Do you think PC gaming is overrated in System Wars?

The PC is, if anything, underrated. The importance of a flexible-hardware, open-software model to the advancement of gaming, and the possibility of unfettered game creation is too often overlooked. The PC as a platform cannot become overrated, because the value of an open platform for creative development is infinite. Given the high costs of dev kits and licensing on consoles, and the use of PCs in developing console games - there would not be a platform for the creation of assets, nor a platform for young developers, coders, and artists to train on without the PC.

To be quite frank, without the gaming PC, gaming as we know it would cease to exist. Whether it's the top of the commercial pile is irrelevant, it remains the foundation and infrastructure of our videogaming world. The average purebreed consolite might try to argue away the PC as a gaming platform, for the purpose of ego-satisfaction, but ultimately any gaming they partake in is not far removed from PC gaming, to fight this is an act of denial.

ROFL, what the hell are you talking about? If console gaming dies with PC, then how come console sale chart rises while PC gaming falls? You need a reality check.

peacenutman

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos - which even the NPD acknowlege is a huge marketshare, and retail games still sell very well despite people using the 'piracy' argument - not even factoring in digital sales.

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC - but pre owned games are hurting develolpers far more - costing the industry 1 billion dollars annually. Thus digitital distribution is even more attractive - and right now pretty much exclusive - and performing extrodinarily well on the PC platform.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell. Simply PC gaming cannot die. Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

Overrated? ..sure... :P I've never seen a forum with more misconceptions and hate towards PC gaming and gamers, so no, I seriously doubt PC gaming is "overrated" here. I think PC gaming would get more respect in a random xbot fansite.EntwineX

The PC is, if anything, underrated. The importance of a flexible-hardware, open-software model to the advancement of gaming, and the possibility of unfettered game creation is too often overlooked. The PC as a platform cannot become overrated, because the value of an open platform for creative development is infinite. Given the high costs of dev kits and licensing on consoles, and the use of PCs in developing console games - there would not be a platform for the creation of assets, nor a platform for young developers, coders, and artists to train on without the PC.

To be quite frank, without the gaming PC, gaming as we know it would cease to exist. Whether it's the top of the commercial pile is irrelevant, it remains the foundation and infrastructure of our videogaming world. The average purebreed consolite might try to argue away the PC as a gaming platform, for the purpose of ego-satisfaction, but ultimately any gaming they partake in is not far removed from PC gaming, to fight this is an act of denial.

subrosian

You win this thread.

One thing for sure that PC gaming will never have is............splitscreen.

I was just playing bomberman and timesplitters the other day with my friends, and we had a blast, but if I only have a PC, I can't say the same, despite the highest resolution/mods/AAA games.

So yeah, I PREFER console gaming than PC, thank you all for reading.

BTW, I'm really curious, how many hermits here actually play their PC games with HDTV with surround sound system? I mean I saw bunch of console players post tons of their setup, but never from a hermit.

peacenutman

Go in PChardware section and you'll see tons of setups for PCs.

[QUOTE="peacenutman"]

ROFL, what the hell are you talking about? If console gaming dies with PC, then how come console sale chart rises while PC gaming falls? You need a reality check.

skrat_01

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos - which even the NPD acknowlege is a huge marketshare, and retail games still sell very well despite people using the 'piracy' argument - not even factoring in digital sales.

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC - butpre owned games are hurting develolpers far more - costing the industry 1 billion dollars annually. Thus digitital distribution is even moreattractive - and right now pretty much exclusive - and performing extrodinarily well on the PC platform.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell. Simply PC gaming cannot die. Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos

Every MMO has failed in the last four years except WoW, so basically if a MMO isn't WoW = fail, even then one MMO wouldn't save a PC (its like saying Halo 3 is the only game to save the 360).

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC

Console piracy is very minimal compared to PC piracy and while PC, all you need is to DL *cant say the exact thing since I can get modded*.Basically think of it as say the size of PC piracy is the size of a Elephant, while console piracy is the size of a badger.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell

Lol omg sooooo hilarious Wii and the DS have been selling over a million units per month and retailers are having a hard time keeping them in stock and the previous gen with the PS2 selling 120 million shows consoles are here to stay

Simply PC gaming cannot die

It can certainly slow down, which it has.

Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

Thats funny seriously 200 million eh? man thats pretty sad since you never hear PC games selling well even when you add in the DD which I can only see hardcore hermits using since people/the general public still fear ordering stuff over the computer with identity theft,spam ware ect.While good old consoles/hand helds are pretty much safe.

The average purebreed consolite might try to argue away the PC as a gaming platform, for the purpose of ego-satisfaction, subrosian

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="S34L"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="S34L"]

1. If PC gaming dies, console gaming dies with it

2. Cyrsis sold over 1 million

peacenutman

ROFL, what the hell are you talking about? If console gaming dies with PC, then how come console sale chart rises while PC gaming falls? You need a reality check.

Sure :roll:

I totally agree with the TC. I've been gaming on PC for 15 years, but I much prefer consoles.

