DOA Creator bashes tekken

[QUOTE="DementedDragon"]it's one of the few 3D fighters that can compete with VF on all levels.Forza_2

Tekken can't compete with VF on all levels. Not in a million years.

Not really. I'm willing to debate it. Why is VF better than Tekken? I want all the nitty gritty. The works.

Not really. I'm willing to debate it. Why is VF better than Tekken? I want all the nitty gritty. The works.ChrisMun

Go look at the characters' move sets. Look at everything you can do in both games.

VF has more depth. Here's some help: www.google.com

[QUOTE="curp11"]

"Stale for years" This is where your argument completely fails. Consider the step from Tekken 4 to Tekken 5 and you'll just realise. Heck, last year Tekken DR got 9.2 and doyou know why it scored that much? It was stale, wasn't it?

ChrisMun

From Tekken 3, to 4, to 5 was pretty dramatic on the series. 3 was fantastic. 4 took the right turn for the environments, looks, ects, but they broke the game. 5 was a rebirth of Tekken and a very well praised one. Tekken 6? I'm a little worried about it to be honest to where it's going. But it'll be while till we see it hit home consoles.

Tekken 5 on the ps2 was broken the hop kick for example animation overides most counters it's gameplay sucked vf4 owned it. As for it being popular lets see the playstation has been the dominate platform think that might have something to do with it :roll:

Just like GT is more popular than GTR on pc and even gets better scores but still gets owned on gamplay. Scores are not all, just like popularity/sales does not= better. I hope 6 will be better but most likely it will be like 5dr with more modes and fighters = stale. Enjoy your tekken the real fighting game fans will enjoy VF5 like I do while the casual fighting game fans will flock to tekken :D

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"]Not really. I'm willing to debate it. Why is VF better than Tekken? I want all the nitty gritty. The works.Forza_2

Go look at the characters' move sets. Look at everything you can do in both games.

VF has more depth. Here's some help: www.google.com

And yet you've yet to prove it with your own experience. Looks like I win this debate after all. A move list set doesn't make a game better than the other.

ChiChiMonKilla

Tekken 5 on the ps2 was broken the hop kick for example animation overides most counters it's gameplay sucked vf4 owned it. As for it being popular lets see the playstation has been the dominate platform think that might have something to do with it :roll:

Just like GT is more popular than GTR on pc and even gets better scores but still gets owned on gamplay. Scores are not all, just like popularity/sales does not= better. I hope 6 will be better but most likely it will be like 5dr with more modes and fighters = stale. Enjoy your tekken the real fighting game fans will enjoy VF5 like I do while the casual fighting game fans will flock to tekken :D

So...the Playstation name just happened to make Tekken more popular? I think you got your stories mixed up there chum. VF and Tekken were both available on a Playstation platform. I think sales numbers speak for themself. And every fighter is stale. Haven't you heard? From VF4 to VF5...uh...yeah. More modes. Fighters = Stale. And the real fighting game fans? Oooookay then. Again, World EVO destorys your theory of who plays more of and the popularity. Perhaps you need to go join the 1UP boards. They boast and praise VF like crying fanboys that don't back up the facts of why the game is better than the other.

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"]Not really. I'm willing to debate it. Why is VF better than Tekken? I want all the nitty gritty. The works.ChrisMun

Go look at the characters' move sets. Look at everything you can do in both games.

VF has more depth. Here's some help: www.google.com

And yet you've yet to prove it with your own experience. Looks like I win this debate after all. A move list set doesn't make a game better than the other.

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"]Not really. I'm willing to debate it. Why is VF better than Tekken? I want all the nitty gritty. The works.ChiChiMonKilla

Go look at the characters' move sets. Look at everything you can do in both games.

VF has more depth. Here's some help: www.google.com

And yet you've yet to prove it with your own experience. Looks like I win this debate after all. A move list set doesn't make a game better than the other.

You're still not answering the question. You're giving little basis of the debate with just the movelist. Again. A movelist will not doctune a game being better than the others. Yes, VF has a much more complex system in place but it's not entirely used throughout the game. I've seen plenty of fights. I play the game on a regular basis here. Akira is who I use mostly. Probably the most difficult character in the game to use. I'll admit, VF is more of the hardcore game, but is it too hardcore? I say the answer is yes. A fighting game that merits to being far to complex can turn off players and won't even care about.

