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#1 SteezyZ
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I'm curious how people in this forum can still have loyalty to a particular gaming hardware brand, after all the things that have happened this gen?

Nintendo seemed to have an interesting idea with the motion-sensing controller when they first announced the Wii. There were dreams of new FPS experiences, better ways to interact with games, and overal ingenuity that Ninty is known for. But what did we get? A console that simply ignores the hardcore audience. I can't bash Ninty for making tons of games catered to a more casual audience since, hey, everybody needs to pay the bills. But how they are completely ignoring the non-casuals is shocking. Would you have still bought a Wii at launch, knowing that the good titles would be few and far between, and that Nintendo may no longer care to make anything other than mini-games?

Sony, on the other hand, has suffered from different problems with the PS3 and PSP. For what was initially a $600 platform, the games underwhelmed. Would you have still bought a PS3 at launch knowing that it would take almost 2 years for the really good titles to start rolling in, and that it would drop in price so rapidly? This year Sony finally put out some high-quality titles, but multplats still lag behind the competition. For all the bragging they've done about the Cell a competing platform at half the price seems to be chugging just as well. Their consistent PR BS only seemed to have made people jaded about them. To add insult to injury, they've all but left the PSP to die. There were still some great titles this year, but it seems all the devs have already jumped ship. Their recent Playstation Store initiative is great, but is something I've been wondering about for 2 years already, and strikes me a too little, too late, possibly because they didn't accept that UMDs sucked.

Microsoft did a lot of good things to build a fanbase this time around, but all that inevitable will get forgotten for their next console due to the RRoD issue. Would you still have bought a 360 at launch knowing that your chances of hardware failure were so high? I suppose the problem has more or less gone away, but as a shrewd consumer, I find it odd that MS still hasn't come out with an press release explicitly stating what exactly was wrong, and exactly how they've fixed it. I'm also curious to see how much longer the Xbox Live subscription will last...if PSN gets its act together and offers the exact same experience, and Steam keeps on growing and getting better, will they still be able to justify a fee?

PC harwareis a slightly different beast, at least from my experience. When upgrading to the latest and greatest, I've never cared if it was an Intel vs AMD, or Nvidia or ATI...whichever one was the fastest, or offered the best price-to-performance, got my cash. Looking back, it almost seems as though I've flip-floped between the competitors each time I've upgraded. But I can imagine it sucked for someone that bought an expensive Nvidia Geforce4-series card after their successful 2-3 series, only for the cheaper ATI Radeon8500-series to beat it out in performance.

Personally, I can't see myself jumping into bed right off the bat with any of these companies next generation based on brand alone. What about you?

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#2 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Brand loyalty is daft. Buy whatever has the games you want to play. Those companies don't care about anything but your $, why should you give your soul to them?
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#3 Cole-Protocal
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Sony loyalty is going down in Europe and is still strong in japan.
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#4 nmaharg
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I'm a MS fan for one major reason. They listen to there fans. They do alot of stupid crap everyone knows this. But no other company puts as much effort into listening to there fans.

This goes for PC as well as Xbox. Can't wait for windows 7 and dirextx 11.

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#5 Floppy_Jim
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I wouldn't say I'm "loyal" to Sony and MS considering the vile things they have done this gen. But that won't stop me from buying the PS4 and 720 (if the consoles are actually good, of course). And brand loyalty still exists in the real world, just look at the PS brand in Europe for example. And the Xbox brand in Japan, although that's kinda the reverse.
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#6 organic_machine
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Sony loyalty is going down in Europe and is still strong in japan. Cole-Protocal

Keep those soldiers fighting. We can TAKE Japan!!!!

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#7 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="nmaharg"]

I'm a MS fan for one major reason. They listen to there fans. They do alot of stupid crap everyone knows this. But no other company puts as much effort into listening to there fans.

This goes for PC as well as Xbox. Can't wait for windows 7 and dirextx 11.

