does the PC even have a weakness?

[QUOTE="AsiZaNDragon"]The Red Ring of Friend Graphics Cards.imprezawrx500

The Red Ring of Fried Graphics Cards.AsiZaNDragon

:lol: graphics card your friend now? in 4 years I have not had a single gpu fry itself, i think you mixed it you with the fried 360 gpu (rrod) if you have a half decent case and don't overclock you wont fry a gpu

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]hex editor to make sure its not a virus.lowe0

And "reliable sites for nocds"? Get real. They're willing to rip off a game company; why wouldn't they be willing to rip off you?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]hex editor to make sure its not a virus.Vandalvideo

And "reliable sites for nocds"? Get real. They're willing to rip off a game company; why wouldn't they be willing to rip off you?

1. How many people do you know that can read and evaluate x86 machine code from a hex editor, particularly if the code in question is using dynamic code generation? Can you do so yourself, since you proposed the technique?

2. We're not talking about getting a virus, we're talking about running arbitrary code on your system. Running someone else's binary means trusting them with every bit of data on your system. Virus detection isn't going to help you, since those work on hashes of the executable code in question, and antivirus companies aren't going to have hashes available of every single crack out there that might have malicious code in it. In other words, you could be compromised and never know it.

Like I said, it's about as smart as jamming a syringe from a stranger into your neck. If you're okay with that, knock yourself out.

You didn't answer my question, or address my point.1. How many people do you know that can read and evaluate x86 machine code from a hex editor, particularly if the code in question is using dynamic code generation? Can you do so yourself, since you proposed the technique?2. We're not talking about getting a virus, we're talking about running arbitrary code on your system. Running someone else's binary means trusting them with every bit of data on your system. Virus detection isn't going to help you, since those work on hashes of the executable code in question, and antivirus companies aren't going to have hashes available of every single crack out there that might have malicious code in it. In other words, you could be compromised and never know it.Like I said, it's about as smart as jamming a syringe from a stranger into your neck. If you're okay with that, knock yourself outlowe0

So I'm going to take that as "Vandal doesn't know a single person who can read x86 machine code, and his idea was patently ridiculous garbage!lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]So I'm going to take that as "Vandal doesn't know a single person who can read x86 machine code, and his idea was patently ridiculous garbage!Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]So I'm going to take that as "Vandal doesn't know a single person who can read x86 machine code, and his idea was patently ridiculous garbage!lowe0

Hex editors allow for a person to check to see if they're downloading malicious software.Vandalvideo

And if they don't know how to read it, they can just as easily take ot ti a watchgroup that lists all the malicious sites and checks software.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]So I'm going to take that as "Vandal doesn't know a single person who can read x86 machine code, and his idea was patently ridiculous garbage!lowe0

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hex editors allow for a person to check to see if they're downloading malicious software.lowe0

And if they don't know how to read it, they can just as easily take ot ti a watchgroup that lists all the malicious sites and checks software.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Lowe0"]Name one such group that security audits nocds.Vandalvideo

There's no such thing as "honor among thieves". If you're willing to trust these people with a machine containing anything more confidential than a grocery list, you're insane.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Lowe0"]Name one such group that security audits nocds.lowe0

One thing: Price.

All the cheap rigs people been passing around nowadays are not GAMING PC's. For the full expierience, you're looking around $1300-4000

Dynafrom

I spent $1100 with a 22" Display. 8800 GT 512 mb, Quad Core, 3 gb RAM, 500 gb HDD.

LOL Denied.

The initial buy-in is higher, even though they level out in the long run.

PCs weren't designed solely for games, so it takes a lot more hardware to do similar things.

PC game developers have to worry about scaling their games so that they play on an infinite number of hardware/software combinations.

The lack of a few genres has been made apparent.

