Does Power determines Pricing? Will you spend $600+ on PS4/720?

I'm asking you now: Do you think Nintendo will come out with an online service for the Wii U thats superior to XBL?

Now I said it wouldn't. And I'm basing that on facts such as Microsoft having much more experience in this area, Microsoft having been working on XBL since 2002 and the fact that Nintendo still doesn't seem to take online seriously. (A lot of their upcoming games have NO online)

Now you come in here saying I'm talking out my ass, thats an assertion you've made, so you fuking prove it. Go on, educate me on Nintendos sure-to-be-brilliant online service :lol:

RR360DD

You asked me to prove you wrong, yet you failed to prove your original assertion, so I have nothing to debate...

Go to post-secondary at a university level and please get schooled at even the most basic debate level :lol:

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Sorry bro, I'm not talking value here. Try again.

RR360DD

Listen bro, I never brought up XBL or Wii online in this topic. Lundy did, he quoted me from ANOTHER topic that was NOTHING to do with spending. So either keep up or shut the fuk up.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

I'm asking you now: Do you think Nintendo will come out with an online service for the Wii U thats superior to XBL?

Now I said it wouldn't. And I'm basing that on facts such as Microsoft having much more experience in this area, Microsoft having been working on XBL since 2002 and the fact that Nintendo still doesn't seem to take online seriously. (A lot of their upcoming games have NO online)

Now you come in here saying I'm talking out my ass, thats an assertion you've made, so you fuking prove it. Go on, educate me on Nintendos sure-to-be-brilliant online service :lol:

lundy86_4

You asked me to prove you wrong, yet you failed to prove your original assertion, so I have nothing to debate...

Go to post-secondary at a university level and please get schooled at even the most basic debate level :lol:

Let me make this more clear, you're obviously struggling. I said that the WiiUs online would not be superior to XBL, which you felt the need to post in this topic insinuating I'm talking out my ass.

Ive gave you reasons on why XBL will remain superior and yet you still fail to counter it. So if you have no counter argument, then just admit it.

But yeah, keep going on about my education, something you know NOTHING about. Gosh, all these assertions from you. Totally NOT hyporitical.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] Except the topic is about SPENDING, which indicate value, genius. How much in minimum do you think a person have to pay for a launch xbox360 up until now. Oh wait... you can't think.rjdofu

Listen bro, I never brought up XBL or Wii online in this topic. Lundy did, he quoted me from ANOTHER topic that was NOTHING to do with spending. So either keep up or shut the fuk up.

:lol: Clearly you can't read.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Listen bro, I never brought up XBL or Wii online in this topic. Lundy did, he quoted me from ANOTHER topic that was NOTHING to do with spending. So either keep up or shut the fuk up.

RR360DD

:lol: Clearly you can't read.

Let me make this more clear, you're obviously struggling. I said that the WiiUs online would not be superior to XBL, which you felt the need to post in this topic insinuating I'm talking out my ass.

Ive gave you reasons on why XBL will remain superior and yet you still fail to counter it. So if you have no counter argument, then just admit it.

But yeah, keep going on about my education, something you know NOTHING about. Gosh, all these assertions from you. Totally NOT hyporitical.

RR360DD

You rebutteed DarkLink's point, where he said:

We have no idea how well the online system will work yet. A little early to be calling it inferior.

DarkLink77

Sorry bro, you're delusional if you think Nintendo are gonna come straight out with a service superior to XBL, something Microsoft has been working on since 2002.

RR360DD

To which I stated you had no evidence, and you asked me to prove you wrong. Now, as this is your assertion within a debate, you must provide evidence with regards to your points. Otherwise they have exactly zero merit (as per any debate practice, ever).

This was my point to you with regards to talking out of your ass.

BTW, feel free to provide the "reasons", which you have avoided doing thus far. It was all that was asked for :?

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I never claimed to know nothing about your education, nor did I state you had none. I asked the question about whether you had a post-secondary education, to which you did not reply. Any basic university course has seminars (for the most part) which are designed to perfect your debating skills. They are essentially classes in which you solely debate.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] Oh, so paying for xbl isn't spending now? :lol: what a funny dude.rjdofu

:lol: Clearly you can't read.

