Do you think PC gaming is overrated in System Wars?

Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.Cerberus_Legion

Why bother? It isn't like you would accept it even if we did prove it.... You can have your opinion. However, here the fact is the PC has more AAA/AA games. That counts for something. Sure they may be opinions too but the fact that the quantity of them is significantly larger at least means something.

PC gaming is heavily underated. The mere fact that console games get so much praise but your non name under the radar PC game constantly hits AA is proof of this. PC is definately the most underappreciated gaming platform out there.

Its pretty much fact that PC is underrated while consoles are overrated. Why?

Because the platform with the most AAE/AAAE games isn't viewed by the majority as the best. Consoles are overrated because come on people how many times do I have to hear 3 > 1?

THE FACT THAT PEOPLE RESORT TO SAYING CONSOLE GAMING > PC GAMING PROVES PC GAMING IS UNDERATED WHILE CONSOLE GAMING IS OVERATED.

Serioulsy if you have to add three platforms up to make an arguement against one then the rest should just come as common sense in the matter.

Blackbond

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]LMAO at all the PC Supremists, touting the superiority of the PC's gaming capabilities as FACT! Please, spare me the BS. Just because the PC has more AAA/Higher rated games, doesn't mean squat. You derive this so called FACT from a reviewer's OPINION, therefore it is not FACT, but an OPINION that PC gaming is superior. Get over yourself, and stop acting like a bunch of elitists. Damn, if the system works for you, fine, but don't give me this BS AAA and crap I care nothing about, especially concerning the regard of reviews as if they're fact, which in FACT, they're not. They're just another person's opinions, and it means not a damn thing in the grand scheme of things pertaining to other people who aren't interested.Cerberus_Legion

Cool these prime examples are flooding in today. :D

Keep it up "Oh so secure consolitez" your doing a good job at failing.

Consolite? I may prefer consoles, but I acknowledge the fact that there are great PC games that need playing. Where the problem arises is the tooting of the horn by the PC fanboys and supremists who continually spew BS from opinionated sources and physical differences to validate their cause, no more and no less. There is no fact, only opinion when it comes to preference and taste.

So wait a minute, earlier you said "Games Library doesnt count" even though its the biggest library, so I'm asking you, lets look at the 360 BEYOND GAMES:

Controller = PC Has it.

Friend Lists = PC has it.

Free Demos/films ect = PC has it CHEAPER.

Living Room Setup = PC can do it.

Gaming Profiles = Xfire.

P2P hosting games = PC has it.

Wireless control/media schemes = PC has it

Unified Gamer Score = PC DOESNT have it, nor will it be missed.... if thats the only thing the 360 has over the PC then seriously there is no arguement.

Ease of use: 360 wins sure, but those that spend alot of time gaming anyway could work out patchs & Drivers in about 5 minutes, most games today link you to them all from the launcher..... SERVER LOBBYs are just as easy and more accurated.

now for the PC:

Mods = 360 no.

Use any control scheme on the market (including wiimote) = 360 no

Free online with Dedicated servers which offers alot more community feal, "Regular players" and ofcourse full mod support = 360 no

Multitasking (While gaming) = 360 no, the Operating system lags like hell and the messagine is an abysmal, not to mention the tacky mic quality.

I could go on, feel free to add reasons in your defence, I dont see how a PC ... being the end all of home entertaiming computers isnt superior to a console? Past exclusive games ... which you didnt wish to include.

Tell me?

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]LMAO at all the PC Supremists, touting the superiority of the PC's gaming capabilities as FACT! Please, spare me the BS. Just because the PC has more AAA/Higher rated games, doesn't mean squat. You derive this so called FACT from a reviewer's OPINION, therefore it is not FACT, but an OPINION that PC gaming is superior. Get over yourself, and stop acting like a bunch of elitists. Damn, if the system works for you, fine, but don't give me this BS AAA and crap I care nothing about, especially concerning the regard of reviews as if they're fact, which in FACT, they're not. They're just another person's opinions, and it means not a damn thing in the grand scheme of things pertaining to other people who aren't interested.Cerberus_Legion

The pc is the best gaming platform it has the best hardware and games = fact. If the facts make you upset then go buy a gaming pc and stop crying. Your like a civic owner claiming that the bmw 335i is a waste of money and the reviewers at car and driver know nothing lmao.

Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.

If the most AAA's by review sites is not proof i don't know what to say.

Considering the number of PC-bashing threads (like this one, perhaps?), the PC is clearly underrated on System Wars.Planeforger

How is this a PC bashing thread?:?