Tekken is more than casual. But it's not overly done of being so difficult to learn. New players don't want that. That's what makes Tekken a more pick up and play type of game. While you have others who study framerates of each character (which I think is out of control), know what move will pick up after a trip, or start a juggle, etc. So with all that said, what makes Tekken a better game? What makes VF a better game? I don't want to have to go ever each mechanic of the game because...eh. Let's just not go there please.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"]Not really. I'm willing to debate it. Why is VF better than Tekken? I want all the nitty gritty. The works.ChrisMun

Go look at the characters' move sets. Look at everything you can do in both games.

VF has more depth. Here's some help: www.google.com

And yet you've yet to prove it with your own experience. Looks like I win this debate after all. A move list set doesn't make a game better than the other.

You're still not answering the question. You're giving little basis of the debate with just the movelist. Again. A movelist will not doctune a game being better than the others. Yes, VF has a much more complex system in place but it's not entirely used throughout the game. I've seen plenty of fights. I play the game on a regular basis here. Akira is who I use mostly. Probably the most difficult character in the game to use. I'll admit, VF is more of the hardcore game, but is it too hardcore? I say the answer is yes. A fighting game that merits to being far to complex can turn off players and won't even care about.

Tekken is more than casual. But it's not overly done of being so difficult to learn. New players don't want that. That's what makes Tekken a more pick up and play type of game. While you have others who study framerates of each character (which I think is out of control), know what move will pick up after a trip, or start a juggle, etc. So with all that said, what makes Tekken a better game? What makes VF a better game? I don't want to have to go ever each mechanic of the game because...eh. Let's just not go there please.

I could go over the game list and explain VF5 in detail but just one persons move list would take a full page and explaining how to use and counter them would take another 2 or more pages leaving out how the levels affect your move selection ect.

I don;t really like DOA that much, but Tekken just pisses me off as far as gameplay goes.

Its like a draft for a 3D fighting game systemand they just layer more pretty graphics over it every other year.

ChinoJamesKeene

says the person that button-mashes

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="curp11"]

"Stale for years" This is where your argument completely fails. Consider the step from Tekken 4 to Tekken 5 and you'll just realise. Heck, last year Tekken DR got 9.2 and doyou know why it scored that much? It was stale, wasn't it?

ChiChiMonKilla

From Tekken 3, to 4, to 5 was pretty dramatic on the series. 3 was fantastic. 4 took the right turn for the environments, looks, ects, but they broke the game. 5 was a rebirth of Tekken and a very well praised one. Tekken 6? I'm a little worried about it to be honest to where it's going. But it'll be while till we see it hit home consoles.

Tekken 5 on the ps2 was broken the hop kick for example animation overides most counters it's gameplay sucked vf4 owned it. As for it being popular lets see the playstation has been the dominate platform think that might have something to do with it :roll:

Just like GT is more popular than GTR on pc and even gets better scores but still gets owned on gamplay. Scores are not all, just like popularity/sales does not= better. I hope 6 will be better but most likely it will be like 5dr with more modes and fighters = stale. Enjoy your tekken the real fighting game fans will enjoy VF5 like I do while the casual fighting game fans will flock to tekken :D

Oh geez, you have forgotten Tekken Tag, 9.6....9.6, another hit after tekken 3. And you stated that tekken 4 sucked till tekken 5dr on ps3 came outand futhermore 10 years......wrong again. Between Tekken 4 and Tekken dr, there is Tekken 5 on the PS2 and it was undeniably a major hit. You fail for calling it broken. The GS score speaks for itself. And remember, real fighting gamefans converge towards Tekken.Do i need givingyou a tutorial on the depth of the Tekken gameplay?

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]DoA is a mindless button-masher. It has no business being mentioned with the likes of Virtua Figher, Tekken, or SoulCalibur. SmashBrosLegend

It only took you 1 sentence to fail. DoA is far from a button-masher. My frame-counting friends would love to see you online.