Hopefully that will mean the "720" won't keep breaking down! :P
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#8 AdrianWerner
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The only brand loyalty I have is for Thinkpad laptops :)
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#9 Vanadium2k8
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Sony loyalty is going down in Europe and is still strong in japan. Cole-Protocal
Hardly. The PS3 is even selling slower than the Gamecube. How can Sony loyalty be considered "strong"? The Gamecube at this point in time, in the holiday season was selling 140k-160k. The PS3 is selling only a third of that at 50k. (Japan).
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#10 organic_machine
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The only brand loyalty I have is for Thinkpad laptops :)AdrianWerner

Actually, you're right. The IBM thinkpad laptops are probebly the best laptops in terms of price:performance that I have ever used.

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#11 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]The only brand loyalty I have is for Thinkpad laptops :)organic_machine

Actually, you're right. The IBM thinkpad laptops are probebly the best laptops in terms of price:performance that I have ever used.

Yep. Plus I;m spoiled already, every other KB in laptops seems like utter crap after Thinkpad, I can't stand using anything besides trackpoint anymore, plus they have such classy professional look. Eveyrbody else is trying to compete with Apple, making "ultra-cool" laptops, it's nice, but it's like newest shiny Nike clotes, they're nice and all, but using the clothes analogy: thinkpads are like a good classy suit :)
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#12 buuzer0
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Brand loyalty is daft. Buy whatever has the games you want to play. Those companies don't care about anything but your $, why should you give your soul to them?blue_hazy_basic
I agree. Brand loyalty is dumb. Whatever product interests me I will purchase. I noticed the OP mentioned, buying the platforms at launch based on brand loyalty, and I think that's a dumb idea as well. I don't buy a console until there is a game that I absolutely have to buy. I did it with the 360 for the first Gears, and the Wii when Brawl was released. I kind of regret the latter now though.
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#13 Nintendo_Ownes7
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I'm not really Brand Loyal. I will always buy a Nintendo console but that is because Nintendo makes the games I like. I always have a 2nd Console and that 2nd Console is determined by what games I want for it this gen it is PS3, earlier this gen it was 360 but that wasn't my console it was my brothers. Last gen it was PS2 and Dreamcast, then the gen before it was N64 and PS1, then SNES and Genesis.

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#14 shadow_hosi
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well nintendo will always have my support, i love what they did with the wii and cant wait for their next batch of first party:D M$,well, lets just say the only reason i have windows is that it has the best game support sony? ill get their stuff, eventually, when it drops to 1/2 of its launch price(yay i got one :D)
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#15 Blackbond
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Does it exist? Yes

Does it matter? I'll assume it does

Does it matter to me? Hell no.

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#16 PS_John
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Still happens a lot I laugh at the people who are loyal to a particular brand
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#17 Blackbond
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Still happens a lot I laugh at the people who are loyal to a particular brandPS_John

Looks at your avatar.....

Looks at your sig.....

Recalls strongly negitive comments towards the Wii and its so called fanbase.....

Strong demonstration of contradicting logic you have there eh?

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Still happens a lot I laugh at the people who are loyal to a particular brandPS_John
Post of the Year.
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#19 osan0
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i dont have any brand loyalty.

i dont buy a product simply becuase it came from a certain company.

at the moment im leaning towards ninty and the PC.

ninty because i like there ideas with the wii and it has some crackin games that will neer see the light of day on another platform. it definately compliments other platforms very well as it offers a unique experience. however i ignored ninty after the snes as they just lost the plot.

PC is a constant for me. ive always loved PC games and PC gaming. however i dont have any loyalty to a particular PC company. i bought intel and nvidia hardware for my PC because i was buying high end and at the time intel and nvidia were providing the best hardware. it was that simple. my laptop is an AMD/ATI laptop and it has served me very well. next time im buying a PC, if AMD and ATI are ofering the right hardware for me then id have no problem getting it.

ive gone off sony this gen since there reminding me a bit too much of ninty during the N64 days. just completly lost the plot. on a philosophical level im also very against there inclusion of blu-ray in the PS3. i think it was a dirty trick that compromised the PS3s gaming capability to win an unrelated war. 200 quid disc drive and the console suffers from longer loading times and installs.....thats unacceptable. i have a PS3 but i wont buy anything blu-ray...unless its a game and is exclusive.

