Do you think PC gaming is overrated in System Wars?

I honestly don't think it's overrated, but I do think that Hermits need to stop touting the PC's so called "superiority." There's absolutely no doubt that the PC excels in FPS's and RTS's compared to consoles but that doesn't make it a better system. There are many games that excel on consoles compared to PC's as well. What I do find irritating is when Hermits think that the only system worth owning is a PC and nothing else. Of course, I find all fanboys to be irritating anyway. :Pglitchgeeman

yep...you hit the nail on the head. i am not a fanboy in any way, shape, or form, but i am a bit anti-hermit. not anti-PC Gamer, mind you, but anti-hermit. i think the PC is absolutely integral to gaming, and invariably it can pull off the best graphics, a.i., and physics. that's just the nature of PC. it is ever upgradeable.

now, the counterpoints:

1. Mods make all the difference - absolutely, mods add significant legs to a games. heck, people are still playing CSS. but i think that's a cultural difference between console and PC gamers (i know, i'm excluding people who play both; this is just for an example). i think PC gamers tend to play a single game much longer than a console gamer. most consolites beat a game, maybe play through one more time, and that's that. a bit of multiplayer, but by no means the length of time a PC gamer will play a title.

2. Mouse and Keyboard controls are better - completely a matter of opinion. certainly, those controls are apt to be more accurate. however, i simply prefer the feel of a controller to that of KB/M

3. No matter what, consoles get the inferior version - nay, a slight graphics improvement (no, i'm not even touching Crysis; i'm referring more to the differences in say, Bioshock) does not make a games leaps and bounds better than its console counterpart).

4. You can have a living room style gaming setup on your PC - absolutely true. or, with about 99% less work, i can plug my console into my HDTV, pop in a disc, and play. ease of use is probably the single biggest draw of consoles for me.

please realize that i am by no means ragging on PC games or PC gamers. this post is just my opinion. i certainly don't think PC gaming is overrated. i do however, take offense with Hermits telling me that i am mentally inferior because i happen to prefer consoles over PCs (yes, it has happened to me on SW on more than one occasion).

idiots using scores for this. maybe some people dont agree with certain scores. i don't agree with the orange box's score but im not bashing that. i don't know how many times i have to say this ITS ALL A MATTER OF PREFERENCE.

SOME PEOPLE PREFER PC GAMES, SOME PEOPLE LIKE ME PREFER CONSOLE GAMES. ITS PREFERENCE! for example i would rather have uncharted than crysis. i would rather have tekken over soul calibur. there are people who don't share my opinion and i respect that. But stupid hermits can't seem to comprehend this.

idiots using scores for this. maybe some people dont agree with certain scores. i don't agree with the orange box's score but im not bashing that. i don't know how many times i have to say this ITS ALL A MATTER OF PREFERENCE.

SOME PEOPLE PREFER PC GAMES, SOME PEOPLE LIKE ME PREFER CONSOLE GAMES. ITS PREFERENCE! for example i would rather have uncharted than crysis. i would rather have tekken over soul calibur. there are people who don't share my opinion and i respect that. But stupid hermits can't seem to comprehend this.

Arjdagr8

But stupid hermits can't seem to comprehend this.

Arjdagr8

Was that really necessary?

[QUOTE="thew13"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="thew13"]your conclusion may be correct - your steps to get there aren't Case closedVandalvideo

Not always - as I said go ask Atari about the early 80's

Holy *&%$

Oversaturatiom = more games.

People stopped buying the games because the quality(standards) of the games went down.

So in the 80's, more games = lower standards - you cannot refute this, stop trying.

4. You can have a living room style gaming setup on your PC - absolutely true. or, with about 99% less work, i can plug my console into my HDTV, pop in a disc, and play. ease of use is probably the single biggest draw of consoles for me.clone01

Holy *&%$ Oversaturatiom = more games. People stopped buying the games because the quality(standards) of the games went down.So in the 80's, more games = lower standards - you cannot refute this, stop trying. thew13

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

idiots using scores for this. maybe some people dont agree with certain scores. i don't agree with the orange box's score but im not bashing that. i don't know how many times i have to say this ITS ALL A MATTER OF PREFERENCE.

SOME PEOPLE PREFER PC GAMES, SOME PEOPLE LIKE ME PREFER CONSOLE GAMES. ITS PREFERENCE! for example i would rather have uncharted than crysis. i would rather have tekken over soul calibur. there are people who don't share my opinion and i respect that. But stupid hermits can't seem to comprehend this.