I'm only speaking from my experiences with DoA 2 for Dreamcast and DoA 3 for Xbox. I was able to progress through the entire story modes at the highest difficulty on each game by repeatedly mashing the same buttons.

What the? A fighting game's merits is never judged by how you beat it's story mode.

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="curp11"]

"Stale for years" This is where your argument completely fails. Consider the step from Tekken 4 to Tekken 5 and you'll just realise. Heck, last year Tekken DR got 9.2 and doyou know why it scored that much? It was stale, wasn't it?

curp11

From Tekken 3, to 4, to 5 was pretty dramatic on the series. 3 was fantastic. 4 took the right turn for the environments, looks, ects, but they broke the game. 5 was a rebirth of Tekken and a very well praised one. Tekken 6? I'm a little worried about it to be honest to where it's going. But it'll be while till we see it hit home consoles.

Tekken 5 on the ps2 was broken the hop kick for example animation overides most counters it's gameplay sucked vf4 owned it. As for it being popular lets see the playstation has been the dominate platform think that might have something to do with it :roll:

Just like GT is more popular than GTR on pc and even gets better scores but still gets owned on gamplay. Scores are not all, just like popularity/sales does not= better. I hope 6 will be better but most likely it will be like 5dr with more modes and fighters = stale. Enjoy your tekken the real fighting game fans will enjoy VF5 like I do while the casual fighting game fans will flock to tekken :D

Oh geez, you have forgotten Tekken Tag, 9.6....9.6, another hit after tekken 3. And you stated that tekken 4 sucked till tekken 5dr on ps3 came outand futhermore 10 years......wrong again. Between Tekken 4 and Tekken dr, there is Tekken 5 on the PS2 and it was undeniably a major hit. You fail for calling it broken. The GS score speaks for itself. And remember, real fighting gamefans converge towards Tekken.Do i need givingyou a tutorial on the depth of the Tekken gameplay?

Just a fact I need to include here.

Just because you can button mash in DOA & Soul Calibur doesn't mean there is no top-tier play. If your getting beaten by a scrub or a button basher, it's your fault , not the game's.

A move list set doesn't make a game better than the other. ChrisMun

Ugh... where did I say it's better ? If you are to compare Tekken to VF, VF has more depth in gameplay. Therefore, Tekken can't compete with VF in all levels.

And I don't need to prove anything. If you know both games well enough you know I'm speaking the truth.

[QUOTE="curp11"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="curp11"]

"Stale for years" This is where your argument completely fails. Consider the step from Tekken 4 to Tekken 5 and you'll just realise. Heck, last year Tekken DR got 9.2 and doyou know why it scored that much? It was stale, wasn't it?

ChiChiMonKilla

From Tekken 3, to 4, to 5 was pretty dramatic on the series. 3 was fantastic. 4 took the right turn for the environments, looks, ects, but they broke the game. 5 was a rebirth of Tekken and a very well praised one. Tekken 6? I'm a little worried about it to be honest to where it's going. But it'll be while till we see it hit home consoles.

Tekken 5 on the ps2 was broken the hop kick for example animation overides most counters it's gameplay sucked vf4 owned it. As for it being popular lets see the playstation has been the dominate platform think that might have something to do with it :roll:

Just like GT is more popular than GTR on pc and even gets better scores but still gets owned on gamplay. Scores are not all, just like popularity/sales does not= better. I hope 6 will be better but most likely it will be like 5dr with more modes and fighters = stale. Enjoy your tekken the real fighting game fans will enjoy VF5 like I do while the casual fighting game fans will flock to tekken :D

Oh geez, you have forgotten Tekken Tag, 9.6....9.6, another hit after tekken 3. And you stated that tekken 4 sucked till tekken 5dr on ps3 came outand futhermore 10 years......wrong again. Between Tekken 4 and Tekken dr, there is Tekken 5 on the PS2 and it was undeniably a major hit. You fail for calling it broken. The GS score speaks for itself. And remember, real fighting gamefans converge towards Tekken.Do i need givingyou a tutorial on the depth of the Tekken gameplay?

