueling MS monopoly machine, because when they win- gamers will lose.

efrucht

Very good post. The only thing I don't fully agree on is the repetative and generic games. Sure it has many that fit this description, but so do the other consoles this gen. I'm more angry at MS because they made FPS' by far the most popular genre on consoles so it made many devs ONLY focus on busting out a bunch of FPS'. MS also made online play the MAIN aspect that the new generation of gamers look at. It really is pathetic that people can forgive a 6 hour game if it has online play.

Although I haven't seen much that they have contributed, I believe that they will contribute a lot in the future, if they don't pull the plug on the Xbox too early.

Some people also don't realize that Sony moved forward into CDs with the original Playstation . With the PS2, we got DVDs. Now with the PS3, we have Blu-Ray. Without Sony, we probably would still have cartridges. They keep advancing on the formats, and made gaming socially acceptable.

Do you see any games these days that are still on cartridges?

Nintendo has done a lot as well. They brought back gaming after the crash. Mario had certainly saved the day. They always have something new, even if its a repetition of a game, with a new twist. Thats why I will ALWAYS respect Nintendo. Yeah, I'm a little dissappointed in the Wii, but hey, we can't have a perfect console all the time.

Nintendo is like the Hulk Hogan of the video game world...without hulk wrestling wouldn't be have reached such heights...

sony is like the stone cold of the video game world...changed the demographics and brought in a certain attitude and a mature gamer

microsoft is like the john cena...pretty solid entertainer and wrestler but doesn't have that wow and superster factor that trandscends wrestling like austin and hogan...

slystallion26

I like this.

My twist would be that MS would be someone who was famous but doesn't have longevity. I think of MS like Zues, Yokozuna, or the great gonzolas, once they got beat by the real champs they never returned.

[QUOTE="efrucht"]

MS does not know how to create, only how to steal and monopolize. This is their business creed and nobody has ever cared because there is nothing they can do about it. MS controls the PC industry, and as more and more people buy into their system, they might soon control the gaming industry if gamers aren't careful. Atari crashed the gaming scene when it flooded the market with generic and repetitive games, and MS is following those same ideologies.

Look at Vista as an example. MS tried to release a sub-par, broken product to the public, and they had no shame about it. They did the same with the 360. Again, no shame at releasing a broken product.

I have no faith in MS anymore. I hate windows, and I don't care much for the 360, and I weep for the poor people that are fueling MS monopoly machine, because when they win- gamers will lose.

Derek240

Very good post. The only thing I don't fully agree on is the repetative and generic games. Sure it has many that fit this description, but so do the other consoles this gen. I'm more angry at MS because they made FPS' by far the most popular genre on consoles so it made many devs ONLY focus on busting out a bunch of FPS'. MS also made online play the MAIN aspect that the new generation of gamers look at. It really is pathetic that people can forgive a 6 hour game if it has online play.

Yeah I hate how FPS have grown enormously this gen, its all the rage damn it.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"][QUOTE="wizardwd"]

I beleive that Microsoft has brought some good things to the CONSOLE (Read this well you PC gamers, I stated console for a reason) gaming community.

1. Standard Hard Drives

First off Microsoft introduced standard Hard Drives with the Xbox, therefore eliminating the need to have multiple memory cards. *Dunno why they didn't keep it that way with the 360.

yeah it was preety damn stupid for MS to not have a standard HDD for 360, lots of devs didn't like this move either

2. Lan parties

With titles like Halo, Microsoft made consoles LAN parties a new cool thing to do with your friends. Before hand, LAN parties were reserved for PC gamers only (ex: CS)

Yeah I guess thats cool and all I guess

3. Online Gaming

While Sega introduced it first with the Dreamcast, which died off a while back, Microsoft has been able to standardise it. When someone reviews a game this generation, one of the most important features for most games is the online multiplayer. Good examples for this are Halo 2-3, Call of Duty 4, MGO, etc.

Online is great but it should never be the emhasis of a great game, I feel that great singpleplayer games are getting marked down due to lack of online multiplayer.

4. Other features

Microsoft has many other smaller aspects that are important too, such as Online Marketplace, Arcade titles, Custom Soundtracks, etc.

Custom soundtracks.. yuck, I really hate the emhasis on CS some gamers have, really it just ruins the atmosphere of a game. Can you imagine playing a survival horror game while listening to alternatic rock, or laying a platformer while listening to hip-hop. Hate it.