Vandalvideo

but you can't respect other's opinions. i geddit makes sense....

keep twisting vandal, keep twistingthew13

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

idiots using scores for this. maybe some people dont agree with certain scores. i don't agree with the orange box's score but im not bashing that. i don't know how many times i have to say this ITS ALL A MATTER OF PREFERENCE.

SOME PEOPLE PREFER PC GAMES, SOME PEOPLE LIKE ME PREFER CONSOLE GAMES. ITS PREFERENCE! for example i would rather have uncharted than crysis. i would rather have tekken over soul calibur. there are people who don't share my opinion and i respect that. But stupid hermits can't seem to comprehend this.

Arjdagr8

but you can't respect other's opinions. i geddit makes sense....

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

idiots using scores for this. maybe some people dont agree with certain scores. i don't agree with the orange box's score but im not bashing that. i don't know how many times i have to say this ITS ALL A MATTER OF PREFERENCE.

SOME PEOPLE PREFER PC GAMES, SOME PEOPLE LIKE ME PREFER CONSOLE GAMES. ITS PREFERENCE! for example i would rather have uncharted than crysis. i would rather have tekken over soul calibur. there are people who don't share my opinion and i respect that. But stupid hermits can't seem to comprehend this.

Vandalvideo

but you can't respect other's opinions. i geddit makes sense....

so whats your point then?

so whats your point then?Arjdagr8

[QUOTE="clone01"]4. You can have a living room style gaming setup on your PC - absolutely true. or, with about 99% less work, i can plug my console into my HDTV, pop in a disc, and play. ease of use is probably the single biggest draw of consoles for me.Vandalvideo

wow, thanks for the needless attack. i don't want to run an extra wire, and my 360 works just great, thanks. but really, thanks for twisting my peaceful thread contribution into an act of anti-PC aggression.

[QUOTE="glitchgeeman"]I honestly don't think it's overrated, but I do think that Hermits need to stop touting the PC's so called "superiority." There's absolutely no doubt that the PC excels in FPS's and RTS's compared to consoles but that doesn't make it a better system. There are many games that excel on consoles compared to PC's as well. What I do find irritating is when Hermits think that the only system worth owning is a PC and nothing else. Of course, I find all fanboys to be irritating anyway. :Pclone01

yep...you hit the nail on the head. i am not a fanboy in any way, shape, or form, but i am a bit anti-hermit. not anti-PC Gamer, mind you, but anti-hermit. i think the PC is absolutely integral to gaming, and invariably it can pull off the best graphics, a.i., and physics. that's just the nature of PC. it is ever upgradeable.

now, the counterpoints:

1. Mods make all the difference - absolutely, mods add significant legs to a games. heck, people are still playing CSS. but i think that's a cultural difference between console and PC gamers (i know, i'm excluding people who play both; this is just for an example). i think PC gamers tend to play a single game much longer than a console gamer. most consolites beat a game, maybe play through one more time, and that's that. a bit of multiplayer, but by no means the length of time a PC gamer will play a title.

2. Mouse and Keyboard controls are better - completely a matter of opinion. certainly, those controls are apt to be more accurate. however, i simply prefer the feel of a controller to that of KB/M

3. No matter what, consoles get the inferior version - nay, a slight graphics improvement (no, i'm not even touching Crysis; i'm referring more to the differences in say, Bioshock) does not make a games leaps and bounds better than its console counterpart).

4. You can have a living room style gaming setup on your PC - absolutely true. or, with about 99% less work, i can plug my console into my HDTV, pop in a disc, and play. ease of use is probably the single biggest draw of consoles for me.

please realize that i am by no means ragging on PC games or PC gamers. this post is just my opinion. i certainly don't think PC gaming is overrated. i do however, take offense with Hermits telling me that i am mentally inferior because i happen to prefer consoles over PCs (yes, it has happened to me on SW on more than one occasion).

i am a die hard hermit and really liked this post. Pretty accurate and i agree. Good job.

Look I own the 360 and wii and I enjoy them very much, but the fact is no console game comes close to titles like Football manager (360 version is pretty terrible), MTWII or Civ. Now certain genres might be better or more appealing on consoles(I personally prefer sports games and shooters (yes yes i know) on the console becuase its easy to play with friends) but no console game comes close to matching those in terms of gameplay or depth.