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]LMAO at all the PC Supremists, touting the superiority of the PC's gaming capabilities as FACT! Please, spare me the BS. Just because the PC has more AAA/Higher rated games, doesn't mean squat. You derive this so called FACT from a reviewer's OPINION, therefore it is not FACT, but an OPINION that PC gaming is superior. Get over yourself, and stop acting like a bunch of elitists. Damn, if the system works for you, fine, but don't give me this BS AAA and crap I care nothing about, especially concerning the regard of reviews as if they're fact, which in FACT, they're not. They're just another person's opinions, and it means not a damn thing in the grand scheme of things pertaining to other people who aren't interested.Cerberus_Legion

The pc is the best gaming platform it has the best hardware and games = fact. If the facts make you upset then go buy a gaming pc and stop crying. Your like a civic owner claiming that the bmw 335i is a waste of money and the reviewers at car and driver know nothing lmao.

Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.

While I may not agree with some scores more often than not the reviewers get it right.

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.horrowhip

Why bother? It isn't like you would accept it even if we did prove it.... You can have your opinion. However, here the fact is the PC has more AAA/AA games. That counts for something. Sure they may be opinions too but the fact that the quantity of them is significantly larger at least means something.

Yes, it means something, but does it mean fact? This "fact" is compiled from "opinions," therefore their purpose is null and void. I can just come out and say on Gamerankings, consoles have 9 of the top 10 best games, just because of the ratings, but it's not worth it, even though the "fact" is there are, but again, they're just compiled from "opinions", so it really makes no difference. I'm merely arguing against the "compiled opinions = fact" contradiction, nothing more.

Maybe if PC's lasted more than a 1 year before needing to upgrade just to play games at stable framrates (which the consoles play just fine, just at lower res, but res doesn't even matter) it wouldn't be so over looked.

And big name titles > indie games. Keep saying PC has the most AAE/AAAE (lol whats the 'E') but in reality, its not helping the gaming industry.

wok7

PC hardware can last as long as you want it to. I would be fine playing ag ame on medium 3 years from now, as long as it looks better than consoles.

PC gaming is heavily underated. The mere fact that console games get so much praise but your non name under the radar PC game constantly hits AA is proof of this. PC is definately the most underappreciated gaming platform out there.

Its pretty much fact that PC is underrated while consoles are overrated. Why?

Because the platform with the most AAE/AAAE games isn't viewed by the majority as the best. Consoles are overrated because come on people how many times do I have to hear 3 > 1?

THE FACT THAT PEOPLE RESORT TO SAYING CONSOLE GAMING > PC GAMING PROVES PC GAMING IS UNDERATED WHILE CONSOLE GAMING IS OVERATED.

Serioulsy if you have to add three platforms up to make an arguement against one then the rest should just come as common sense in the matter.

Blackbond

It's just a term. I don't really need 3 to beat the 1. I mean, I like the PS2 more... I like the PS1 more...

And right now, 360 is more fun that PC. Wii is more than PC. PS3 is more fun than PC.

But that's just me, I know many would disagree and need all 3 to beat the 1 system.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="JLF1"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="JLF1"]If you want to use the standard argument then you have to take into account that the PCs standards has changed over the history so you can't use does millions of AAAs that came out 10 years ago to try to counter recent console games. The lack of superb Strategy and MMos don't hurt the concoles either.Easy of use might have it's drawbacks but so does the open platform on PC to. No visuses is a plus however you counter it. PC has this problem and consoles don'tdeadmeat59

So your telling me that the standards of the PC has not changed sence 1995?

Oh and about the all consoles are only low end PCs, your super computer that you got last year wont really stay that way this console generation. If you count PC-standard.

Viruses is a problem on PC, you can't take this out.

No I did not say that easy of use is not a superiority but a do acknowledge that the open platform on the PC is also one. It depends on the user what is better.

I don't attack the PC in anyway but I will defend the console if necessary. PC is a superior gaming platform if you can afford and have the time on it but consoles still beats it in some ways.

1) Probably has, but regaurdless, it still has the most starting from the Xbox360 release..... and it hsa the PS2 and backwards library YESI WENT THERE YES I SAID IT.

2) True for some games, but if you invested properly in the first place all you will be sacrificing is some Anti Aliasing and perhaps higher resolutions, failing that the 50% cheaper games than consoles would easily be put towards a simple graphic card update 2 years later an make no difference in pricing ontop of the actual system.

3) Viruses are not a problem, especially for home computers, aload of BS blown out of porportion, and like Vandal said, any serious ones will be on very VERY dodgy sites, its your problem if you end up there, I know I certainly dont.

4) Agreed somewhat.