PC gaming can be a right pain in the butt. You play a game for weeks with bugs and then they release a patch that makes it better. So you start again for the better experience. Soon you're up to patch 1.29 but have totally lost interest in it and this is the version you should have played from day 1.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="peacenutman"]

ROFL, what the hell are you talking about? If console gaming dies with PC, then how come console sale chart rises while PC gaming falls? You need a reality check.

Ballroompirate

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos - which even the NPD acknowlege is a huge marketshare, and retail games still sell very well despite people using the 'piracy' argument - not even factoring in digital sales.

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC - butpre owned games are hurting develolpers far more - costing the industry 1 billion dollars annually. Thus digitital distribution is even moreattractive - and right now pretty much exclusive - and performing extrodinarily well on the PC platform.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell. Simply PC gaming cannot die. Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos

Every MMO has failed in the last four years except WoW, so basically if a MMO isn't WoW = fail, even then one MMO wouldn't save a PC (its like saying Halo 3 is the only game to save the 360).

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC

Console piracy is very minimal compared to PC piracy and while PC, all you need is to DL *cant say the exact thing since I can get modded*.Basically think of it as say the size of PC piracy is the size of a Elephant, while console piracy is the size of a badger.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell

Lol omg sooooo hilarious Wii and the DS have been selling over a million units per month and retailers are having a hard time keeping them in stock and the previous gen with the PS2 selling 120 million shows consoles are here to stay

Simply PC gaming cannot die

It can certainly slow down, which it has.

Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

Thats funny seriously 200 million eh? man thats pretty sad since you never hear PC games selling well even when you add in the DD which I can only see hardcore hermits using since people/the general public still fear ordering stuff over the computer with identity theft,spam ware ect.While good old consoles/hand helds are pretty much safe.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]The average purebreed consolite might try to argue away the PC as a gaming platform, for the purpose of ego-satisfaction, FrozenLiquid

It's not a jab, it's a statement of fact. The inability to concede the technical and library superiority of the PC, its role as the training ground for young developers, and its importance in advancing hardware is simply a matter of ego-driven denial.

To quote Pulp Fiction: "On the night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride ****ing with you. **** pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps. "

The PC is, if anything, underrated. The importance of a flexible-hardware, open-software model to the advancement of gaming, and the possibility of unfettered game creation is too often overlooked. The PC as a platform cannot become overrated, because the value of an open platform for creative development is infinite. Given the high costs of dev kits and licensing on consoles, and the use of PCs in developing console games - there would not be a platform for the creation of assets, nor a platform for young developers, coders, and artists to train on without the PC.

To be quite frank, without the gaming PC, gaming as we know it would cease to exist. Whether it's the top of the commercial pile is irrelevant, it remains the foundation and infrastructure of our videogaming world. The average purebreed consolite might try to argue away the PC as a gaming platform, for the purpose of ego-satisfaction, but ultimately any gaming they partake in is not far removed from PC gaming, to fight this is an act of denial.

subrosian

WTF? You make it sounds like gaming would never exist because of PC, that's a load of BS I heard from a long time, every true gamer knows the very first game is PONG, a console game, NOT a PC game, and back the 70's, gaming was popular THANKS to arcades, not to PC. And last, gaming went dying after Atari, but Nintendo (a console) saved gaming from descrated disgrace, not PC.

So don't shove people with bunchload of BS that gaming would die/cannot exist if PC doesn't exist.

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos

Every MMO has failed in the last four years except WoW, so basically if a MMO isn't WoW = fail, even then one MMO wouldn't save a PC (its like saying Halo 3 is the only game to save the 360).

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC

Console piracy is very minimal compared to PC piracy and while PC, all you need is to DL *cant say the exact thing since I can get modded*.Basically think of it as say the size of PC piracy is the size of a Elephant, while console piracy is the size of a badger.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell

Lol omg sooooo hilarious Wii and the DS have been selling over a million units per month and retailers are having a hard time keeping them in stock and the previous gen with the PS2 selling 120 million shows consoles are here to stay

Simply PC gaming cannot die

It can certainly slow down, which it has.

Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

Thats funny seriously 200 million eh? man thats pretty sad since you never hear PC games selling well even when you add in the DD which I can only see hardcore hermits using since people/the general public still fear ordering stuff over the computer with identity theft,spam ware ect.While good old consoles/hand helds are pretty much safe.

Ballroompirate

2. Console piracy is still rampant. Console gamers are still up the top of torrent sites -360 and Wii - not PS3, and once you get a console mod chip there is no reason to go retail - unlike PC games that require registration and keys to play online.
And you are completely ignoring the much bigger threat of pre owned games which is simply astronomical - again - 1 Billion annually

3. You are comparing console handhelds and hardware to PCs? Well PC hardware sales kills console sales if you want to get into the hardware argument. Go look at Nvidias sales numbers. 60 million performance video cards for Nvidia only. Gee thats not much at all :roll:
As I said if PC gaming dies, console gaming will have also died. Its here to stay like it or not.

4. The NPD says it is increasing. And that is USA only. With the huge increase in useage of the Internet, and bandwith speeds its gotten even biggest in the last decade.

5. 200 million pc gamers. MSs words not mine

PC games do sell well - because you are obviusly increadably biased you dont even bother reading about it. The Witcher, over a million, Crysis over a million - hundreds of small developers like Stardock and Tatetalle games getting fantastic sales.