as for MS...as far as the 360 goes there doing a good job. there not doing anythign spectacularly daring but there doing good stuff. however thank god the PC doesent rely on them as much as the 360 does. if it did then the PC would be dead..completly. MSs support for the PC this gen has been nothing short of insulting. nintendo have done more positive things for the PC this gen than MS. sony develop more games for the PC than MS does. at this stage it is a running joke. what have they done to entice ppl over to vista with DX10 exclusive games that show it off? nothing...infact developer are better off sticking to DX9 as thats as far as the consoles will go. what have they done for PC exclusives? zilch. MS PC game developers....none. PC games advertising....nada (they have a new windows campaign and there very careful to minimise the gaming aspect). so yea...i like there consoles....but lets jsut say im testing the validity of linux as a gaming OS to replace windows using wine. so far..still needs alot of work. deus ex works nicely on it though :D.

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#20 DivergeUnify
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I used to be a Nintendo fanboy, then a 360 fanboy, now nothing :P
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Everyone is loyal to something for a reason, whatever the situation. It's not like these people handpick companies and say, "Yeah, I'll just go with this one because I feel like it." They probably had a good history to them, but when they fail, they don't want to give up on them so they make up weird claims as to why they did something. It's like when a kid starts doing drugs. The parents still love him just as much, and they hope something tremendous will happen to bring them back to the glory days. Also, your last sentence was weird with the "bed" comment. I hope you don't just jump in bed with whoever offers the best "hardware."
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#22 akif22
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this site is proof that brand loyalty is still strong i don't know how much of an effect it has on total sales and the outcome of the 'console war' though casuals tend to just go for the cheapest / most popular console
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[QUOTE="PS_John"]Still happens a lot I laugh at the people who are loyal to a particular brandBlackbond

Looks at your avatar.....

Looks at your sig.....

Recalls strongly negitive comments towards the Wii and its so called fanbase.....

Strong demonstration of contradicting logic you have there eh?

I'm not loyal to sony though, so I don't see what you're getting at?
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i think Brand loyalty is a big thing and its one of the reasons that makes a platform successful at launch or not, but its not in very common most gamers will buy the best bang to their buck, but their is still a lot of fans still loyal to their platforms

but a little sence is required , for instance i've bought a 360 even though am a PS fan, cuz i didnt find anything interisting at sony's games list

plus my loyalty is still on SEGA i know they suck right now, i know they dont make consoles anymore, but they did listen to their fans back in the day which is what matters the most.

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#26 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="PS_John"]Still happens a lot I laugh at the people who are loyal to a particular brandPS_John

Looks at your avatar.....

Looks at your sig.....

Recalls strongly negitive comments towards the Wii and its so called fanbase.....

Strong demonstration of contradicting logic you have there eh?

I'm not loyal to sony though, so I don't see what you're getting at?

That was some seriously thick sarcasm right there on that one. Come on man there is no need for you to do that. We all know and you've all shown us.