Oh GOD, what are you trying to show us? Bleh, but you know the first link is about glitches and you do know glitches exist in all fighting games, do you? And lol thanks for the 2nd link.....its a vid that shows how tekken rocks. pwned

[QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="curp11"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="curp11"]

"Stale for years" This is where your argument completely fails. Consider the step from Tekken 4 to Tekken 5 and you'll just realise. Heck, last year Tekken DR got 9.2 and doyou know why it scored that much? It was stale, wasn't it?

curp11

From Tekken 3, to 4, to 5 was pretty dramatic on the series. 3 was fantastic. 4 took the right turn for the environments, looks, ects, but they broke the game. 5 was a rebirth of Tekken and a very well praised one. Tekken 6? I'm a little worried about it to be honest to where it's going. But it'll be while till we see it hit home consoles.

Tekken 5 on the ps2 was broken the hop kick for example animation overides most counters it's gameplay sucked vf4 owned it. As for it being popular lets see the playstation has been the dominate platform think that might have something to do with it :roll:

Just like GT is more popular than GTR on pc and even gets better scores but still gets owned on gamplay. Scores are not all, just like popularity/sales does not= better. I hope 6 will be better but most likely it will be like 5dr with more modes and fighters = stale. Enjoy your tekken the real fighting game fans will enjoy VF5 like I do while the casual fighting game fans will flock to tekken :D

Oh geez, you have forgotten Tekken Tag, 9.6....9.6, another hit after tekken 3. And you stated that tekken 4 sucked till tekken 5dr on ps3 came outand futhermore 10 years......wrong again. Between Tekken 4 and Tekken dr, there is Tekken 5 on the PS2 and it was undeniably a major hit. You fail for calling it broken. The GS score speaks for itself. And remember, real fighting gamefans converge towards Tekken.Do i need givingyou a tutorial on the depth of the Tekken gameplay?

Oh GOD, what are you trying to show us? Bleh, but you know the first link is about glitches and you do know glitches exist in all fighting games, do you? And lol thanks for the 2nd link.....its a vid that shows how tekken rocks. pwned

It's pointless talking to you obviously you have no clue about fighting games or the merits of VF's gameplay. You actually like that crappy wall trap stuff and trash hit detection in you mind that "rocks".

VF > SF > DOA > Tekken

Tekken is a bottom of the barrel fighter.

BioShockOwnz

s[QUOTE="curp11"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="curp11"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="curp11"]

ChiChiMonKilla

It's pointless talking to you obviously you have no clue about fighting games or the merits of VF's gameplay. You actually like that crappy wall trap stuff and trash hit detection in you mind that "rocks".

Oh boy, how are you wrong there. I've played the best VF out there; VF 4 evolution on the ps2 and i'd say Tekken 3, tag and 5 beat the crap out of it. It seems that you button-mash the controller when you play Tekken, thinking that the game is meant to be played like that.

Virtual fighter- FOr someone who wants a real fighting game.

Tekken- For someone who is a n00b at virtual fighter.

DoA- For someone who is underage for pr0n.ninjiijitsuu

Virtual fighter- FOr someone who wants a real fighting game.

Tekken- For someone who is a n00b at virtual fighter.

.ninjiijitsuu

sure, World EVO backs-up your claims :roll:

The only tekken I didn't like was Tekken 4, the othertekkens pwn...

[QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="curp11"]

"Stale for years" This is where your argument completely fails. Consider the step from Tekken 4 to Tekken 5 and you'll just realise. Heck, last year Tekken DR got 9.2 and doyou know why it scored that much? It was stale, wasn't it?

ChiChiMonKilla

From Tekken 3, to 4, to 5 was pretty dramatic on the series. 3 was fantastic. 4 took the right turn for the environments, looks, ects, but they broke the game. 5 was a rebirth of Tekken and a very well praised one. Tekken 6? I'm a little worried about it to be honest to where it's going. But it'll be while till we see it hit home consoles.

Tekken 5 on the ps2 was broken the hop kick for example animation overides most counters it's gameplay sucked vf4 owned it. As for it being popular lets see the playstation has been the dominate platform think that might have something to do with it :roll:

Just like GT is more popular than GTR on pc and even gets better scores but still gets owned on gamplay. Scores are not all, just like popularity/sales does not= better. I hope 6 will be better but most likely it will be like 5dr with more modes and fighters = stale. Enjoy your tekken the real fighting game fans will enjoy VF5 like I do while the casual fighting game fans will flock to tekken :D

what about vf5 being a mild update of vf4 with just 8 way sidesteping and character adjustments?