And with all these 'identity, theft, span ect.' why is Ebay and Amazon such massive success, why do so many people bank online, and why do 10 million people keep renewing the WoW subscriptions.

I think its obvious your biased perspective and limited view is holding you back from even acknowledging the facts.

Lol omg sooooo hilarious Wii and the DS have been selling over a million units per month and retailers are having a hard time keeping them in stock and the previous gen with the PS2 selling 120 million shows consoles are here to stay

Ballroompirate

Yay for Wii and DS.. But do you think you'd be playing CoD4 online on PS3/360 if it weren't for PC gaming?

It can certainly slow down, which it has.

Ballroompirate

Link? From what I've read it's been growing just like gaming as a whole.

Thats funny seriously 200 million eh? man thats pretty sad since you never hear PC games selling well even when you add in the DD which I can only see hardcore hermits using since people/the general public still fear ordering stuff over the computer with identity theft,spam ware ect.While good old consoles/hand helds are pretty much safe.

Ballroompirate

Everyone who plays HL, CS:S etc. has Steam, and that's a lot of people already, it's not really a big step from there to actually buy a game via digital download.

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="peacenutman"]

ROFL, what the hell are you talking about? If console gaming dies with PC, then how come console sale chart rises while PC gaming falls? You need a reality check.

FrozenLiquid

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos - which even the NPD acknowlege is a huge marketshare, and retail games still sell very well despite people using the 'piracy' argument - not even factoring in digital sales.

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC - butpre owned games are hurting develolpers far more - costing the industry 1 billion dollars annually. Thus digitital distribution is even moreattractive - and right now pretty much exclusive - and performing extrodinarily well on the PC platform.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell. Simply PC gaming cannot die. Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos

Every MMO has failed in the last four years except WoW, so basically if a MMO isn't WoW = fail, even then one MMO wouldn't save a PC (its like saying Halo 3 is the only game to save the 360).

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC

Console piracy is very minimal compared to PC piracy and while PC, all you need is to DL *cant say the exact thing since I can get modded*.Basically think of it as say the size of PC piracy is the size of a Elephant, while console piracy is the size of a badger.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell

Lol omg sooooo hilarious Wii and the DS have been selling over a million units per month and retailers are having a hard time keeping them in stock and the previous gen with the PS2 selling 120 million shows consoles are here to stay

Simply PC gaming cannot die

It can certainly slow down, which it has.

Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

Thats funny seriously 200 million eh? man thats pretty sad since you never hear PC games selling well even when you add in the DD which I can only see hardcore hermits using since people/the general public still fear ordering stuff over the computer with identity theft,spam ware ect.While good old consoles/hand helds are pretty much safe.

How is he in denial? You even agreed to that PC piracy is bigger than console piracy, now you just being a hypocrite.

And don't worry, this gen will catch on way faster than last gen, even at their second/first year, X360 and Wii already caught on over 50%, it would just take another year before they beat their previous gen. Console gaming is on the rise, and fast.

WTF? You make it sounds like gaming would never exist because of PC, that's a load of BS I heard from a long time, every true gamer knows the very first game is PONG, a console game, NOT a PC game, and back the 70's, gaming was popular THANKS to arcades, not to PC. And last, gaming went dying after Atari, but Nintendo (a console) saved gaming from descrated disgrace, not PC.

So don't shove people with bunchload of BS that gaming would die/cannot exist if PC doesn't exist.

peacenutman

Pong wasn't the first videogame, the first videogame was a tennis sim developed on an oscilloscope. The earliest games were developed on early PC hardware. In fact, early arcade games were PCs of the era, fitted with coin mechanisms, which went along with the mainframe-sharing PC use of the day.

Nintendo didn't save gaming either, that's a load of BS spread by consolites. Gaming was alive and well after the crash of Atari on, you guess it, the PC. In fact, in Europe, where consoles were far less popular, there *was no crash*, thanks largely to the PC's open (and therefore stable and self-regulating) software market.

All arcade hardware evolved out of the development of hardware for PCs. You would not have fixed hardware boards (found in arcade machines) were it not for the huge advancements being made in PC architecture. In fact, arcade machines were using PC parts of the era - they were being constructed of the latest PC parts, which were not affordable to the average person, but through shared use, could be made viable.

The widespread success of consoles during the 1970s ~ 1990s was largely a phenomenon of Japan and the US - only a fraction of the global gaming market. Even then, as now, games were programmed on PCs, and the advancement of their hardware relied on the cost-cutting created by the advancement of PC hardware.

So yes, call it a "load of BS" all you like, consoles exist solely because of the advancements fueled by the more versatile, practical, and enterprise-savvy PC hardware, and this has become *more true* in the modern era, not less. I enjoy my DS, and I'll enjoy my 360 and PS3 later this year - but I have no qualms about admitting that they are simply fixed-hardware devices that owe their existence to standing on the shoulders of the PC industry.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]obviuslyFrozenLiquid

Its a bad habit, but I'll soon remember to use spell-check - with you there to remind me of my errors :P

How is he in denial? You even agreed to that PC piracy is bigger than console piracy, now you just being a hypocrite.

