does the PC even have a weakness?

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]Google had a sidebar which is better than Vista's one for a while now and, unlike the Vista Sidebar, it doesn't hog system resources. The same goes for the filesearch. It uses up tonnes of resources to maintain the file index.

And This whole "care free" frame of mind is all well and good, but without demand and negative feedback from consumers, comapanies like MS wouldn't ever feel the need to improve. The fact is, these imrpvoements should have been made before the release of the OS, but with consumers who are care free and happy to take anything MS throws out, they will never buck up and take responsability and initiative.

daytona_178

Come on man, quit with the BS. Vista Sidebar doesn't take a lot of resources. In fact the amount it takes is insignificant. The only time it would be a problem is if you are running a machine that has 512mb of ram or below. Then that would mean that you shouldn't be running in the first place. Reading your complaints with Vista seems to be coming from the perspective of a man who has a machine that runs Win98 and expects it to run Vista just as efficient.

Too many people seems to be on the **** Microsoft band wagon now days without any rock solid reason. These impressionable kids now day, sheesh.

anyway iam off now to play TF2,,,keep up the good work Ramadear! :D

Rofl, kids? :P

I belive I am of a respectable age to complain without being considered to be a victim of this problem known as "age rage" (though I have been known to complain about kids running around on my lawn.......). I loved Windows originally, I remember back in the day, I just ran my computer on DOS because it just was not powerful enough to run anything else. Then I got windows 3.1 and suddenly I realised that having a mouse wasn't some kind of way to make women able to use computers and it was actually a viable means of controlling a computer.

To asnwer the question, no, I have s reasonably powerful machine actually. 2.4ghz Dual core processor, 2GB RAM, 8600GT 512 graphics card, 300GB sata hard drive, the basic needs, but when you combine the cpu usage of Sidebar, Aero and all the fancy glossy graphics in one, it adds up to a fair amount of power wastage.

installs, and expensive to upgrade.

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]I am considering investing into a PC and Im struggling to find anything wrong with the system. Not flaming but aside from the lack of JRPGs and platformers I was wondering if the PC has any other flaws, I can find enough on the current gen consoles anyway...ocdog45

Installs are a benefit, not a weakness, it provides faster load times, playable without discs and most importantly ... MODS.

PC gaming can require a lot of hassle and some people don't like that. I love it though. It's also the most expensive platform.RK-Mara

[QUOTE="ocdog45"]

installs, and expensive to upgrade.

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]I am considering investing into a PC and Im struggling to find anything wrong with the system. Not flaming but aside from the lack of JRPGs and platformers I was wondering if the PC has any other flaws, I can find enough on the current gen consoles anyway...Meu2k7

Installs are a benefit, not a weakness, it provides faster load times, playable without discs and most importantly ... MODS.

Also upgrading isnt really the expensive part (unless your a tech whore who must have the most powerfull rig available) starting out is the expensive part. Once you have the monitor, KB/M speakers/headset etc all you have to worry about is CPU and graphics card (CPU to a lesser extent unless you went cheap at the begining). Picking up a high end card and having it last 4-5 years or picking up med-low end cards more often isnt really too much of a burden.

Price is about it

and it lacks platformers and fightning games (theres some cool indie stuff tho)

One thing: Price.

All the cheap rigs people been passing around nowadays are not GAMING PC's. For the full expierience, you're looking around $1300-4000

Dynafrom

You could make a nice gaming PC for about $1100 or so, including a monitor. E6750, 8800GT, 19" widescreen monitor, Win XP etc. I have one built on newegg right now actually for around that price.

Rofl, kids? :P

I belive I am of a respectable age to complain without being considered to be a victim of this problem known as "age rage" (though I have been known to complain about kids running around on my lawn.......). I loved Windows originally, I remember back in the day, I just ran my computer on DOS because it just was not powerful enough to run anything else. Then I got windows 3.1 and suddenly I realised that having a mouse wasn't some kind of way to make women able to use computers and it was actually a viable means of controlling a computer.