5) welcome to everyday life as a PC Enthusiast on this board dispite being manticore 2 generations and curently havea 360/wii. Defending defending correcting correcting taking this "Elitest BS" because ignorant people dont like being educated on things that dont suit them.

Then I question what you do, either your blown this out of your behind to argue with me ( most likely ) , or you broke your PC somehow, the guy at the shop probably used it as an excuse to charge you more. either way.

Stay off shady sites, my god even torrents with viruses are no real threat.

Its your fault for upgrading to Vista. I still use XP and I'm perfectly fine. Early adopters are so naive. You can't just buy the most recent operating system and expect everything to be all hunky dory. You made a critical error in judgement, and thats your fault. For the most part, if you had stuck with XP you wouldn't be having issues. Drivers and compatibility issues are an issue of the past, again, misconception. Drivers come prepacked with games, and if you have a relatively new PC it will play all ne wgames. I'm not stating what I think, i'm stating what I know. Facts.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Its your fault for upgrading to Vista. I still use XP and I'm perfectly fine. Early adopters are so naive. You can't just buy the most recent operating system and expect everything to be all hunky dory. You made a critical error in judgement, and thats your fault. For the most part, if you had stuck with XP you wouldn't be having issues. Drivers and compatibility issues are an issue of the past, again, misconception. Drivers come prepacked with games, and if you have a relatively new PC it will play all ne wgames. I'm not stating what I think, i'm stating what I know. Facts.killab2oo5

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]LMAO at all the PC Supremists, touting the superiority of the PC's gaming capabilities as FACT! Please, spare me the BS. Just because the PC has more AAA/Higher rated games, doesn't mean squat. You derive this so called FACT from a reviewer's OPINION, therefore it is not FACT, but an OPINION that PC gaming is superior. Get over yourself, and stop acting like a bunch of elitists. Damn, if the system works for you, fine, but don't give me this BS AAA and crap I care nothing about, especially concerning the regard of reviews as if they're fact, which in FACT, they're not. They're just another person's opinions, and it means not a damn thing in the grand scheme of things pertaining to other people who aren't interested.ChiChiMonKilla

The pc is the best gaming platform it has the best hardware and games = fact. If the facts make you upset then go buy a gaming pc and stop crying. Your like a civic owner claiming that the bmw 335i is a waste of money and the reviewers at car and driver know nothing lmao.

Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.

While I may not agree with some scores more often than not the reviewers get it right.

No, it's sad that you don't get it. Popular opinion doesn't equate to fact. What equates to fact is the actual superiority of a game, which cannot be discerned because there are differing tastes and preferences, therefore it's impossible to ascertain the superiority of a platform without having any discrepancies pertaining to preference. You can give me the statistics all you want, but it's not fact until it's fact.

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Its your fault for upgrading to Vista. I still use XP and I'm perfectly fine. Early adopters are so naive. You can't just buy the most recent operating system and expect everything to be all hunky dory. You made a critical error in judgement, and thats your fault. For the most part, if you had stuck with XP you wouldn't be having issues. Drivers and compatibility issues are an issue of the past, again, misconception. Drivers come prepacked with games, and if you have a relatively new PC it will play all ne wgames. I'm not stating what I think, i'm stating what I know. Facts.Vandalvideo

I don't think that PC gaming is overrated but I do think that hermits are putting down console games as trash all the time.

Not a single hermit will admit that consoles can have a good strategy, fps or MMo. Every game on consoles somehow has a superior counterpart on PC? If a Lemming would start a thread and claim that Halo is a good game there will be a hermit claiming the game is mediocre on PC-standard. This irritates me very much. Another thing that irritates me is that consoles are often blamed as the reason to downgrade games when there are a lot of PC only gamesseries that's suffered the same fate.

I do think that PC is a superior gaming platfom if you can afford and put the time on it but to claim that PC is superior to consoles in every way is a flat out lie. If your a fan of platformers, fighters and jrpgs a PC won't feed that hunger. There is some games on PC but the superior ones are on consoles. Don't make my start about the claim that PC games is a lot more realistic then console games, the truth is, pc games has come a long way in realistic games but as long as you uses K/M you won't play it realistic.