In conclusion, while many fanboys pretend to deny that Microsoft has helped improve the console gaming universe, it can be said that they haven't revolutionised the console world.

I honestly think your giving far too much credit, what MS is doing is replicating whats been done on PC's but to consoles, Console gaming is not meant to be like PC gaming, while online is the emphasis for PC games it should never be for console gaming.

Swift_Boss_A

at $50-$70 a game, single player games aren't going to do it anymore...no matter how spectacular. While games like Heavenly Sword might be fun, have an engaging story, and some pretty big boss battles...it doesn't quite justify it's pricetag unless you are going to play it 10 times through. If dev's want to lower prices and offer less, than that is a possibility. But if they want to charge as much as games like gears of Halo 3 or resistance, than they better offer comparable features.

Who said console gaming is not meant to be like PC gaming? I mean...gaming is gaming. You need to wake up and realize that the times are changing...this isn't the 80's consoles anymore...not only is online gaming possible on consoles, it is excelling. You cannot honestly give me one reason why consoles should back off of online. It was the most natural and obvious direction for consoles to take.

And MS were the ones that brought it right...so much credit to them.

Console gaming will always be behind PC gaming interms of online features and graphics etc, the only way console gamig can compete with PC gaming is for companies to bring out new consoles every 2-3 years. The thig I love aout console gaming is that you can have potentially 6-7 years of great games with out worrying abourt uprading, you can't say that about the PC. Anyway yeah online is important I didn't say it wasn't needed but it should not be the emphasis, like I said the day console gaming puts so much emphasis on online rather then great stories and singpleplayer experiences is the say console gaming is dead.

Both Sony & Nintendo deliver great console games catering to both singleplayer and online multplayer while I see MS concentrating on the online aspects much more and they make you pay for it !, although they do have great singleplayer experiences like Mass Effect but its also found on the PC, infact most 360 exclusives end up on PC even 1st party at times, I think its only a matter of time till Halo 3 is confirmed for PC like Halo and Halo 2 was.

No..don't turn this into a consoles vs pc debate because that's not what I said. I couldn't care less about who's behind who, who started what, and who's the leader in whatever. My point was that consoles shouldn't avoid going in similar directions that the PC has gone in just so that people won't go "omg consoles are trying to copy pc's!". Online support was a necessary addition, and naturally the pc gamers are all going to go "but but but we started it first". But nobody cares. Like I said, gaming is gaming.

Personally, I don't buy into the whole "exclusives" crap. Microsoft is a big name in gaming, and a HUGE name in pc's. If Halo comes out for the xbox and than goes to the pc years later, I don't see how that is a knock against the xbox library as well. I guess idiots who want to argue in system wars can sit here and say "haha we got your games!!!" like a little 2 year old girl, but personally I've always had the stance that it is all a gain for gaming. I mean, I could see if EVERYBODY made it a point to maintain a high-end gaming PC AND own a 360..than I guess it would suck to have the same games on both...but for the most part that isn't the cas. I loved Mass Effect on the 360, I loved Halo 3 and Gears as well...and I think gamers in general should have the privledge of playing these games, whether that be on consoles or pc's. I'm not selfish, and I have nothing against people who I don't even know just because the own a different system that can play games. That's how it always was when I start gaming, it was all about the games. Maybe you are hoping that I reply to you and say "hell no, halo 3 would never go to pc's" but honestly I hope it does. It's a great game and I think everyone should at least give it a try.

First of all, it's not MS rolling out all of these games, it's the developers. So your entire reasoning is flawed when you say "MS is concentrating on online"...all they are going is supplying service for developers to take advantage of. Gears of War 2 is going to have great online, not because MS has decided that they are, but because the devs have. Halo 3 had great online, not because MS said "you are going to do online this way!", but because Bungie wanted to. To just compare MS to Sony when talking about which company is concentrating more on online gaming doesn't make sense. MS is just offering the service, it's teh devs who decided to use it and how to use it.

yes the made online gaming popularnaruto7777

MS basically invented console gaming. Think about it.....kevbo77

No:?

Sony and Microsoft have contributed nothing to the gaming worldkrunkfu2

if you look at it from a PC only perspective then this isn't too far from the truth

1 thing I can say that Microsoft has done for the gaming industry is making online gaming on consoles the next best thing. I know Sega brought online gaming first on consoles, but Microsoft made it a hit! Thanks to MS for not only taking Sega's idea, but making it bigger and better.