And don't worry, this gen will catch on way faster than last gen, even at their second/first year, X360 and Wii already caught on over 50%, it would just take another year before they beat their previous gen. Console gaming is on the rise, and fast.

peacenutman

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]obviuslyFrozenLiquid

Its a bad habit, but I'll soon remember to use spellcheck - with you there to remind me of my errors

Hard to argue a point when you come out as the fool with spelling errors :P

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos

Every MMO has failed in the last four years except WoW, so basically if a MMO isn't WoW = fail, even then one MMO wouldn't save a PC (its like saying Halo 3 is the only game to save the 360).

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC

Console piracy is very minimal compared to PC piracy and while PC, all you need is to DL *cant say the exact thing since I can get modded*.Basically think of it as say the size of PC piracy is the size of a Elephant, while console piracy is the size of a badger.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell

Lol omg sooooo hilarious Wii and the DS have been selling over a million units per month and retailers are having a hard time keeping them in stock and the previous gen with the PS2 selling 120 million shows consoles are here to stay

Simply PC gaming cannot die

It can certainly slow down, which it has.

Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

Thats funny seriously 200 million eh? man thats pretty sad since you never hear PC games selling well even when you add in the DD which I can only see hardcore hermits using since people/the general public still fear ordering stuff over the computer with identity theft,spam ware ect.While good old consoles/hand helds are pretty much safe.

skrat_01

2. Console piracy is still rampant. Console gamers are still up the top of torrent sites -360 and Wii - not PS3, and once you get a console mod chip there is no reason to go retail - unlike PC games that require registration and keys to play online.
And you are completely ignoring the much bigger threat of pre owned games which is simply astronomical - again - 1 Billion annually

3. You are comparing console handhelds and hardware to PCs? Well PC hardware sales kills console sales if you want to get into the hardware argument. Go look at Nvidias sales numbers. 60 million performance video cards for Nvidia only. Gee thats not much at all :roll:
As I said if PC gaming dies, console gaming will have also died. Its here to stay like it or not.

4. The NPD says it is increasing. And that is USA only. With the huge increase in useage of the Internet, and bandwith speeds its gotten even biggest in the last decade.

5. 200 million pc gamers. MSs words not mine

PC games do sell well - because you are obviusly increadably biased you dont even bother reading about it. The Witcher, over a million, Crysis over a million - hundreds of small developers like Stardock and Tatetalle games getting fantastic sales.

And with all these 'identity, theft, span ect.' why is Ebay and Amazon such massive success, why do so many people bank online, and why do 10 million people keep renewing the WoW subscriptions.

I think its obvious your biased perspective and limited view is holding you back from even acknowledging the facts.

1. This one you are right, MMO is very popular now, especailly in Asia, and I've being in one of Taiwanese game store, so many dam MMORPGs.

2. Console piracy is rampant.....then PC piracy is a bigger rampant, if you search a multiplat game in torrent, I gurantee you the PC verion would have more results. And I have talk to people at high school, most kids pirate PC games, but only a few pirate console games. And you missed the part that used game sales INCLUDES PC games as well, don't believe me? Check your local Gamestop/EBgames.

3. The link you provided stated "189 million discrete GPUs""GeForce 5, 6, 7, and 8 series GPUs for desktops and notebooks", that's not a fair comparison, that's a whole 4 generations of Nvidia chips, I willing to bet PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4 would top over 189 millions sales. And no, PC gaming WILL NOT die, BUT console gaming does NOT DIE if PC does, I know because I work at a game store, called Willow Video.

4. This one I agree as well, it is certainly increasing, thanks to WoW.

5. I am unbiased, I game on PC, PS3, X360, and especailly PC for RTS (I love RTS btw), which console sucks no questions ask.

Just ignore these ignorant console people. Win care's what they want to believe. The fact they go to such extreme's to bash pc games and the system tells me they actually see it as a threat. Honest. If they didn't why would they constantly bash it? Jealousy, plain and simple. Like i said before, its getting really old and a little sad now. Bordering pathetic.Frozzik

PC gaming isn't overrated one bit. In fact it's underrated. It has some of the greatest games of all time but in SW, you talk about how the PC is doing so well and you have a bunch of consolites who start complaining whereas they start talking about their beloved system and nobody says anything.

For example if you talk about a much anticipated console-exclusive game then no one complains. Not even hermits.

But if a PC gamer makes a thread about a highly anticipated PC exclusive then you get nothing more than consolites bashing it.

Not to say that every console gamer does this in SW, but it sometimes gets to the point where PC gamers aren't even allowed to post without some stupid reply back.

I'm not here to tell them they can't, or shouldn't.

But what I do do, for every platform, is attack arguments that are formed out of ignorance. There are, in all honestly, the majority of detractors of any platform - people who are simply seeking an ego-satisfaction from their attacks. They don't bother me, but their ignorance is responded to with knowledge.

What concerns me are the malignant detractors of platforms, persons who come here with a genuine agenda to trash and destroy. If you're really concerned about the well being of System Wars, about improving the community, and have the audacity to suggest my posting is anything but an extension of the deep passion I have for gaming, and my own personal integrity, I kindly ask you to find the door, anything else you have to say on that matter I consider to be a personal insult - one intended *solely* to offend my person.