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]so whats your point then?Vandalvideo

my point is you can't say pc gaming is the best. this is opinion. just as much as people say console gaming is the best. you like pc gaming the best, that's great (more gamers in the world = instant win), i just prefer console games. i do play regularly on pc though, tiberium wars and css :D

[QUOTE="thew13"]keep twisting vandal, keep twistingVandalvideo

I'm done - you have contradicted yourself 5 times in thsi thread alone and you do it all the time. if you don't see it well OK, but it's a fact.

You said more games = better standards = better games.

I showed a time when that was the exact opposite, but then you change your argument.

Enjoy being a wall, I'm done talking to it. Lunch time

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="thew13"]keep twisting vandal, keep twistingthew13

I'm done - you have contradicted yourself 5 times in thsi thread alone and you do it all the time. if you don't see it well OK, but it's a fact.

You said more games = better standards = better games.

I showed a time when that was the exact opposite, but then you change your argument.

Enjoy being a wall, I'm done talking to it. Lunch time

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]so whats your point then?Arjdagr8

my point is you can't say pc gaming is the best. this is opinion. just as much as people say console gaming is the best. you like pc gaming the best, that's great (more gamers in the world = instant win), i just prefer console games. i do play regularly on pc though, tiberium wars and css :D

Yeah, my brother is like that. Comes here and plays lan alot with me, i go round his and play 360 with him. He prefers 360 and i prefer pc. People like different things.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]4. You can have a living room style gaming setup on your PC - absolutely true. or, with about 99% less work, i can plug my console into my HDTV, pop in a disc, and play. ease of use is probably the single biggest draw of consoles for me.clone01

wow, thanks for the needless attack. i don't want to run an extra wire, and my 360 works just great, thanks. but really, thanks for twisting my peaceful thread contribution into an act of anti-PC aggression.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]so whats your point then?Arjdagr8

my point is you can't say pc gaming is the best. this is opinion. just as much as people say console gaming is the best. you like pc gaming the best, that's great (more gamers in the world = instant win), i just prefer console games. i do play regularly on pc though, tiberium wars and css :D

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="thew13"]keep twisting vandal, keep twistingthew13

I'm done - you have contradicted yourself 5 times in thsi thread alone and you do it all the time. if you don't see it well OK, but it's a fact.

You said more games = better standards = better games.

I showed a time when that was the exact opposite, but then you change your argument.

Enjoy being a wall, I'm done talking to it. Lunch time

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]so whats your point then?Vandalvideo

my point is you can't say pc gaming is the best. this is opinion. just as much as people say console gaming is the best. you like pc gaming the best, that's great (more gamers in the world = instant win), i just prefer console games. i do play regularly on pc though, tiberium wars and css :D

just for you ill alter my post

my point is you can't say pc gaming is superior. this is opinion. just as much as people say console gaming is superior. you like pc gaming the best, that's great (more gamers in the world = instant win), i just prefer console games. i do play regularly on pc though, tiberium wars and css :D

Most people here talk about "preference" and "opinions". I personally think that is a load of crap, people often claim that the PS3 offers a better library than the 360 and immediatly fall back to "it's my opinion" when anyone tries to say differently. It's starting to get very old and it's really destroying system wars.

Most people here talk about "preference" and "opinions". I personally think that is a load of crap, people often claim that the PS3 offers a better library than the 360 and immediatly fall back to "it's my opinion" when anyone tries to say differently. It's starting to get very old and it's really destroying system wars.

_Pedro_

you reason for opinions being crap is because its old? yeah great argument there...

i can't say whether 360's library is better than ps3s or vice versa. i definitely prefer ps3s library. how can i say for definite

Most people here talk about "preference" and "opinions". I personally think that is a load of crap, people often claim that the PS3 offers a better library than the 360 and immediatly fall back to "it's my opinion" when anyone tries to say differently. It's starting to get very old and it's really destroying system wars.

_Pedro_

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

Most people here talk about "preference" and "opinions". I personally think that is a load of crap, people often claim that the PS3 offers a better library than the 360 and immediatly fall back to "it's my opinion" when anyone tries to say differently. It's starting to get very old and it's really destroying system wars.

Arjdagr8

you reason for opinions being crap is because its old? yeah great argument there...

wow completely ignore the core of my post, good job there.