Many people will treat Sony as if they never took someone else's idea, but that's cool. They can believe that all they want. Sony...Every company takes the ideas of others and makes them better in some way. That's how things we formally know, change.

We all know, thanks to Microsoft, that Sony put online on the PS3 because the Xbox had it. If they didn't then the PS2 would've had it...

So yes, Microsoft has contributed to the gaming industry, by making Online Gaming on consoles, not only more robust, but a BIG hit. And I also thank Sega for helping Microsoft make this possible.

1 thing I can say that Microsoft has done for the gaming industry is making online gaming on consoles the next best thing. I know Sega brought online gaming first on consoles, but Microsoft made it a hit! Thanks to MS for not only taking Sega's idea, but making it bigger and better.

Many people will treat Sony as if they never took someone else's idea, but that's cool. They can believe that all they want. Sony...Every company takes the ideas of others and makes them better in some way. That's how things we formally know, change.

We all know, thanks to Microsoft, that Sony put online on the PS3 because the Xbox had it. If they didn't then the PS2 would've had it...

So yes, Microsoft has contributed to the gaming industry, by making Online Gaming on consoles, not only more robust, but a BIG hit. And I also thank Sega for helping Microsoft make this possible.

sargentbotk

Actualy no, Sony already had plans for PS2 to go online right in the beginning and it wasn't due to the xbox, this is why PS2 had a HDD expansion at the back, Sony was going to go ahead with online not becasuse of the xbox but because they also saw it to be important too, obviously they didn't get it right 1st time.

People need to learn a little history, read up on the Microsoft monopoly case in the late 90s, and how they were told they are not allowed to sell computer hardware or computers as a whole. The reason they got in the gaming market is because consoles are really close to PC's and it was a loophole in the system.

Microsoft doesn't care about gamers, never will, they just wanna run the show, and monopolize like usual.

Enjoy faulty hardware.

[QUOTE="krp008"]

[QUOTE="sonicmask"]ARE YOU RETARTED. NEVER THEY KILLED THE GAMING FOR REAL GAMERS!.ADDING AUTO AIM TO EVERY GAME. STEALING FROM SONY AND NINTNEDO. LOOK AT THE NEW DASH BOARD THATS COMING WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE...MMMMMM THINK ABOUT IT!GARRYTH

Sony copied off of MS on pretty much everything. and Nintendo copied off of MS with the online store and downloadable games. Its business kid

don't say psn button on the controller because the psp had it first.

don't say trophies because games have had high scores charts from day one of gaming. so tell me what has sony copied from microsoft.

ok for micrsoft to steal the button layout from the controler adding shoulder buttons this gen. i think you need to ask yourself exatly what sony took from micrsoft.

micrsoft are the ones coping everone avatars anyone.

Sony copied Microsofts online structure (store, downloadable games, themes, gamer card) SEGA didnt have any of this, they just provided an online service for certain games.

*Looks at psp for this magical button that apparently microsoft copied*....surely you dont mean the home button do you? thats pretty much a reset button on a psp. Sony copied MS with the psn button, you cant argue that fact. It does exactly the same thing the 360 button does (starts console, exits game, turns off controller, turns off console)

Trophies are awarded for doing certain tasks during the game, theres another name for that...oh yeah achievements. Its not even close to a high score chart (please think before posting)

the button layout has been copied since the SNES so dont act like Sony thought of that and also the shoulder buttons. Next your gonna tell me Nintendo copied Sony with rumble and analogue sticks *rolls eyes*

the funny thing is i own all 3 consoles so i dont care who copies who with designs and structure, its all about the games, i just like proving ignorant fanboys wrong.

Putting Sony and Nintendo in the same bracket is just funny as all hell.

No one has done for games all that Nintendo has done for games Period.

To be honest I would argue that MS has Done far more for games than Sony has.

Side Point (Did you all know that the Sega CD was out b-4 the Ps1? So dont think for one moment that CD games were a Sony thing first lol)

[QUOTE="sargentbotk"]

1 thing I can say that Microsoft has done for the gaming industry is making online gaming on consoles the next best thing. I know Sega brought online gaming first on consoles, but Microsoft made it a hit! Thanks to MS for not only taking Sega's idea, but making it bigger and better.

Many people will treat Sony as if they never took someone else's idea, but that's cool. They can believe that all they want. Sony...Every company takes the ideas of others and makes them better in some way. That's how things we formally know, change.

We all know, thanks to Microsoft, that Sony put online on the PS3 because the Xbox had it. If they didn't then the PS2 would've had it...