Yes, that is the thread title, to which I responded asking where he gets this $600 figure from. His ass seems quite likely.

So explain to me what spending over the course of a generation has to do with launch price? Oh right, nothing.

I could have spent hundreds on the Wii this gen and barely anything on the 360. Doesn't change anything.

I think the days of the beyond $400 console are behind us, assuming Sony learned their lesson this gen.

So what's important I think?

- $400 or less at launch, with $300 being the optimum target.

- Profitability in selling the console

- Deliver technology that is certainly an improvement upon the past, but isn't so bleeding edge it means bleeding money.

I think the days of the beyond $400 console are behind us, assuming Sony learned their lesson this gen.

So what's important I think?

- $350 or less at launch, with $250 being the optimum target.

- Profitability in selling the console

- Deliver technology that is certainly an improvement upon the past, but isn't so bleeding edge it means bleeding money.

PC_Otter

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

You rebutteed DarkLink's point, where he said:

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]We have no idea how well the online system will work yet. A little early to be calling it inferior.

lundy86_4

Sorry bro, you're delusional if you think Nintendo are gonna come straight out with a service superior to XBL, something Microsoft has been working on since 2002.

RR360DD

To which I stated you had no evidence, and you asked me to prove you wrong. Now, as this is your assertion within a debate, you must provide evidence with regards to your points. Otherwise they have exactly zero merit (as per any debate practice, ever).

This was my point to you with regards to talking out of your ass.

BTW, feel free to provide the "reasons", which you have avoided doing thus far. It was all that was asked for :?

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I never claimed to know nothing about your education, nor did I state you had none. I asked the question about whether you had a post-secondary education, to which you did not reply. Any basic university course has seminars (for the most part) which are designed to perfect your debating skills. They are essentially classes in which you solely debate.

Like I said in an earlier post, I'm basing that on numerous facts which include:

• Microsoft have much more experience than Nintendo in this field.
• They have been working on and improving XBL since 2002.
• They have built the 360 to revolve around the online experience. Its hugely important to them.
• Nintendo still doesn't seem to be taking online seriously, for example NSMBU, Nintendoland and Pikmin 3 have NO online.

Now those facts most definitely back up my point.

ps, I study at a specialist art university.

I think the days of the beyond $400 console are behind us, assuming Sony learned their lesson this gen.

So what's important I think?

- $400 or less at launch, with $300 being the optimum target.

- Profitability in selling the console

- Deliver technology that is certainly an improvement upon the past, but isn't so bleeding edge it means bleeding money.

PC_Otter

Microsoft successfully sold a console that can cost upwards of 700+ dollars.

-400 for the 360

-60 dollars a year for 8 years (I say 8 years because thats the estimated life of the console)

-HDD (Not sure how much it costs)

-Wifi adaptor (Not sure how much it costs)

-Controller charger

Keep in mind alot of people bought a Kinect as well.

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"]

I think the days of the beyond $400 console are behind us, assuming Sony learned their lesson this gen.

So what's important I think?

- $350 or less at launch, with $250 being the optimum target.

- Profitability in selling the console

- Deliver technology that is certainly an improvement upon the past, but isn't so bleeding edge it means bleeding money.

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

:lol: Clearly you can't read.

RR360DD

Yes, that is the thread title, to which I responded asking where he gets this $600 figure from. His ass seems quite likely.

So explain to me what spending over the course of a generation has to do with launch price? Oh right, nothing.

I could have spent hundreds on the Wii this gen and barely anything on the 360. Doesn't change anything.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

:lol: Clearly you can't read.

RR360DD

Yes, that is the thread title, to which I responded asking where he gets this $600 figure from. His ass seems quite likely.

So explain to me what spending over the course of a generation has to do with launch price? Oh right, nothing.

I could have spent hundreds on the Wii this gen and barely anything on the 360. Doesn't change anything.