Nope. If anything, I'd say it's underated.jeffwulf

yea id have to agree.

its very rare to see a thread toting PCs and PC games compared to the consoles. i think alot of people also have misconceptions about the PC like needing to upgrade every 6 months and only being superior at a couple of genres (the latter though is opinion based i suppose).

imho the PC only has 2 weaknesses compared to consoles (though they are fairly serious weaknesses it has to be said)

1) PCs are more expensive. at the mo to build a PC thats comparable to a console in terms of performance costs more. this will change over the next 12 months or so but at the mo its more expensive. u can save some money by building ureself but (kinda point 2 related) that requires knowledge about PC building and it requires time and patience. of course to go very high end also costs an absolute fortune compared to a console.

2) PCs need maintanence and, again, knowledge about PCs and OSs. its not a huge amount but there is a sharper learning curve. between drivers, patches and game installs (among other things), A PC does need more attention in this regard. things have improved considerably in terms of stability and compatibility since XP mind so thats not really a huge issue any more. my PS3 has crashed more times than my PC in the last week (i swear theres a problem with the folding client on the PS3).

but the PC has alot of strengths.

its extremely flexible. u can have it hooked up to ure monitor in a spare room or ure HD telly in the main room. u can use pretty much any console controller (theres even a mod for playing HL2 using the wiimote). with a bit of tinkering, u can also change the PC to suit ure needs more. think its too noisey? get sound proofing into the case or get better fans (point 2 kicks here though on the negative side of course). with a console ure basically stuck. think the 360 is too noisey? tough. want a 400GB HDD on the 360, tough. want to use a different service than xbox live.....not a chance. want better streaming software than the one available on the PS3....not going to happen. dont want blu-ray in ure PS3? well ure getting it so suck it up.

PCs are also more powerful and they constantly evolve. a high end PC now will pummel any console into the ground in terms of performance....theres no ifs or buts here. consoles are more effiecnt with what they have got but the PC more than compensats with sheer brute force. thats today. by the end of the year, the 360 and PS3 will be so out of date, it wont be funny. by the end of 09, they will look decrepid in comparison. for people who love to stay on the cutting edge, the PC is the best choice. ppl now are all HD this and HD that, but the PC has been running games in HD sice donkey years. ppl are also toting online play as a revolution. again the PC has been doing it for ages...long before any console. one arguemnt against PCs is that its constantly changing. but thats also a positive. it means that the graphics, sound and all that jazz will constantly improve. nothing stays still. of course u dont have to keep pace with it. a good PC with good hardware at the time of purchase will serve its owener well for years, upgrades or not. games will continue to support older hardware for years and years to come so theres no need to get the latest and greatest when its released. u can upgrade, when u want, at a price ure happy with. whats more, if a game is having a prob on ure PC, when u upgrade it, said game will run alot better. on a console, if theres a performance problem then there will always be a performance problem (i wish i could add extra ram to my 360 to improve mass effects performance).

then theres the games. it has some great exclusives and has devs who continue to push the boundaries. alot of the top console devs started out on PC. bioware, bungie (well they were MAC focused before MS get them), epic, id and so on. although this is more opinion, alot of multiplats are also better on the PC. games like COD4 look better and play nicer with a mouse and keyboard. mass effect could also have benefited greatly from the extra umph a PC grants. gears is another exmple, looks and plays better as does bioshock and oblivion.

so yeah, its a crackin games platform imho. it does need more attention though and it does cost more, especially if u want to stay on the cutting edge. but PCs give that choice and they are what u make of them. with a console ure stuck until the next one arrives. dont like something about ure console? well live with it. dont like something about ure PC? well change it whenever u want to. imho it is the most flexible and powerful for games (hardware willing) and it does offer a superior experience. if u want a more living room/couch/controller experience though then it can also do that, thats the PC for ya.

thats not to say that consoles are a complete waste of space though. they are easier to use and hassle free. games are guranteed to work and the machine is easier to use. u dont need to worry about viruses or security or whether ure console needs a defrag or scan disc or not. consoles also get some crackin exclusives that will never show up on PC (games from team ico or nintendo for example....not coming to PC at all). every platform has its worth.

but, personally speaking, if i could only choose 1 platform then it would be the PC. if ure willing to put the effort in with maintanence n stuff and ure willing to make mistakes and learn then the PC will return the effort in kind.