To asnwer the question, no, I have s reasonably powerful machine actually. 2.4ghz Dual core processor, 2GB RAM, 8600GT 512 graphics card, 300GB sata hard drive, the basic needs, but when you combine the cpu usage of Sidebar, Aero and all the fancy glossy graphics in one, it adds up to a fair amount of power wastage.

donwoogie

The sidebar doesn't take much cpu power, my taskbar reads that it takes 0% power and 25mb of ram. As for Aero and the glossy stuff, that takes gpu power not cpu. Thats why you are required to have a DX9 graphics card to enable Aero. So you are basically getting a free pretty interface. So no it doesn't take a fair amount of power. I monitor my cpu and memory usage with my G15. And its not intensive, and around about the same as XP. So yes, I would say you are over-exaggerating.

I am considering investing into a PC and Im struggling to find anything wrong with the system. Not flaming but aside from the lack of JRPGs and platformers I was wondering if the PC has any other flaws, I can find enough on the current gen consoles anyway...flowdee79

Kryptonite is deadly to it... But Shhhhh dont tell anyone, its a secret

You need to know how to use a computer. So for those people who were not born into the 'computer age' and are unwilling to learn how to use a computer, you get owned. However, for the average person, cost may be an issue, but since most people need computers to function in their everyday life, the marginal cost can be similiar if not less.

It has the

- nothing really exiting to play yet for me

and

- gets 360 left overs years after

- 360 gets all its best games and costs far less

weaknesses

saolin323

this is about the pc's weaknesses not about what you think.

I am considering investing into a PC and Im struggling to find anything wrong with the system. Not flaming but aside from the lack of JRPGs and platformers I was wondering if the PC has any other flaws, I can find enough on the current gen consoles anyway...flowdee79

lol are you kidding? I can find more on the pc then any of the others combined.

[QUOTE="flowdee79"]I am considering investing into a PC and Im struggling to find anything wrong with the system. Not flaming but aside from the lack of JRPGs and platformers I was wondering if the PC has any other flaws, I can find enough on the current gen consoles anyway...Polaris_choice

lol are you kidding? I can find more on the pc then any of the others combined.

What a suprize :roll:

JRPGs, Fighters, Platformers, everything else is fine.

Meu2k7

Weakness #2

If you become a PC fanboy you may become even more of an arrogant *$%& than a console fanboy. Well its possible...

Cbok

[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Fighting and Action games are under represented, and the controls aren't that great. Meu2k7

Thats defintly not true, KB/Mouse is amazing for alot of genres, even then your arguement is weak becaus the PC can use every single constrol scheme on the market.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Fighting and Action games are under represented, and the controls aren't that great. l-_-l

Thats defintly not true, KB/Mouse is amazing for alot of genres, even then your arguement is weak becaus the PC can use every single constrol scheme on the market.

What? PC has plenty of racing games. Its the fighting genre it misses out on.

The price is the main issue. If you want to play games like Crysis on max settings, you're looking at spending more on your PC than on a 360, PS3, and Wii combined.death919

There is absolutely no reason to force yourself to upgrade your PC to play Crysis on 'Very High' settings, as even the medium and high settings love amazingly cutting edge. Just because Crytek created a game with graphical settings that will shine as hardware gets better should hardly be considered a bad thing.

Production Valued Japanese Games.

EDIT - How the hell is price an issue? It costs around $500 to get a gaming PC with an LCD monitor.

You need to know how to use a computer. So for those people who were not born into the 'computer age' and are unwilling to learn how to use a computer, you get owned. However, for the average person, cost may be an issue, but since most people need computers to function in their everyday life, the marginal cost can be similiar if not less.

rimnet00

Im not great with PCs but the guys over at the PC hardware forum are very helpful :D

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Fighting and Action games are under represented, and the controls aren't that great. Ramadear

Thats defintly not true, KB/Mouse is amazing for alot of genres, even then your arguement is weak becaus the PC can use every single constrol scheme on the market.

What? PC has plenty of racing games. Its the fighting genre it misses out on.

Where can I buy a $500 gaming PC!? :Odeath919

Well it depends on how strong you want it.

If you want a PC that can play all the future current cutting edge games that you don't even know about yet at high-medium settings then it's around $900.

If you want a PC that can run all games as of current in high-medium setting then it's $700.