Rather update my PC than dish out over half a grand for a new piece of hardware with probably $70 games.
Would probably be less expensive too.

Shirokishi_

Like I said in an earlier post, I'm basing that on numerous facts which include:

• Microsoft have much more experience than Nintendo in this field.
• They have been working on and improving XBL since 2002.
• They have built the 360 to revolve around the online experience. Its hugely important to them.
• Nintendo still doesn't seem to be taking online seriously, for example NSMBU, Nintendoland and Pikmin 3 have NO online.

Now those facts most definitely back up my point.

ps, I study at a specialist art university.

RR360DD

Good God, that is not evidence anywhere, ever.

"specialist art university" This tells me why you lack any debating knowledge. Which is fair. I've educated you somewhat.

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"]

I think the days of the beyond $400 console are behind us, assuming Sony learned their lesson this gen.

So what's important I think?

- $400 or less at launch, with $300 being the optimum target.

- Profitability in selling the console

- Deliver technology that is certainly an improvement upon the past, but isn't so bleeding edge it means bleeding money.

crimsonman1245

Microsoft successfully sold a console that can cost upwards of 700+ dollars.

-400 for the 360

-60 dollars a year for 8 years (I say 8 years because thats the estimated life of the console)

-HDD (Not sure how much it costs)

-Wifi adaptor (Not sure how much it costs)

-Controller charger

Keep in mind alot of people bought a Kinect as well.

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"]

I think the days of the beyond $400 console are behind us, assuming Sony learned their lesson this gen.

So what's important I think?

- $350 or less at launch, with $250 being the optimum target.

- Profitability in selling the console

- Deliver technology that is certainly an improvement upon the past, but isn't so bleeding edge it means bleeding money.

PC_Otter

I would never spend more then $400 for a console.

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"]

I think the days of the beyond $400 console are behind us, assuming Sony learned their lesson this gen.

So what's important I think?

- $400 or less at launch, with $300 being the optimum target.

- Profitability in selling the console

- Deliver technology that is certainly an improvement upon the past, but isn't so bleeding edge it means bleeding money.

PC_Otter

Microsoft successfully sold a console that can cost upwards of 700+ dollars.

-400 for the 360

-60 dollars a year for 8 years (I say 8 years because thats the estimated life of the console)

-HDD (Not sure how much it costs)

-Wifi adaptor (Not sure how much it costs)

-Controller charger

Keep in mind alot of people bought a Kinect as well.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Like I said in an earlier post, I'm basing that on numerous facts which include:

• Microsoft have much more experience than Nintendo in this field.
• They have been working on and improving XBL since 2002.
• They have built the 360 to revolve around the online experience. Its hugely important to them.
• Nintendo still doesn't seem to be taking online seriously, for example NSMBU, Nintendoland and Pikmin 3 have NO online.

Now those facts most definitely back up my point.

ps, I study at a specialist art university.

lundy86_4

Good God, that is not evidence anywhere, ever.

"specialist art university" This tells me why you lack any debating knowledge. Which is fair. I've educated you somewhat.

:lol: Seriously what is wrong with you.

So Microsoft having more experience, time and placing more importance in online has no bearing on it will fair against the WiiUs effort? Please. This pathetic attempt to mask the fact you have NO reason to believe the Wii Us online will be better is getting old now.

But yeah, why don't you keep attacking my "debating knowledge". Makes a nice diversion.

Like I said in an earlier post, I'm basing that on numerous facts which include:

• Microsoft have much more experience than Nintendo in this field.
• They have been working on and improving XBL since 2002.
• They have built the 360 to revolve around the online experience. Its hugely important to them.
• Nintendo still doesn't seem to be taking online seriously, for example NSMBU, Nintendoland and Pikmin 3 have NO online.

Now those facts most definitely back up my point.

ps, I study at a specialist art university.

RR360DD

:lol: Seriously what is wrong with you.

So Microsoft having more experience, time and placing more importance in online has no bearing on it will fair against the WiiUs effort? Please. This pathetic attempt to mask the fact you have NO reason to believe the Wii Us online will be better is getting old now.