So yes, Microsoft has contributed to the gaming industry, by making Online Gaming on consoles, not only more robust, but a BIG hit. And I also thank Sega for helping Microsoft make this possible.

Swift_Boss_A

Actualy no, Sony already had plans for PS2 to go online right in the beginning and it wasn't due to the xbox, this is why PS2 had a HDD expansion at the back, Sony was going to go ahead with online not becasuse of the xbox but because they also saw it to be important too, obviously they didn't get it right 1st time.

Oh ok. Well then I stand corrected :) But I will still go by the rest of what I said.

MS just bought their way into gaming... Hardly innovative as Nintendo or Sony. Their only individual achievement is Xbox LIVE, and even its advantages are being eroded away slowly by a free PSN...dgsag

hey, it must hurt that PC gaming is dying eh

What has Sony done for gaming???

Atari has done more for gaming, hell

Issued in more mature gaming, no try the Genesis

All the games, although good, have various elements from other franchises, Sony themselves have done little

Microsoft, if you people forget, was responsible for the operating system on the dreamcast, and therefore the online features

Micorsoft has done more for gaming than sony

Nintendo has done more than both, by alot, I would argue that Atari, and Nintendo have both contibuted a TON to console gaming as we know it today, those are the two companies to admire for thier contributions

People need to learn a little history, read up on the Microsoft monopoly case in the late 90s, and how they were told they are not allowed to sell computer hardware or computers as a whole. The reason they got in the gaming market is because consoles are really close to PC's and it was a loophole in the system.

Microsoft doesn't care about gamers, never will, they just wanna run the show, and monopolize like usual.

Enjoy faulty hardware.

0rbs

Thats an unfair statement to make, every corporation in the world wants to monopolise and shove their products down our throats including sony and nintendo. None of the 3 companies care about gaming they care about the bottom line. Look at sony first they got arigant with the ps3 thinking that 120million ppl would just buy their product becuase they had a ps2 and i'm sure if they could they would buyout every single elcetronics comapny so you had to go out and buy their electronics exclusively, now look at nintendo this generation they are just selling the Wii, they are not delivering any qualtiy games for it (this isnt a statement against the inhouse dev teams, SSBB is one of my favourite games atm, but more at the fact they let anything get published on their system).In the end all the companies are the same.

NONE of the big 3 are small niche companies that want to give people what they want like stardock, they are there to make a profit at the end of the day.

And to actually add to the thread innovation will only come with more competition. This means microsoft did one of the greatest things ever in the console gaming world, they entered the market.

People need to learn a little history, read up on the Microsoft monopoly case in the late 90s, and how they were told they are not allowed to sell computer hardware or computers as a whole. The reason they got in the gaming market is because consoles are really close to PC's and it was a loophole in the system.

Microsoft doesn't care about gamers, never will, they just wanna run the show, and monopolize like usual.

Enjoy faulty hardware.

0rbs

I had a ps2...so obviously I do enjoy faulty hardware.

MS kinda brought console online gaming to new heights, but Sony and Nintendo have definitely done more for gaming as a whole. gamefreakomega

Agreed.

We all know, thanks to Microsoft, that Sony put online on the PS3 because the Xbox had it. If they didn't then the PS2 would've had it...

sargentbotk

That's not true, Sony went Online with Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3, SOCOM, and others way before XBOX LIVE WAS ever created.

Microsoft's efforts though, did keep Sony on the right track.

Good Lord, no. Ninty have done the most, followed by Sony, with MS in a very very distant third. They have pushed the online aspect of consoles but that's really it. They just aren't a creative company. As someone said earlier, they only know how to steal and monopolize. They are obsessed with the 360 becoming the next PlayStation and want all of the PlayStation's old exclusives instead of developing their own. They only own something like 4 developers, while Ninty own around 8 and Sony own around 22. I don't want the 360 to be the next PlayStation, I just want it to be the next Xbox.Floppy_Jim

Playstation will always be Playstation, Xbox should make a name for itself and not say they want to be the next palystation because it makes them sound desperate. Anyway wow I never knew Sony had so many internal devs, this is why i love the PS brand, the inhouse team are a real creative bunch.

The best thing Microsoft did for gaming was the online community they really made it come alive. A gaming community that could actually communicate all over the earth - no matter what dumb things we had to say . Re really can't cheapen the global factor with xbox live.

Now all the game systems have a online attribute. But sony on upped them with making it free plus the new Home.