Oh yeah, and my father's a senior manufacturing engineer and doesn't know how to fix his PC. :lol:

ProjectW isn't a cracking group, as much as they are a group of like minded individuals that atttempt to weed out malicious sites in an attempt to provide for a safe online environment. They do independent work to make sure that sites are safe and good to use.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]ProjectW isn't a cracking group, as much as they are a group of like minded individuals that atttempt to weed out malicious sites in an attempt to provide for a safe online environment. They do independent work to make sure that sites are safe and good to use.lowe0

[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]Of course, the consolites would probably complain about repeatedly getting free metal brain implants within a split-second of being spotted due to the precision a mouse in the hands of a skilled PC gamer can offer...lowe0

I'd rather play on a gimpy gamepad and have a (closer-to-) level playing field instead of being repeatedly headshot by some hypercaffeinated 12-year-old. Maybe I'm just getting old, but my reflexes have gone downhill since the days of Action Quake... I'd rather play something that doesn't rely solely on them. PC games don't even seem to try to cater to this - can anyone name me a single PC FPS that tries to skill-match you? It's almost a required feature in console FPS, but I can't think of a single PC FPS that takes the work of finding a server with people of your skill level off your hands.

The guys who can almost always kill you are few and far between. If you have any sort of experience and a little bit of skill, it isnt hard at all to maintain a better than 1:1 fragrate.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]ProjectW isn't a cracking group, as much as they are a group of like minded individuals that atttempt to weed out malicious sites in an attempt to provide for a safe online environment. They do independent work to make sure that sites are safe and good to use.Vandalvideo

So if you personally know members of such a group, then you can trust them. Weren't you the one trying to lecture me on arguments that pertain only to a single person the other day? How many people personally know someone who audits nocds?lowe0

A vested business interest, personal experience, and endorsements all lead me to believe that they are a viable means to find out if something is secure Vandalvideo

Unless you're capable of auditing their work yourself (which, at this point, I'm convinced that you're not), then you have no idea if you're being had.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]A vested business interest, personal experience, and endorsements all lead me to believe that they are a viable means to find out if something is secure lowe0

Unless you're capable of auditing their work yourself (which, at this point, I'm convinced that you're not), then you have no idea if you're being had.

Downloading drivers?

Viruses?

Patches?

Thats about it...

They ARE NOT a group that directly host or provide software themselves.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They ARE NOT a group that directly host or provide software themselves.lowe0

It's expensive, a hassle to install things, has most hackers in online games, no good fighting games, has worse exlusives than consoles, random errors, only has 3 genres worth playing, mouse and keyboards aren't as comfortable as a controller.

Consoles > PCS

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They ARE NOT a group that directly host or provide software themselves.Vandalvideo

It's expensive, a hassle to install things, has most hackers in online games, no good fighting games, has worse exlusives than consoles, random errors, only has 3 genres worth playing, mouse and keyboards aren't as comfortable as a controller.

Consoles > PCS

dracula_16

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They ARE NOT a group that directly host or provide software themselves.lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They ARE NOT a group that directly host or provide software themselves.Vandalvideo

In a walled-off section of their forum. Yeah, they sound really devoted to being an open and transparent resource for people.lowe0

Downloading drivers?

Viruses?

Patches?

Thats about it...

Jamiemydearx3

Patches? You know consoles have patches too, and how is fixing bugs and making a game better a weakness....

it can be less expensive, installations are becomming more common on consoles and there are definite benefits to installations, hackers have been greatly reduced since the advant of VAC and Punkbuster, there are good fighting games like Melty blood, your opinion about exclusives, random errors [as long as you ahve XP] are highly unlikely, again your opinion that there are only 3 genres worth playing, and the PC can use gamepads.Vandalvideo

Even with those programs, games like CS are littered with cheaters. If I were to boot up a game right now on a public server, there'd probably be at least 2 wall hackers and an aimbot user.

Also, using a gamepad defeats the purpose of using a PC to play games. If I'm going to use a controller, I might as well go play my 360 or Wii which have better exlusives to boot.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]

it can be less expensive, installations are becomming more common on consoles and there are definite benefits to installations, hackers have been greatly reduced since the advant of VAC and Punkbuster, there are good fighting games like Melty blood, your opinion about exclusives, random errors [as long as you ahve XP] are highly unlikely, again your opinion that there are only 3 genres worth playing, and the PC can use gamepads.dracula_16

Even with those programs, games like CS are littered with cheaters. If I were to boot up a game right now on a public server, there'd probably be at least 2 wall hackers and an aimbot user.