If you want a PC that can play all the games at medium settings but possibly Crysis then it's $500.

Yeah I'm sorry about my previous post that PC is a refurbished and/or used. (Monitors are like $100-$200)

Overall PC Gaming is cheaper then console gaming. Games go down in price way faster and are in general cheaper, upgrading is very cheap (to get a Crysis (GPU eater) and The Witcher (CPU eater) it's only going to cost me $300 in upgrades. Not to mention you get tons of free video games as well as cheap indie games.

The only thing stopping me from not abandoning consoles are these games:

AKA Production Valued Japanese Games

Only one - no gamesgoddamn_

Grats on trolling?

I cannot believe for the life of me that hermits are actually admitting a SINGLE WEAKNESS to the PC. That is the 1st time I've ever seen such a phenomenom...AvIdGaMeR444

It is always there.. but the thing is consolities rag on the wrong things and normally don't have the information or alot of misinformation to backup thier rants.

[QUOTE="death919"]Where can I buy a $500 gaming PC!? :OGunraidan

Well it depends on how strong you want it.

If you want a PC that can play all the future current cutting edge games that you don't even know about yet at high-medium settings then it's around $900.

If you want a PC that can run all games as of current in high-medium setting then it's $700.

If you want a PC that can play all the games at medium settings but possibly Crysis then it's $500.

Yeah I'm sorry about my previous post that PC is a refurbished and/or used.

Woah... WOAH!!! Those are some pretty crazy deals. I seriously had no idea you could get ones that good for that cheap! I'm seriously considering buying that $900 one... maybe, just maybe! :)

it has many. installation issues, compatibility issues, trojans, bugs, patches, out-dated KB & Mouse, viruses, small screen, no analog stick, games come in big cardboard boxes, diallers, expensive, uncomfortable to use, noisy, a pain to move around, only has 3 genres, RPG, FPS & RTS, spilt dried coke on the desk makes mouse movement near in impossible and last but not least, no fighting games. XenoNinja

Ok let see. Install issues.... yes those are there, I have never come across one but they are there.

Compatibility issues... Read the minimum requirements much?

Trojans... Your fault for dling porn

Bugs and Patches... Consoles have these... and they are far worse.

Out-dated KB and mouse... wtf?

Virsues... Again your fault if you get one.

Small screen.. Hook up to your tv much?

3 genres.. lol PC has more games than consoles in all genres except for JRPGs,platformers and fighters.

Spilt coke on my controller now it doesn't even work.

I cannot believe for the life of me that hermits are actually admitting a SINGLE WEAKNESS to the PC. That is the 1st time I've ever seen such a phenomenom...AvIdGaMeR444

Maybe it's the first time we've been asked then.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]I cannot believe for the life of me that hermits are actually admitting a SINGLE WEAKNESS to the PC. That is the 1st time I've ever seen such a phenomenom...RK-Mara

Maybe it's the first time we've been asked then.

Actually no. There was a similar thread about 1 1/2 years ago and no hermit would admit a single shortcoming.

Woah... WOAH!!! Those are some pretty crazy deals. I seriously had no idea you could get ones that good for that cheap! I'm seriously considering buying that $900 one... maybe, just maybe! :)

death919

And they only get cheaper too due to new video cards keep on coming. Wait some weeks when the 9000gt comes out and that $900 PC will drop down to $700.

[QUOTE="RK-Mara"]

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]I cannot believe for the life of me that hermits are actually admitting a SINGLE WEAKNESS to the PC. That is the 1st time I've ever seen such a phenomenom...AvIdGaMeR444

Maybe it's the first time we've been asked then.

Actually no. There was a similar thread about 1 1/2 years ago and no hermit would admit a single shortcoming.

Link or didn't happen :P

[QUOTE="death919"]

Woah... WOAH!!! Those are some pretty crazy deals. I seriously had no idea you could get ones that good for that cheap! I'm seriously considering buying that $900 one... maybe, just maybe! :)

Gunraidan

And they only get cheaper too due to new video cards keep on coming. Wait some weeks when the 9000gt comes out and that $900 PC will drop down to $700.