But yeah, why don't you keep attacking my "debating knowledge". Makes a nice diversion.

RR360DD

Absolutely nothing :?

Learn the definition of "evidence" or "proof" and come back. Your points do not prove anything. Based upon them, you have assumed an outcome, but even then it is only an assumption.

I don't need a reason to believe it will be better, as undermining your argument is all i'll ever need. After all, nobody has stated the Wii-U online will be better... Feel free to quote somebody who has...

No diversion... Your lack of knowledge is integral to the argument.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] Look, the original statement for this thread is "Will you SPEND $600+ on PS4/720". And you jump in and rage about the launch price and how TC misjudge your precious xbox360. The F is that lol? Now I ask you, how much have a person SPENT on his launch xbox360 up until now just to get everything work normally?rjdofu

Yes, that is the thread title, to which I responded asking where he gets this $600 figure from. His ass seems quite likely.

So explain to me what spending over the course of a generation has to do with launch price? Oh right, nothing.

I could have spent hundreds on the Wii this gen and barely anything on the 360. Doesn't change anything.

Because thats clearly what the thread is about. He mentions hardware specs, and then asks how much we are willing to spend, indicating he means on the console itself. If he didn't, then hardware specs wouldn't come into the equation at all.

And thats if you want online. Too many if's and buts to suit your argument dude.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Like I said in an earlier post, I'm basing that on numerous facts which include:

• Microsoft have much more experience than Nintendo in this field.
• They have been working on and improving XBL since 2002.
• They have built the 360 to revolve around the online experience. Its hugely important to them.
• Nintendo still doesn't seem to be taking online seriously, for example NSMBU, Nintendoland and Pikmin 3 have NO online.

Now those facts most definitely back up my point.

ps, I study at a specialist art university.

Jonwh18

Based on what exactly.

Iwata admitted that Nintendos online network is way behind PSN and XBL.

[QUOTE="PC_Otter"]

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Microsoft successfully sold a console that can cost upwards of 700+ dollars.

-400 for the 360

-60 dollars a year for 8 years (I say 8 years because thats the estimated life of the console)

-HDD (Not sure how much it costs)

-Wifi adaptor (Not sure how much it costs)

-Controller charger

Keep in mind alot of people bought a Kinect as well.

rjdofu

Iwata admitted that Nintendos online network is way behind PSN and XBL.

crimsonman1245

Wii or Wii-U network?

This is why specifics are important. Assumptions are certainly not enough.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

:lol: Seriously what is wrong with you.

So Microsoft having more experience, time and placing more importance in online has no bearing on it will fair against the WiiUs effort? Please. This pathetic attempt to mask the fact you have NO reason to believe the Wii Us online will be better is getting old now.

But yeah, why don't you keep attacking my "debating knowledge". Makes a nice diversion.

lundy86_4

Absolutely nothing :?

Learn the definition of "evidence" or "proof" and come back. Your points do not prove anything. Based upon them, you have assumed an outcome, but even then it is only an assumption.

I don't need a reason to believe it will be better, as undermining your argument is all i'll ever need. After all, nobody has stated the Wii-U online will be better... Feel free to quote somebody who has...

No diversion... Your lack of knowledge is integral to the argument.

My points are fact, and based upon that fact, I have made the claim that the Wii U's online will not be better.

You simply don't have a reason to believe the Wii U will have better online.

As close as I could find, in order to help my opposing party's argument. Link.

Iwata believes that attempting to catch up is not a smart move, and that developing their own servive, based around "Miiverse" is their best option. Unfortunately, this does not prove one way or the other, and it's the best I could find.

BTW, neutral party with regards to topic, that's me. Not with regards to proving your God damn assertions.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

:lol: Seriously what is wrong with you.

So Microsoft having more experience, time and placing more importance in online has no bearing on it will fair against the WiiUs effort? Please. This pathetic attempt to mask the fact you have NO reason to believe the Wii Us online will be better is getting old now.

But yeah, why don't you keep attacking my "debating knowledge". Makes a nice diversion.

RR360DD

Absolutely nothing :?