[QUOTE="curp11"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"][QUOTE="ChrisMun"][QUOTE="curp11"]

"Stale for years" This is where your argument completely fails. Consider the step from Tekken 4 to Tekken 5 and you'll just realise. Heck, last year Tekken DR got 9.2 and doyou know why it scored that much? It was stale, wasn't it?

ChiChiMonKilla

From Tekken 3, to 4, to 5 was pretty dramatic on the series. 3 was fantastic. 4 took the right turn for the environments, looks, ects, but they broke the game. 5 was a rebirth of Tekken and a very well praised one. Tekken 6? I'm a little worried about it to be honest to where it's going. But it'll be while till we see it hit home consoles.

Tekken 5 on the ps2 was broken the hop kick for example animation overides most counters it's gameplay sucked vf4 owned it. As for it being popular lets see the playstation has been the dominate platform think that might have something to do with it :roll:

Just like GT is more popular than GTR on pc and even gets better scores but still gets owned on gamplay. Scores are not all, just like popularity/sales does not= better. I hope 6 will be better but most likely it will be like 5dr with more modes and fighters = stale. Enjoy your tekken the real fighting game fans will enjoy VF5 like I do while the casual fighting game fans will flock to tekken :D

Oh geez, you have forgotten Tekken Tag, 9.6....9.6, another hit after tekken 3. And you stated that tekken 4 sucked till tekken 5dr on ps3 came outand futhermore 10 years......wrong again. Between Tekken 4 and Tekken dr, there is Tekken 5 on the PS2 and it was undeniably a major hit. You fail for calling it broken. The GS score speaks for itself. And remember, real fighting gamefans converge towards Tekken.Do i need givingyou a tutorial on the depth of the Tekken gameplay?

show me some combo glitches of tekken 5, youre so compeld to show the very unfortunate tekken 4.

dont insult my favirite fighting game

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]DoA is a mindless button-masher. It has no business being mentioned with the likes of Virtua Figher, Tekken, or SoulCalibur. NavigatorsGhost

It only took you 1 sentence to fail. DoA is far from a button-masher. My frame-counting friends would love to see you online.

frame-counting and online does not mix.

My friends do it well. One of them posts in SW. He's a stud. Been playing regularly since it launched.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

Itagki's Top 5 Favorite and Hated games (2005...this is nothing new)

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3144194

The Wiki on why Itagki hates Tekken

Itagaki has consistently given harsh opinions on Namco's Tekken games, mainly due to his grudge against the company for its insulting radio commercial on his Dead or Alive game. He has stated he never forgets an insult to his family, and will retaliate with "nuclear missiles more than 100 times for that". This along with what he views as Tekken's stagnation in the fighting game genre (starting from Tekken 4), led him to comdemn the Tekken series, placing it as his top five hated games, in spite of him stating Tekken, Tekken 2, and Tekken 3 were good games which his family enjoyed.

People, it has nothing to do with the actual Tekken games, so stop making it about the games. He has personal beef, and it should be looked at from that framework.

Dreams-Visions

Okay...so everyone is going to skip this post and continue going on their fanboy tirades? :|

Still worth quoting...for perspective.

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]DoA is a mindless button-masher. It has no business being mentioned with the likes of Virtua Figher, Tekken, or SoulCalibur. Dreams-Visions

It only took you 1 sentence to fail. DoA is far from a button-masher. My frame-counting friends would love to see you online.

frame-counting and online does not mix.

My friends do it well. One of them posts in SW. He's a stud. Been playing regularly since it launched.

seriously it doesn't work, well maybe for the forgiving DoA it does...

360 fanboys tekken sucks

ps 3 fanboys tekken is the best

rest of the world it is the most played and loved fighter in the arcades which makes the ps 3 fanboys right i guess.

lol, frame counting? In DOA?

there's too much recovery time and too large of an attack window for anyone to be focusing on 'frame counting' in DOA.