Yep, its a common misconception that PCs are insanely expensive, you get what you pay for I guess.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"]

What? PC has plenty of racing games. Its the fighting genre it misses out on.

l-_-l

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="dlindenb2000"]Fighting and Action games are under represented, and the controls aren't that great. l-_-l

Thats defintly not true, KB/Mouse is amazing for alot of genres, even then your arguement is weak becaus the PC can use every single constrol scheme on the market.

What? PC has plenty of racing games. Its the fighting genre it misses out on.

Live for Speed, Dirt, Sega Rally Revo, Race 07, Rfactor, Need for Speed franchise, Trackmania franchise and Test Drive Unlimited. Those are some I can name from the top of my head, because I've played them. I'm sure there are more that I missed and I bet people who are in to PC racers could name them. Basically, in terms of racing the PC gets most of the 360 gets but misses out on games like PGR and Forza. But then the 360 misses out on games like Race, Trackmania, Rfactor and Live for Speed.

horrible controls.

keyboards are for typing.

because pc have no hardware standard dev cant really optimise code and that mean you will get minor graphics improvement for alot of hard earn money thats mean you will get the best graphics and frame rate but it come at a price its to you to decide if its worth it !

horrible controls.

keyboards are for typing.

PeterPerson

you can get gamepads for PC

and the KB/M set up is better for FPS because of precision

and you can hotkey on the keyboard for RPGs meaning its more efficient.

- Cost.

- Technological progress and resulting upgrades. Systems can last a few years without upgrades, but this is often a result of modest IQ requirements. Pluss the minimum requirements can become too steep, e.g., must have a SM3.0 card to run a game, therefore often forcing premature upgrades for casual gamers if they would like to play many of the newer games.

- Multiplatform games slowing down technological progress and IQ (if the former section isn't important) by increasingly less capable consoles.

- Lack of consistency in default multiplayer capabilities (yes, I know about Steam and Xfire)

- JRPGs, platforms and fighters.

- Great value PCs often requires knowledge about building, being able to do proper research for parts and defining needs vs. budget. Console is more a "out of box" experience.

- Complexity: drivers, bugs, patches, game settings, etc.

/ Still likes PC gaming.

I am considering investing into a PC and Im struggling to find anything wrong with the system. Not flaming but aside from the lack of JRPGs and platformers I was wondering if the PC has any other flaws, I can find enough on the current gen consoles anyway...flowdee79

The PC is great but it does cost more to buy/assemble one than it does to purchase a console. Additionally, I do find it to be quite perplexing when it comes to having so much choice. There is also the issue with compatability and what not.

well its main weeknesses imho are the price (its not massively expensive unless u want it to be...but a good ring thatll last will set u back more than a console)

its more difficult to use and can be unreliable (and theres no obhious reason as to why). its not just a case of pop in the disc and play away. uve got to install the game. then make sure drivers are up to date and so on and so on. PCs are not idiot proof. there getting better in terms of ease of use but there far from perfect in that regard.

it also lacks in certain genres like JRPGs and fighters (really support from japan overall is very low on PC)....so if ure a big fan of those then the PC is not a great platform for it really.

thats about it really that i can think of.

I don't particulally find PC gaming as much fun as console gaming, it's not that it's a serious mans gaming system - it's not; it just doesn't have the fun factor. Hard to really put your finger on it, but I've played games on the PC for well over 10 years and I still prefer my consoles.

The variety of games is not that big as for consoles. You can play older games but right now there are just too many RTS and FPS games.Supafly1

There is plenty of variety past those 2 genres .... those 2 natural get the most mainstream attention though, similar with consoles .... 1-2 genres stand out.

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

You need to know how to use a computer. So for those people who were not born into the 'computer age' and are unwilling to learn how to use a computer, you get owned. However, for the average person, cost may be an issue, but since most people need computers to function in their everyday life, the marginal cost can be similiar if not less.

flowdee79

Im not great with PCs but the guys over at the PC hardware forum are very helpful :D

Yes, Yes we are! :D

The variety of games is not that big as for consoles. You can play older games but right now there are just too many RTS and FPS games.Supafly1

Lots of RPG's aswell!