Agreed,and I only posted the rest because you think that drivers and compatibility issues are not problems anymore...thats a "misconception".killab2oo5

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]LMAO at all the PC Supremists, touting the superiority of the PC's gaming capabilities as FACT! Please, spare me the BS. Just because the PC has more AAA/Higher rated games, doesn't mean squat. You derive this so called FACT from a reviewer's OPINION, therefore it is not FACT, but an OPINION that PC gaming is superior. Get over yourself, and stop acting like a bunch of elitists. Damn, if the system works for you, fine, but don't give me this BS AAA and crap I care nothing about, especially concerning the regard of reviews as if they're fact, which in FACT, they're not. They're just another person's opinions, and it means not a damn thing in the grand scheme of things pertaining to other people who aren't interested.Cerberus_Legion

The pc is the best gaming platform it has the best hardware and games = fact. If the facts make you upset then go buy a gaming pc and stop crying. Your like a civic owner claiming that the bmw 335i is a waste of money and the reviewers at car and driver know nothing lmao.

Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.

While I may not agree with some scores more often than not the reviewers get it right.

No, it's sad that you don't get it. Popular opinion doesn't equate to fact. What equates to fact is the actual superiority of a game, which cannot be discerned because there are differing tastes and preferences, therefore it's impossible to ascertain the superiority of a platform without having any discrepancies pertaining to preference. You can give me the statistics all you want, but it's not fact until it's fact.

Then why are you even on this forum? We go by the paper-based facts, the ammount of games and their ratings, the feature sets ect ect.

Id you want to hug your opinion, take it to bed, marry it , knock it up then go alsewhere or we just waste time responding to you on this subject, so you have an emotional attachment to your obviosuly biased towards consoles (All of them really?) then go blog it.

If we all were allowed our 100% opinions without room for logic & Paperbased arguements I would go to a freaking kids playgorund and discuss how a boxing midget could beat up superman.

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Agreed,and I only posted the rest because you think that drivers and compatibility issues are not problems anymore...thats a "misconception".Vandalvideo

I don't think that PC gaming is overrated but I do think that hermits are putting down console games as trash all the time.

Not a single hermit will admit that consoles can have a good strategy, fps or MMo. Every game on consoles somehow has a superior counterpart on PC? If a Lemming would start a thread and claim that Halo is a good game there will be a hermit claiming the game is mediocre on PC-standard. This irritates me very much. Another thing that irritates me is that consoles are often blamed as the reason to downgrade games when there are a lot of PC only gamesseries that's suffered the same fate.

I do think that PC is a superior gaming platfom if you can afford and put the time on it but to claim that PC is superior to consoles in every way is a flat out lie. If your a fan of platformers, fighters and jrpgs a PC won't feed that hunger. There is some games on PC but the superior ones are on consoles. Don't make my start about the claim that PC games is a lot more realistic then console games, the truth is, pc games has come a long way in realistic games but as long as you uses K/M you won't play it realistic.

JLF1

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.Cerberus_Legion

Why bother? It isn't like you would accept it even if we did prove it.... You can have your opinion. However, here the fact is the PC has more AAA/AA games. That counts for something. Sure they may be opinions too but the fact that the quantity of them is significantly larger at least means something.

Yes, it means something, but does it mean fact? This "fact" is compiled from "opinions," therefore their purpose is null and void. I can just come out and say on Gamerankings, consoles have 9 of the top 10 best games, just because of the ratings, but it's not worth it, even though the "fact" is there are, but again, they're just compiled from "opinions", so it really makes no difference. I'm merely arguing against the "compiled opinions = fact" contradiction, nothing more.

I understand what you have to say but the PC does have a better library of games. I don't really think that is debatable. As for the "top 10 games" on Gamerankings, if you were to look at those games side by side with other classic PC games, most of them are either no better or even worse. However, PC reviewers have a habit of giving games scores that they deserve or lower, but rarely higher. Console magazines on the other hand give away perfect scores like candy and act like any decent game deserves a 10.... I will admit that games like SMG, OoT, and Chrono Cross are among my all-time favorites. They do deserve their scores. Fallout, Fallout 2, Diablo 2, HL2 and quite a few others deserve much higher scores on Gamerankings.

It's weird that lemming are saying that hermit are elitist. There is a thread on first page that claim x360 is the best system, while the pc is completly absent. I've yet to see a thread saying the pc win, even if there is more people playing pc game worldwide at any time.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26198400

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

I don't think that PC gaming is overrated but I do think that hermits are putting down console games as trash all the time.

Not a single hermit will admit that consoles can have a good strategy, fps or MMo. Every game on consoles somehow has a superior counterpart on PC? If a Lemming would start a thread and claim that Halo is a good game there will be a hermit claiming the game is mediocre on PC-standard. This irritates me very much. Another thing that irritates me is that consoles are often blamed as the reason to downgrade games when there are a lot of PC only gamesseries that's suffered the same fate.