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

PC gaming is rising thanks to the huge boom in digital distribution and mmos

Every MMO has failed in the last four years except WoW, so basically if a MMO isn't WoW = fail, even then one MMO wouldn't save a PC (its like saying Halo 3 is the only game to save the 360).

Now console gaming in many respects is in a worse position. The Mod Chip industry thrives, and piracy is still promiment - of course not as big as PC

Console piracy is very minimal compared to PC piracy and while PC, all you need is to DL *cant say the exact thing since I can get modded*.Basically think of it as say the size of PC piracy is the size of a Elephant, while console piracy is the size of a badger.

If PC gaming dies, console gaming will have died aswell

Lol omg sooooo hilarious Wii and the DS have been selling over a million units per month and retailers are having a hard time keeping them in stock and the previous gen with the PS2 selling 120 million shows consoles are here to stay

Simply PC gaming cannot die

It can certainly slow down, which it has.

Its the most popular gaming platform - obviusly - everyone owns a PC (200 million gamers says MS, 60 million performance / enthusiest video card owners - nvidia) - and it caters to the widest audience.

Thats funny seriously 200 million eh? man thats pretty sad since you never hear PC games selling well even when you add in the DD which I can only see hardcore hermits using since people/the general public still fear ordering stuff over the computer with identity theft,spam ware ect.While good old consoles/hand helds are pretty much safe.

skrat_01

2. Console piracy is still rampant. Console gamers are still up the top of torrent sites -360 and Wii - not PS3, and once you get a console mod chip there is no reason to go retail - unlike PC games that require registration and keys to play online.
And you are completely ignoring the much bigger threat of pre owned games which is simply astronomical - again - 1 Billion annually

3. You are comparing console handhelds and hardware to PCs? Well PC hardware sales kills console salesif you want to get into the hardware argument. Go look at Nvidias sales numbers. 60 million performance video cards for Nvidia only. Gee thats not much at all :roll:
As I said if PC gaming dies, console gaming will have also died. Its here to stay like it or not.

4. The NPD says it is increasing. And that is USA only. With the huge increase in useage of the Internet, and bandwith speeds its gotten even biggest in the last decade.

5. 200 million pc gamers. MSs words not mine

PC games do sell well - because you are obviusly increadably biased you dont even bother reading about it. The Witcher, over a million, Crysis over a million - hundreds of small developers like Stardock and Tatetalle games getting fantastic sales.

And with all these 'identity, theft, span ect.' why is Ebay and Amazon such massive success, why do so many people bank online, and why do 10 million people keep renewing the WoW subscriptions.

I think its obvious your biased perspective and limited view is holding you back from even acknowledging the facts.

1. when was the last everquest EXP? its basically dead,Guild wars is some what holding its own but for how long? (its been out for what 2-3 years?)

2. "unlike PC games that require registration and keys to play online"

which you can get very easily (myself and 3 other friends used the same WoW disks on different PCs)

3. lol video cards? omg put the bottle down read what I said, I was comparing the Wii or DS to the PC not a part you put into a PC

5. "200 million pc gamers. MSs words not mine"

common sense moment ready?, if a user base of that number was in fact true majority of PC games would easily sell 3-4 million units without breaking a sweat

"PC games do sell well - because you are obviusly increadably biased "

ooooh wow 2-3 titles sell over a million ooooh so awesome, you have console games who sell a million its first week so no I'm not biased like hermits and their everything is better on PC argument

"why do so many people bank online, and why do 10 million people keep renewing the WoW subscriptions."

why waste gas on a trip to the bank to check your $?

Lol funny you tell me I don't know anything about MMOs yet you think everybody in WoW pays with a credit card? lol they have pre paid cards man :lol:

PC gaming isn't overrated one bit. In fact it's underrated. It has some of the greatest games of all time but in SW, you talk about how the PC is doing so well and you have a bunch of consolites who start complaining whereas they start talking about their beloved system and nobody says anything.

For example if you talk about a much anticipated console-exclusive game then no one complains. Not even hermits.

But if a PC gamer makes a thread about a highly anticipated PC exclusive then you get nothing more than consolites bashing it.

Not to say that every console gamer does this in SW, but it sometimes gets to the point where PC gamers aren't even allowed to post without some stupid reply back.

mo0ksi

[QUOTE="peacenutman"]

WTF? You make it sounds like gaming would never exist because of PC, that's a load of BS I heard from a long time, every true gamer knows the very first game is PONG, a console game, NOT a PC game, and back the 70's, gaming was popular THANKS to arcades, not to PC. And last, gaming went dying after Atari, but Nintendo (a console) saved gaming from descrated disgrace, not PC.

So don't shove people with bunchload of BS that gaming would die/cannot exist if PC doesn't exist.

subrosian

Pong wasn't the first videogame, the first videogame was a tennis sim developed on an oscilloscope. The earliest games were developed on early PC hardware. In fact, early arcade games were PCs of the era, fitted with coin mechanisms, which went along with the mainframe-sharing PC use of the day.