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#27 ps3_owns_360Wii
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it will be exciting when the 720 and the PS4 is released
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#28 craftieman05
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It still exist and had a little influence it the console I purchased. The main deciding factor was the games that were coming out later for the ps3. Since it was sony product, I felt comfortable getting it becuase they have been a pretty big name in games and well with the ps1 an 2. So I guess what I mean is the name brand recognition had a little bit to do with it too. That was definately the case with the nes, snes, and N64. Hell, everything back then seemed to be nintendo. When we got a ps2, my parents still called it a nintendo
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Brand loyalty is still strong. you haven't came across a fanboy in this godless fourm?
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#30 ToomuchTactics
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not all PS3 owners are sony fanboys...
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#31 Dreams-Visions
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Brand-loyalty matters. But pricing and games matter most of all. Ask Nintendo when they surrendered their market share (N64). Ask Sony now.
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#32 saruman354
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For me brand loyalty is all a matter of nostalgia. I'll always be a fan of Nintnedo, no matter what. But I don't limit myself to one company; I just got a PS3 a couple weeks ago, so now I have all three major consoles.
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#33 glez13
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I own a PC. I go with the cheapest thing available when i buy parts, as long as its the best i dont care for the brand.
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this site is proof that brand loyalty is still strong i don't know how much of an effect it has on total sales and the outcome of the 'console war' though casuals tend to just go for the cheapest / most popular consoleakif22
There's barely any fanboys in System Wars. I don't know what you are talking about. And no, I'm really not being sarcastic. I'm just sick of people labeling other people as fanboys because they dislike a console that they don't own. Maybe they don't own it because they hate it? No, it has to be the other way around. There's far more elitists on System Wars than there are fanboys. Name some fanboys.
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[QUOTE="akif22"]this site is proof that brand loyalty is still strong i don't know how much of an effect it has on total sales and the outcome of the 'console war' though casuals tend to just go for the cheapest / most popular consoleDeathScape666
There's barely any fanboys in System Wars. I don't know what you are talking about. And no, I'm really not being sarcastic. I'm just sick of people labeling other people as fanboys because they dislike a console that they don't own. Maybe they don't own it because they hate it? No, it has to be the other way around. There's far more elitists on System Wars than there are fanboys. Name some fanboys.

Is this a legit question or heavy sarcasm. Because to say that there are barely any fanboys in SW is like saying there is barely any water in the ocean.

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[QUOTE="DeathScape666"][QUOTE="akif22"]this site is proof that brand loyalty is still strong i don't know how much of an effect it has on total sales and the outcome of the 'console war' though casuals tend to just go for the cheapest / most popular consoleBlackbond

There's barely any fanboys in System Wars. I don't know what you are talking about. And no, I'm really not being sarcastic. I'm just sick of people labeling other people as fanboys because they dislike a console that they don't own. Maybe they don't own it because they hate it? No, it has to be the other way around. There's far more elitists on System Wars than there are fanboys. Name some fanboys.

Is this a legit question or heavy sarcasm. Because to say that there are barely any fanboys in SW is like saying there is barely any water in the ocean.

No, it isn't sarcasm. I think everyone on here is too quick to call a person of fanboy. Or maybe I just have the definition wrong or something? A fanboy is a person that loves everything Company A does only/partly because it is only them doing something. They will call a game they would absolutely detest under normaly circumstances awesome only because Company A made it. They hate every company that isn't Company A. Person A loves his Wii, and thinks Nintendo did a great job making the games for the platform. He sees faults in it, but still views it as quality. On the other hand, he hates the 360 for a number of reasons. None of the games interest him, and he doesn't allow faulty hardware in his home. He has REASONS to hate the 360. Isn't that justified? Person A would not be considered a fanboy to me. So yes, I'm serious. People need to stop labeling people as fanboys just because someone in X thread says, "Yeah, I thought Gears of War 2, Fable 2, and Halo 3 were awful." That doesn't automatically make them a fanboy. It's not their fault they don't enjoy it. I hate those games. Am I to be labelled as something that is considered to be negative because I can't help but feel dis-satisfaction when playing them?
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It exists look at all the people who bought PS3s
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The only brand loyalty I have is for Thinkpad laptops :)AdrianWerner
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#39 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="DeathScape666"] There's barely any fanboys in System Wars. I don't know what you are talking about. And no, I'm really not being sarcastic. I'm just sick of people labeling other people as fanboys because they dislike a console that they don't own. Maybe they don't own it because they hate it? No, it has to be the other way around. There's far more elitists on System Wars than there are fanboys. Name some fanboys.DeathScape666

Is this a legit question or heavy sarcasm. Because to say that there are barely any fanboys in SW is like saying there is barely any water in the ocean.