I do think that PC is a superior gaming platfom if you can afford and put the time on it but to claim that PC is superior to consoles in every way is a flat out lie. If your a fan of platformers, fighters and jrpgs a PC won't feed that hunger. There is some games on PC but the superior ones are on consoles. Don't make my start about the claim that PC games is a lot more realistic then console games, the truth is, pc games has come a long way in realistic games but as long as you uses K/M you won't play it realistic.

Vandalvideo

So true. I'm pretty sure well over 90% of PC gamers have consoles, from my experience on these forums.

PC Gaming is very over-rated indeed.

I mean sure upgrading only costs $500 but to start your own gaming PC you're looking at $4,000 (this doesn't include the gaming mouse).

There's also the fact that you need to install games.

I don't know about you buy I don't want to sit and wait for my game to be installed for 45 minutes.

Not to mention how games crash more so then often.

I just stick to console gaming it's much safer plus it gets more high profile games.

PC Gaming is very over-rated indeed.

I mean sure upgrading only costs $500 but to start your own gaming PC you're looking at $4,000 (this doesn't include the gaming mouse).

There's also the fact that you need to install games.

I don't know about you buy I don't want to sit and wait for my game to be installed for 45 minutes.

Not to mention how games crash more so then often.

I just stick to console gaming it's much safer plus it gets more high profile games.

Gunraidan

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]LMAO at all the PC Supremists, touting the superiority of the PC's gaming capabilities as FACT! Please, spare me the BS. Just because the PC has more AAA/Higher rated games, doesn't mean squat. You derive this so called FACT from a reviewer's OPINION, therefore it is not FACT, but an OPINION that PC gaming is superior. Get over yourself, and stop acting like a bunch of elitists. Damn, if the system works for you, fine, but don't give me this BS AAA and crap I care nothing about, especially concerning the regard of reviews as if they're fact, which in FACT, they're not. They're just another person's opinions, and it means not a damn thing in the grand scheme of things pertaining to other people who aren't interested.Meu2k7

The pc is the best gaming platform it has the best hardware and games = fact. If the facts make you upset then go buy a gaming pc and stop crying. Your like a civic owner claiming that the bmw 335i is a waste of money and the reviewers at car and driver know nothing lmao.

Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.

While I may not agree with some scores more often than not the reviewers get it right.

No, it's sad that you don't get it. Popular opinion doesn't equate to fact. What equates to fact is the actual superiority of a game, which cannot be discerned because there are differing tastes and preferences, therefore it's impossible to ascertain the superiority of a platform without having any discrepancies pertaining to preference. You can give me the statistics all you want, but it's not fact until it's fact.

Then why are you even on this forum? We go by the paper-based facts, the ammount of games and their ratings, the feature sets ect ect.

Id you want to hug your opinion, take it to bed, marry it , knock it up then go alsewhere or we just waste time responding to you on this subject, so you have an emotional attachment to your obviosuly biased towards consoles (All of them really?) then go blog it.

If we all were allowed our 100% opinions without room for logic & Paperbased arguements I would go to a freaking kids playgorund and discuss how a boxing midget could beat up superman.

I'm on this forum because I can, that's why.

Biased towards consoles? I may prefer them, but I'm only arguing against the PC guys because you tout your games as seemingly superior when you bring the numbers in, but you don't really prove they're better in anyway shape or form, only point me to the obvious compiled opinions. Just because I'm arguing against PC guys in this thread doesn't mean I don't argue against console guys in another, because I do. You can like your platform, toot your own horn if you have to, but when it comes to proclaiming compiled opinions and biases as fact, especially when it comes to saying if a platofrm is superior because of better games, that's where the contradiction lies. I can just as easily say you're biased to the PC.

Me? I go for the philosophical approach when it comes to logic, meaning where there is logic, there is always a flaw.

PC Gaming is very over-rated indeed.

I mean sure upgrading only costs $500 but to start your own gaming PC you're looking at $4,000 (this doesn't include the gaming mouse).

There's also the fact that you need to install games.

I don't know about you buy I don't want to sit and wait for my game to be installed for 45 minutes.

Not to mention how games crash more so then often.

I just stick to console gaming it's much safer plus it gets more high profile games.

Gunraidan

sarcasm? please be sarcasm? Sure seems like sarcasm...

PC Gaming is very over-rated indeed.

I mean sure upgrading only costs $500 but to start your own gaming PC you're looking at $4,000 (this doesn't include the gaming mouse).

There's also the fact that you need to install games.

I don't know about you buy I don't want to sit and wait for my game to be installed for 45 minutes.

Not to mention how games crash more so then often.

I just stick to console gaming it's much safer plus it gets more high profile games.