Nintendo didn't save gaming either, that's a load of BS spread by consolites. Gaming was alive and well after the crash of Atari on, you guess it, the PC. In fact, in Europe, where consoles were far less popular, there *was no crash*, thanks largely to the PC's open (and therefore stable and self-regulating) software market.

All arcade hardware evolved out of the development of hardware for PCs. You would not have fixed hardware boards (found in arcade machines) were it not for the huge advancements being made in PC architecture. In fact, arcade machines were using PC parts of the era - they were being constructed of the latest PC parts, which were not affordable to the average person, but through shared use, could be made viable.

The widespread success of consoles during the 1970s ~ 1990s was largely a phenomenon of Japan and the US - only a fraction of the global gaming market. Even then, as now, games were programmed on PCs, and the advancement of their hardware relied on the cost-cutting created by the advancement of PC hardware.

So yes, call it a "load of BS" all you like, consoles exist solely because of the advancements fueled by the more versatile, practical, and enterprise-savvy PC hardware, and this has become *more true* in the modern era, not less. I enjoy my DS, and I'll enjoy my 360 and PS3 later this year - but I have no qualms about admitting that they are simply fixed-hardware devices that owe their existence to standing on the shoulders of the PC industry.

Uhh...Gaming development is always on PC, I think everyone knows that, but that does NOT mean PC gaming created gaming, there is a difference. PC paved the way for console gaming =/= PC GAMING paved the way for console gaming. And an oscilloscope IS NOT a PC.

Well according to bunch of game docuementaries (G4 and GT), Nintendo pretty much DID saved gaming, which means make gaming a mass market appeal again, I don't think PC did that because back then not every household has a PC, due to its price.

Lastly, arcade =/= PC, sure arcade machines built off PCs, but people go to arcades, not buy arcades home, because that would costs tons of $$$. And arcades don't use mouse and keyboard.

Uhh...Gaming development is always on PC, I think everyone knows that, but that does NOT mean PC gaming created gaming, there is a difference. PC paved the way for console gaming =/= PC GAMING paved the way for console gaming. And an oscilloscope IS NOT a PC.

Well according to bunch of game docuementaries (G4 and GT), Nintendo pretty much DID saved gaming, which means make gaming a mass market appeal again, I don't think PC did that because back then not every household has a PC, due to its price.

Lastly, arcade =/= PC, sure arcade machines built off PCs, but people go to arcades, not buy arcades home, because that would costs tons of $$$. And arcades don't use mouse and keyboard.

peacenutman

PC gaming does not equal mouse and keyboard. The earliest PC games didn't require a mouse, and since then a variety of inputs, including the infamous joystick, controllers, motion controllers, space sensors, and gaming mice have evolved.

And actually, you are incorrect, the first arcade machines were PCs fitted with coin slots. This was done *exactly because* the average person couldn't afford a PC. Think of it as you would a modern day cybercafe or LAN center - people were renting out "time" on the "gaming PC" in the form of plays.

Arcade machines were fixed-function, fixed-game machines, later changed to be upgradeable with new games, however they were using the PC hardware of the era. An oscilloscope not being a PC does not change the it was the first videogame.

The story you paint of the console market is just that - the story of the console market - it ignores that PC was sharing a boom period at the time. That it was not as *commercially widespread* in the US is irrelevant (as I already stated) because even in those days the PC was providing the hardware and software for console games.

Instead of fighting this though, why not simply admit that the PC is important? That without it, consoles would have to radically change, if they could even continue to exist at all - and that gaming history, on the whole, owes a huge debt to the evolution of the PC? Why is it that hard to admit?

1. This one you are right, MMO is very popular now, especailly in Asia, and I've being in one of Taiwanese game store, so many dam MMORPGs.

2. Console piracy is rampant.....then PC piracy is a bigger rampant, if you search a multiplat game in torrent, I gurantee you the PC verion would have more results. And I have talk to people at high school, most kids pirate PC games, but only a few pirate console games. And you missed the part that used game sales INCLUDES PC games as well, don't believe me? Check your local Gamestop/EBgames.

3. The link you provided stated "189 million discrete GPUs""GeForce 5, 6, 7, and 8 series GPUs for desktops and notebooks", that's not a fair comparison, that's a whole 4 generations of Nvidia chips, I willing to bet PS1, PS2, PS3, and PS4 would top over 189 millions sales. And no, PC gaming WILL NOT die, BUT console gaming does NOT DIE if PC does, I know because I work at a game store, called Willow Video.

4. This one I agree as well, it is certainly increasing, thanks to WoW.

5. I am unbiased, I game on PC, PS3, X360, and especailly PC for RTS (I love RTS btw), which console sucks no questions ask.

peacenutman

2. yes PC piracy is bigger than console - i never denied that. As for pre owned games - umm EB doesent allow to you trade PC games Dont know about gamestop as there are none here. Pre owned games are pretty much limited to console only, apart from a few rare retailers. As I said that is the biggest threat to console retail, just like piracy to PC - which mind you like pre owned games and console isnt stopping games from selling well.