No, it isn't sarcasm. I think everyone on here is too quick to call a person of fanboy. Or maybe I just have the definition wrong or something? A fanboy is a person that loves everything Company A does only/partly because it is only them doing something. They will call a game they would absolutely detest under normaly circumstances awesome only because Company A made it. They hate every company that isn't Company A. Person A loves his Wii, and thinks Nintendo did a great job making the games for the platform. He sees faults in it, but still views it as quality. On the other hand, he hates the 360 for a number of reasons. None of the games interest him, and he doesn't allow faulty hardware in his home. He has REASONS to hate the 360. Isn't that justified? Person A would not be considered a fanboy to me. So yes, I'm serious. People need to stop labeling people as fanboys just because someone in X thread says, "Yeah, I thought Gears of War 2, Fable 2, and Halo 3 were awful." That doesn't automatically make them a fanboy. It's not their fault they don't enjoy it. I hate those games. Am I to be labelled as something that is considered to be negative because I can't help but feel dis-satisfaction when playing them?

I don't know how to respond to this as your post essenstially clearly states that there is fanbosy here. I mean there are plenty of people here that act on emotion over factual logic and can see no wrong in their favorite as they hate or detest anything the others do.

This place crawls man.

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#40 deactivated-5f4694ac412a8
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

This place crawls man.

I definitely see it, but I see more non-fanboys here labeling others as fanboys. C'mon... Even the major posters here don't act fanboy-ish. Maybe you just see people in different light than I do, but I think this place "crawling" with fanboys is somewhat of an exaggeration.
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#41 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

This place crawls man.

DeathScape666

I definitely see it, but I see more non-fanboys here labeling others as fanboys. C'mon... Even the major posters here don't act fanboy-ish. Maybe you just see people in different light than I do, but I think this place "crawling" with fanboys is somewhat of an exaggeration.

Believe me man. Its no exaggeration. From the hate mail, to the hate pms, to the racism, to the name calling, to the people I like around here, the logical, the interesting, the funny, and everything in betweeen I've seen all parts of the spectrum here.

System Wars was built as a measure to contain the evil.

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#42 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="DeathScape666"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

This place crawls man.

I definitely see it, but I see more non-fanboys here labeling others as fanboys. C'mon... Even the major posters here don't act fanboy-ish. Maybe you just see people in different light than I do, but I think this place "crawling" with fanboys is somewhat of an exaggeration.

I can't agree with you, good sir. trust us, the fanboys are what make this forum go.
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#43 Afro_Samurai1
Member since 2008 • 522 Posts

It does exist and it matters.

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#44 The_Game21x
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I think that the fact that the PlayStation 3 is in third place right now in light of the sheer domination that the Playstation 2 imparted last generation and the fact that Nintendo has gone from third place to first this generation is proof that brand loyalty is not the game changer people think it is.

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#45 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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This whole fanboy concept is pretty stupid. It should be someone who blindly follows a company, not someone who dislikes a specific console for whatever reason. :?

But then again, only the games on the console matter. ;)

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#46 Blackbond
Member since 2005 • 24516 Posts

This whole fanboy concept is pretty stupid. It should be someone who blindly follows a company, not someone who dislikes a specific console for whatever reason. :?

But then again, only the games on the console matter. ;)

Aljosa23

There are those who dislike blindly to the point where they dislike on one what they enjoy on another. Their dislike is only fueled by hatred of a brand.

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#47 one_on_one
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I'm loyal to the games.

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#48 EmperorSupreme
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I'm brand loyal to a point, I bought a Wii because I like the Nintendo franchise games and I bought a PS3 for the playstation franchise games along with the quality and style that Sony is known for. I also 100% agree with the poster with the Thinkpads, great notebooks. Another quality product.
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#49 joopyme
Member since 2008 • 2598 Posts

Yes, i used to be loyal to Strabucks.

But then i found out that they brew espresso 7-10 seconds per shot, leading to an underextracted espresso, leading to unaware customers thinking they're cool for drinking at Starbucks.

Independent coffee shops ALL THE WAY!

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#50 Swift_Boss_A
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Oh yeah it still exists but people are more secretive about it. At the back of their mind most gamers know which brand they are loyal to but wont admit to it. As for me, yeah I prefer the Playstation brand :P As long as Sony continues making systems I shall continue buying them. When its all said and done I will still be enjoying my games like Im doing with my PS3 :D