Gunraidan

Doesnt include gaming mouse!? BY GOD those things are in the THOUSANDS!!!111one ... how can anyone afford to PC game by god

PC GAMING IS TEH DEAD.

PC Gaming is very over-rated indeed.

I mean sure upgrading only costs $500 but to start your own gaming PC you're looking at $4,000 (this doesn't include the gaming mouse).

There's also the fact that you need to install games.

I don't know about you buy I don't want to sit and wait for my game to be installed for 45 minutes.

Not to mention how games crash more so then often.

I just stick to console gaming it's much safer plus it gets more high profile games.

Gunraidan

yeah stick with your console... you should stop going outside also, car are dangerous... you can have an accident you know... lightning also is a danger!

btw, you reach wok7 level of knownledge with pc , good job!! Achievment unlocked!

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]

PC Gaming is very over-rated indeed.

I mean sure upgrading only costs $500 but to start your own gaming PC you're looking at $4,000 (this doesn't include the gaming mouse).

There's also the fact that you need to install games.

I don't know about you buy I don't want to sit and wait for my game to be installed for 45 minutes.

Not to mention how games crash more so then often.

I just stick to console gaming it's much safer plus it gets more high profile games.

Vandalvideo

DON'T ATTACK, HE'S ONE OF US. Gunraidan don't you ever pull a stunt like that again. Are you trying to get friendly flamed.

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]

PC Gaming is very over-rated indeed.

I mean sure upgrading only costs $500 but to start your own gaming PC you're looking at $4,000 (this doesn't include the gaming mouse).

There's also the fact that you need to install games.

I don't know about you buy I don't want to sit and wait for my game to be installed for 45 minutes.

Not to mention how games crash more so then often.

I just stick to console gaming it's much safer plus it gets more high profile games.

Franko_3

yeah stick with your console... you should stop going outside also, car are dangerous... you can have an accident you know... lightning also is a danger!

btw, you reach wok7 level of knownledge with pc , good job!! Achievment unlocked!

Relax, hes just fakeboying, hes a Pc gamer aswell I think. :P

I honestly don't think it's overrated, but I do think that Hermits need to stop touting the PC's so called "superiority." There's absolutely no doubt that the PC excels in FPS's and RTS's compared to consoles but that doesn't make it a better system. There are many games that excel on consoles compared to PC's as well. What I do find irritating is when Hermits think that the only system worth owning is a PC and nothing else. Of course, I find all fanboys to be irritating anyway. :Pglitchgeeman

Underrated, because people dont want spend too much $$$ and upgrades, that's why the popularity of PC gaming is falling.

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.horrowhip

Why bother? It isn't like you would accept it even if we did prove it.... You can have your opinion. However, here the fact is the PC has more AAA/AA games. That counts for something. Sure they may be opinions too but the fact that the quantity of them is significantly larger at least means something.

Yes, it means something, but does it mean fact? This "fact" is compiled from "opinions," therefore their purpose is null and void. I can just come out and say on Gamerankings, consoles have 9 of the top 10 best games, just because of the ratings, but it's not worth it, even though the "fact" is there are, but again, they're just compiled from "opinions", so it really makes no difference. I'm merely arguing against the "compiled opinions = fact" contradiction, nothing more.

I understand what you have to say but the PC does have a better library of games. I don't really think that is debatable. As for the "top 10 games" on Gamerankings, if you were to look at those games side by side with other classic PC games, most of them are either no better or even worse. However, PC reviewers have a habit of giving games scores that they deserve or lower, but rarely higher. Console magazines on the other hand give away perfect scores like candy and act like any decent game deserves a 10.... I will admit that games like SMG, OoT, and Chrono Cross are among my all-time favorites. They do deserve their scores. Fallout, Fallout 2, Diablo 2, HL2 and quite a few others deserve much higher scores on Gamerankings.

I'm not going to argue anymore on the "better library of games" front anymore, because it just seems to fall on deaf ears. Nevertheless, I've been a console gamer all my life, I only played three PC games and they were; Diablo II, War of the Ring (crappy as hell, don't play it) and Quake III. Most of those are old, and I may not have enjoyed Diablo as much as most have, but I understand where it ranks among PC gamers, and I'm not going to argue against that. I'm only arguing against the "compiled opinions = fact" debacle and that's it. I'm not arguing against the quality of PC games, just the aforementioned statement.

Relax, hes just fakeboying, hes a Pc gamer aswell I think. :P

My fakeboy detector got a rrod last week!

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I don't think that PC gaming is overrated but I do think that hermits are putting down console games as trash all the time.