3. Indeed that was 189 GPUs in total. Did you scale down to the 60millon performance GPUs? That generation of GPU series was since 2003 - five years accumulating 60 million performance video cards. Mind you this is Nvidia only.
Im just saying PC as an individual platform is going fine hardware sales wise.
And console gaming will die if PC gaming does. If you work in a retail store thats fantastic (no sarcasm), im starting a games graphics design university course - my point is though - does that make me any more/less knowlegeable or valid?. All this is, is your word against mine. The notion of PC gaming dieing is false, but consoles rely much on PC gaming - and the technology developed for it. There are others posting on this thread with proper arguments on this topic though.

4. I concur, WoW isnt the sole reason though, but in terms of digital subscription sales its a shining beacon - thus so many developers are jumping on the bandwagon

5. I cant dispute that (comment was originally aimed at the other guy of course), I like - and would like to own all systems - though only PC, 360 and handhelds. You're a very lucky chap having a PS3 and 360 combined with a gaming PC.

[QUOTE="peacenutman"]

Uhh...Gaming development is always on PC, I think everyone knows that, but that does NOT mean PC gaming created gaming, there is a difference. PC paved the way for console gaming =/= PC GAMING paved the way for console gaming. And an oscilloscope IS NOT a PC.

Well according to bunch of game docuementaries (G4 and GT), Nintendo pretty much DID saved gaming, which means make gaming a mass market appeal again, I don't think PC did that because back then not every household has a PC, due to its price.

Lastly, arcade =/= PC, sure arcade machines built off PCs, but people go to arcades, not buy arcades home, because that would costs tons of $$$. And arcades don't use mouse and keyboard.

subrosian

PC gaming does not equal mouse and keyboard. The earliest PC games didn't require a mouse, and since then a variety of inputs, including the infamous joystick, controllers, motion controllers, space sensors, and gaming mice have evolved.

And actually, you are incorrect, the first arcade machines were PCs fitted with coin slots. This was done *exactly because* the average person couldn't afford a PC. Think of it as you would a modern day cybercafe or LAN center - people were renting out "time" on the "gaming PC" in the form of plays.

Arcade machines were fixed-function, fixed-game machines, later changed to be upgradeable with new games, however they were using the PC hardware of the era. An oscilloscope not being a PC does not change the it was the first videogame.

The story you paint of the console market is just that - the story of the console market - it ignores that PC was sharing a boom period at the time. That it was not as *commercially widespread* in the US is irrelevant (as I already stated) because even in those days the PC was providing the hardware and software for console games.

Instead of fighting this though, why not simply admit that the PC is important? That without it, consoles would have to radically change, if they could even continue to exist at all - and that gaming history, on the whole, owes a huge debt to the evolution of the PC? Why is it that hard to admit?

I never said PC was unimportant, PC is important, everyday from students, bussinessmen, teachers, accountants, scientists. I love gaming on PC as well, just not as passionate back in the 90s. I REPEAT, PC IS IMPORTANT, I never denied that. Without PC, there is no game. BUT, a big BUT, PC=/=PC gaming, to me, you make it sounds like console gaming depends on PC gaming, which is UNTRUE. Unless you said console gaming depends on PC, I would agree whole heartedly. To me that word "gaming" at the end makes a huge difference. It sounds like console gaming is leeching off pc gaming, which is not.

Ad Hominem attacks are petty, FrozenLiquid, and accomplish little. I've pointed out at uncomfortable fact for that handful of people who target the PC - that the majority of your cohorts dislike / attack the PC gaming platform simply out of ignorance, and a desire to feel better about the console they own. I don't blame them - they're young, they likely spent a significant percentage of their personal income on their platform of choice, and they want to feel good about it.

I'm not here to tell them they can't, or shouldn't.

But what I do do, for every platform, is attack arguments that are formed out of ignorance. There are, in all honestly, the majority of detractors of any platform - people who are simply seeking an ego-satisfaction from their attacks. They don't bother me, but their ignorance is responded to with knowledge.

What concerns me are the malignant detractors of platforms, persons who come here with a genuine agenda to trash and destroy. If you're really concerned about the well being of System Wars, about improving the community, and have the audacity to suggest my posting is anything but an extension of the deep passion I have for gaming, and my own personal integrity, I kindly ask you to find the door, anything else you have to say on that matter I consider to be a personal insult - one intended *solely* to offend my person.

subrosian

1. when was the last everquest EXP? its basically dead,Guild wars is some what holding its own but for how long? (its been out for what 2-3 years?)

2. "unlike PC games that require registration and keys to play online"

which you can get very easily (myself and 3 other friends used the same WoW disks on different PCs)

3. lol video cards? omg put the bottle down read what I said, I was comparing the Wii or DS to the PC not a part you put into a PC

5. "200 million pc gamers. MSs words not mine"

common sense moment ready?, if a user base of that number was in fact true majority of PC games would easily sell 3-4 million units without breaking a sweat

"PC games do sell well - because you are obviusly increadably biased "

ooooh wow 2-3 titles sell over a million ooooh so awesome, you have console games who sell a million its first week so no I'm not biased like hermits and their everything is better on PC argument

"why do so many people bank online, and why do 10 million people keep renewing the WoW subscriptions."

why waste gas on a trip to the bank to check your $?