I think discussions based on loose opinions without motivation are overrated...

"PC is better"

"NO console is better"

No PC is better"

No I like console more"

Why even bother arguing if you dont even try too add any logics?

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="clone01"]4. You can have a living room style gaming setup on your PC - absolutely true. or, with about 99% less work, i can plug my console into my HDTV, pop in a disc, and play. ease of use is probably the single biggest draw of consoles for me.Vandalvideo

wow, thanks for the needless attack. i don't want to run an extra wire, and my 360 works just great, thanks. but really, thanks for twisting my peaceful thread contribution into an act of anti-PC aggression.

i rest my case. Hermit.

my point is you can't say pc gaming is superior. this is opinion. just as much as people say console gaming is superior. you like pc gaming the best, that's great (more gamers in the world = instant win), i just prefer console games. i do play regularly on pc though, tiberium wars and css :D Arjdagr8

[QUOTE="Arjdagr8"]my point is you can't say pc gaming is superior. this is opinion. just as much as people say console gaming is superior. you like pc gaming the best, that's great (more gamers in the world = instant win), i just prefer console games. i do play regularly on pc though, tiberium wars and css :D Vandalvideo

huh? what the hell? ah i cant be bothered anymore. as long as i enjoy myself playing games i dont mind what others think.

[QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="thew13"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]How do you view the top 10 on gamerankings again?Meu2k7

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

Its nice knowing I can play EVERY SINGLE 1 of those games on my PC with a 360 controller it really is. again yes I WENT THERE. :D

My bad, except Mario Galaxy, maybe in a year or 2 :lol: . I have ti for my Wii anyway :D

great, but that has nothing to do with this topic

by the way could you play all those games when they were originally released on your PC with a 360 controller?

Nope, but its always nice to have them all in one place :P, and having Lan 4 players games with the guys in college on the MACs, great fun. 4 screens > 4 split screen :)

Co-op > Lanning, anytime and anywhere

Co-op > Lanning, anytime and anywhere

Ballroompirate

You've clearly never been to a real LAN party. Co-op and splitscreen gaming is so bleck - especially if you like to be stealthy or a sniper - because people can't *help* but screen look when you're sharing the same damn screen. We used to do 16-player LAN games with Halo on Xbox, and that's nothing compared to LAN games of Counterstrike on PC.

So much better than splitscreen co-op, anytime, anyday, there's simply no debating it. Having the option of *more* and having your own screen? Win.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]LMAO at all the PC Supremists, touting the superiority of the PC's gaming capabilities as FACT! Please, spare me the BS. Just because the PC has more AAA/Higher rated games, doesn't mean squat. You derive this so called FACT from a reviewer's OPINION, therefore it is not FACT, but an OPINION that PC gaming is superior. Get over yourself, and stop acting like a bunch of elitists. Damn, if the system works for you, fine, but don't give me this BS AAA and crap I care nothing about, especially concerning the regard of reviews as if they're fact, which in FACT, they're not. They're just another person's opinions, and it means not a damn thing in the grand scheme of things pertaining to other people who aren't interested.Cerberus_Legion

The pc is the best gaming platform it has the best hardware and games = fact. If the facts make you upset then go buy a gaming pc and stop crying. Your like a civic owner claiming that the bmw 335i is a waste of money and the reviewers at car and driver know nothing lmao.

Give me a break; where does it say the games are better? Oh wait, don't tell me, you're just going to reiterate figures and ratings from aggregate review sites, is that it? WHERE IS THE FACT THAT PC GAMES ARE INHERENTLY BETTER? Show me.

While I may not agree with some scores more often than not the reviewers get it right.

No, it's sad that you don't get it. Popular opinion doesn't equate to fact. What equates to fact is the actual superiority of a game, which cannot be discerned because there are differing tastes and preferences, therefore it's impossible to ascertain the superiority of a platform without having any discrepancies pertaining to preference. You can give me the statistics all you want, but it's not fact until it's fact.

So by your logic no game is better than any other because it's based on the taste of the player WTF ??

So if you say superman64 is better than halo3 for example then despite the scores and "taste" of most of the gaming sites that is still not good enough in your universe ie superman 64 sucked then is just a opinion lmao.

i`ve been playing frontlines fuel of war beta online and it`s awesome oh by the way that`s on pc.

pc rulzs