Not a single hermit will admit that consoles can have a good strategy, fps or MMo. Every game on consoles somehow has a superior counterpart on PC? If a Lemming would start a thread and claim that Halo is a good game there will be a hermit claiming the game is mediocre on PC-standard. This irritates me very much. Another thing that irritates me is that consoles are often blamed as the reason to downgrade games when there are a lot of PC only gamesseries that's suffered the same fate.

I do think that PC is a superior gaming platfom if you can afford and put the time on it but to claim that PC is superior to consoles in every way is a flat out lie. If your a fan of platformers, fighters and jrpgs a PC won't feed that hunger. There is some games on PC but the superior ones are on consoles. Don't make my start about the claim that PC games is a lot more realistic then console games, the truth is, pc games has come a long way in realistic games but as long as you uses K/M you won't play it realistic.

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I don't say that evey PC gamer act this way but there is a lot that does. My so called attacking on hermits was that a lot of hermits think that if you own a gaming pc you don't need a console in any way.

Do you really think that a lot of those games wouldn't have been casualizesd if they had stayed PC only?

There is a lot of PC only franchises that's been casualized in recent years and lets not forget that when a game franchise gets too popular the developer want to make more money on it, this often result in casualization and possibly a port to a console, to reach a larger audience. This however don't mean that hardcore gaming is dying. Who cares if Oblivion is casualized if you get games like The Witcher or if Command and conquer 3 is a better looking version of the last game when you have World in Conflict? A lot of known franchises is casualized but new great games is always coming out.

It's weird that lemming are saying that hermit are elitist. There is a thread on first page that claim x360 is the best system, while the pc is completly absent. I've yet to see a thread saying the pc win, even if there is more people playing pc game worldwide at any time.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26198400

Franko_3

It's one of the basic double standards of this forum. A PC gamer creates a pro-PC thread, he's called elitist and arrogant. A console gamer creates a pro-360 thread, he's just supporting his system.

I don't say that evey PC gamer act this way but there is a lot that does. My so called attacking on hermits was that a lot of hermits think that if you own a gaming pc you don't need a console in any way. Do you really think that a lot of those games wouldn't have been casualizesd if they had stayed PC only?There is a lot of PC only franchises that's been casualized in recent years and lets not forget that when a game franchise gets too popular the developer want to make more money on it, this often result in casualization and possibly a port to a console, to reach a larger audience. This however don't mean that hardcore gaming is dying. Who cares if Oblivion is casualized if you get games like The Witcher or if Command and conquer 3 is a better looking version of the last game when you have World in Conflict? A lot of known franchises is casualized but new great games is always coming out. JLF1

I'm not going to argue anymore on the "better library of games" front anymore, because it just seems to fall on deaf ears. Nevertheless, I've been a console gamer all my life, I only played three PC games and they were; Diablo II, War of the Ring (crappy as hell, don't play it) and Quake III. Most of those are old, and I may not have enjoyed Diablo as much as most have, but I understand where it ranks among PC gamers, and I'm not going to argue against that. I'm only arguing against the "compiled opinions = fact" debacle and that's it. I'm not arguing against the quality of PC games, just the aforementioned statement.Cerberus_Legion

That is fine. But that is how SW works. Many disagree with it but you see how disfunctional this place is now... Imagine it without any concrete way of measuring games.... Everyone has different opinions, and that includes the reviewer, but if the reviewer doesn't like a game, that is accepted(sort of... many times there is a backlash). And when a game scores highly that is accepted as meaning the game is of high quality. So, more AAA/AA games in SW means that the system has better games. Agree or disagree, that is how it works and arguing against it is pointless because that is just how it is.

And, I am fine that you prefer console games but there are some games you really should give a try from the PC. Fallout 1 and 2 for sure. Also, try the Baldur's Gate games. HL and HL2 are also games to play.

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PC gaming is heavily underated. The mere fact that console games get so much praise but your non name under the radar PC game constantly hits AA is proof of this. PC is definately the most underappreciated gaming platform out there.

Its pretty much fact that PC is underrated while consoles are overrated. Why?

Because the platform with the most AAE/AAAE games isn't viewed by the majority as the best. Consoles are overrated because come on people how many times do I have to hear 3 > 1?

THE FACT THAT PEOPLE RESORT TO SAYING CONSOLE GAMING > PC GAMING PROVES PC GAMING IS UNDERATED WHILE CONSOLE GAMING IS OVERATED.

Serioulsy if you have to add three platforms up to make an arguement against one then the rest should just come as common sense in the matter.

the-very-best

It's just a term. I don't really need 3 to beat the 1. I mean, I like the PS2 more... I like the PS1 more...