Lol funny you tell me I don't know anything about MMOs yet you think everybody in WoW pays with a credit card? lol they have pre paid cards man :lol:

Ballroompirate

2. No you cant. individual keys are requried to play the games online. You can install the game onto multiple PCs, that doesent mean you can create multiple accounts and use it at the same time on multiple computers - unless you are playing on private servers - evading suprscriptions. Look at games like Battlefield 2, Company of Heroes - heck a huge amount of games which demmand a valid serial to play online.

3. Ah yes those video cards are PC HARDWARE. I am comparing CONSOLE HARDWARE to PC GAMING HARDWARE.

5. No that is the fact. My else would MS bother saying it. People still play decade old PC games on their systems, and there is a HUGE variety and selection of titles - because of such a diverse userbase. Why do you think such a broad selection of games sell well? Do you think gamers playing the Sims (20 million) and Starcraft (10+ million) have both in their collections?

Yea these console titles sell over a million in the first week with a huge marketing campaign in tow - ala Halo 3, Gears of War. Because we all know The Witcher got its own special MountainDew right?

Exactly. You corrected your own orignal comment yourself.

You can pay by paypal, or you can buy gamercards - of the two month sub variety over the counter at any game store. Who doesent know that.

I'm not in to PC gaming i just want to know if Action Adventure games (e.g AC,GOW, Uncharted) have better controls on PC than consoles since it is one my favourite genreEPaul

The controls are I guess superiour - as you can pretty much configure any gamepad or controller for these games on PC.

I'm not in to PC gaming i just want to know if Action Adventure games (e.g AC,GOW, Uncharted) have better controls on PC than consoles since it is one my favourite genreEPaul

It all comes down to game library, really. Sure PC has highest resolution and mods, but console exclusives are better than PC IMO...for now.

[QUOTE="EPaul"]I'm not in to PC gaming i just want to know if Action Adventure games (e.g AC,GOW, Uncharted) have better controls on PC than consoles since it is one my favourite genrepeacenutman

It all comes down to game library, really. Sure PC has highest resolution and mods, but console exclusives are better than PC IMO...for now.

However its when people begin directly comparing - taking away the 'imo' is when people start throwing around GS statistics.

[QUOTE="peacenutman"]

[QUOTE="EPaul"]I'm not in to PC gaming i just want to know if Action Adventure games (e.g AC,GOW, Uncharted) have better controls on PC than consoles since it is one my favourite genreskrat_01

It all comes down to game library, really. Sure PC has highest resolution and mods, but console exclusives are better than PC IMO...for now.

However its when people begin directly comparing - taking away the 'imo' is when people start throwing around GS statistics.

I wish people would stop combining all the consoles when it comes to exclusive games, then compare them to pc. Pc is one format, consoles are 3. Sure compare pc to 360 or pc to ps3. Its a little unfair to do a pc v's all console comparison though when it comes to exclusive games. Frozzik

If you're talking about PC gaming vs Console gaming in general, then you have to count all the consoles, because the option is there to get them all.

I wish people would stop combining all the consoles when it comes to exclusive games, then compare them to pc. Pc is one format, consoles are 3. Sure compare pc to 360 or pc to ps3. Its a little unfair to do a pc v's all console comparison though when it comes to exclusive games. Frozzik

I don't really care either way. The PC is cheaper than all of them combined, represents more genres than all of them combined and has more AAAE/AAE than all of them combined.

I would prove this of course, if it wasn't for the fact that I can't find the damn list I saw so many months ago.

A hardcore console gamer doesn't need all three. Why not just include the price of every console ever made? A true hardcore console gamer necessity. Or, if a console gamer needs all three, surely he can combine all their games and sales and strengths? But since that would be silly, we'll just go with one being cheaper than the other.

With just the Wii, I'm spending a lot, but not nearly as much as I would be with the PC. That is a weakness on the PC's part.

Alright, then can the same be applied to consoles? If I find a guy selling a used-but still-perfectly-fine 360 for cheap on eBay, does that set the standard for the cost of the 360? Even if it's easier than I think, it's still one too many hoops to jump through.

I'm sure there are good fighting games on the PC. I'm also sure that there isn't as many as on consoles, and that they aren't as easy to find. It's generally agreed that if you want fighting games, PC is not the best place to go. That's genre weakness.

Really, all I'm trying to say is that these are very valid weaknesses for the PC. I'm not saying one is better than the other.Tsug_Ze_Wind

I don't see why that would be silly to bring up the cost of owning all three consoles, especially since one of your arguments is the genres that consoles fill. The fact is that consoles has that variety spread across multiple platforms. You can't be solely a Wii gamer and brag about the abundance of fighting games and shooters, much like you can't be a 360 owner and brag about the abundance of JRPGs and platform games.

The fact is that you may be spending quite a bit on your Wii but solely spending cash on your Wii locks you out of the opportunity of playing games from other genres that the consoles offer.

It's funny that you are trying to say the PC has weaknesses and I agree yet you completely ignore and try to deflect any weaknesses consoles have. If you want everything available to you as a console gamer, you need all three. You cannot brag about the variety consoles has when that variety is spread across multiple platforms.