Learn the definition of "evidence" or "proof" and come back. Your points do not prove anything. Based upon them, you have assumed an outcome, but even then it is only an assumption.

I don't need a reason to believe it will be better, as undermining your argument is all i'll ever need. After all, nobody has stated the Wii-U online will be better... Feel free to quote somebody who has...

No diversion... Your lack of knowledge is integral to the argument.

My points are fact, and based upon that fact, I have made the claim that the Wii U's online will not be better.

You simply don't have a reason to believe the Wii U will have better online.

My points are fact, and based upon that fact, I have made the claim that the Wii U's online will not be better.

You simply don't have a reason to believe the Wii U will have better online.

RR360DD

Like I said, you assumed an outcome. Basing facts, and then making an assumption based on those facts is not a "fact". Just an FYI. It's an assumption, which needs to be rattified, or proven.

Seriously, it's clear you're not going to come up with any evidence as to the online experience of the Wii-U being inferior. You are assuming.

Seriously, I wouldn't mind if you kinda came close, but you didn't. Debating is not your strong suit, and that's fine. The world needs those in the art field.

Have a good one.

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Iwata admitted that Nintendos online network is way behind PSN and XBL.

lundy86_4

Wii or Wii-U network?

This is why specifics are important. Assumptions are certainly not enough.

Iwata: Xbox Live and PSN are too far developed for Nintendo to catch up.

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Iwata admitted that Nintendos online network is way behind PSN and XBL.

lundy86_4

Wii or Wii-U network?

This is why specifics are important. Assumptions are certainly not enough.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Iwata admitted that Nintendos online network is way behind PSN and XBL.

Gue1

Wii or Wii-U network?

This is why specifics are important. Assumptions are certainly not enough.

Iwata: Xbox Live and PSN are too far developed for Nintendo to catch up.

Found and linked for my opposing party. Thanks.

"I think that what we see in terms of online gaming networks on existing dedicated gaming platforms is not particularly well suited to the approach Nintendo has taken," he said. "Therefore, I can't sit here and say to you that we can very quickly overcome or catch up to other companies, which began to work in the online field from many years ago and have been building these online networks on other platforms, and I don't think that would be a smart strategy, either." Instead of emulating its competitors, Nintendo will be using Miiverse as the foundation to build its online platform on. Although the Nintendo president enthusiastically described the various social applications of the Wii U Miiverse, he did not address aspects such as multiplayer, market transactions and connectivity. "We think that one fun area of possibility, as we have discussed, is for people not just to enjoy the games but also communicate with others about topics relating to the games," he said. "We also believe that the 'Miiverse' will serve the purpose of giving people an opportunity to discover other games that they haven't yet started playing. "In other words, please think that we have built an integrated recommendation engine into the Wii U system's main menu screen."MFDOOM1983

See above, thanks.

Hell no. No one is going to pay that much for a home gaming console, especially out here in this bad economy. There are bills, rent, etc. to pay.

Heck, you might as well build youself a gaming PC for that much, & you can far surpass whatever PS4/720 has.

nope if they even say 600 ill wait til the price drops ,

i got a wii u on preorder , that will keep me busy so will my vita and my 3ds , thank you very much have a nice day - i don't buy consoles for their power , remember pcs always dethrown consoles in that department

for that alone i look at the line ups , and the price those are the most important factors in buying hardware , and reliability is now added -thanks to ---microsoft

nope if they even say 600 ill wait til the price drops ,

i got a wii u on preorder , that will keep me busy so will my vita and my 3ds , thank you very much have a nice day - i don't buy consoles for their power , remember pcs always dethrown consoles in that department

for that alone i look at the line ups , and the price those are the most important factors in buying hardware , and reliability is now added -thanks to ---microsoft

mariokart64fan

lolno. I think even $350 is a little steep.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Iwata admitted that Nintendos online network is way behind PSN and XBL.

Gue1

Wii or Wii-U network?

This is why specifics are important. Assumptions are certainly not enough.

Iwata: Xbox Live and PSN are too far developed for Nintendo to catch up.