And right now, 360 is more fun that PC. Wii is more than PC. PS3 is more fun than PC.

But that's just me, I know many would disagree and need all 3 to beat the 1 system.

This is why people use scores instead of opinions. I can freaking say N-Gage owns any gaming platform that is presently being supported.

The PC has more critically acclaimed games which is fact. Whether you like them or not is up to you. But the fact of the matter is the games are out there. If you don't like them then that's you. I don't MGS and GTA but does that mean they aren't amazing games? Nope, they are still two of the best games and franchises out.

Regardless if you don't use the arguement or not the 3 vs 1 arguement is popular HERE ON SW. You're topic reads is PC gaming gaming overrated in SYSTEM WARS. The fact that there are so many threads with the 3 vs 1 mindset or the console gaming > PC gaming phrase proves your thread wrong. Simply put with the above evidence and the fact that PC has the most AA/AAA games proves that it is an underated platform. And anything rated ahead of it while being inferior on paper is hence fact overated.

The fact that you say every console is more fun then PC begs me to ask the question. That day when you said this gen hasn't had one ground breaking title yet and that GTAIV will potentially be the FIRST. Is when I knew you didn't have a clue about PC gaming.

Quite frankly I feel your opinion is full of bias. You do have your PS3 now though right? Please tell me you are not Swiftbossing it.

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.horrowhip

Why bother? It isn't like you would accept it even if we did prove it.... You can have your opinion. However, here the fact is the PC has more AAA/AA games. That counts for something. Sure they may be opinions too but the fact that the quantity of them is significantly larger at least means something.

Uh...PC gaming of course has more AAA, because it started decades before consoles, but by periodically alone, console's AAA/AA>>>PC's AAA/AA. Heck, just in 2007 X360 alone beats PC's AAA.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.peacenutman

Why bother? It isn't like you would accept it even if we did prove it.... You can have your opinion. However, here the fact is the PC has more AAA/AA games. That counts for something. Sure they may be opinions too but the fact that the quantity of them is significantly larger at least means something.

Uh...PC gaming of course has more AAA, because it started decades before consoles, but by periodically alone, console's AAA/AA>>>PC's AAA/AA. Heck, just in 2007 X360 alone beats PC's AAA.

It mine NO ONE TAKE IT.

4K? Please tell me you're joking? Vandalvideo

*Sigh* Vandal again with your false logic. :lol:

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[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]I'm not going to argue anymore on the "better library of games" front anymore, because it just seems to fall on deaf ears. Nevertheless, I've been a console gamer all my life, I only played three PC games and they were; Diablo II, War of the Ring (crappy as hell, don't play it) and Quake III. Most of those are old, and I may not have enjoyed Diablo as much as most have, but I understand where it ranks among PC gamers, and I'm not going to argue against that. I'm only arguing against the "compiled opinions = fact" debacle and that's it. I'm not arguing against the quality of PC games, just the aforementioned statement.horrowhip

That is fine. But that is how SW works. Many disagree with it but you see how disfunctional this place is now... Imagine it without any concrete way of measuring games.... Everyone has different opinions, and that includes the reviewer, but if the reviewer doesn't like a game, that is accepted(sort of... many times there is a backlash). And when a game scores highly that is accepted as meaning the game is of high quality. So, more AAA/AA games in SW means that the system has better games. Agree or disagree, that is how it works and arguing against it is pointless because that is just how it is.

And, I am fine that you prefer console games but there are some games you really should give a try from the PC. Fallout 1 and 2 for sure. Also, try the Baldur's Gate games. HL and HL2 are also games to play.

I guess there must be some way to prove a point on SW, but that doesn't mean it's fact. :D Just pointing that out. I'm planning on upgrading my computer anyway, I'm going to buy that 299$ GFX card that Game Informer recommended that fits into my budget but allows me to play games like Crysis and The Witcher. I can probably play some old PC games that don't require too much as well, like the franchises you mentioned.

1. There's also the fact that you need to install games.
2. Not to mention how games crash more so then often.
3. I just stick to console gaming it's much safer plus it gets more high profile games.

Gunraidan

1. Mandatory like DMC4 on PS3?
2. Crashing like 360 and RROD?
3. Safer like 360 disc scratching and RROD? More high profile games? Please realize how many AA/AAA/AAE/AAAE games PC has.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] 4K? Please tell me you're joking? Gunraidan

*Sigh* Vandal again with your false logic. :lol:

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Don't forget to buy 4 30in monitors, you know PC gaming is incomplete without them.