Also, using a gamepad defeats the purpose of using a PC to play games. If I'm going to use a controller, I might as well go play my 360 or Wii which have better exlusives to boot.

And "reliable sites for nocds"? Get real. They're willing to rip off a game company; why wouldn't they be willing to rip off you?lowe0

http://www.gamecopyworld.com

Completely legal, completely legit, completely reliable, and fully functional. You appear to be incredibly ignorant. No-cd patches aren't inherently illegal or used for negative purposes. Many people use them to make backups of their games, or to remove the hassle of having to keep the disc in the drive. This is why sites like that can stay up and out in the clear open for so many years.

Since there are perfectly legitimate functions for no-cds, there will be perfectly reliable sites for them.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]And "reliable sites for nocds"? Get real. They're willing to rip off a game company; why wouldn't they be willing to rip off you?Zeliard9

http://www.gamecopyworld.com

Completely legal, completely legit, completely reliable, and fully functional. You appear to be incredibly ignorant. No-cd patches aren't inherently illegal or used for negative purposes. Many people use them to make backups of their games, or to remove the hassle of having to keep the disc in the drive. This is why sites like that can stay up and out in the clear open for so many years.

Since there are perfectly legitimate functions for no-cds, there will be perfectly reliable sites for them.

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"][QUOTE="daytona_178"]

[QUOTE="uRan_Ehr"]Windows is also a big weakness I think. daytona_178

Why?

you know you can turn off that thing that asks you when you try to do anything, it takes literally 1 mintue!

weakness 2- viruses , and spyware

weakness 3 costs thousands to get the hoursepower of a ps3 much less a wii

weak ness 4 in gamestores there isnt that big of a selection of games all i find is sims nfs and a few other boring games

Cost and incompatability sometimes. If you don't know what you're buying then you could drop a lot on something you can't use or won't work due to other components but I've never heard of this happening.Tiefster

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]Cost and incompatability sometimes. If you don't know what you're buying then you could drop a lot on something you can't use or won't work due to other components but I've never heard of this happening.lettuceman44

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]And "reliable sites for nocds"? Get real. They're willing to rip off a game company; why wouldn't they be willing to rip off you?lowe0

http://www.gamecopyworld.com

Completely legal, completely legit, completely reliable, and fully functional. You appear to be incredibly ignorant. No-cd patches aren't inherently illegal or used for negative purposes. Many people use them to make backups of their games, or to remove the hassle of having to keep the disc in the drive. This is why sites like that can stay up and out in the clear open for so many years.

Since there are perfectly legitimate functions for no-cds, there will be perfectly reliable sites for them.

Precaution for what?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]And "reliable sites for nocds"? Get real. They're willing to rip off a game company; why wouldn't they be willing to rip off you?Dynafrom

http://www.gamecopyworld.com

Completely legal, completely legit, completely reliable, and fully functional. You appear to be incredibly ignorant. No-cd patches aren't inherently illegal or used for negative purposes. Many people use them to make backups of their games, or to remove the hassle of having to keep the disc in the drive. This is why sites like that can stay up and out in the clear open for so many years.

Since there are perfectly legitimate functions for no-cds, there will be perfectly reliable sites for them.

Precaution for what?

Without sifting through all of the other comments, one major weakness to me is the lack of NBA, NHL, and MLB games. The inability to rent, trade-in, and bring games over other people's houses is another major downside imo.dru26

[QUOTE="dru26"]Without sifting through all of the other comments, one major weakness to me is the lack of NBA, NHL, and MLB games. The inability to rent, trade-in, and bring games over other people's houses is another major downside imo.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="dru26"]Without sifting through all of the other comments, one major weakness to me is the lack of NBA, NHL, and MLB games. The inability to rent, trade-in, and bring games over other people's houses is another major downside imo.dru26

CD KEY?